The Avengers - Phase Three

Marvel's Cinematic Universe is widely successful and currently in their second phase of films. However, with Captain America: The Winter Solider and Guardians of the Galaxy releasing this year and The Avengers: Age of Ultron next summer, the question becomes, what next? All that is known thus far for certain is that Marvel has a few release dates already set for their next batch of films. The first being Ant-Man which will be released on July 17th 2015, only two months after Age of Ultron. The other release dates that they have set include May 6th, 2016, July 8th, 2016, May 5th, 2017. It is a little strange how they are going back to solely having their films released over the summer seeing how the Phase two films abandoned that idea, having Thor 2 release over November of 2013, and Captain America 2 over April 2014. Still, the question remains, where do they go with these release dates? Do they introduce new characters or stick to the main three that we have seen thus far?

Ant-Man

Edgar Wright's Ant-Man film has been floating around Marvel for quite some time now, and finally it will get to see the light of day. Many believe that it had been held back in large part due to the fact that the character is so smart, so smart to the point that he makes Tony Stark look bad. Joss Whedon believed that if Ant-Man were introduced with Tony already being such a well received character that Ant-Man would then not be liked by audiences. Now, I have a theory that Tony Stark will die at the end of Age of Ultron. Whedon has even said that a major character will die, that would potentially end a franchise as well. Iron Man is the biggest franchise on Marvel's hands but how many more movies does Robert Downey Jr. really want to do. Thus with all of this being said, it just makes sense now as to why we are seeing Ant-Man get his time on the big screen. Marvel did not want Ant-Man and Iron Man on screen together due to how similar they are with how smart they are. Now, do no get me wrong, I do not think they are simply replacing Iron Man with Ant-Man, it would never be that simple. However, if you do look at the comics, this is common place among the Avengers. Characters leave, new ones come in. It is about time we get some fresh faces too.

Paul Rudd is Scott Lang
Paul Rudd is Scott Lang

Not much is known thus far about the film but Paul Rudd is attached to play as Scott Lang, not the man who created the Ant-Man equipment, but Lang in the comics was a thief who eventually stole the equipment to save his daughter. Hank Pym, the creator of the equipment, saw how Lang used the equipment for a good purpose and decided to hand it over to him. Pym is a character in the film and portrayed by Micheal Douglas. This leads me to believe that he did indeed create the Ant-Man suit but grew too old to actually use it and when Lang steals it to save his daughter, he becomes a mentor of sorts to Lang. This would then also get SHIELD's attention, bringing him along as another member of the Avengers. No one has been cast yet as the villain but I'd imagine it would be familiar territory whether it be the continued reign of HYDRA under new control since Red Skull is dead. They could also add in a new face, in the shape of a personal villain for Scott such as the Whirlwind. Whirlwind in the comics was a consistent threat to Ant-Man who eventually after so many defeats joined up with the Masters of Evil to take down the Avengers, which could work for a future Avengers sequel.

Doctor Strange

This seems like the most likely of the other three films seeing how as of late there were a lot of rumors of Johnny Depp taking the role as the Sorcerer Supreme . It makes sense that Marvel would continue to up the ante. They went from science (Iron Man), gods/aliens (Thor), other dimensions (Guardians of the Galaxy), so why not venture into magic now. After all, at the heart of the character, Stephen Strange is very similar to Tony Stark. Strange was a neurosurgeon who was rather cocky thanks to his terrific abilities, but when he damaged his hands in a car crash it taught him a bit of humility while also filling him with guilt as he looked back on his past. This tragedy eventually lead to him learning his new abilities as he quickly became the Sorcerer Supreme. As for a villain they could easily use Dormammu. He is a rather big villain, which they tend to save for later, but considering how basic every villain has been for the most part, I don't think it would hurt if they use one long over-arching villain for a character. Similarly to how Loki has always been a thorn in Thor's side.

