Attention Unbelievers What does God....
God will never do such a thing as he has no ego which Christians like you have.Everyone is a master or to be master-Guru Nank.
I am the son of God like Jesus was or is.Jesus was considered a fasle prophet in his times and was crucified by poeple like you who could not understand properly what he was saying..How can my book get ranked 1 till date in religious or spiritual poetry if I am a fake?
Being enlightened I understand Jesus a lot better than you do.
This is like the Mulisms saying your religion is nonsense and Islam is the only way-fanatics.
I found my evidence in the Light and did not have to look at any holy book including the holy Bible.
I would like the burning chariot drawn by four white horses descending from the heavens please.
Whenever he is ready............
What will convince you that I do not need saving and am not going to be judged?
I have to say though, the way you comport yourself is just more proof of the non-existence of god.
Thanks.
From what I have seen posted on this forum, I am (absolutely) convinced, now more than ever, "salvation is a miracle".
For God to give the gift of repentance, and salvation to any man, has to be a miracle. But,like any gift, if after it is offered, and refused (to be accepted), there is not much He CAN do. He does not force the gift on anyone. Those who don't want it, as some here don't, they won't be forced to have it.
Atheists, you are all safe from "forced salvation", so relax !!!
Want it?
Accept the gift?
Won't be forced?
Do not need it would be a more appropriate way of expressing it.
You might be a worthless sinner in need of salvation, but I am not.
Dontthinkaboutit never seems to understand that when he tells me I am worthless and in need of salvation, and his imaginary friend is going to judge me and burn me in a pit of fire for all eternity, this is mildly offensive, although amusing at the same time.It all hinges on ONE concept, "sin". The Bible teaches that all are "sinners", therefore deserving of judgment and in need /salvation. Of course, atheism and (many) religions, either deny sin, or dismiss it (sin that is). So, I understand what you are saying.
You are an animal, ( all be it, more "evolved"), and are not a "sinner" per se, just doing what nature intended for you to do. So, no action is deemed "judge-able" (good word huh?)
You see, I am not ignorant of your ways.
That's why there are no moral/legal absolutes either, because it's all "relative", and therefore we(you) are not accountable!
It makes perfect sense for you to hold to your position!But this means you do not think I hold myself accountable for my actions. Whereas I do hold myself accountable.
You, on the other hand can claim to be an "imperfect," christian, and not worry about it because you are going to heaven because you believe. Or have asked for forgiveness. This means you can do as you please without consequence.
What a convenient get-out.
It makes perfect sense you would hang on to this lack of accountability.So, you think you are "better" than an atheist.
With higher moral standards.
Which then leads me to point out the obvious flaws in this statement.
You are not "better" than me:
If this was true, christians would behave in more obviously "better" ways. Which leads me to believe none of you are really christians and do not really believe. Imagine what the world would be like if christians behaved the way they said everyone should behave.
When you fall short and do not act according to his standards, you are forgiven anyway. Which makes this accountability worthless.
Even you must agree that, according to your book, no one is capable of judging anyone and holding anyone accountable except your god. Therefore you are not able to hold yourself accountable, because only your god will judge you.
Which is why history shows us that christians behave at least as badly, if not worse (because they are claiming some higher authority) than anyone else. I myself have seen this with my own eyes, so it is not just a question of "believing," this is the case.
Therefore believing in god is a pointless, destructive, even counter-productive, waste of time.
Therefore there is no god.
Which is one of the many reasons I choose not to believe in yours.
Thank you.
God loves you like he loved Jesus and all of humanity unconditionally.Bottom line just be a good human. :)No human is worthless but all are sages or children of god.
Its not upto you.I was an atheist and got enlightened or attained salvation and so can Mark or any other atheist on this planet.It is not important to have Jesus as your personal saviour.
Every single human no matter if he does or does not have or believe in a religion or master can go beyond.The master is a stepping stone to the Light
Mark, your not being very fair at all. I never implied I was better than anyone. If anything, I think I'm less than most.
If anyone knows their faults and limitations, it's me. All I was saying was that I strive to live to a higher standard than just my own.
I make no defence for the actions of others, nor do I escuse them, I am merely accountable for my own life. Whether I stand or fall, I do so alone. There will be no-one to hide behind on that day. As to how He judges me, I know one thing for sure, it will be "just"!
You being a believer or not will have zero effect in that.
You can love us (believers), hate us, despize us ridicule us, doesn't matter. One thing is for certain, we are here, and in your face.
Didn't someone mention the word "tolerance" in society? Or does that only apply for some?You said you are held accountable to a higher standard than your own. And my inference, MY own also.
So, if that does not make you an "better," than me, what difference does this make?
None.
Why should I be tolerant of people who tell me I am sinful and need to be redeemed, or I will burn in hell for all eternity?
