The French Horn and the French Horn Player: Svetlana Ivanova aka Kallini2010

The French horn

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Ancestor of the French horn: The Natural horn (no valves)

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Another Ancestor: The Hunting Horn (also no valves)

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1. The French horn;

2. The French horn player;

3. Svetlana Ivanova aka Kallini2010 is a typical French horn player;

4. Svetlana's favorite music for romantic love, sensual love, raw sadness, anger, nostalgia plus one specific memory.

Listen to the sound of the French horn

Distinguish between the French horn and Alto/Tenor horn

The French horn is an orchestral instrument and not suitable for brass BANDS.

In brass- and marching bands a similar sound is produced by the mellophone - a bell-front instrument projecting sound in the direction faced by the player. (The French horn is the only brass instrument that has the bell pointed backwards.) The mellophone is also easier to carry and especially designed to produce the approximate sound of a French horn while marching.

Distinguish between the French horn and the Mellophone

Listen again to the French horn

The French Horn

The Horn, or better known as the ‘French horn’ or ‘F-horn’, is a brass instrument composed of 12–13 feet (3.7–4.0 m) tubing wrapped into a coil that ends in a flared bell. As the third highest sounding instrument in the brass family, after the trumpet and the cornet, it falls in the ‘high brass’ section of a symphonic wind orchestra and is officially the LEADER of the brass section. It has a full, round, velvet, tenor-to-baritone sound and can produce up to twenty notes.

Surprisingly the French horn is not French in origin, but German. The only obvious reason for this is that the original German horn was finally developed into perfectness – as we know it today - by the French. This is however an issue to such an extend that the International Horn Society declared the official name of this instrument to be short and sweet ‘Horn’.

It has 3-5 rotary valves (opposed to the piston valves of other brass instruments). Each valve has two tuning slides, one for F and one for Bb pitch – a considerable amount more than any other brass instrument. The ‘double’ French horn is actually two horns in one to be played in either F or Bb.

Sound and pitch on the French horn are produced by adjustment of lip tension (the management of embouchure), blowing air into the instrument and routing it by operating the rotary valves with the fingers of the left hand. Although it could be altered, this is the only brass instrument played with the left hand. The right hand, cupped, is placed inside the bell in order to adjust the tone. (A technique called ‘handstopping’). In comparison to all other mouthpieces, the French horn has the smallest and deepest mouthpiece with a unique conical-shape which demands nerve-racking, perfect embouchure. This entire operation from blowing air into the instrument to the eventual production of the correct sound makes the French horn the most difficult and challenging brass instrument to play.

The French horn

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Modern french double horn in F/B-flat and Kruspe valve ordering (Besson BE 702), seen from back side, with numbered parts: (Source: Wikipedia)

  1. Mouthpiece
  2. Leadpipe
  3. Adjustable handrest (Ducks foot)
  4. Spit Valve
  5. Fourth valve for changing between F and B-flat pitch
  6. Valve levers
  7. Rotary valves
  8. Slides
  9. Long tubing for F pitch with slide
  10. General slide
  11. Short tubing for B-flat pitch with slide
  12. Bellpipe
  13. Bell

Music for the French horn

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The Range of the French horn

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The French Horn Player

Considering the complicated mechanism of the French horn and the challenge it issues for a player to produce perfect sound, only the highly intelligent and talented, determined, dedicated, self-disciplined and conscientious musician will become its master. There is a relevant pun concerning the difficulty of sound production: A man blows in a French horn, but only God knows what comes out of it.”

Perfectionism is for the horn-player (also called hornist) a useful and valuable quality. Trying to master this horn, is the ideal way to project tendencies of perfectionism in a creative and positive way.

Although a typical horn player has a sense of humor, they don’t easily catch the humor in placid mundane scenes and conversations. They are serious and intense, sensitive and not gregarious. Of course, at times, they are gregarious, but only when they are truly interested in the vision and mission of the specific group.

French horn players are easily labeled as ‘nerds’, ‘prima donnas’ ‘artists’ or whatever's not clearly understood. Yet, they are the most loyal and reliable friend for those who are able to accommodate their serious, analytic thoughts and actions.

The typical horn player’s mind is very much like the French horn; the operation of expressing their thoughts and ideas on the correct ‘pitch’ is complicated and challenging. However, like the hunting horns in ancient times, they are heard and understood by those who recognize the encoded message.

Many horn players are alone and even lonely, not interested in the ordinary happenings around them. However, in uncommon circumstances like revolution and war, any kind of disaster, they become the lights in darkness, the voices preventing chaos, the ‘sound’ keeping everybody alert and out of danger.

Ben-Tovim and Boyd cover all matters regarding music tuition in their book: "The Right Instrument For Your Child."

Stressed by Atarah Ben-Tovim and Douglas Boyd, authors of “The Right Instrument For Your Child”, the French horn player can never relax while playing their instrument (or, as I have already explained, while they communicate with others). Each and every note (and expression of thoughts and ideas) has to be achieved.

For children with above characteristics, the French horn is the ideal instrument to play. Unfortunately the instrument is too difficult to start with and only recommended from approximately thirteen years of age and only after the required characteristics have been proved on an easier instrument such as the cornet or trumpet. (In woodwind instruments the oboe falls in the same category as the French horn.)

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Svetlana Ivanova aka Kallini2010

Looking for the musician in kallini2010 aka Svetlana Ivanova, I can clearly see a potential French horn player. Her engrossing hubs reveal her analytic mind, ingenious intellect and determined and dedicated nature.

Analyzing and mastering her instrument – as a writer it would be her brain – and eventually producing her thoughts and ideas, is a challenge she meets time and again on the right ‘pitch’. Her hubs remind me of the extra-ordinary sounds of horns sending encoded messages.

Apart from being a writer of Internet content, Svetlana is also a passionate dancer and in particularly of the Tango. A visit to her profile will lead us to many hubs revealing her relationship with her dancing shoes.

So Kallini aka Svetlana with her two passions in life - writing and dancing - reminds me of the double French horn - one pitched in F (writing) and one pitched in Bb (dancing).


Kallini2010s audition for musicianship in Hubville Symphonic Wind Orchestra,

As part of kallini’s audition for musicianship in Hubville Symphonic Wind Orchestra, I've asked her to submit songs that have the power to put her in a specific mood for romantic love, sensual love, raw sadness, anger and nostalgia. I’ve also ask her to share a song that provokes a specific memory.

Kallini takes the floor:

"Where would we be without sad music?

Anyone can tolerate happiness. Happiness does not require courage, happiness does not require strength, happiness does not teach us much on its own. Happiness is not even appreciated until we plunge headfirst into the dark side of things.

So, I synthesized all the six choices into the Six Shades of My Soul – Romantic, Sensual, Sad, Nostalgic and Special. The sad music has the heightened sense of awareness and emotion, the happy one doesn't.

Romantic Love

The story of "The Soul Keeper":

Sabina is a Jewish Russian girl admitted to a psychiatric clinic in Zurich, where she meets Carl Gustav Jung and falls in love with him. Later Sabina becomes a psychoanalyst herself, and even though she could have been as famous as Sigmund Freud or Carl Jung, she had a misfortune to live in the Soviet Russia and be a Jew, where first her career was curtailed and later she was killed by Nazis in 1942.

The Jewish song that refers to a balalaika is something that is very touching. Balalaika is a symbolic Russian folks musical instrument. Its name has a connotation of something that is not serious, light chattery, low class… and yet the song ends up with a reference to death (the text:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumbalalaika)

Romantic Love:

Kallini:

"Romantic Love – “Prendimi l’anima” - "Tumbalalaika" - “Take my Soul”. English title “The Soul Keeper”

I came across this clip accidentally. It is from an Italian film “Prendimi l’anima”, 2002, (“Take My Soul”, the English title “The Soul Keeper”). It is the famous story about Sabina Spielrein and Carl Gustav Jung - a story that fascinates me.

