We all have a right to our own opinion, but...
I believe that is what is referred to as 'moving the goalposts' in the discussion.
Moving Goalposts very topical right now !
Nice to see that you CHOSE to pick only certain things from Jeff's OP.
Indeed it was very nice of me!
I ...COULD HAVE....said he had no right to talk about the Creator as some "great green" sneezing thing.....but I exercised my right to actually have a go at answering the main ingredient of his argument. And did so with a measure of simplicity and truth that's quite uncommon, dontcha think? Or not, knowing you!Brenda, my point was that you overlooked a piece of information, which is just like you.
If you are not sure, then I would suggest you re-read the OP over again. As opposed to the perfectly rational god who becomes his own son and murders himself to save humanity from the sin they are born into because the rib woman was convinced by the talking snake to eat a piece of fruit?
I firmly believe the universe was vomited by a giant Star Goat and - I have proof.I have converted. Sorry.
Can anyone tell anyone how an opinion is correct? In my opinion dogs are better then cats. To a cat lover, my love for dogs more than cats is ignorant. The cat lover would probably argue that I just don't know enough about cats to hold that opinion as correct.
I would then just say, doesn't matter. Even if cats could fly cars I would still think dogs are better than cats because that is my opinion.
It sounds to me that you both have too much time on your hands. Kiss and make up. You can, indeed, have a compromise. Both of you sit down and have an omelet. That way you can both agree that an egg HAS broke which now provides you nourishment.
clearly its simple
somebody has always got to be right
in and out of here
so the battle continues
have a nice day
omg haha
good one Jeff.
there is no rhyme or reason to religious discussions. even if there was a grand YouTube video in the sky showing the Big Bang (or even Earth being created by robots), some people still would not believe their own eyes. that is because they have faith, and part of being faithful is not allowing anyone or anything to sway your faith in your God. i personally don't think they resist because they want to be right.
p.s. i don't give a lot of credence to statistics and studies, only because they conflict each other often or contain crunchy numbers.
I reject evolution..
LHC is failed..
Synthetic Life is impossible..
There is no word manipulation of bible..
Yes, we all have a right to an opinion. However, in order for a useful discussion to take place, one must have their facts straight and a full understanding of the facts. Being open-minded about alternate views based on other factors you may not have considered is also essential.
Being dogmatic in your opinions is pointless if you don't understand the underlying concept that your opinion is based on.
Still, that's just my opinionThat's Fine............BUT...
could you pleae Try to sound like you know what you're talking about and can show that you have taken the time to have considered it in an intellectual manner beyond that of an amemba?
And Looking at Google Earth right now as we speak.... there seems to be someone stealing cars outside your house (CYA)-
It's funny how most people who do argue with a "religious" view, obviously do not see how skewed their views really are to begin with. There religion has taught them chasing their own tail is the only way to keep mysteries alive and myths from become gone.
Opinions, everyone has one and those who choose to take only portions of what is said "smaller structured sentences", and use them to suit their own opinions, obscure truth in everything they themselves say, whenever voicing their opinions.
To not re-evaluate our own individual understanding of a larger picture(one as large as society) is usually outside the range of the average person. It is their own refusal to continuing to educate themselves that is the foolishness you find in the forums.
Just a thought. - philip carey 61posted 13 years ago
0 - Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago0
developed = built? Can you not see how these are the same.
Yep, I do change my opinion often after reading certain arguments in the forum...
I like the OP 'cos I would have argued that eggs always break when you drop them - before I read the egg dropped-on-pillow statement. The explanation is valid enough for me to be informed that eggs USUALLY break when they're dropped...
Without reading on the OP perspective, I wouldn't have thought of any other scenario or possibility with eggs other than to break when dropped...but it's now NECESSARY for me to realize that, in certain situations, I might have to abandon my belief that eggs break when dropped... fortunately, my psyche, identity and self isn't heavily influenced by eggs, or else I could be in big trouble here. lol
As well, even though I like to examine narratives in scripture, Mark Knowles has given an interesting perspective on Christian deities with,
"As opposed to the perfectly rational god who becomes his own son and murders himself to save humanity from the sin they are born into because the rib woman was convinced by the talking snake to eat a piece of fruit?"