Why should I be tolerant of people who keep their children from being exposed to genuine educational facts to teach them lies?
Why should I be tolerant of people who tell me they are "better" than me?
Why should I be tolerant of people who use god as an excuse to spread war and hatred?
Why should I be tolerant of people who spend millions of dollars spreading this rubbish?
Now, if you followed Thomas Jefferson's credo that what you believe is between you and your god, I would be very tolerant of that.
But, no, you feel the need to spread this rubbish and stand up and argue that proven scientific facts are just another "belief."
Yes you are here, and in my face. I was forced to sit through hours and hours of religious claptrap being shoved down my throat as a child and young man.
If you hadn't been so aggressively in my face, telling me what I needed to do to be as "good" as you, I would probably be more tolerant of your silly, war-mongering religion.
And I mean "you," collectively.As, I said, I was using the collective "you."
And the only thing I have ever done, is make fun of "you."
So, I am quite comfortable with how my "intolerance," manifests itself.
It is very unlikely I will be reaching for a pile of wood and burning "you," at the stake.
I am not trying to twist your words. What I am trying to do is show you what I hear when you say things.
It seems a great shock to many believers that when they say they believe in an all-powerful god, and this god is going to burn me in hell because I don't believe in it, that I might get a little offended by that. Especially when they do not demonstrate the ability to follow any of the so-called commandments they claim to follow and manage to twist just about every single one of them to suit themselves.
Yes, I know the book that you believe is 100% perfect says I will burn in hell for all eternity.
Not that that gives you any responsibility or accountability I know you did not write it, but it is "plausible," to you.
So, if you are not better than me because you strive to meet god's standards and fail, what is the point ?
And if you do not think that you going to heaven, and me burning in hell makes you "better" than me, what exactly do you think?Mo, I have now decided that you do mean well, but -
This is not what christians believe.
Their god is a jealous and angry god, who requires specific things from you before you are accepted into the kingdom of heaven. And many will be excluded.
This is why I spend a portion of my energy arguing with them. If you use the word "god," they are hearing a very different word to the one you are saying.
Hence the AtheismMark- Do you believe in as you sow so you reap. If you treat others with love and kindness then the results you get back should also be the same.
They should be the same, but often are not.
The best I have come up with is treating them honestly. I usually poke them with a stick first, see how they react and then treat them accordingly.
Works for me, and I get fewer nasty surprises
Thats their lack of understanding God.Who gave Jesus salvation?-God.
The same way prophets can be used as stepping stones to the light or one can go directly bypassing everything .I understand your viewpoint.
Two men are floating in the sea. Both are about to die. A lifeline is thrown to both. One decides to grab a hold, the other sees it as futile, and refuses.
One is "saved" the other is not. Who's fault is it?
How is the one saved better than the one who perishes?
That's what I think!
Ah, so it is my fault.
If I just accepted the lifeline you know about and have been telling me I should accept, I too would be saved?
And all I need to to is agree with you and say I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior and I too could spend eternity in heaven.
What a pity you have persuaded me it is all garbage. I mean, how can I possibly take anything you say as worthwhile when you have spent so much energy trying to persuade me the earth is a few thousand years old and some silly computer model is good enough proof for you that the grand canyon could have formed in a short space of time?
So, really, it is your fault.
Is that a burning in hell for all eternity sort of fault?Why am I the one on the high horse?
Maybe I am the one who has seen the light.
You are the one telling me that science is BS, and there is a far more plausible explanation and if I wanted to I could be saved just like you are and it is my fault I am not going to be saved.
Just like the Muslim who was here the other week telling me it was my fault that I had to read a translation of his book because I do not speak Arabic.
Ok Mark, let me rephrase that. Remove the (high), and just read horse, (metaphorical).
And "see the light as (Saul) did, "the blinding light that was (His) presence".
I have no doubt you have "seen the light" to which you now hold.
BTW, why ridicule computer models in one instance, and accept them in another. And I never said my example was a "computer" model, but a real live event in the 80's.
PS, Re-"fault", you draw your own conclusions!
On "judgment day" each one will give an account for themselves", you have my permission to say, "It was all dj's fault I am the way I am. He wrote garbage that mademe this way" (or similar, use your own words!)All computer models are equal.
Some are more equal than others.
Oh, that light. No, I have seen a different one. Much, much better, backed up by science and everything - you should try it.
That's why we are in "different camps"
Science,(one camp) with all its revelations, is "incapable" of delving into the "paranormal, or supernatural", (the other camp).
It's ok, our worlds do meet. Some call it a fence.
It's sitting in the middle (on the fence) that is most uncomfortable.
Thanks Mark.
I appreciate conversing with you.
In the "real world" (as opposed to cyberspace), we would probably have never done it. Certainly not for so long, and so openly.My pleasure
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