A chimney is higher than a house

A cat is swifter than a mouse

The Torah is deeper than a well

Death is bitter, more bitter than gall.

This story has too many associations for me: Sabina was born on the same day as my maternal grandmother, November 7th, and she was killed the year my parents were born, 1942. I can hardly imagine anything that could feel as personal as this clip.

I hope you feel inclined to check out the story as well (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2BG6n1hBp4).


Sensual love:

Hasta Siempre Amor (Farewell, Love)

Farewell, love,
you’ll move to another arm
and the failure will hurt
same as today.

Farewell, love,
heart like mine,
which shared your distaste,
you won’t find.

And among people you’ll seek
the friendly hand I gave you
and only then you’ll understand
that for loving you I lost you.

Farewell, love,
you’ll move to another arm
and the failure will hurt
Same, same as today.

kallini:

"I think everybody is free to understand tango in his or her own way. I think it is a reflection of a personality of a listener and not the intention or interpretation of the author. No matter how well and how genuine is the expression of my feelings, my own authenticity does not guarantee the same perception by someone else. Therefore, there is very little to explain.

In my opinion (rarely fully shared), tango is more about sensuality and loneliness than about love and passion.

Lyrics in Spanish and English @
http://letrasdetango.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/hasta-siempre-amor/

Sadness:

Lyrics: Your Vulnerable Friend

One step back, the city is fully sunny.
I can’t disappoint and ruin the love anymore.
One and no more, and the soul is out of control
Because my life is like that, like a rare curse
I am depending on you.

And now i am here, your vulnerable friend,

i can’t go on,

The never ending story.

Let me pass, there is a heart for the two of us.
It’s necessary to be happy, do you believe so or not
I am depending on you.

Sadness

Kallini:

"I picked this song (Amigo Vulnerable) mostly for the music rather than for its lyrics or so I thought at the beginning. What I did not realize was that there was the English version of this song. When I watched it, it did not do anything for me. It appeared to be weak, empty and senseless. To me, it is one of the cases when lyrics kills the emotion of the music.

So if you are interested, you can look it up and compare. The singer is the same – Enrique Iglesias, the English version is called “Tired of Being Sorry” and the Spanish – “Tu Amigo Vulnerable” (Your Vulnerable (male) Friend”).

The translation of the Spanish lyrics

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Anger:

Kallini: "Anger is not an emotion that I associate with music. Experiencing anger for me is like a point of unstable equilibrium. I am not there long enough to garnish the moment with music. Just imagine me trying to hold a POINTE pose. I am not a ballerina and I doubt I can do it longer than a fraction of a second and it probably would be accompanied by very unpleasant noises of pain and discomfort and not understanding why I am in that position in the first place. The experience is cacophonic.

Yet, I found a song and I was very keen on presenting it, even though it did not convey anger. It was a call for action- a war song written to mobilize the country right after the beginning of the Great Patriotic War (the official name of the war between Russians and Germans, 22/6/1941 – 9/5/1945). It would be a great choice. BUT, I could not find a single decent clip. I never realized that it was such a demanding song that required perfect performance. It can only be sung by a choir and acoustics must be impeccable.

Me:

Although Svetlana aka kallini asked me to rather use her second choice for anger, this particular first choice of her touched my soul. Looking at the expressions on the faces of the vocalists and the audience provoked anger in me because of all evil in this world, and especially because of war. Such a devastating method of achieving one person's-group's-nation's goal!

Kallini aka Svetlana:

The name of my original song for Anger is, "The Sacred War" or we also call it by the first line "Rise, the Enormous Country, Rise to the Deadly Fight..."

The idea of the song is that choir represents the country as a unit, as people fighting the enemy together. There is no place for soloists and you would not feel anger, it is more of sad realization of the inevitability of fighting and most likely dying for your country.

I think the moving force of this song is more in its melody than it is in lyrics, therefore I have never even memorized past a few lines. But there is one line that really stands out - "let the noble rage rise (boil up) as a wave" - of course, in English waves do not boil up, but in Russian the word is interchangeable.

The song does NOT go with all my other choices - first of all it is Russian and it is so way out. Iin my opinion it breaks the harmony.

Me:

But Svetlana, is this not exactly what ANGER does - breaks harmony?

Anger:

Kallini:

Martie, what was interesting to me and puzzling as well - the song was written in the very first days of the war and yet it is anything but angry. It is very typical Russian way.

But leave it - tell me what you think about my second choice for Anger: Modà - La notte

Anger: Second choice

Lyrics of "Modà - La notte"

Source: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/la-notte-night.html

The Night

Yes, it will also be mysterious and dark,
It can be scary when it wants,
But it embraces and protects you if you listen to it...
If you hide and you search in it the strength to go on
Don't betray it with the sun and its rays.
It shields me from insults and gossips, that are meant to harm and discredit me
It gives me the freedom to do what I want even if I'm wrong in hurting myself and it doesn't insult me (for that)...
Unlike you, who instead have erased everything
In one moment.
And inside you, only the worst is left, for a mistake and a moment in which i felt lonely,
Without courage...
But at night I know you're thinking of me, love,
In the dark you're always searching for my hands, no...
Don't pretend that you're ok...you can't just forget everything so suddenly.
Something so deep and intense can't be forgotten, or at least I think so.
I say to myself that I can do it, then I lose myself and I fall back again
In those moments of despair, when everything around me
Everything was as dark
As the night,
As the beatings,
As the abandoned and never healed wounds,
Wounds that are still open.
To make mistakes is human, but to you a mistake means everything.
To you I'm nothing but a thug and a violent man, for once try to listen
To your heart and not your pride.
But at night I know you're thinking of me, love,
In the dark you're always searching for my hands, no...
Don't pretend that you're ok...you can't just forget everything so suddenly.
Something so deep and intense can't be forgotten, or at least I think so.
But at night I know you're thinking of me, love,
In the dark you're always searching for my hands, no...
Don't pretend that you're ok...you can't just forget everything so suddenly.
Something so deep and intense can't be forgotten, or at least I think so.

Nostalgia:

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Nostalgia:

Kallini:

"I have to admit that choosing for six seemingly different categories invariably brought me to the same type of music – songs that were romantic yet sad, sensual yet nostalgic at the same time. I guess you would say that it is typical for a player of the instrument you have in mind for me? But no matter what instrument would be revealed as the one describing my personality, I would not be surprised that it is typical for the player of it to deny being typical.

This is exactly how I feel. ATYPICAL. Call it an emotional illusion.

My choice for Nostalgia is “Cuore Sacro” (“Sacred Heart”). It starts with the sound of a beating heart… I heard it first on a dance floor as tango Nuevo and it immediately became one of my favorite songs. Even though most clips show the row of images of erotic love, I think it demonstrates the lack of understanding of the music. It is a very strong song and we go to the well of our associations and reach the depth available to us at the moment. So, I would say people who see in this song only the erotic, sensual love, have not yet encountered something deeper – the struggle between life and death. A love of a mother goes deeper than that of a lover. Once you submerged (willingly or otherwise) into the depths of the life or death struggle, it most likely would become your strongest experience and therefore the strongest emotions.

I would not make any effort to prove that my point has more validity than what other people might think or see in this piece of music, but my own curiosity drove me to look up where this piece came from. It is a song from an Italian film “The Sacred Heart” and it is about a woman, a workaholic, who happened to lose two friends to a suicide and how her life is changed after that. This bit of information gives this music a whole new dimension. When it comes down to moments when I tend to engage in “to be or not to be thinking”, it is the heartbeat of my son that becomes the last argument in the affirmative. There are no early exits for me and the only consolation that there may be is this visceral, stripped down to the very essence music – the Sacred Heart - … the heartbeat of LIFE."

