Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam

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   skyfireposted 13 years ago

   You really needs to see this if you think Islam is tolerant or gives any freedom.
   
   http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cairo_Dec … s_in_Islam
   
   Now if anyone wants to say that out of X population count there can't be large number of non-peaceful and less-tolerant crowd then this declaration can open your eyes. Not being hysterical here because it is just declaration of one region and not all islamic countries.

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      alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have just read it and can see nothing in it that is a problem.  What is it in there that bothers you - the bit about freedom, anti-colonialism, anti-slavery or what ?

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         skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Okay let me pick article from. In this draft they claim about equal rights to females- but as per sharia law no female should live without muhrim(husband,father,brother),they can't marry non-muslim and have no freedom to live outside decisions of muhrim and sharia law.still see no catch?
         
         If you've any experience with sharia law then you can easily see through this declaration which is drafted as per sharia law.

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            alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It seems a whole lot less intimidating or strange than many religious sects in America, or cross denominational marriage in Northern Ireland.  Your link with Shariah law is in your mind only - (Kirkegaard: "There is nothing outside the text") - it is not in the text except where they have written it.
            
            The way they 'see' females in their culture is their business, is it any worse than the way christian see women as objects and commodities that leads to sexualising children among other things ?  Do you really think chanting over and over "The Lord God our FATHER" isn't doing exactly the same thing ?

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               skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               lol. Yes its no diffrent than fundamental christians. My point with this thread was there is no humanism in this declaration if its inspired by sharia law.

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                  alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I think this is mostly in your reading - to me it looks just fine and a situation I could live in without too much problem.  It looks a better declaration of human rights than is the current real situation in America.

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                     skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You are relating it with situations in america while i'm relating it with that in asia. So that way your opinion differs with mine.  I'm surprised to see that paar doesn't subscribe to sharia laws-which is good thing.

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                        alternate poetposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Well - I live in Asia although I am from the UK.  My understanding of Sha'ria law is that it is applied differently everywhere depending on the community.  It is applied by clerics or judges from within that community and the law only applies to that community.  I also understand that the screaming noises we hear about it are just noise mostly.  There is no chance of it ever being applied outside Muslim communities.  The bad stuff we hear about stoning for adultery and chopping off of hands etc are the excessive aspects in one place or another, it is not hard to point out bad laws in any other country, including the US, that do bad things to people - if not so directly.  If a balanced view is taken we can consider the far higher moral values of Muslim communities, the almost toal absence of stealing in some Muslim countries, and the low divorce rate.  I would not like these laws applied to me - but that doesn't mean they are not what those communities want and so are none of our business directly.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   This declaration does not represent Islam/Muhammad. Quran, the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam ,whatever the denomination, has not even once quoted or mentioned in it.

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   DevLinposted 13 years ago

   Are my meds messing with me, or are you two daffy? Skyfire must have a problem with article 10. No other religions can convert muslims under duress. Par must want the qu'ran to go back to Taliban interpretation, and keep those females from the same as men. Equal pay in jobs, housing,health care, education. That thing sounds more and more westernized than ever. No more selling of family members, what's the problem? The anti converting thing? It doesn'y say you can't decide for yourself. In fact, it guarantees the right to personal freedom. They want to convert, they can on their own. As for not mentioning qu'ran, that's what Shari'ah is. And ever changing with the times religious law. Women are still not to be seen as sexual objects. Shame on them bastards!

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Shari'ah is a later terminology not used in Quran and never used by Muhammad. Quran is flexible ,rational and universal; shari'ah is static and does not cover other regions of the world; and West in particular.

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         skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yes. Sharia is static and the problem is it has no tolerance to other faiths,freedom of expression in general.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         @paar it doesnot matter what you or me think sharia is..what matters is what masses in muslims think about it..and they believe shariah to be law by allah...

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      skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't have problem with article 10,i expected that from religious country.
      
      What concerns me is sharia law which is heavily refuted by liberal muslims. They know the catch behind those articles when it is referenced by sharia law.

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   Beelzedadposted 13 years ago

   This article says it all:
   
   "The Islamic Shari'ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification to any of the articles of this Declaration."
   
   Quite frankly, I don't any human rights at all based on that one article.

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