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Stacie Lposted 13 years ago
Lie of the Year: Readers' poll results

By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Thursday, December 16th, 2010 at 11:29 p.m.

We asked PolitiFact readers to pick what they thought was the most significant lie of the year in 2010, and 3,289 people voted. The decisive winner was the same one PolitiFact editors and reporters selected for the Lie of the Year: the claim that the new health care law is a "government takeover."

Here are the readers' poll results:

1. ObamaCare is a "government takeover" of health care. -- Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio; Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla.; the Republican Party of Florida; Lt. Gov.-elect Rebecca Kleefisch, R-Wis.; and others: 43.9 percent

2. "The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day." -- Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., 19.2 percent

3. "The stimulus has not created one private sector job." -- Gov.-elect Rick Scott, R-Fla., and others: 13.9 percent

4. "Ninety-four percent of small businesses will face higher taxes under the Democrats' plan." -- Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, and others: 8.8 percent

5. The ethics report "exonerates me." -- Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., 6.7 percent

6. "Taliban Dan" Webster thinks wives should submit to their husbands. -- Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., 2.6 percent

7. "Phoenix is the No. 2 kidnapping capital of the world." -- Rep. John McCain, R-Ariz., and others: 1.8 percent

8. Other: 1.6 percent

9. Republicans want to dismantle or privatize Social Security. -- Florida Democratic Party and others: 1.5 percent

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/art … l-results/
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are those votes based on just opinion or are they based on the voters view of the facts?
  Not judging the validity of the the ranking, just wondering what the background of the voters was. I can skew any statistic or poll any way I would like to, so I'm pretty sure others can as well.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  #9 Is true of many, if not most Republicans.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
#2 was also said by Jon Stewart.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Shows you the power of a calculated Psy-op.

Now we enter the punishment phase, otherwise known as Right-Wing Lunatics in charge.

It will be brutal for poor people. Brutal. And many more will become poor.

But rich deserve all their money Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH.
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  logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Merry Christmas, LMC! Hope your indigestion is better in the New Year!
  Just curious, if you don't mind, are you poor or rich?
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  Neil Sperlingposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rich or Poor? - Are states of mind and nothing more!
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  WalterDamageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are certain things in this universe that are constant, sunrise, sunset, death, taxes, and of course lovemychris' constant wealth envy babblings....
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Slanted babbling coming from someone who hates Limbaugh?
  
  You will fail to see the irony, I'm sure...
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Chris may slant to the left, but her position that the corporate backers of Fox News are systematically feeding misinformation and stoking fear and anger in their viewers is accurate and substantiated by both leaked internal memos and the facts that she enumerated above.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because fear mongering can only come from those whose views you do not support, right?
  
  Welcome to politics, champ. The Right and Left exist to contradict each other -- fear-induced commentating will ensue.
  
  If you think it only comes from those evil Fox hax0rzzz then please awaken from your delusion.
  
  ------------
  
  BTW that's an awesome looking cat.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that fear mongering comes from both sides, but Chris was specifically talking about Fox "News." It is especially insidious when an organization claims to be reporting the news, in a "fair and balanced" manner no less, while simultaneously plotting ways to lie to their viewers.
  
  I actually watch Fox News, EP. I'm well aware that fear mongering comes from both sides, but I'm also well aware of which side has a well-oiled corporate fake news organization supporting it.
  
  Edited to add: Yeah, that's my cat. She IS awesome.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Any slant is going to come with lies/exaggerations/distortions -- left or right. Some people are just willing to look past it when this slant falls within their "comfort zone" of politics.
  
  Fox business has been covering the Federal Reserve a lot more lately -- a HUGE step in the right direction, and an issue most have been reluctant to tackle.
  
  Also, they gave Judge Napolitano a prime time slot Mon-Fri. He is a strong anti-war advocate, as well as a huge critic of the Patriot Act and other government, war-based intrusions on the privacy of citizens. Because of this, he clashes in a big way with right-wing establishment philosophies. It's nice to see him on Fox, just as it's nice to see Morning Joe on MSNBC.
  
  Even attacking Fox is motivated by political slant. Again, "lefties" criticize Fox for being politically biased without even realizing that their disdain for this news organization is rooted in their own political bias!
  