A special memory:

A Specific Touching Memory:

Kallini:

"The only choice that was somewhat sticking out like a sore thumb was my specific touching memory.

The song that I chose was something that is simply me. I loved the song, the lyrics, the clip and yet I felt too self-conscious about others. The song was in Russian written by one of the best Russian poets, who had a tragic life and even more tragic death. Lyrics touch every nerve of my being, the performance of the actor who played Sergei Yesenin was stunning and yet I thought it was just too much. I left only a poem translated into English and settled for something safer – “Tango to Evora” by Loreena McKennitt.

How is it my special memory?

I heard it for the first time when I was dancing tango and this piece caught my heart immediately. I loved it.

A lot of people tell me that they don’t like tango because tango is depressing. Dancing or listening to tango is like courting depression. And then they would say that Salsa is such a happy dance. I am not going to pick either side of this argument, but let me tell you one thing and one thing only –

Listening to and/or dancing Salsa gives you the same satisfaction as the one after a good meal – great, yet forgettable. Listening to or/and dancing tango can make you feel as if you have finally experienced peace with yourself. Salsa is happy yet shallow; tango is profound, sad, yet soulful. There is no comparison....

Thank you Kallini aka Svetlana

The fact that you can connect your emotions to specific songs is a quality in your favor and will certainly ensure your success as a musician in Hubville Symphonic Wind Orchestra. To make your audition for French horn player an unforgettable experience you may use as accompaniment the following video of the Vienna Horns Chamber Music Ensemble. Its members are the lead hornists of Austrian orchestras. They play the Vienna Horn in F – a horn similar to the French horn but with a distinguished ‘Vienna’ sound and exclusively used in Vienna. In this video the ensemble play, “The Vienna Horns Back to the Future”

Vienna horns (Relatives of the French horns)

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Mike Robbers 3 years ago from London

The love and passion that you have for music comes over very strongly in your brilliant exciting Hub.. Not only have you educated us...you've also entertained us! Voted and shared :)


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billybuc 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

Wow! This is brilliant....so well done, Martie! I'm slightly jealous, but in a good way. This gives me a new level to reach for in my writing.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

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@ Billybuc

I am so glad you enjoyed the read. As I've explained in previous 'auditions', I am really trying to please Mr. Google while featuring writers of HubPages - one per month. Eventually the Hubville Symphonic Orchestra will give a concert :)


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

I'm leaving a note that I've found and am reading/investigating this amazing hub - what else could it be, about an amazing instrument and an even more amazing woman, highlighted by a most special woman - YOU? I'll write more in a while. I know it will take more than a cursory read, which I'm starting with. Hugs.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Nellieanna, I absolutely enjoyed Svetlana's unique, most profound choices for all those emotions. Please take your time and read all her justification of choices. Such an insightful look into the soul of a beautiful, highly intelligent lady :)


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Thank you, my dearest Martie, for such a wonderful hub. I feel honoured and overwhelmed at the same time - I can't say that I agree or disagree with your choice, I simply don't have enough knowledge about wind instruments or classical music in general.

It's an exquisite instrument and, of course, true to my description, as a nerd, Prima Donna (I like being called Prima Donna more than I like being called a nerd), I would refer to it as a German Horn. Yes, you are right, I like speaking in codes and as much as I want to be understood I think I enjoy being misunderstood as well. A true Drama Queen.

I don't know if I ever could master music, I mean studying it - for a student like me, there is a clear need of the most ingenious and patient teacher.

One thing I am clearly NOT - I am not a perfectionist, I have no patience for details, I am all about wide and wild strokes, splashes of colour.

To answer your question - does anger break harmony? It does and I hate it. I clearly like my second choice for anger better - and also maybe because - it speaks in code for me as well, I don't speak Italian and NOT understanding the words makes a song more enjoyable. Words simplify and I enjoy the opposite.

But so do all of us - we enjoy stories with a twist rather than the part "and they lived happily ever after. The End". It's the "lived happily" part that is never elaborated on - what to elaborate about? Happily. Bored.

Thank you, Martie, it's a great honour and exquisite joy!


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mckbirdbks 3 years ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

There is nothing ‘cookie cutter’ about Svetlana’s answers. There is nothing predictable in her choice of songs that portray her emotions. There is nothing ordinary about the heights of her feelings. Martie she adds a shimmering brilliance to the tapestry of this volcanic orchestra that you are assembling.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Kallini, I am so glad you find this hub about you as a French horn player an exquisite joy - as I have found your selection of videos. You do have a most amazing talent: You can sense 'tones', such as anger and nostalgia, beyond the sensors of most people.

Just for the record, I don't see perfectionism as a 'disorder', but simply as the desire to do whatever one do accurately (according to one's own idea of accuracy).

Even those wide and wild strokes, splashes of color, have to be perfectly wide and wild in order to arouse a feeling of awe. Fortunately you have the intelligence and wisdom to accept the fact that nothing can ever be completely perfect, and least of all our own doings.

Believe me, if you were given a French horn to master, you would have done that to best of your ability.

It is not the best musicians we see on stage - they are simply the best of those who have had the opportunity to develop their talent at the right time at the right place. All achievements depend on Time and Opportunity.

Thanks again, Svetlana, for your magnificent co-operation. I know your circumstances - your daily struggle with health problems - and therefore I have appreciated your input so much more.

Take good care of yourself :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

mckbirdbks, indeed, surprisingly 'unpredictable' was Svetlana's choices. I will never again be able to listen to 'her' songs without experiencing the emotions identified by her. They are there, and she described them clearly.

I love seeing and hearing life through someone else's eyes and ears - their interpretation expands my own.


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Probably, you are right, Martie - if we are to talk about perfectionism in broader term, it can be pictured in black and/or white, without sensing the tones, the shades, the nuance...

I don't perceive perfectionism as a disorder unless it is in its extreme form, but I don't like it either.

The essence is in the details and, for musicians, especially, perfectionism might mean a necessity, an ability to master an instrument and music. After all, you can not play "approximately", you have to hit the right keys at the right time.

And I was thinking that I do after all spend a lot of effort and time to convey the right message, to hit the "right" emotional button or key - when I select my images. They might be seen as "details", but they are anything but. To me, they are the major notes. They carry more emotional weight than my text, even though I am as meticulous with my words as I am with my images.

So, again, true to my character.

I do distinguish shades and tones and people admit that I am very sensitive and responsive. That makes me a good follower on a dance floor - I "listen" to the body movements and read it like "sheet music". Reading makes it interesting - it is like solving a puzzle. A predictable dancer is a BORING dancer to me. Sometimes I fall asleep, almost literally.

Once I was amazed at myself (yes, these things also happen) - I was overtired on a dance floor and I was falling asleep not from boredom but from fatigue, yet I was able to follow the movement with eyes closed much better than with my eyes open - the visual stream proved to be disruptive.

Sensitivity seems normal to me, but INSENSITIVITY? Intolerable.

Now, as I said last year (when I practically stopped writing) I can live my life. The dance puzzle was solved (my addiction, my inexplicable attraction to dance) and now I am onto the new one - how to manage the seemingly unmanageable health condition.

So, I am simply going through the motions, experimenting with this and that with no end in sight.

Patience. Patience. Patience.


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marcoujor 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

Svetlana, I thought I could reach my goal of coming back this second time to listen to all of your song choices... but hell, I gave up trying to be a perfectionist in 1999 and have never looked back.