I'd have to say, although Christians won't like this, Mark Knowles isn't WRONG here...but is coming from a different perspective... I'm just surprised that Mark Knowles did not put the egg and pillow in here somewhere!
Hey, you know, "In matters controversial / my perception's always fine / I always see both points of view / the one that's wrong and mine"
Sorry, that probably doesn't add much to the discussion ...Okay, calm down.
From the moment a baby is born they are learning without being taught. A baby learns by:
1. Seeing for the first time
A. Light
B. Color
C. Faces
D. Shapes
2. Hearing for the first time
A. Their own cries
B. The sounds around them
3. Smelling for the first time
4. Feeling fabric against their skin, the touch of another human being, cold air
Are these learning opportunities a choice? No, its a natural occurance.
Naturally occurring learning opportunities continue throughout our lives. For instance: I do not know what an erupting volcano sounds like nor the smell of the hot lava as it's being spewed into the air. If I were ever in the vicinity of an erupting volcano I would learn what I don't currently know - was it a choice? No, it would be a naturally occurring learning opportunity because volcano eruptions cannot be predicted. (that may be an incorrect statement lol) I could use the circumstance of an earthquake instead...
As for parents being the only teachers of morals and values - Wrong. More and more babies are going into daycare at the age of 6 weeks. Who do you suppose is 'teaching' these babies while they're parents are working? If you could even say these babies are being taught. For the most part babies learn through natural learning opportunities, not through legitimate teaching methods - therefore they cannot be learning by choice. (sounds like we agree on that but for different reasons)
Do you disagree to an elementary school student being taught subjects not of their own choosing? They do not learn by choice, its required learning if they learn it. If they choose to learn the subjects required (because some do - everybody's different) there is also the natural learning opportunities of the playground which are not a choice of learning. Whether learning at this stage is from textbooks, playground or both - it isn't a conscious choice.
Cagsil - to be totally honest, I don't do something just because someone tells me to. Give me a good reason, give me time to think it over and if I think the reasons have sound logic I'll do my best to accept. Saying learning is a choice when it so obviously isn't lacks the logic required for me to accept what you said.
I do not believe everything I do is a conscious choice otherwise habits would not be able to be formed. Habits are habits, not conscious choices.
I think you're right about ----the choices you do not see is because you have stopped yourself from actively(choosing) to learn more.----- It makes sense to me, except...sometimes...I think sometimes all options are on the table. Or maybe, all known options are on the table. So, does that mean there are still more choices?
Learning opportunities due to surprise - lol, I can't imagine Qwark and I are the only ones to understand this. I wont repeat the erupting volcano example, or the earthquake. But I can also mention the hurricane or tornado. I haven't ever experienced these firsthand therefore if and when I do it will be a new learning experience - the difference on choice or surprise would be if I have the opportunity of choosing safety. (hurricanes are VERY predictable, tornadoes, not completely) I'll use a different example.
A few years ago two of my children were in a serous car accident (a new learning opportunity by surprise) I learned how I would react in such a situation. I learned how to take charge of the moment (I was at work when the hospital called) I learned my youngest could be counted on to prepare TV dinners so when I got home all we had to do was eat and leave for the hospital. I learned how to take care of 2 teenagers with concussions when they were released from the hospital. Now, were these learning opportunities by choice? No. These learning opportunities were forced upon me by the guy who ran a red light going 55 mph.
----Then you would know that your mind has seen more, been a witness to, more knowledge than your perspective has ever saw.----
I believe this leads to intuition? We are talking about whether or not learning is a choice - not whether or not the mind absorbs what is seen, witnessed, heard, learned.
- sandra rinckposted 13 years ago0
We all have the right to an opinion however in my opinion, my opinion is better than your opinion because logically my opinion counts and your opinion is just an opinion. doh! lol
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- Chasukposted 13 years ago0
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