Captain America 3

Captain America is the most relatable character of all of these huge characters but he is also still a very intriguing character that has plenty of engaging stories that they could tell on the big screen. It also seems likely that they would go ahead with a third film seeing how the early screenings of Winter Solider have all been incredibly positive. Thus, Marvel has already resigned directors Joe and Anthony Russo to write and direct Captain America 3. It is tough to say where and what they could do with a third Captain America film currently, but I would imagine it would introduce a new villain. I have a theory that in Winter Solider that Robert Redford's character is some sort of villain and not just some new higher up within SHIELD. Maybe in fact he is now running HYDRA, or maybe long time villain of Captain America, Baron Zemo in disguish. The theories thus far are all over the place as we do not know what could and will come out between then and now. However, I do believe it is a safe bet to believe that Captain America 3 would be a part of Marvel's third phase.

Thor 3

Thor: The Dark World did very well in theaters, in fact it made the second most amount of money behind Iron Man 3. Thus, Marvel has already begun getting the pieces into play for the third entry into the trilogy. Following the events of the second Thor, it would be easy to see where the third could go but considering how much bigger the shared cinematic universe is getting I wouldn't be surprised if they expanded it more in the third Thor. A way that they could continue to do so is by introducing another character that yet again could factor into the Masters of Evil. It is likely that at some point they would have a team up of villains against our heroes, thus continously adding to the villain lineup is a smart idea. With Loki on the throne of Asgard, it is likely that he would need help. In comes, Amora the Enchantress, who has abilities similar to that of Loki. Amora frequently had with her Skurge the Executioner, thus the three of them would form a very powerful threat to both Asgard and Thor. Thor would undoubtedly need help from possibly Beta Ray Bill but more likely his help would come from the familiar Warriors Three and Sif.

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Alphadogg16 2 years ago from Texas

Great hub Nickalooch, being a Marvel buff myself I am also wondering what's going to happen next. I was thinking in the Incredible Hulk, when the Abomination made gamma blood on Mr. Blue, they would make that spin into a movie with the Leader. I've also heard there is a movie with the Falcon in the making. The Avengers scenarios could be endless, as the characters can always change. Wolverine was even an Avenger at one point in the comic books. Thumbs up on your hub.


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

There are so many scenarios, you are absolutely correct. I don't think a Falcon movie would be a good bet though. I think they definitely want to do Black Panther sooner rather then later, and quite frankly is a character that needs to be done just like Ant-Man. I also want to see Ms. Marvel and the Kree.


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rjbatty 2 years ago from Irvine

I enjoyed reading about your speculations for the Marvel universe. I can imagine Iron Man getting knocked off because I think Robert Downey Jr.'s contract with Marvel will expire with the next Avengers movie. Although most of us would hate to see this character get the shaft, I think it could come down to economics. Robert Downey Jr. has probably priced himself beyond the budget of another film, but we can't be absolutely certain because the actor has seemed to enjoy his performances as Iron Man and (perhaps) would be amenable to a pay cut, although this is probably wishful thinking. Ant Man and Dr. Strange will have to be incredibly great films to keep the ball rolling. It could happen or we may be on the cusp of seeing a diminishment in super hero films in general. I suppose the audience will continue to pile into theaters to see new Marvel films if they receive very positive reviews and word of mouth. If Marvel cannot continue to make 6-7 million per film, there could be a downtrend. It costs the studios so much cash to produce films of this kind that I'm sure they'll take it step by step. Warner Bros. is putting a lot of stock in the next "Man of Steel" film, filling it with a plethora of secondary heroes. Based on its success (or failure) we may see a JLA film, but the studio isn't going to start filming anything on that end until they see the ticket results of "Man of Steel 2" or whatever they end up calling it. Films featuring The Black Panther and Dr. Strange could be awesome, but neither property has been given a green light. If Ant Man flops, Marvel, Warner Bros., and even Sony may start to have serious second thoughts about bombarding us with our favorite comic book characters and any arcs.