My eyes hurt from crying at listening to my first choice-- one of my new favorite songs (in English) by Enrique Iglesias...as I listen to the version you have provided.

I knew this interview would be wonderful...I was wrong. It is exemplary...

and Martie, I promise to be back to give this entire masterpiece justice. Voted UP and UABI. Love Maria (Theresa)


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Teresa,

you are far ahead of anybody because you actually mention listening to one of my songs.

I bet you will love the song that takes place in a nuthouse - Number 1 choice - romantic love. It's an exceptional story and I am hoping to watch at least "The Dangerous Method" ( it's available in the library and my queue # is 842). The original movie that I wanted to see "Prendimi l'anima" - I don't even know where to find it - it's online but in Italian, my native language.

I just watched "La Vie en Rose" - the film about Edith Piaf and there is another nuthouse like heart-wrenching story - life, drama, music, love - Edith was praying all her life to Saint Teresa.

How more perfect can you be?

Love,

Svetlana aka Prima Donna (that much Italian I can master)

Ciao


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marcoujor 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

OMG, I have actually recently (within 3 months) watched The Soul Keeper and absolutely loved it, Svetlana...I honestly did not remember this song but, oh, how lovely now to hear again with a keen ear.

BTW, I am so perfect I put an 'h' in Teresa... :)

Have a peaceful night, my friend and I will come back tomorrow after class.


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midget38 3 years ago from Singapore

Martie, this brings back memories of a girl in my school band I tried to teach the French horn to. LOL! Not a player myself, I can't, I am a pianist, but I used to help the band with the tuning of their instruments. She tried very hard but couldn't quite make the mark. Thanks for sharing!! Passing this on, Martie.


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teaches12345 3 years ago

Wow, very impressive hub post. My niece played the french horn in high school -- learned lots from hearing her practice and play. Very well done.


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drbj 3 years ago from south Florida

I always look forward to your musical hubs, Martie, because compared to your in-depth knowledge of musical instruments, mine is superficial. Thank you for this more than excellent explanation of the various orchestral Horns and the astonishing videos that accompany your selection of Kallini as a featured orchestra member.

You have done both her and yourself proud. I have spoken!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Kallini, sometimes we discover qualities in ourselves through the eyes of others. I am sure you will soon be as fit as a fiddle again, and maybe you will forever regard this period of your life as an adventure you've needed to discover yourself. You are on the right track :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Dear marcoujor, talking about that 'h' - Another way of spelling Martie (derived from Martha) is Marthie. For some reason I hate that 'h'. I suppose because I am Martie and not Marthie. Lol!

I like that word 'exemplary'. Your vocabulary always impresses me, Maria :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Hi midget, the F-horn is honestly the most difficult brass instrument to master, and so difficult for more than one student horn player to play a cord in harmony. I live in the country; children with an aptitude to become accomplished musicians are to be recruited over a large area, while in the big cities you'll find many talent in one single suburb. Most of the time we have only 2 F-horn players in the orchestra, though I remember one year we had 4 and they were the best section of the year.

You know how it goes in schools - every year is a new beginning. The best musicians move on to college/university and the new members, on the minimum-required level, can easily ruin the orchestra's reputation if they don't pull up their socks.

But what proves a (music) teacher's success? When a student develops into a better musician as their teacher. But surely one cannot turn this around and say that a student who can't make it proves a music teacher's failure. Without talent and hard work nobody will ever 'make the mark'.

Thank you so much for coming over for the read and for passing this on.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Teaches, the mere sound of the horn - and actually all wind and brass instruments, whether on pitch or not, sooth my soul. I miss the sound of a tuba in my home. Still, while my son has left home ages ago. And how I miss the sounds in the music school since I've retired in the beginning of 2011. Now my granddaughter is learning how to play the violin. This will be her 3rd year now - Let's face it, each and every instrument has its own healing power. Thanks for your comment, teaches.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

My dear drbj, believe me, my knowledge is not in-depth. I was merely an observer and the organizer/administrator/stage manager/whatever. But yes, I've learned a lot and so wonderful, I have learned only the nice, pleasant and most fascinating parts of what there is to learn in the world of music. Thank you for your lovely comment. I have heard you :)


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

0f course, you're atypical, Svetlana! Would we bother if you weren't? Perhaps your deep dedication to being a mother is a single common denominator with other mothers, though.

These music selections and discussions are fascinating; I'm not surprised. You always deliver!

For Romantic Love, the Soul Keeper's historic tribute to Sabina and Carl Jung, ah - so infused with subtleties and mystery lending special patina. That movie sounds entrancing with so many layers of interest, and especially that there are associations with your own grandmother and parents. What is more personal?

I know you're quite fine-tuned in your selections. The tango plays a major part. I can see the sensuality in tango, of course -and yes, there's loneliness, as well. The singer's voice conveys that, too.

Enrique Iglesias' vocal quality overrides the lyrics for me. It's overflowing with feeling. I'm not sure I hear the sadness so much, though.

Yes, it's difficult to find pure anger set to music. Military music naturally has a measure of strong motive against the enemy. Even 'pep songs' for athletic events tend to have that. But personal anger just doesn't seem to seek something as esthetic as music for its expression. I like the other song you offer in association with this emotion, though. But "Modà-La note" seems to express anguish or frustration more than anger to me. I see that the lyrics include some mention of abuse which would cause anger. Perhaps if I followed the lyrics' language, it would speak to me more clearly.

Cuore Sacro is perfect for nostalgia. The beating heart - ah, yes. That tinkling, teasing piano is also nostalgic to me. Of course, as you say - it expresses some of all the emotions. I'm in love with this music now.

I'm also very fond of your touching memory music - 'Tango to Evora' - it's vibrant with life, not depression. I would make no comparison between tango and salsa for any reason. As you say - they're totally different. No need to choose a good meal over peace with oneself, and both have reason for being.

Darling Martie - this is a most important and interesting addition to the Wind Orchestra! I had no idea how magnificent the French Horn is, to be honest. I've so little real acquaintance with horned instruments, though. When they're all blended into a harmony, they're just so wonderful. But you are introducing me to each one as a special contributor! Lovely. And you've paired the French Horn, according to these special contributions, so well with our Svetlana! What a lovely hub, one which I know I'll review again and again to be more fully into it!


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Vinaya Ghimire 3 years ago from Nepal

Martie, your novel approach to write about different hubbers is very interesting. I enjoyed reading informative piece on French Horn, and anecdote about Kallini.


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snakeslane 3 years ago from Canada

Hi Martie, kallini, I am so out of my depth, with the music and the dance references, I feel like I'm in a magnificent opera house (the Met?) I am seeing and hearing it all for the first time, but I haven't got past the foyer, it's a rush of sounds and a rustle of gowns and the cacophany of the orchestra tuning their instruments and I am so overwhelmed, and I've spilled my drink, and tripped on the stairs, and I'm finally in my seat. The couple in front of me are blocking my view, so much tension, and then this stunning woman appears to drift out onto centre stage, her feet are not touching the ground, she seems to be sleeping, but she does not miss a beat. Partners come and go, whirling and twirling, it is so exotic. OK I'm sorry, I got too carried away. Thank you very much. You've both given me so much to dream away on. Martie I am so unmusical. I will need to return again to appreciate the Horn, and kallini your music selections, there is just so much going on here, it's lovely. Regards, snakeslane


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Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

So very interesting as always Martie and here's to so many more to share on here..

Have a great day.

Eddy.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

My dearest Nellieanna, thank you so much for your lovely and lively comment. Listening 'with Svetlana's ears' to those songs was an interesting and pleasant adventure for me and I can clearly see for you as well. I treasure every word in your comment just as it is. I don't want to spoil it with this reply, so I am only going to say 'amen'.

