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Is it right to breastfeed a five year old??

  1. Aneegma profile image75
    Aneegmaposted 2 years ago

    I work in a corporate office and we have a nursery in our office building so that those who can't  get babysitters make use of the nursery. It's a new scheme we've introduced for the working mothers in our company.  Recently we hired a new human resource manager, who happens to be a mother. She signed up for the nursery scheme and indicated she breastfeeds.  But I was mortified to see that the child she's breastfeeding is a five year old boy. Apparently she had trouble conceiving and after ten years of going through 6 miscarriages and three IVF treatment failures, she had this kid.  Now everyone in the office is beyond uncomfortable about this but the problem is we can't do anything about it for fear of legal action. We can't fire her, no one has the guts to talk to her about it for fear of being fired or sued. But the issue has been raised and we are in the process of consulting our legal department on how we should handle this. But I would like to know, as I'm not a mother, but those of you that are mothers, did you breastfeed your child until they were that age? Is it technically wrong to do so? I just want to know your thoughts on this as I think it's beyond ridiculous but i may be wrong.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      You don't have the guts to talk to her?  What are you wanting say, anyway?  "You're being weird and we all want you to straighten up and live like we think you should"?

      No, there is no harm to either mother or child in breastfeeding.  Not at 1 year, not at 5 and not at 10 for that matter.  I little (or a lot) different, but no harm is being done.

    2. bethperry profile image88
      bethperryposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      While I did breastfeed two of my children, and loved every moment of it, I suspect there is something psychologically off about a woman that prolongs breastfeeding once her child is physically able to eat solid foods. Breastfeeding is best for a healthy infant -and in most cases best for the mother- but there is more to being a mother beyond the emotional attachment that goes along with breastfeeding. A mother's job is to raise their child to be healthy, and physically and psychologically able to one day leave "the nest". In my personal opinion, to deliberately keep a child on the teat when that child should be eating independently is not a sign of a psychologically rational woman, it is the symptom of someone that seeks to keep their child dependent on them. The exception I would make to this is if the child has a physical condition or disability that makes breastfeeding a medically sound alternative to intravenous or tube feedings.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Yep. I concur.
        ( And I also breast fed for an entire five and a half years of my life. Three, the first time around and 2 and a half,  the second time.)
        And I heartily believe in breast feeding!
        Just not past @ three years of age.
        (Sorry for TMI, Dr. lamb.)

    3. EncephaloiDead profile image58
      EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      That certainly wouldn't be a group of intolerant, ignorant people I would want to work with, which is obviously the real problem there. You are the ones who should be fired.

  2. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    I think it is unusual and arguably rather weird. But within the realm of personal choice.

  3. calculus-geometry profile image86
    calculus-geometryposted 2 years ago

    When the boy starts school, it will probably be exposed somehow that he is still being breastfed.  The other kids will ostracize him and mercilessly make fun of him, and then he will quickly wean himself and your problem will be solved.

  4. adams07 profile image85
    adams07posted 2 years ago

    There's nothing legally wrong with breastfeeding your child until they are 5.  That's a personal choice.  That's surely not something worth firing someone over.  Is she doing this in public or private?  I work for the State of GA and the WIC department is a huge advocate for Breastfeeding; however, they don't advocate it to that extreme.  We do have employees who are breastfeeding counselors that have breastfed their children until 5 and they usually stop when they start school or at least only do it at bedtime.  The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends breastfeeding until age 2.  I think anything past 2 years old is a little extreme but I've read stories about people offering the breast to their teenagers as a comfort more than a meal option.  I would be more worried if their 16 year old was driving to the office daily for a snack.

  5. DzyMsLizzy profile image90
    DzyMsLizzyposted 2 years ago

    Unusual, yes.  Weird?  Maybe, but then, who is to define "weird," anyway?  Even what constitutes "normal" is a subjective matter.

    What's "normal" in one culture is anywhere from odd to taboo in another.  In my opinion, the "problem" here is not with how long a child is being breastfed, but with the Western obsession with breasts as a sexual object.
    In many (more primitive) cultures, men aren't even interested in breasts, claiming, "...breasts are for babies."  And, they are right.

    If the mother is not uncomfortable, then she should be left alone; it's her choice and her business.

