Mexican Cartels Control Arizona

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   SparklingJewelposted 13 years ago

   unbelievable!...
   
   http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Mexi … ode=AA6D-1

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      Rasman1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I live in AZ and I don't see it. In fact I am 45 minutes from the border. The cartels are not controlling Tucson. I still believe a military presence is essential. The sheriffs in the article act like frighten chickens. If you know they are in the hills and mountains then go get their asses. Stop making this an issue with Obama to push a political agenda. Where were these officers over the last 8 years or 20 years. The are trying to scare the hell out of people that don't live here and the are making Az look bad. Read our newspapers here in Tucson Arizona. You wont read murders by Drug Cartels but by American citizens. Look up Arizona Republic newspaper and read our articles. How many mention Drug cartel violence in Tucson or any part of southern Az hardly none period.

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         SparklingJewelposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ...I think the point of the article stemmed from the signs the government had put up warning people to beware of violent activity...instead of securing the area in question

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      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. Scary. Things have gotten out of hand.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is the problem with "fair and balanced" type news sources.  They conveniently leave out the parts of the story that discredit their hyperbole.  The Pinal county Sheriff quoted is one of the tiny minority of Arizona law enforcement officers who supports SB1070.  Like all wingnuts, he has to whip up mindless hysteria to counter the facts that disprove his claims.
      
      One of his cohorts, Governor Jan Brewer, stumbled badly in last night's debate.  In true Palinesque fashion, she lost her place in the crib notes supplied by her staffers and simply mumbled something about "doing what's right for Arizonans".  Her challenger took her to task for fabricating a story similar to the one you referenced - claiming that dozens of headless corpses were recently found in the Arizona desert; presumably the handiwork of the Mexican horde invading our state.
      
      She was asked where the story came from, since no news source could verify her account.  Her response was to question Goddard's connections to labor unions.
      
      The dreaded "lame stream media" at her post-debate press conference peppered the governor with questions about her fabrication.  Her response this time?
      
      "Thank you, good night".

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         weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The vast majority of Arizonans support her and SB1070, which is, in itself, absolutely nothing radical or unusual or outlandish.   It is merely echoing federal law that says what the states can ask it to do and what it will do.
         
         I find it amazing that you think that the the LEO who are in favor of SB 1070 are "tiny wingnut minority".    Why would you write such things, unless you're writing as an advocate, rather than an honest person?   It's patently untrue, and there's no way you could not know that's wrong. 
         
         The fact that you go so such great lengths to be wrong, and so dramatically wrong tends to indicate you know you have no case at all for your side, and are trying to change the subject with loud screaming and off topic blabbing.

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   readytoescapeposted 13 years ago

   Beyond the fact the federal Government is bordering on idiocy
   (okay we have border problems there too)and we apparently we no longer need the troops in Iraq,
   send’em to Arizona.
   
   Hell we’re paying them anyway, might as well solve a problem and let them get so good Tex-Mex in the process, beats the crap out of MRE’s.

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   Doug Hughesposted 13 years ago

   "MEXICO CITY — Police on Monday captured a Texas-born accused drug kingpin known for his unlikely nickname — La Barbie — and for ruthlessly ordering the beheadings of his enemies.
   
   Edgar Valdez-Villarreal, 37, was captured in the town of Lerma in the state of Mexico, about 20 miles from the capital, marking the third major accused drug lord to fall in Mexico in less than a year and giving a boost to President Felipe Calderon.
   
   Government spokesmen said a massive operation with 1,200 officers took part in the culminating moments of a yearlong effort to capture Valdez-Villarreal.
   
   The arrest dealt "a high impact blow to organized crime," said Alejandro Poire, a spokesman for Calderon's national security team. Poire said Valdez-Villarreal had ties to gangs operating in the United States.."
   
   
   
   Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/30/9 … z0yKKUBpgl
   
   Bottom Line - We have met the enemy and he is us.

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      readytoescapeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Bottom Line? Edgar Valdez-Villarreal?
      
      You have got to be kidding?

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         Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm just pointing out that the violence on the borrder also has roots in US citizens who are brutal criminals helping run the gangs in Mexco. The drug trade which drives the cartels has a huge and powerful network on THIS side of the border - which is supplying weapons to the cartels.
         
         One may wish to believe that the 60 BILLION dollar drug trade is controlled by a few Hells Angels bikers - but I suspect high profits go to the most affluent levels of society who protrect the trade without regard to laws on either side of the border.

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            C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Could be US. Have you considered that he may have been an anchor baby? Even if not the case, you know that he was recruited by local gangs under the controll of Mexican drug cartels. You have said so in your post.
            
            We can agree that the illegal drug industry always leads to suffering, violence or death

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            Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Very true. Also, most of the guns are smuggled into Mexico from the U.S.

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               weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               LOL, that's so unsupported factually.     Why would you buy it?

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   Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

   Did anybody notice that the drug kingpin they captured in Mexico was an American who grew up in Laredo? He was shipping 10 tons of cocaine from Mexico into the U.S. every month.

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   jwayposted 13 years ago

   $113 billion is spent on marijuana every year in the U.S., and because of the federal prohibition *every* dollar of it goes straight into the hands of criminals. Far from preventing people from using marijuana, the prohibition instead creates zero legal supply amid massive and unrelenting demand.
   
   According to the ONDCP, at least sixty percent of Mexican drug cartel money comes from selling marijuana in the U.S., they protect this revenue by brutally torturing, murdering and dismembering countless innocent people.
   
   If we can STOP people using marijuana then we need to do so NOW, but if we can't then we need to legalize the production and sale of marijuana to adults with after-tax prices set too low for the cartels to match. One way or the other, we have to force the cartels out of the marijuana market and eliminate their highly lucrative marijuana incomes - no business can withstand the loss of sixty percent of its revenue!
   
   To date, the cartels have amassed more than 100,000 "foot soldiers" and operate in 230 U.S. cities, and Arizona police are now conceding that parts of their state are under cartel control. The longer the cartels are allowed to exploit the prohibition the more powerful they're going to get and the more our own personal security will be put in jeopardy.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "but if we can't then we need to legalize the production and sale of marijuana to adults with after-tax prices set too low for the cartels to match."
      
      Here lies the problem....The only way I see to do that is to subsidize it..... any other ideas?
      
      Also the illegal guys just wont disapear. They have built the trade and have a track record of killing to protect it. Don't you think they would go after legal growers? How would we protect them? Again taxes....its a vicious circle.

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      weholdthesetruthsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      There is also an unrelenting demand for 13 year old hookers.   Do you propose the same rationale for dealing with it?    If this is the logical way to fix problems, then it's the logical way.   
      
      Or, maybe it is not.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   Exactly. Legalize drugs. Check out this website: LEAP.
   
   And stop selling guns to drug lords. Guns-for-proft+drugs-for-profit...what do you expect???

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      C.J. Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I can see it now....Illegal drug runners rushing to get their state and federal tax ID's!LOL

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   The biggest issue behind the Mexican cartels are their American government enablers..
   
   The School of the Americas is at it again...

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