It just strike me - the remarkable uniqueness of you, Svetlana and my sweet sista Maria, and all three of you grew up without siblings all around you under the same roof. You had so much space as children to develop your perceptive on life and all happenings AND emotions. Now this is some fruit for thought.

Thanks again for your much appreciate comment, my dear CM :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Thank you, Vinaya for coming over for the read. There are so many interesting people and things in this world, and how wonderful to learn about some of them here at the hubs. Take care, Vinaya :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

snakeslane, gosh, you made me smile with your whirling and twirling description of this hub. Oh, and I know that feelings you've described so well. I felt them all when I started working at the music school in 1991.

Thanks so much for your sparkling comment.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Here's to you, Eiddwen, for a prosperous year of writing. I am so terribly behind in reading hubs and commenting, following my hubbing-schedule diligently - writing a hub, publish, reply on comments, then read a hub of each hubber who has taken the time to read mine and leave them a comment..... And while I am following this routine during the couple of hours a day I have for hubbing, amazing writers like you publish amazing hubs I keep on missing. How I wish I have more time available for reading ALL your poems!


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

Hugs, Martie! There are just so many subtleties to Sveltana's responses, it could take as many to properly respond - & they still wouldn't do hers justice!

An interesting condition to notice, Martie. Of course, I had the 3 much older siblings who just began to leave to find their own lives as I began to grow as a person. I did spend much time at home without their presence, & it was probably the time, as you say, when I developed my personal perspective, though I recall it it as always being somehow in their shadows. But there's a lack of contemporary siblings, either allies or competitors for me. I didn't even rate consideration for either category from them! haha. You've caused me to look at how they influenced each other, being close in age, and it's clear to see the contrast you're probably noticing in someone who is an only child or grows up nearly as one with siblings who do share the contemporary stage of kids in the family and how it affects development. That contrast would certainly make an interesting study.


Sunnie Day 3 years ago

Hello Martie,

I always stand amazed when I read one of these brilliant hubs of yours, not only taking an instrument and educating us immensely on it, but capturing the essence of a person and finding the instrument that fits their soul. Svetlana is such a sweetheart and I love her dearly, she is everything you described and more. I have always admired many of the traits you have described. Her love of dance and the way her mind ponders, not to mention an exceptional mother to Daniel, so deeply weaves such a beautiful lady to be admired. Thank you for writing this and sharing such an excellent hub.

Love and hugs,

Sunnie


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Fiddleman 3 years ago from Zirconia, North Carolina

Brilliant hub! I am a strings person but I do enjoy and appreciate all genres of music.


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Genna East 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

There must be a better word than “stunning” to describe this hub, for no words of praise seem to do it justice, Martie…such superb work.

I have always found the smooth yet rich tones of the French horn intimidating…it must be one of the most difficult instruments to learn to play. Thank you for introducing everyone to the ‘atypical’ and captivating Svetlana, who is auditioned here, brilliantly, as a musician in the Hubville Symphonic Wind Orchestra. I was intrigued by her musical reference to romantic love and the fascinating relationship between Spielrein and Jung. I recently watched the film, “A Dangerous Method,” which focuses on their affair and the ideological disagreements between Freud and Jung. I sooo look forward to watching the Italian film, (The Soul Keeper)…what a very apt title. :-)

I have to agree with Svetlana on how anger is not an emotion one easily associates with music…at least, that’s my interpretation. We have musical dissonance that jars the mind, but maybe I’m too naïve in viewing music as a story that transcends and centers the harmony of the soul.

Anywho, a fascinating hub. Thank you, thank you! :-) Voted up ++ and sharing.


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Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

Dear Martie,

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your Hubville Symphonic Wind Orchestra series, and this exquisite piece on the French Horn, as well as introducing us (or me) to Svetlana.

Yes, I can see how the French Horn is the LEADER of the brass section! How very interesting that the origin is Germany and not French.

It is truly thrilling her to listen to the varying sounds of the different horns. Thank you for your insight into each one too. Excellent to say the least!

Svetlana's six choices of songs are just beyond words . . . each so very dramatic and I love them all, especially love "Your Vulnerable Friend," as the music and lyrics really got to me. Thank you for posting the lyrics ----amazing.

Martie and Svetlana, please know how much I thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of this one of a kind hub----so very . . . both of you, unique and wonderful beyond words.

Voted up +++++ and sharing

This hub deserves hub of the year! I shall remember come awards time. It is a blessing to know I can come back and read and listen however many times I so desire.

Sending love your way, Faith Reaper


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

My dear T-H-eresa:

I hope that from now I will remember the "H" - I cannot say that I have never paid attention, but for some reason every time I write down your name, I stop and think and yet somehow ... make a mistake. And I hate misspelling names.

The same this time, I clearly remember stopping, thinking and looking the way you spelled your name and thus it is a mystery how I could possibly copy something and still do it my way. The wrong way.

That is what I call an atypical way of paying attention to detail. That is precisely the kind of thing that makes me doubt whether I can manage anything that requires precision, something like playing a musical instrument, let alone the most difficult wind instrument that is F Horn.

I will probably be more often off key than any other normal human being.

On the other hand, I think I start to understand what Martie means that there must be a correlation between an player and his personality and a musical instrument to choose.

We are never good at everything.

I have to apologize (as usual) that it takes me forever to answer (to acknowledge that I read) the comments, but I felt so incapacitated that any activity was out of the question.

I had to admit that my experiment to go drug free failed, I cannot manage the depression any more and I will be looking for better ways.

Therefore I cannot make any promises, I hope you understand that my failure to appear online is never due to my laziness or disrespect, it is simply a matter of a physical/mental disability.

In that sense, Enrique Iglesias' song "I am tired of being sorry" fits my sentiments. It is either people around me understand or I just can't make them understand and stay. At this juncture of my life I am trying to make changes that will work.

Honestly, how much sense do I make? After four months of depression - not much.

Still, it is better to state my opinion poorly rather than not state it at all.

Coming back to the silent letters -

there was a hub where I was pontificating about different yet fundamental truths and I came to the conclusion that the only truth I was capable to accept is silence.

And then true to my nature, I proceeded to say that only silent letters are true and every W-riter has truth in him, even doubly so, because he has a double silent letter...

So, once again, you are ahead of us with your silent letter and Martie... I don't know what she would say about my theory of silent letters...

I hope she would laugh.

Take care,

Svetlana


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marcoujor 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

Hi Martie, Svetlana and Nellieanna,

Nellieanna-- I almost wonder if you MUST hear the English translation to fully appreciate the sadness of the words of the song...and now as I go back and forth, instant tears...

Martie-- Get off that truck and into some comfy clothing for heaven's sake...

Svetlana...I so fully appreciate your comment today. You really do make sense to me. I get exhausted from being sorry... I tell you, we hafta stop, at once. It simply is what it is. I fully intend to sit next to you at the orchestra...rules be danged (Sista, may I exert familial perogative??) I believe Martie is guffawing...

Love to all, Maria T(h)eresa


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

My dearest Nellieanna:

Thank you very much such detailed in-depth comment. I could hardly expect anyone to listen to all six musical pieces (let alone the French horn clips) and even less to make a comment on each of them. Such a commitment makes you truly exceptional, and, yes, quite atypical in a different way. Reading your comment was such a delight!

When I was making selections I was trying to make each clip worth listening to. So, if anyone would choose to invest time in giving a song a chance, I was hoping he would not be disappointed.