  And I'm not even a fan of Fox, honestly. But I'm not a fan of MSNBC either. Sure, I'll watch both because it does the human soul some good to hear both sides, but I've learned to take the news delivered to me by mainstream media with a grain of salt. F**k Bill O'Reilly and f**k Lawrence O'donnell.
  
  And yeahhh I'm a proud owner of two felines myself haha! Cats FTW
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand what you're saying but I honestly believe you are engaging in false equivalencies. The level of outright lying is astronomically higher on the right than it is on the left. That is simply a fact.
  
  Just a little anecdote for you. Some people here already know I'm married to a conservative Republican; that's why I see more Fox News than I ever would on my own, which is probably good in some ways but that's a whole other conversation.
  
  My husband and I were watching Obama's speech on race. We watched it on CNN (neutral terroritory, sort of, lol). Then my husband switched to Fox News so he "could get their take on it" (his words). Practically the first thing out of Sean Hannity's mouth was an outright lie, along the lines of "Barack Obama just said...[insert lie - I can no longer remember what it was]." I said nothing, but my husband practically leapt out of his chair and yelled "that's not true!" We had just watched the speech, so the lie was obvious, but if my husband hadn't seen the speech, he probably would have believed Hannity. Now, he doesn't trust anything Hannity has to say, although he still watches others on Fox News. So far, he has never reacted that way to anything he has heard or seen on MSNBC. He disagrees with the analysis, but he has never jumped up and said, "that's not true!"
  
  My disdain for that news organization is not motivated by my political bias. It is motivated by my intellectual need for truth. Period.
  
  Before 9/11, I used to watch Fox News every morning before I went to work. In fact, I was watching Fox News when the attacks occurred. But something happened after 9/11. I couldn't stand listening to their constant fear-mongering, their refusal to factually evaluate the runup to the war. All networks were guilty of this, but Fox added cries of "traitor" to anyone who disagreed with the war or with Bush's ridiculous overreaction to anything related to terrorism.
  
  Anyway, I'm ranting, but regardless of my little anecdotes, every objective study that has been done has concluded that Fox News misinforms their viewers. And memos leaked from their own news desks confirms that they intentionally distort and mislead.
  
  No, the right and left are not the same in this regard. You can try to pretend they are, but they clearly are not.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty, Sean Hannity is not a news person.
  
  That is where you and others are very confused, Hannity is a commentator, he is not delivering news but rather his view on the news.
  
  Its not the same thing.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not stupid, Jim, I know he's not a journalist, but what legitimate news organization calls itself "fair and balanced" while allowing lies to be told unchallenged on the air? This was post-speech analysis; actual journalists were present, or should I say, pretend journalists were present.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "what legitimate news organization calls itself "fair and balanced" while allowing lies to be told unchallenged on the air?"
  
  MSNBC?
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Link?
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, I'm just exposing my bias.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, personal stories don't do much justice --
  
  I was watching MSNBC the other day. Ed's representation of Rand Paul's take on the civil rights was outrageous! He completely distorted the guy's views, making him seem like a racist jerk. Boy howdy did I jump out of my chair and say "That's not true!", but ole Ed just kept on spewing the slant.
  
  But MSNBC isn't as bad, right?
  
  Of course it isnt, because that wouldn't make sense now would it? After all, how can a media outlet that caters to YOUR point of view be as bad as FOX? No, only something opposite from what you believe could be distorting the truth.
  
  What you need to understand is the same people who criticize Fox, but hold dearly to their hearts O'Donnell and HuffPost, have the SAME EXACT mentality as those who criticize Obama while clinging to Hannity and the Bible. Both think "I'm not bias, I just want the intellectual truth!" without realizing that they are playing their part in deteriorating the media by outright favoring one slant over the other as "the truth".
  
  Hey, you totally seem like a smart person. I'm not trying to offend you. It's just that, well, the person who thinks that Fox is the greater evil in this world of political slant is only kidding themselves.
  
  I hope one day slant in general angers you, not just the right-wing kind.
  
  Best wishes to you and your kitty.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What you don't seem to acknowledge is that while MSNBC employs commentators who are obviously slanted, as does CNN and Fox, neither CNN nor MSNBC has a stated mission to intentionally cater to one political ideology.
  
