Terms and conditions

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   Carrie Forewordposted 13 years ago

   Hi
   
   I'm new here and just getting my head around how to approach things. (If this is the wrong place to ask, can a moderator please move the post to the right place and explain why. If this has been asked and answered before, could you point me to the answer please. Thanks.)
   
   The questions are to do with the Terms of Use
   
   Item 6 Proprietary Rights, Content Ownership
   '...and for a commercially reasonable time thereafter...' (The phrase 'commercially reasonable time' comes up again in the same section re preserve and store.)
   Can you throw light on what is a 'commercially reasonable time' please? Are we talking three months, six months, a year?
   
   Item 9 Earning Money Through HubPages - Impression Program Participation
   HubPages will rotate Your third party ID into 60% of the impressions on the Hubs you create. (And similarly into 20% of the impressions on Hubs created by people I refer, etc.)
   Can you throw light on how that rotation is done? Is it based on clock time? Known peak traffic flows? What?
   
   Many thanks in anticipation.
   
   Carrie F

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   You hubs are yours as long as you're a member. Does that help.
   
   As for the rotation of the ID's. You will not get any further explanation, because there isn't a specific time frame.

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   Website Examinerposted 13 years ago

   Concerning commercially reasonable: In practice, hubs are expunged from HubPages servers approximately 24 hours after you have deleted them. There is nothing to be concerned about. However, contents may be around on the Internet for some time, e.g. Google cache and HubPages' indexes.
   
   Concerning rotation of IDs, suggested reading:
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/59427

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      Carrie Forewordposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the link, it pointed me on to http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/26942 and indeed [url]http://hubpages.com/hub/Referrals[url]Helpful, thanks.
      
      I would still like more light on 'commercially reasonable time' please - anyone?
      
      I know this is a different case, but... if you write for an online magazine and you bother to negotiate 'rights' (which you should IMHO) then a typical outcome might be that you give the magazine a three months exclusive from the date of publication, nine months continued use on the website, and thereafter (after 1 year) you can formally withdraw your article (written notice usually).
      
      However, you are also given to understand by most upfront online magazine publishers that their magazines are archived in perpetuity in their entirety on their website. Thus you know pretty explicitly the territory in which you are working. So, after you explicitly withdraw your content you know that it might still be found on their site by a search but you also know that the publisher is not permitted to use or promote it, etc.
      
      Knowing the territory (and the tools) is oft-times important 'stuff' in terms of plagiarism, copy theft, re-print rights, and so on. Thus I think the term 'commercially reasonable time' is 'fluffy' - for all parties.
      
      It may well be that you are correct Website Examiner in that deleted content will expunge from frontline servers in 24 hours; and certainly content will be around in distributed Internet caches for very much longer. However, we are talking about the right 'for a commercially reasonable time thereafter [we have deleted content] (for HubPages) to reproduce, publicly display, publicly perform, distribute, modify, and publish the Hub content (that we deleted/withdrew)...'
      
      So... I'd like further illumination about the meaning of the said phrase if possible.
      
      Thanks.

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   Website Examinerposted 13 years ago

   Once a hub has been deleted, its URL is returned to the pool. The article no longer exists. Summaries made for indexing may stay in the system somewhat longer, until the next update, but that's about it as far as I know.
   
   HubPages staff seldom responds on these threads; you may want to contact them directly:
   
   http://hubpages.com/contact_us/

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   Susana Sposted 13 years ago

   Hi Carrie, the content you publish on Hubpages is yours forever. Hubpages do not take over rights on that content at any time. http://hubpages.com/faq/#whoownscontent
   
   I'm not sure what the commercially reasonable time bit means exactly, but as Website examiner said I'm pretty sure it's to do with cached pages.

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   thisisoliposted 13 years ago

   I wouldn't worry about that clause in the contract too much.  When you delete a hub it immediately gets removed from public view.  It then takes a further 24 hours for it to be deleted from your account (A grace period incase you change your mind).
   
   Most websites include a reasonable time clause simply because there are so many automated systems which might link to and show snippets of your content, that they need to cover themselves.  The word commercial usually indicates that Hubpages has no obligation to go out of it's way to remove the debris from your content faster than it's automated systems (Again  usually much less than 24 hours anyway). You might also find that snippets of your work are used in say the Hupages newsletter or the Hubnuggets to help promote your work, it would be fairly commercially unreasonable for Hubpages to remove every trace of your work.
   
   Likewise it is not commercially viable for Hubpages to manually remove your article from Google Cache, this may take a little bit longer.
   
   You always have the right to remove your work from Hubpages, and I have never seena single complaint about work being held and used in an amoral way.  I am pretty sure that what you are looking at is simply a 'cover ass' clause.

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