The song “Tumbalalaika” was an odd choice for me at first. I came across this particular clip because I drifted from yet another remarkable story, a love story (romantic yet tragic) of two Russian Jews who lived at the beginning of the 20th century. He was a noble bandit, Robin Hood of sorts (quite unlike Che Guevara) and she was a daughter of a rich merchant. There was a book written about him and recently there was a movie made – rich, colourful, with lots of music. I loved the film and that song was used there, so naturally… But I could easily foresee that all these Russian references will be perceived as too foreign. We react better to something we can recognize, we can easily identify with…

And what I could identify with was Sabina Spilrein. I see myself in Sabina, not because I think I could have become famous, but because she began her story in a mental institution and even there she could find love. She would have had a successful career if not for the Soviet regime and she could have lived if not for the German invasion. She probably could have married Jung if not for him being already married. For some reason I feel that I could have … if not for the circumstances… I could have had a much better life if not for my fumbling and stumbling.

I did not happen to find someone with the understanding of my illness and my situation – a doctor, a lover, a husband, a friend, a coach… I really don’t know who, but I am sure a certain someone who could have made a difference. It’s really not that difficult to help when you know what you are doing. The trouble is so many “helpers” have no idea…

Instead I am treading through my life trying to make the sense of it all almost alone. And the song goes… “he walks and walks the whole night and he thinks whether he is making a right choice…”

But life is what it is and walking and thinking whether we make the right choice is just the inevitable part of it. Romantic love may or may not be there, here, now or then, but walking and thinking is the reality, is the very colour of the reality.

Funny enough, while Martie was working on this hub, a romantic story a la Carl Gustav Jung happened to me adding yet another dimension to the love story and the song, but telling it would take me to a comment with the length of a hub and with your permission, I’ll omit it.

I’ll come back to address other points that you made a little later.

Take care,

Svetlana


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Nellieanna – I’ve grabbed the opportunity to be a passenger of a truck driver for 16 hours – oh, make it 24 hours – and this is the reason why I was absent in here for 2 days. (A hub about this most awesome experience will soon be published.)

Re your sentence, “.... when I developed my personal perspective, though I recall it it as always being somehow in their shadows....”

Don’t we all tend to think that our perspective is in the shadow of people ‘older, wiser and more experienced’? Only when we learn their mistakes – while we found ourselves going through a similar refining-process – their perspective moves on like a cloud to allow full sunshine on ours. Then ours may keep the sunshine from others that are still in their tender, developing phase.

As the eldest of five the doings of my siblings had no dominating influence on me, although because of them I had the opportunity to develop some traits sooner than others, i.e. leadership and the obtaining of co-operation and I would say the worse was to take responsibility for the doings of those who are supposed to obey rules under supervision. Because of the latter I still find it difficult to not feel responsible for the doings of others. And this is but only the tip of this specific iceberg. The influence of siblings on each other is indeed a very interesting study. The point is, only my parents and other older people, as well as my peers, were either allies or competitors.

Nellieanna, you plant so many ideas in my mind! If only I had the time to let them all grow!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Sunnie Day – Thank you so much for your complimentary comment. Much appreciated by me! I would like to emphasize the ‘more’ about Svetlana. I’ve but only highlighted some of her traits (perceivable by me) that could have helped her to master the French horn. She is an amazing free thinker – not cramped into any man-made boxes. Her views on life and issues are worthy to consider while we form our personal perspectives. Lots of hugs to you, Sunnie.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Fiddleman - It is a fact: some musicians will rather excel in strings or claviature or even only in percussion than in a wind instrument. There is the right music instrument (and even more than one) to meet the personality of each and every aspiring musician. I can also see a violinist in Svetlana, or rather a cellist. The violin can accommodate many personalities. Thank you for reading and commenting.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Genna, thank you for your fabulous comment. I can but only say 'amen-amen-amen'. I would love to see those movies myself and now have them on my list "To be enjoyed" Thank you so much for the votes and share.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Dear Faith, thank you for the time you've taken to read this hub of mine with attention. Music instruments, the personality traits of co-hubbers and their favorite songs certainly don't fall under 'most needed information'. Your compliments are delightful and much appreciated. You are such a lovely lady!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Svetlana, even in your most devastating states of depression your comments are ingenious. I would so love philosophizing with you for hours next to a campfire under the stars. (Oh, stars are so beautiful in this country of mine. So close, so bright.) I have so much confidence in you. You, in particularly YOU, will beat depression, and you will forever be able to support and guide others suffering this horrible condition. Just stay strong, girl, and do what you know ought to be done whenever you feel like it. Don't push yourself. Try this and try that as it comes. Go with the flow.

And you know, don't you, that I am sending you many silent letters per day. I am also sure that you can feel my love and admiration for you even while I don't address you in person online. I am always with you in spirit. (Yes, our spirit is not only one solid substance of us, but like oxygen it is always all over for others to inhale.)

Take care, dear Svetlana, and thank you for your profound and lovely comment.

Oh, and re medicine, I think you know by now what works and what does not work for YOU. I try to go without medicine as far as I can, but believe me, when it comes to depression and pain, I know when it is time to take medicine, and having experienced the good, the bad and the ugly, I also know how to control my dependence of medication. Somehow I just know you are learning and you are making the right decisions. You have all my support and empathy!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

marcoujor – you sweet thang! And you, too, know that I am always in spirit with you. You can but only call my name whenever you wish to ‘choke’ in all my love for you.

Yes, lol, I fell out of the truck in my effort to get out of it. But B was supposed to catch me, you know. But he had some stuff in his left hand, and typical man, under the impression that he needs only half of himself... I mean only one of his hands/arms – for me. And then.... he almost fell on top of me! One of those hilarious moments that will always make me laugh. Fortunately, and thanks to his available hand, I’ve hit the ground in slow-motion and ever so gently. Of course, B, is not able to laugh about this. He feels like a worm – while I am LMAO!

Love you, Maria Theresa!


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

My dear Svetlana - how could I NOT relish all your selections and reasons for selecting them? Your depth is the measure of it all. I so like this format of Martie's, having us use music selections to help define ourselves and so, to be more aware of others' inner workings. I've thought of other pieces I almost wish I'd chosen for mine in her hub about me & the musical instrument she picked for me. But I tend to think it's a little like those personality tests that instruct one to write down the first word that comes to mind when asked what some other word suggests. Sort of 'if you have to think about it. . . ' - it may be more contrived and less visceral.

That story about Sabina Spilrein is amazing. So many obstacles, yet she made an impression on a hostile world. Perhaps that's another likeness to her you share.

Being alone - or almost alone - has been my life and my salvation, finally. If I didn't love people so, I'd probably be a recluse. I found my own 'sense of it all' alone and have to have ample solitude to stay reasonably 'glued'. ;-) What is bothersome about inept 'helpers' is feeling one needs to coach THEM! But maybe that's their forte, - making the one in need of help arise to his/her own help!

One thing of which I'm certain is that No one makes all 'right choices' - - nor all 'wrong choices'. We're all mixtures. I recently read some traits of people who become centenarians and one was the ability to face adversity with a somewhat philosophic mind-set. My observation is that it helps at any age. Humans aren't good repositories for piles of disastrous debris. We must have means to rid ourselves of most of it, and it's pretty much a do-it-yourself chore.

Yes, walking and thinking IS the reality and all that gives it subjective meaning and appeal. For a person - that's pretty much IT.

I'm thinking perhaps you ought to write a hub about the 'rest of the story' about Carl Jung's romance.

I'm very pleased and honored that you've taken time to reply to my comment so well. Hugs, dear Svetlana. Hope you're continuing to start feeling better.


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

Martie - wow - what an unusual experience! When Dave Price came through Dallas and called me as I'd suggested he do, I met him in his truck at a large parking area, to take us for coffee nearby. He insisted I climb into the driver's seat of that monstrosity - and took a picture of me! (Then we did go drink coffee and talk for a couple of hours nearby! He was such a wonderful person. I still miss him on HP.)