    1. Aneegma profile image75
      Aneegmaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      You got a point there.. It explains the feeling of uncomfortability.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    It is beyond the limit of what is practically and naturally necessary. By five the child has all his teeth, for goodness sake! She should not be left alone. She should be helpfully encouraged to stop for the sake of freeing the child's psyche from her insecurities. She needs to have faith in his strength and robust health. SHE needs to develop a positive attitude. Otherwise, her fear based attitude will transfer to the child and possibly even become a deeply sub-conscious entrenched emotion. Ask any child psychologist!

    For the sake of the child's psychological health, the mother needs to stop. Children are not born to remain dependent. Their love of independence starts early and continues for the rest of their lives. To encourage this infantile dependence is absurd and ridiculous.
    Furthermore it will not be acceptable to co workers and other mothers. She should be told that unless she stops she will loose her job. If she does not stop, do whatever it takes to fire her.

    The Way I see it.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Do you think a 5 year old child is cooking their own supper?  Then the dependence is not from breast feeding, but from being too young to feed himself.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The question is, is he actually getting any breast milk?

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Why would that even be a question?  Women have fed their children for millenia far longer than 5 years - why would they dry up in modern times?

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    If he is getting breast milk, the mother just might be really lazy. She just doesn't want to fix food for him. Or mess up her kitchen...
    or wash dishes.
    Maybe they could fire her based on her bad work ethic.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I really wonder if you like women at all.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I am concerned about the psychological health of the child. it is not right to encourage infantile behavior past the point that nature deems it necessary.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I find it odd that you think she might be lazy, or not want to prepare food for him or not wash the dishes.  If she is a human resources manager she is probably educated and intelligent.  Perhaps she has researched the benefits of breastfeeding and believes it is best for her child.

          Cultures in Africa are known to breastfeed older children.

  8. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago

    In quite a few cultures, women breastfeed their children up to 5 to 7 years of age.  She should be allowed to follow her personal preference.  It is not harmful to the child and does not affect her work any more than breastfeeding an infant, probably less since she would not need to breastfeed as frequently.

    Why should anyone else care, and what possible reason could be used to fire her?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Q. which cultures?
      A. In other cultures like India and parts of Asia and Africa, Mum breastfeeds until 5-7, because of the nutrients.

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life- … z2vLKVJrAd

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Most children I read about self-weaned at about 4 and a half.  This may be a throw back to ancient times when food sources were scarce. I really do not think a child past three needs to nurse for nutritional or psychological reasons. The mom should break free like I saw one of my mother cats do. When the kitten became a year old, the mother had to run away in order for her old kitten to leave her the heck alone.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      It's very doubtful that there is a physical need to nurse.  But it is even more doubtful that there is any harm being done, and probably still some good from transference of immunities.  So why quit?  Because it is no the norm in the US?  Seems a poor reason...

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I 'm not alone:
        Negative themes / Other people's opinions:

        "Mother’s needs: Mum doesn’t want to let go/wants to baby the child or not let him grow up/”needy mother”/Mother’s attachment issues/doing it for the mother’s needs, not the child’s.

        Evangelical mothers proving a point: Detrimental to the child. Promotes physical dependency in the child /confusing signals to the child/attachment issues.

        Child’s needs: Child doesn’t want to stop and mother doesn’t want to upset the child/”needy” child/comfort for the child (negative – i.e. shouldn’t use this for comfort if going to school.)

        Society’s needs: I feel uneasy/ don’t feel comfortable seeing an older child breastfed / society is not comfortable with it/taboo/ Boobs are too sexual in our society/like sex…it’s not for public consumption.

        Nutritionally unnecessary: Nutritionally not necessary beyond a certain age/not necessary in a developed country/if she is in a country where food was an issue I could understand.

        Just plain wrong. Inappropriate : “if they can speak, bite or climb into Mummy’s lap and help themselves then perhaps it is time to stop”.
        http://www.babymanualnotincluded.com/blog/?p=115

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        More:
        "However, I would worry whether the breastfeeding is for the benefit of the child or the mother’s emotional needs once the child is of school age. I also think that parents have a responsibility to be mindful of societal expectations once their child is socialising on their own (eg. school, nursery). Whilst I am pro parents challenging stereotypes and perceptions I think they need to be mindful of the potential negative impact this could have on their child (eg. being deemed ‘strange’ or rejected by peers)."