  Most recently:
  
  Leaked Fox News Memo Reveals News Division Told to Echo GOP Talking Points
  
  You are making an awful lot of assumptions about me and you barely know me, EP. Yes, I am biased, and I've never claimed not to be. That doesn't change the fact that Fox News was created to serve as a media disinformation campaign for the right while claiming to be "fair and balanced" and intentionally misinforming its viewers.
  
  To me, ideas are either good or bad, regardless of where they come from. It just so happens that I generally favor ideas coming from the progressive side. I've seen a lot of crap on MSNBC and CNN, too, but it pales in comparison to the idiocy of Fox News. They are not equally bad, no matter how much you would like to pretend they are.
  
  Heck, I can watch Fox News for trends in talking points and predict the next right-wing outrage to crop up on the forums. Same language, same stupidity, all espoused by the same people.
  
  Edited to add: It takes a LOT to offend me. I live with a Republican.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In reference to your link...
  
  Fox purposely calls it a "government" option rather than a "public" option to stir emotion in support of their right-wing rhetoric.
  
  Sounds kind of familiar, though. MSNBC loves to use the word "tax giveaways" instead of "tax cuts".
  
  All I want is the BS to stop from both sides. Why am I being met with such resistance to this stance?
  
  Even IF Fox does it more than the others, does this mean MSNBC, for example, is not to be subjected to scrutiny for their part in the right/left game?
  
  Why no peeps from those who crave the "intellectual truth"?
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Even IF Fox does it more than the others, does this mean MSNBC, for example, is not to be subjected to scrutiny for their part in the right/left game?"
  
  Yes, that is exactly what it means.
  
  Sorry, but its true.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A sad truth indeed, Jim.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The typical response to the exposure of FoxNews lies continues to be, "Other people do it too". No evidence is ever offered, just desperate baseless claims.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Google MSNBC lies, rook.
  
  There's a mass out there that object to the left just as much as the left objects to the right.
  
  Both hate the opposition because of their political bias, and both claim to hate the other because of their "intellectual need for the truth".
  
  Nobody gets anywhere with this way of thinking, but I guess that explains a lot, huh?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure who "rook" is; possibly a pathetic attempt at a personal attack on your part. If you're gonna get banned again you may as well throw something out there that makes it worth it.
  
  You've missed the entire point once again (hmmmm, imagine that). The Fox defenders can't justify their insane loyalty, so they look for other perpetrators to create a "they all do it" scenario.
  
  Google reading for comprehension. It may help your responses in the future.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rook?
  
  Are you offended by that?
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I was banned? Err...
  
  I'm not a Fox loyalist -- I'm just stating the (apparently incomprehensible) obvious.
  
  People who cling to a news outlet because they just want the "intellectual truth" don't realize that they put terms and conditions on that truth, accepting or rejecting the validity of it based on what type of slant they are comfortable with.
  
  Lefty loyalists are unwilling to admit to slant when it's in favor of their bias, so they pull the "only they do it" card on Fox, unable to cope with an opposing opinion.
  
  I'm indifferent enough to admit the truth: Fox distorts, but they ain't the only ones. I'm not clinging to that belief in order to defend Fox; rather, to show that they aren't the only ones not worth defending. You'd think this point would have been clear by now (derf derf) but, well....
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Lefty loyalists are unwilling to admit to slant when it's in favor of their bias, so they pull the "only they do it" card on Fox, unable to cope with an opposing opinion."
  
  Have you read anything I wrote? I acknowledge that there is slant on both sides. I'm just saying that Fox News has elevated it to a level that cannot be seen in any other network.
  
  To say they are the same is just plain wrong.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, this would be relevant if I was talking about you specifically.
  
  And no, Fox does not take it to a whole new level -- they are on the same level of degradation. As a matter of fact, they are fairly isolated in the slant that they commit to, as liberal bias is much more widespread in media.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, it's easier to argue against a stereotype than a person, right?
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  SO because you acknowledge slant from both ends, that mean everyone else does too?
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I've been talking to YOU; I thought you were talking to ME.
  
  Sorry if I misunderstood. It would be easier for me to categorize you as a crazy libertarian and assume that I know everything you think and believe based upon that.
  