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

I think that Marvel is going about it the right way and whereas Black Panther, Strange and Ant-Man are risks, well so were Captain America, Thor and Iron Man way back when. Marvel is a very hot commodity right now but I know they cannot just ride the coattails of their own name. They have to continue making good films. Strange has a lot of potential and it is something different. Black Panther, i personally am dying to see made into a film...but I also think Idris Elba would have made a great T'Challa. As for Ant-Man, I think it will be very unique. They are also being smart about the release date of Ant-Man, having that come out so soon after Age of Ultron could very well benefit them. I really would love to also see them branch out more, as I said, I'd love to see Ms. Marvel be a character. I know there was some rumors of Katee Sackhoff in the role, which would be good but I still think it is a ways off from happening.

Anyways, thank you for your comments, I appreciate it. I think it is safe to say with both agree on the subject of Iron Man getting the axe!


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Stevennix2001 2 years ago

interesting theories, as i think your right that with the way the mcu is set up, there's no end to the possibilities on where they can go.


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

I have another one now that Paul Bettany is the Vision for Age of Ultron. I think that further cements the fact that things are going to be looking bleak for Tony and the Avengers. I think Rhodey dies and the movie ends with tony dragging Ultron with him into deep space, allowing him to come back in Avengers 3 with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

But it sounds very much like the Avengers will disband at the end of Ultron. Hence why Ant-Man is the first film post-Ultron.


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rjbatty 2 years ago from Irvine

I won't be finding second-and-third tier Marvel characters as interesting except the Black Panther and Dr. Strange as what DC will be generating by that time -- if all goes well. I'll still watch what Marvel produces - on DVD. My primary attention will be absorbed in the JLA and any spin-offs.


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

I think DC has a long ways to go personally, but to each their own.


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Stevennix2001 2 years ago

Hey nick, what you think about the possibility that nobody dies in avengers 2, but captain america dies in avengers 3, as he becomes the first avenger to die in action, which causes the old team to disband; while setting up for bucky to take over the mantle of captain america to reform the avengers again in avengers 4. what do you think about that concept?


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

I don't know about that mainly because of how well received Chris Evans is in the role as well. It would be tough to see Bucky take over for the role. From everything i keep hearing it sounds like they disband at the end of 2, which i am sure Cap sticks to it with Black Widow and Hawkeye


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Stevennix2001 2 years ago

That's true, but chris evans did sign only a 6 movie contract, and he even said he doesn't want to be known as captain america throughout most of his career. Plus, since he's like the leader of the team that brought the avengers together, his death would arguably have the most emotional impact if he gave his life valiantly in avengers 3 though.

Plus, with the confirmed guardians of the galaxy sequel coming out in 2016, i have to believe that thanos will be probably taking on the avengers, as i doubt in all honesty his cameo at the end of the first one was just there to set up the guardians of the galaxy. if anything, i think marvel has plans to have them both team up to fight thanos, and cap might end up giving his own life to save the world. giving him sort of a hero's death if you will.

plus i mean in the comic books, i heard that supposedly bucky took over for cap after he allegedly died anyway, so it's not like it hasn't happened before.


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Nickalooch 2 years ago from Columbia, MD Author

My theory is that Iron Man goes to space and probably finds the Guardians of the Galaxy in between 2 and 3 after his fight and inevitable take down of Ultron. It'll be a personal fight for him. It'll be left ominous that Iron Man died, but I do believe he comes back in Avengers 3 right before Thanos delivers the final blow to Cap. or i could actually see in this instance that Cap is the last one standing, barely, as everyone else is knocked out. That would be a much much darker way to go and tone wise that would be a huge shift if Iron Man were to come in with the Guardians after Cap's death. It would be a tough thing to pull off. I see your point, maybe it is because I like Cap so much that I don't want to see him die. lol. However, from a story persepective i do think it makes perfect sense that if a major death is to happen...it'll be Iron Man or Cap. Everyone else wouldn't have the same impact. I truly believe that Thor will be taking a back seat as he will always be there for a battle but as for everything else, i think he'd rather see Jane.

I am very curious to see how Vision, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are handled.

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