        "I think that breast feeding for too long may result in overly dependent attachment to the mother, and difficulty meeting the developmental challenges of separation. I also wonder about the impact on the relationship of the child with their father, and the parents’ relationship."
        http://www.babymanualnotincluded.com/blog/?p=115

  10. wildove5 profile image59
    wildove5posted 2 years ago

    I wonder how the conversation with the legal department will start, " We have a woman who works for us who has a five year old in the daycare.  Unfortunately she still breast feeds him and it's making the rest of us really uncomfortable.  You see WE think it is most unusual and in OUR opinion it needs to stop.  We are all too afraid to have an adult conversation with her regarding her personal choices. So do you think you could talk to her for us and if not, can we fire her?"  Are you serious?  This is has to be one of the most ignorant reactions I've heard of regarding breast feeding!  Unless she has her son suckling at her breast while she's talking with a client in her office,I say leave her be!  As for your concern to her child's well being, it sounds to me like he is very well taken care of!  Honestly, there are far more important and alarming issues regarding child welfare than the mother who's personal choices include breast feeding a 5 year old!  You know what makes me uncomfortable, ignorance!

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      It is beyond common sense to breastfeed past @ three.
      A boss can fire anyone based on whether he wants the person (a breast feeding woman, in this case,) around or not. It's his place of business. If this is not the case, heaven help America.
      TWISI

    2. Aneegma profile image75
      Aneegmaposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      She breastfeeds openly in the nursery and on one or two occasions she's been seen breastfeeding in her office, that's why it was referred to legal department. I'm not in the legal department so I have no idea what they will discuss. It's not that we are afraid to talk to her, people prefer to keep their jobs than risk it all for a breastfeeding woman.

      1. wildove5 profile image59
        wildove5posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I can understand referring to your legal department on advice as to whether or not they can implement a ruling regarding nursing her child in the office areas of the business.  However, firing her to avoid being made uncomfortable or because you don't agree with her lifestyle is just plain wrong!  But, I guess that's just the way society is these days.  We're all bullies, we infringe our beliefs and believe ours are the right and just ones and if you do not follow suit, we will push you out one way or the other!  Maybe the easier course of action for everyone would be to close the nursery, then everyone wins, no lawsuit, no breastfeeding issues, and no-one feels uncomfortable!

  11. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 2 years ago

    No.
    Unless...no!!! Kindergarten lunch just would not be comfortable.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      L  O   L   ! ! !

  12. janesix profile image61
    janesixposted 2 years ago

    For hundreds of thousands of years, humans have been breastfeeding up to around 7 years of age, in all different types of cultures. There's nothing wrong with it. They usually wean themselves, or get kicked out of mom's lap when a new baby comes along.

    I've heard WIC say's it's OK up till they start school, no problem. After that, it's really just a social issue for the kid. If the mom encourages it past that, it might be a problem. But as far as I know, kids generally wean themselves when left to it.

    And breastmilk IS best for a growing brain.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Just what we need. A nation of women nursing their seven year olds.
      Each to their own. It won't happen anyway… its not part of what is common to most psychologically sound women living in a civilized non-third world society.

      1. janesix profile image61
        janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I don't care anyway. I don't plan on having any babies. I personally would think it was strange to see a woman breast feed a 7 year old. But is it wrong, I doubt it. Hardly anyone would do it anyhow.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          It is wrong for the child!  He will be ridiculed, made fun of and be a target for finger pointing, giggling and shame... through no fault of his own…
          his mother's!
          A four year old is the most intelligent, gentle yet strong little person. Breast feeding is below him at this grand stage of development. There is nothing more beautiful than a weaned four year old.

          1. janesix profile image61
            janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            That's probably true. It's a cultural issue, though, not a biological one.

            But still, I probably shouldn't even be putting in my two cents, as I don't have any first hand knowledge.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              and you do it with such authority… don't worry, I will be your check.
              (...as long as my PC happens to be on HP.)

              1. janesix profile image61
                janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                That's fine I need all I can get.

                You know me, I have and opinion on everything. My brain just doesn't want to shut it off sometimes.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Me either.
                  I think its called addiction to presenting opinions through keyboarding on HP.  HP enables us so darn well, doesn't it?