  Crazy me, I choose the the difficult path.
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2uesdayposted 13 years ago
My guess is you only find out the biggest political lie of the year, many years later.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
this was on the front page of our local paper today.
Politifact is a Pulitzer prize winning project of the Times.

I'm sure there will be some interesting letters to the editor.

demographics of who reads politifact.com
http://www.quantcast.com/politifact.com
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  Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, rebekahELLE. The demographics was a huge question of mine. I haven't followed the link yet, but I really appreciate having it available so that I can check it out soon.
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it might be helpful. it's read by a college educated, mostly higher income audience. it's rather entertaining at times to read their findings which you can find on politifact.com
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"A group of researchers in the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the university of Maryland concluded in their findings that people who admit to watching FOX News for their daily dose of information are sadly and strongly misinformed. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to FOX News increases misinformation.

Don't believe us? Let's check with the numbers from the survey. This is a list of what FOX News viewers believe to be true:

* 91 percent believe the stimulus legislation lost jobs
* 72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit
* 72 percent believe the economy is getting worse
* 60 percent believe climate change is not occurring
* 49 percent believe income taxes have gone up
* 63 percent believe the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts
* 56 percent believe Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout
* 38 percent believe that most Republicans opposed TARP
* 63 percent believe Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear)"

Psy-Op.
Get ready for the next one...Palin and others have already planted the seeds:

Uber Rich neeeeeeed tax cuts to be permanent, or they just caaaaaaan't create jobs! The uncertainty will be too much for their frail, weak constitutions.
Poor poor billionaires...they've been soooooo maligned by those rotten "Liberals Progressives"--sneer

Just cause they haven't created any jobs here with the first 2 rounds of tax breaks....why shouldn't we believe them now? Specially with those 2 stalwarts of honesty and integrity Boner and McLipless--sneer

*****
I was driving far the past couple of days, and had the chance to hear Stephanie Miller..
laughed my a$$ off. She plays Prince's "When Doves Cry" song, and uses McConnell..."This is what it sounds like when turtles cry"--cue McConnells crying on the floor of the senate. Funny stuff.
He was crying for Judd Gregg. I won't shed any tears for him. He was one who stopped Spain (?) from going after Bushco for illegal torture.
He and Hillary, Obama and an Hispanic Republican from Florida (can't think of his name) talked them out of it.

Now we have Issa saying he will get Obama.......wow, there are no words for it.

Bushco? Let em slide!! Go on! Let em go!
Obama?---nail him to the wall.

If it's not racism, what is it?
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So what? That's like me saying most MSNBC viewers believe
  
  --printing money helps the economy
  --government health care is better and saves money
  --taxes are for the greater good
  --Bush snuck his way into the presidency
  
  And every other piece of popular left mantra.
  
  What's your point? That many Fox viewers are biased? Well, no s**t.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can do better than this lame response, can't you? Chris provided statistics from actual research. You just made up a list of stuff out of thin air, a ridiculous list at that.
  
  Her point is not that Fox News viewers are biased, it's that they are the most ill-informed.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And my point is that viewers of, say, MSNBC are biased too?
  
  Sorry, I must have forgotten the percentage marks.
  
  Most Fox viewers believe what chris said because they are biased, just as viewers of msnbc would be inclined to believe the opposite because of their bias.
  
  Amazing.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You need to quit trying to explain the obvious.
  
  Trust me, they do not care, they already know.
  
  They just happen to like the lies MSNBC tells.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really? If you can show me just one time where I have supported a lie that MSNBC tells, then I will send you a cookie.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're a little too serious today.
  
  MSNBC lies, you defend MSNBC.
  
  You denigrate FOX and never MSNBC, please show me where you have defended FOX for the same manipulation that MSNBC uses.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Show me where I defended MSNBC?
  
  I'm no more serious than usual, Jim. Am I forgetting to add enough smiley faces?
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think I'll pass on the research of hubpages forums to find a post where you defend MSNBC.
  
  Thats a lot of work for absolutely no gain.
  
  I'll take a cookie though.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not exactly what I said, anyway. I said: "If you can show me just one time where I have supported a lie that MSNBC tells, then I will send you a cookie."
  