But I can't imagine riding around in it for days - or a day! My second granddaughter, however, toured all over this country and Canada with her husband who was a driver. She got a lot of her college courses online in that truck. When she was finally 'back on the ground' permanently, she had trouble studying on an unmoving surface!

I know your hub about your truck experience will be great!

Your analysis of how your own position of 'casting shadows' on younger siblings is very enlightening too - along with how it influenced the direction of many of your other traits. There is much study of these relationship influences on human development. Has value. Each of us owes it to ourself to look into these & other influences which helped shape us, so we can distill and better understand them, including the "good, bad and ugly"!


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Nellieanna 3 years ago from TEXAS

Maria - hearing the English translations - or understanding the original language - makes for such a bonus.

I've often thought of the many Hubbies from other countries for whom English is not the first language, even though they're masters of it, yet still, how puzzling some of our writing for whom it is the first language - - - especially poetry - would have to be! When they write in English, they must miss the language 'pearls' of their own when expressing a thought.

The engrained subtleties of one's mother tongue - even the local dialect - are so difficult even to translate; they rest on experience more than instruction.

Thank you for mentioning that!


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Nellieanna, I appreciate your wise and profound comments in my corner tremendously. You and I and all my special friends are so on the same page, and for me it is so wonderful to know that I am not the only one who 'thinks too much'.

I like to compare people with trees. We are the trunk with branches and leaves, producing, providing and being what/who we are. And then we have roots - our thoughts, ideas, everything needed to produce branches and leaves. Who knows what feed the roots and how deep is the level of the water our roots need in order for us to survive, and how fresh and nourishing is that water? And, the most important, what exactly can we do about the source of 'food/water' we have? Are we not compelled to cope with whatever falls out of the sky on us - rain, hail, snow, wind, and what goes on underground? Sometimes too large branches or the falling leaves of a neighboring tree spoil our sources, or steals it..... Sometimes a hurricane simply destroys us. But this seems to be a hub on its own. Lol!

I am definitely going to share my amazing experience as passenger of a truck driver a.s.a.p. Just have to finish two important hubs - Perspective of the month (on regrets and hope), and then passing on the Lollipop. Yes, Maria made me the proud owner of the delicious and most-coveted Lollipop that floats around in HubPages. Here is the link to the recent prestige award ceremony :))

http://marcoujor.hubpages.com/hub/Forbidden-Pleasu...


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Rosemay50 3 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

You have put so much into this hub, wonderful information about the French horn, sounds and techniques along with the music choices of Svetlana, it is certainly not a 'one sitting' meal but whole banquet, requiring one to take an breather after each course from the hors d'oeuvre through to coffee and biscuits.

I will be back to listen and read bit by bit in oreder to enjoy the whole. :))

An excellent hub and one that shows just how much you love music by the phenominal amount of work and time you must have put into this.


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Dear readers, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all who read this hub (even the least of it) and left a comment.

I realize it is too much to expect and too much to ask to listen to all the music in this hub and I was hoping that even if you invested time in listening to one single clip, Martie's or/and mine, you would not be disappointed.

Music like food is a matter of taste and a taste is a matter of development. Rarely we develop a liking from the very first bite. It takes up to 20 times to let children accept a new food. Music also tends to grow on us.

Tango is especially tricky in this sense, it is a matter of developed taste, of acquired taste. It is not bad or good, it is something that I had a chance to witness. I went to a show in Toronto "Tango Pasion" and the dancing was staged and amazing, beyond any description, music was wonderful, yet... the only time the dancers got almost a standing ovation was when "Cumparsita" was played. Even if you don't know this song by name, if you look it up, you'll agree that you've heard it before.

I was puzzled at first - all these people came to see tango so the idea was that they were somewhat interested, but it did not mean that they knew much about it. Recognition of music is a big factor, we are conservative.

I came to tango in the very same way - I knew nothing about the music and I was overwhelmed. I started to develop my likings and recognition with time and tango is addictive. In the end, it is irresistible. But it is not for everyone. Not everyone is in the mood for "a delicate balance of romantic yet tragic", not all the time. And a lot of people who "dance" tango don't feel the music at all.

I have to say a very special thank you to Martie because she made this hub possible, she did not ask too much from me, she said that it would be quite enough to ONLY select six songs for six different categories and descriptions are optional. What is there to talk about in music? It is what it makes you feel.

I was barely up for a challenge, but somehow I got through it, but later I collapsed again - depression seems to win the battle more often than I am willing to admit and that is the reason that my comments may never even happen.

So, I take this opportunity of being upright NOW

and saying a big THANK YOU TO YOU ALL

Mike Robbers

Billybuc

Mike Friedman

midget38

teaches12345

drbj

Vinaya Ghimire

snakeslane

eiddwen

Sunnie Day

Fiddleman

Genna East

Faith Reaper

Rosemay50.

This hub took me into the direction least expected. I have an intention (I make no promises these days) to write a hub about how music expresses sadness.

Sadness is subdivided into 20 sub-emotions, from low range, mid range and the high range. And I find it interesting that we prefer low to mid-range. We really don't listen (or create) too much of gut-wrenching music that makes you weep.

Heartbreak (heartbroken) occupies position 12 out of 20. The highest point is Depressed, which I disagree with, the highest should be "Suicidal". I know that not everybody can manage that or willing to even imagine, but those of us who had no choice but to experience emotions in their highest intensity (good or bad is equally bad and unmanageable) need music that reflects our feelings the best.

So, I am looking for the saddest music ever and I am open to suggestions.

In fact I even asked the question

http://kallini2010.hubpages.com/question/208826/wh...

Thank you all!


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

Nellieanna and Maria Theresa:

I am trying to take advantage of being upright today.

I wanted to tell you that I have to agree with Nellieanna on the song "Tu amigo vulnerable" - it is clearly a wrong choice for Raw Sadness.

Raw means Pure and it is only in low (maybe mid range) sadness, so hearing the emotion in it is not a safe bet.

So far I found the saddest song to be "Caruso" sung by Lara Fabian, but I remembered it only now.

The reason I like "Your vulnerable friend" so much (in Spanish, the English version does nothing for me) is because I identify with being a vulnerable friend. I disregard any references to being in love, I could not care less at the moment, but words like "I cannot go on", "the never-ending story", blah, blah, blah, just describe my life so perfectly.

I am in the perpetual state of mourning of my former healthy (questionably) self. So, if you compare song #2 (Hasta Siempre Amor) with "Tu amigo vulnerable", the tango surpasses my so called Raw Sadness with envyable ease.

All this business of how well i matched my emotions to the songs made me look up emotions in the book "Emotional Intelligence" and I found quite interesting facts.

The song "La Notte" by Moda that is supposed to express Anger, actually expresses anger in the lowest range of it.

There are only five emotions - Happiness, Sadness, Anger, Fear, and Shame. Of all five, one is positive and the rest - something we'd rather not experience.

Maybe Fear and Shame can also be put to music, I've never thought of it before, but what I found out about sadness and anger

sadness comes with acceptance. The higher the intensity of sadness, the less likely we are to act on it. Depression tops the list and we know that depression comes with almost paralysis. If you don't become suicidal, you become catatonic.

Anger, on the other hand, is a call to action. It starts with irritation and higher it goes, the more likely we are to act. If we get to the point of boiling rage, we are going to act.

So, in "La Notte", you can hear that determination, yes, he is sad, he is upset that things did not work out, but he is not going to sit around and wallow in his sadness, he'll do something about it and he starts with letting her know what he thinks.