                  1. janesix profile image61
                    janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't know. I spent all day away from HP, and I was going on and on about everything with my bf and his parents. Usually I'm practically silent. Everyone was happy when I took a Valium and finally shut up:)

                    Hypomanic, I'm sure of it. Someone also tried kicking me off my high horse today, so I've had a few lessons in humility recently. Have they sunk in yet? I'm not so sure.

          2. rebekahELLE profile image91
            rebekahELLEposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Obviously you've never worked with a classroom full of four year olds.  I wish more four year olds had been breastfed (or breastfed longer) instead of being raised on formula, gummies, frozen pastries, lunchables, juice bags and various other items disguised as food.  I am daily 'mystified', at what parents feed their children. Parents have their children addicted to sugar and they form a dependency on the sugar high.  Nothing beautiful about it at all. 

            In response to the OP, I don't see it as anyone's business but the mother and her family.  While beyond an age that I breastfed my sons, it doesn't indicate any future dependency issues for the five year old. Certainly there are no grounds for legal pursuit.  She was hired to do her job, leave her alone.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I worked in a Montessori classroom full of three and four year olds while working on a Montessori Certificate. In a true Montessori classroom you will see what I am talking about. My mentor produced many videos to reveal the principles of Montessori in action. Unfortunately, they were all misplaced during a move. They were priceless.  I am beyond sad about losing them.

            2. bethperry profile image88
              bethperryposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I don't see it as a reason to fire the woman. And I do think a lot of people are bothered by breastfeeding out of pure puritanical hangups. There is nothing sinful in a breast; the only thing "dirty" about them resides in the dirty mind of the one seeing sin where none exits.
              My personal concern in the child, and I guess my feelings are in part based on something I heard one woman say. She was breastfeeding her son after he was five years old and when I asked why he wasn't on solid food she replied she couldn't bear the idea of "losing" him. I left it at that, but I couldn't help but think she was letting her own fears intrude on the child's normal development.
              As far as the sugar subject goes, those curious about what breast milk is composed of, particularly the lactose sugar content, may wish to read http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/392766

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Good link.
                The sugar in breast milk is not processed...that fact makes all the difference. Table sugar is so processed it acts like a drug in the body, robbing it of vitamin B12 etc.

                (The book Sugar Blues explains the effects of processed white sugar. Macrobiotic philosophy claims that evolution is negatively affected when the mother consumes processed cane sugar while pregnant. Luckily there are many healthful substitutes today. The best is brown rice syrup.)

              2. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                MelissaBarrettposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Most children start on "solid food" at 6-12 months. Breastfeeding until the age of AT LEAST one is recommend. Breastfeeding until two is preferable because children can rarely digest the proteins in cows milk until 18 months or older.

                Which is an interesting question... why is it assumed that drinking from a cow's teat is somehow better than drinking from a human's? Does it bother you to drink a glass of cows milk?

                It's the physical act of breast-feeding a 5 year old that is making everyone uncomfortable. It should probably be questioned why that is. I would say probably that it has to do with everyone assuming that a woman's breasts are for sex and a cows teats are for nourishment...We're okay with slurping the liquid from the breast of another species but it's icky if it's our own? That's pretty messed up.

                It also implies that we are sexualizing children over infant age... just saying.

                If you put a cow in a bikini next to Fabio no one would ever drink milk again.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Most of us, (who have been/ are mothers,) are concerned about the effects on the child.

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                    MelissaBarrettposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    That's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing how most are concerned about what society will say.

                    But yes, you are completely right, I don't have any kids and if I did I wouldn't be concerned about them. roll

                  2. EncephaloiDead profile image58
                    EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    And, that is because you know what's best for other peoples children?

                    Please tell us then, about what effects exactly are you concerned? Keep in mind this little tidbit from the American Academy of Family Physicians:

                    "It has been estimated that a natural weaning age for humans is between two and seven years. Family physicians should be knowledgeable regarding the ongoing benefits to the child of extended breastfeeding, including continued immune protection, better social adjustment and having a sustainable food source in times of emergency. The longer women breastfeed, the greater the decrease in their risk of breast cancer. There is no evidence that extended breastfeeding is harmful to mother or child."

                  3. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Then why would you fire her?  So she could be an unemployed woman who breastfeeds a 5-year-old?  How is that in the child's interest?

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                  Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Male cows would. They're pigs.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    with horns.