  But, in any case, no show me, no cookie.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Show me where I defended MSNBC?"
  
  Uhhhh, there seems to be a lot of forgetful people on the left.
  
  You actually said both, but this is what I responded to.
  
  Keep the cookie..
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm not forgetful. I know I said both, but not for you to earn a cookie. I'm kinda stubborn today about accuracy.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, there is always a first time for everything.
  
  Just kidding.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If they're comfortable with lies, they'll mistake it for truth.
  
  It is a phenomenon.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amazing.
  
  You "forgot" percentages for a list you pulled out of....
  
  There is a difference between citing statistics to support your position and making stuff up. I know you know that.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  One more time,
  
  The statistics cited basically said "Hey! Most Fox viewers are conservatives!", which is fair, because it's no doubt true.
  
  But it is also akin to me saying most MSNBC viewers are liberal, because they are.
  
  Both are already obvious statements, numbers or not.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, that is one interpretation. Pardon me if I don't just take your word for it without some verification; you know, actual statistics.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You really need stats to perceive the liberal bias in MSNBC?
  
  Pf, I guess I didn't know what I was getting into when I started this debate.
  
  Jim Hunter, you were right -- the minds are already made up.
  
  Best of luck to you, your husband, and your kitty. It's been real.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sigh....
  
  I've already repeatedly stated that I perceive bias in MSNBC. Do I need to copy and paste all of those statements for you?
  
  Chris' list of statistics was about MISINFORMED viewers. If you can provide some verification that MSNBC viewers are equally MISINFORMED, then I will send you a cookie, too.
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So if there is liberal bias in MSNBC viewers then why would you refute my claims that those viewers are in support of health care, taxes, printing money, etc? After all, libs love the gov't health care, tax revenue, and government expenditures, right?
  
  And again, your perception of those views as MISINFORMATION is a testament to your bias.
  
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  * 91 percent believe the stimulus legislation lost jobs
  * 72 percent believe the health reform law will increase the deficit
  * 72 percent believe the economy is getting worse
  * 60 percent believe climate change is not occurring
  * 49 percent believe income taxes have gone up
  * 63 percent believe the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts
  * 56 percent believe Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout
  * 38 percent believe that most Republicans opposed TARP
  * 63 percent believe Obama was not born in the U.S. (or that it is unclear)"
  
  Serously?
  
  If I believe Obama was born in the U.S., it's because I'm a biased liberal?
  
  If I believe that the stimulus legislation did include tax cuts, it's only because I'm a liberal, and not because it's TRUE?
  
  If I believe that my taxes went down under Obama, it's not because they actually DID?
  
  Seriously?
  
  Okay, then what Colbert said is true: "Facts have a well-known liberal bias." lol
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No.
  
  Just to demonstrate the equivalency:
  
  If I believe Bush didn't sneak his way into the presidency, I'm a right-wing nut?
  
  If I believe stimulus legislation hurts the economy with inflation and deficits, then it's because I listen to Limbaugh, NOT because they cost money?
  
  Because I consider inflation a tax, and I don't see lowering taxes in one area while raising them disproportionately in others as cutting taxes, I must be Republican?
  
  For every right-wing extremist piece of hogwash, there is an equal force of BS coming from the left.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The examples you gave are not the same thing. The examples I picked from Chris' list were indisputable facts that a good portion of Fox News viewers got wrong. The examples you just gave are not indisputable facts, but legitimate differences in point of view.
  
  I have no problem with differences in philosophy.
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  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  PP - You are misunderstanding the libertarian narrative. It's an axiom (truth beyond proof) that any fault of the right is canceled by an equivalent fault of the right. This somehow validates libertarian thinking.
  
  No it doesn't make any sense, but it's a conversational pattern that's conditioned, possibly by their blogs - I'm not sure of the source. The fact that you were making is that Fox and conservatives get the facts wrong - deliberately and often. The defense is that MSNBC gets things wrong - occasionally. Neither of which validates libertarianism.
  