Sadness does not motivate, anger does. So, probably, yes we can say war songs are in the anger category, even if they are mildly calm.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Thank you, Rosemay, for your inspiring comment. I love your description of this hub, "a whole banquet." We all know that people, including myself, no longer have the time or desire to read long, comprehensive articles and even fiction. Everything has to be short and instant like a picture easy to perceive. But this series of mine is indeed like a music concert, banquet style, and I am so glad that you enjoyed it, and fortunately, one can come back to enjoy more of the French horn and especially of Svetlana's most interesting and exotic songs. Take care, my dear Rosemary :)


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Dear Svetlana, you are turning this hub in the most amazing book. I can even see the title in my mind - "A Conversation about Music, Emotions and Depression." Believe me, I am hanging on your lips. Your comments are greatly appreciated. Of course I would love to add my personal thoughts to each and every sentence, but then, my dear friend, we'll never see/hear the end of this conversation. And I do know that you are ill and that these comments demand a lot of energy.

But this I must share with you. When it comes to sadness, for some reason this song always fascinates me. This is my sadness in highest intensity ~ Oh, there are other songs as well, but this one is special.... (I did not take the time to pick the best performance)

http://youtu.be/sa1os99uVZk

But how amazing! Listen to the difference when they change the beat.... http://youtu.be/4mlYjBN1bm8


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Svetlana, I've just listen again to the second video - the beat, as it is determined by the composer, is the same in both songs. But the latter stick to it, as if they are using a back-track - I call it a 'rhythm box'. It doesn't give the musician an opportunity to express emotion. You've got to stick to the beat....

.... and this is why I've lost interest in my electronic keyboard, rejected its rhythms and converted it into an electronic pipe organ, or whatever sound I wanted for a specific song. I could split the keyboard in two - strings on the one side and organ, clarinet, piano, or whatever on the other side.... Oh, my keyboard was such a delight. Then they - fooking burglars - stole it, and that on a Christmas Eve! And yes, eventually - years later - the scoundrels were caught and punished, but the precious goods they've stolen from me.... Gone with the wind....

Anyway, the first soloist play mostly rubato - to emphasize emotion....

BTW, classical guitar music always arouses sadness in me.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Oh, and drums definitely arouse my anger and aggression. (Aggression on several levels between love and hate, depending on the power of the beat.)

And those screaming electric guitars in Heavy Metal arouse nothing but fear in me. That will drive me insane.


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Rosemay50 3 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

I'm back to listen to a little more before I go away for a day or two.I intended to comment on the French horn but got side tracked. Reading kallini2010s comment regarding sad music...

I listened to both versions of 'Amigo Vulnerable' and must admit I prefer the Spanish version probably because of the more romantic language. To me this is more of a yearning, longing sadness.

Raw sadness to me is a song that never fails to make me cry and that is 'Ebony Eyes' by the Everly brothers. But that is more the lyrics than the music. As for instrumentals I find string instruments create an atmosphere of sadness for me, for example 'Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings'. I also find Mon Amour can put me in a melancholy mood depending on what mood I am in to begin with, I can also find it very romantic.

I will be ack again when I have more time because I also want to listen to your links to Juan Serrano Martie.


Sunnie Day 3 years ago

Like Rosemary I had to come back to have a listen to the music clips as time did not permit me before. I found I enjoyed the passionate sounds of Nostalgia and the Tango of Evora most of all, the Tango being my favorite of the two. All of these tunes are new to me, but I love a song that stirs my emotions and these two did this with ease. Martie you put so much work into sharing this wonderful hub. I have learned much from reading and listening to this beautiful music.

Thank you.

Sunnie


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kallini2010 3 years ago from Toronto, Canada

My dear Martie:

Yes, you are right - the hub was only a starting point and took me somewhere where I have not been before.

I have not asked myself about putting emotions to music, I did not realize that I really liked sad music, I did not even know why I liked sad music so much and why I am quite resistant to it.

It takes a really intense emotion to get me crying and get all mellow. I like bright colours, I like exaggerations, I like strong emotions, I like the strong expressions of emotions in music.

I don't like wishy-washy stuff where you can't really tell if there is a melody or simply noise. Heavy Metal and Rock for me is simply awful noise. I don't like jazz (majority of it), because it's all over the place, irritates the hell out of me.

The guitar ... I love guitar the most ... I think it has the unique ability to create beautiful sadness. I am resistant to sadness, but not to beauty and I can listen to a guitar and wish the music would never end...

The song that you asked me to listen to - I heard it before and it is pure beautiful sadness and you are right - rhythm makes a difference. From my point of view, the more important aspect in music is the creating the RIGHT emotion, not rhythm or anything else. And you were right in noticing that I strive to get to the EXACT PRECISE SPECIFIC effect and everything else is just not good enough.

To me, missing the expression is missing the target, is equivalent to playing OFF key and we all know what torture it is.

Don't feel obligated to respond as soon as you can - I know how overwhelmed you are with all your HP activity and your life.

I really like your musical hubs because it is something new and quite unique to me.

Speaking about guitars - there is this song that is sad in its content, yet in a very typical Russian way it goes - to hell with everything, let's just enjoy NOW as much as we can - joy in the middle of sadness. I don't know if you can hear it at all - I would not bet on it - it's a tricky combination.

It starts with

two guitars

behind the wall

started moaning (crying, whining) in a crying manner (in a manner that makes you cry...)

untranslatable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U9llYsL6BI

So that's all there is to it - the Russian mysterious soul (in general) - acceptance of sadness by dissolving it in joy (denial), enjoying the opposites at the same time. It's not unique, simply a matter of training.

Cheers,

Svetlana


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Rosemay - I am so glad you came back to listen to more of the beautiful music in here. I agree all the way with you. 'Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings' is, indeed, extremely sad. But I will not dare listening to it when I am in a sad mood, unless I allow myself to be thoroughly sad only for the duration of the piece. I've learned how to use music for my own convenience opposed to allow music to swing my moods. And I bet you are doing the same, Rosemary?

Goodness, but this is sad! http://youtu.be/lV3SHBFyDZM

I love 'Ebony Eyes' http://youtu.be/EQOjxA8rrks

Thanks, Rosemay, I appreciate your participation with all my heart.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Sunnie Day - Welcome back! Fortunately Svetlana did most of the work - The songs she has chosen and her write-ups about it absolutely make this hub an extra-ordinary experience. Have a lovely day, dear Kimmie.


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MartieCoetser 3 years ago from South Africa Author

Svetlana, I do agree with you all the way, although sadness is a very familiar emotion to me. I become terribly sad about the merest. In fact, I tend to become sad when I am supposed to become angry or happy. Today I was so sad while I was supposed to be happy. Because I've received something I've wanted for so many years. I can write an entire hub about crying when one is supposed to be happy.

Regarding the different genres in music - I can honestly say that I am able to enjoy all genres and even Heavy Metal at the RIGHT time and occasion. Every occasion asks for a specific genre. For example, when we have barbecues down here, normally on Saturday afternoons, the appropriate music is quite silly sing-a-longs. We swim, play darts, table tennis, sit and chat, (oh, and the men watch rugby in the TV-room and forget about the meat on the fire!), and we eat, drink and just relax while this music creates and maintains a perfect atmosphere that doesn't require any intelligent thoughts or intense emotions. I can make a list of occasions and their appropriate genre of music just to stress my believe that there is a place and a time for each and every genre. So when I say I don't like a specific genre, I actually mean I don't like the occasion that requires the genre.

The Russian song is beautiful - one of those I will enjoy while I am alone, allowing myself to mourn about what-could-have-been-but-never-was. Sometimes I allow myself this for an hour or so. Then I change the music, and most probably to rock or swing, just to get myself happy again. I am hyper-sensitive when it comes to music. It can change my mood in less than a minute.

Thank you for this interesting and profound comment, Svetlana. I really enjoy this conversation about music and emotions.

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