                3. rebekahELLE profile image91
                  rebekahELLEposted 2 years ago in reply to this


                  Good point. I think you have probably hit the cause of agitation. If people are truly concerned about the psychological effects for the child, there are plenty of parental practices that have much more of a scarring effect on a child than a societal perception that prolonged breastfeeding will produce an overly dependent child/adult.  Perhaps in the post above about the mother who was concerned that she would 'lose' her child, the problem was a mental/emotional issue with the mother, not the act of breastfeeding itself.

                  We still have this overly sexual connection with the breast.  The breast was designed to nourish and nurture the child. 
                  More can be read here.
                  “The average age at weaning ranges anywhere from six months to five years… Claims that breastfeeding beyond infancy is harmful to mother or infant have absolutely no medical or scientific basis,” says Arthur Eidelman, MD, president of the Academy of Breastfeeding Medicine.  “Indeed, the more salient issue is the damage caused by modern practices of premature weaning.”  Academy of Breastfeeding Medicine

  13. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 2 years ago

    Banning breastfeeding in the nursery of the employees own office would be a PR disaster. Firing her for that reason would be a legal disaster.

    1. wildove5 profile image59
      wildove5posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, but i'm sure corporate America will be creative in the manner in which they fire her.  Perhaps she will be late coming back from lunch or something silly!  No worries, I'm sure they will cover their tracks because they have full knowledge that firing her for breastfeeding is WRONG!

  14. april holland profile image80
    april hollandposted 2 years ago

    Breast feeding a 5 year old is ridiculous! I breast fed mine and I have 3 children and let me tell you, that would make me uncomfortable too. 5 year olds are past the toddler stage, for goodness sake they are or should be going into kindergarten! How embarrassing for that 5 year old to be breast feeding when they should be beyond that. Just saying!!

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      Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      I remember being at a party once where a kid of 2 or 3 ran up to his mom and tapped on her breast. She unveiled the device, no blanket, nothing... and began the process. Although I am forever scarred,  it never occurred to me to sue her. I would imagine in other countries, social rules of acceptability are different, considering the scarcity of food. Here in the US... different story. If I had actual memories of breast feeding, I would have to spend a countless amount of money for therapy in order to forget.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        - exactly.

      2. EncephaloiDead profile image58
        EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You were forever scarred from seeing another woman's breast?

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          Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Surely there is a Christian on a nearby thread leaving them self open to insult.

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I am forever scarred after watching Rihanna's new music video. Yuk. What happened to her? oh sorry…
          Its just a saying, EDead.

          1. EncephaloiDead profile image58
            EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Would that be the "Pour it Up" video where she does little more than gyrate to really bad music?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I guess it's nothing to some people.

              (but having a little bit of ale, is way too much for those who never drink it.)

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        How about how embarrassing for that 5 year old unpacking a lunchable, a bag of doritoes, gummies and a bag of koolaid.  I wish!  What do we hold as a standard?

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        Beth37posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You're totally right... our kids are growing up on crap, but as far as socially acceptable, you have to admit, Doritos is gonna get him punched a lot less than being breast fed when some kids of the same age are playing T-ball.

        My daughter's school doesn't allow any sugar. It's a good choice I think.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          RebekkaELLE:
          Breast feeding is indeed the best thing for a child. But then a little honey is good...
          a lot is bad.

          We could do a whole forum about all the really bad parenting going on today.
          Including how children are being fed. It is bad.  It affects not only their mental abilities, their physical as well. I , at my advanced age, feel younger than most teens. I can still swim 60 laps in 1/2 hour, do cartwheels and somersaults. Many can't even touch their toes.
          (Sorry for TMI, Dr. Lamb.)

    3. EncephaloiDead profile image58
      EncephaloiDeadposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Just saying?

      What you and the OP are both failing to understand is that this is all about ignorance and intolerance, something you both appear to be exhibiting in spades. Most certainly, aside from your responses here, there are very likely plenty of things people find ridiculous about what you think and how you behave, yet they are probably tolerant and understanding towards you.

      You feel uncomfortable? So what? There are lots of things in this world that make us all uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean we try and get rid of the people around us who might make us uncomfortable, but instead we should seek to understand and accept people for who they are. If that were not the case, both you and the OP should leave as your intolerant posts here are excruciatingly uncomfortable.

      See how that works? smile

    4. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      April. Thanks for your common sense and very direct answer from a mom who knows.

      See how that works? smile

 
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