  I frequently push libertarians for examples of where their philosophy HAS worked in the real world. They don't exist anymore than examples of the success of communism. For the same reason - either extreme of pure capitalism or pure communism is doomed to failure.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, that they believe lies, and it makes them vote for Repukes all over again!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bullhockey.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
From that same study:

"the statistics for CNN weren't that great either, though they were better than FOX. Of all the outlets, MSNBC rated the highest for accuracy in information."
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine that!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What study do you refer to?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "A group of researchers in the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the university of Maryland"
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have a link posted?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it's on the first page.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see a link to this study, I see where you posted results of something but no link.
  
  Would you please provide the link?
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Jed Fisherposted 13 years ago
There is supposed to be a legal, punishable difference betwen rhetoric and outright lies. Guess not. Our most credible news sources today include Jon Stewart for at least doing some sort of analysis, The National Enquirer, which exposed the John Edwards lies about his mistress and love-baby, and Rolling Stone Magazine for, among other things, telling us the War on Terror was a joke. And Jesse Ventura with his Conspiracy Theory show...
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Don't forget Matt Taibi for his Wall Street reporting, and Jeremy Scahill for his war reports....
There IS truth out there, but it gets washed away in the lies.

But, they have legal cover for it. Plausible deniability, not using real sources, never actually saying, "we have proof that"...

It's mostly emotional flame throwing and button-pushing.

When you start off your discussion with disdain for the people you speak of, it follows that you will never be unbiased and objective!
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  EPmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lulz.
  
  I think your serving as your own critic.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When did I claim to be un biased? I'm pretty out-right with my disdain.
  Fox, however,says it is "fair and Balanced", when obviously it is not. That way, they can claim to be honest truth seekers instead of the Democrat hate fest that they represent.
  
  And I wonder just what is up with Napolitano.
  He said Bushco should have been indicted.....but he stopped there. He didn't push for it.
  Let's see if he pushes for "Get Obama" with Issa and the Thugs.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Imagine that! .....yeah, imagine! People who say they are all the same are wrong.
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Neil Sperlingposted 13 years ago
The extremists on both the left and the right are the whole problem. We fight without looking for common ground to build something of value.

Capitalism un-governed becomes communism via the few very rich "control" the tides of the economy. They capitalize on both left and right government issues and they make sure they do!

Without Capitalism, there would be no need for socialism. Socialism is NOT communism. Communism is when the state owns ALL and everyone gets an allowance from the state.... and "everyone works "For" the state.

Today we have the WAY too much wealth in the hands of too few.

Today we have WAY too many stupid rules and regulations that are there more for political job creation than any other use. Unions - although necessary - have way to much power too.

What I am saying is extremists on both sides of the fence are the problem. There is a middle road but those in power on both left and right do not want us to see the middle road at all. Why - cause often they are the same people/corporations.

Cheers to to the "working middle class".

As I said before - "On the backs of the working middle class the mega corporations climb, and on the backs of the working middle class the wasteful governments ride."

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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agree.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Ooops, thinking of another thread. Here it is: google

"Voters Say Election Full of Misleading and False Information
December 9, 2010"

Poll Also Finds Voters Were Misinformed on Key Issues

Full report(PDF)
Questionnaire with Findings, Methodology (PDF)
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Never mind I found it on my own.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Or this;
"News Corpse / By Mark Howard
Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
A new survey of American voters shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources.
December 15, 20"
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Jim Hunterposted 13 years ago
I thought this was interesting.

The Fox Factor
http://www.cmpa.com/media_room_press_5.htm
Perhaps surprisingly, coverage of the candidates on Fox News Channel's "Special Report with Brit Hume" was very similar to that of the broadcast networks. FOX's coverage of Hillary Clinton was evenly balanced – 50% positive and 50% negative comments, compared to 51% positive and 49% negative on the "big three" networks. The tone of FOX's coverage of Romney and Obama was also within one percentage point of the broadcast networks.

Instead, FOX stands out for having the heaviest and most issue-oriented election coverage. The first half-hour of "Special Report" has devoted 7 hours 52 minutes to election news since mid-December, an average of over 11 minutes per night, nearly half the newscast after commercial breaks. By contrast, the broadcast networks have averaged 5 hrs 8 min, or seven minutes a night.

FOX was also twice as substantive as the broadcast networks. Almost one-third of all stories on FOX (30%) dealt with policy issues, nearly double the proportion (16%) on the networks. FOX also carried less coverage of the horse race and candidate tactics than any of broadcast networks.

CMPA has monitored every presidential election since 1988 using the same methodology, in which trained coders tally all mentions of candidates and issues and all evaluations of candidates. We report the evaluations by non-partisan sources, excluding comments by the candidates and campaigns about each other, because research shows that non-partisan sources have the most influence on public opinion, and they are also more subject to the discretion of reporters. However, we maintain data files on partisan evaluations as well.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bullhocky.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats almost as good as a LOL face in an effort to refute something.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you like links do you? Follow this one to learn more about your "unbiased source"
  
  http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti … ic_Affairs
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No Ron, I love links.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Yeah, well I found this!

Shepard Smith....my man!!

"Shepard Smith Unloads On Blockers Of 9/11 Responders Bill: 'How Do They Sleep At Night?'

Shepard Smith excoriated the Senators who are holding up the so-called "Zadroga Bill" to assist 9/11 first responders who suffer from medical problems as a result of their time at Ground Zero. The bill, which provides $7 billion for the responders, passed the House but is being held up by Republicans in the Senate.

Speaking to Fox News colleague Chris Wallace on Friday, Smith asked, "How do they sleep at night after this vote on Ground Zero first responders from 9/11? Are they going to get that done, or are we going to leave these American heroes out there to twist in the wind?"

"Who's going to hold these people's feet to the fire? We're able to put a 52 story building so far down there at Ground Zero, we're able to pay for tax cuts for billionaires who don't need them and it's not going to stimulate the economy. But we can't give health care to Ground Zero first responders who ran right into the fire? Went down there to save people? Do people know what this city was like that day? People were walking over bridges, they were covered in ash, they were running for their lives, they were crying, their family members were dead. And these people ran to Ground Zero to save people's lives. And we're not going to even give them medicine for the illnesses they got down there? It's disgusting, it's a national disgrace, it's a shame and everybody who voted against should have to stand up and account for himself or herself."

Smith continued making the comparison to the tax cuts, adding, "We spend a lot more money giving Warren Buffett his income tax refunds than we do doing anything for those people don't we?"

WHOA! Huge mea-culpa. Smith just walked the walk!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amusing that he did so only after Jon Stewart chastised FoxNews Thursday night for not reporting on the travesty perpetrated by their favorite senators.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and you know...I was just coming across all these stories about how the bill will pass, and it occurred to me, "This bill would not even have COME UP if the Repubs were in charge in the House." It would not even be an issue!
  
  I can't tell you how sad I am for America that the money-party will once again be controlling the agenda.... What gets voted on, what does not.
  
  just WATCH--there will be a whole lot of bills having to do with helping wealthy out, and shutting poor/middle down.
  It's inevitable. And sad.
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  BillyDRitchieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kinda makes sense to have the people in charge of the money "controlling" things.
  
  Do we really want major financial decisions being made by people who obviously cannot earn, keep, or control money?
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  BillyDRitchieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But wait, I thought Fox News was a right wing propaganda machine? Doesn't Shep know who his masters are?
  
  Damn that man....
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"we're able to pay for tax cuts for billionaires who don't need them and it's not going to stimulate the economy."

Dam tooty.
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  BillyDRitchieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pay for tax cuts? Um, it's THEIR money, love, not yours......
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"the person who thinks that Fox is the greater evil in this world of political slant is only kidding themselves."

So you dismiss all these studies, eh?

Get over it, Fox is 100 times worse. And every single on of those distorters also has a radio show.
It's 2...2...2 times the fun.

And I'll tell you something, when I watch MSNBC, I don't come away angry. So angry that I'd like to take a gun and kill people. As has happened with Beck and O'Reilly viewers.
"Tiller the baby killer', and the Tides Foundation, later to kill Obama.

And they slip their lies in inocuously...like Miss Palin. I want you ALL to call them on it when no jobs are created with the repeat of this big tax break for Ubers.

Palin is so good at it, the sneak-lie. Rather than saying billionaire trust-fund babies, she says "job creators".

And NO ONE ever asks her, "So Governor, what jobs were created with the 10 years we've already HAD of the tax-cuts?"

In fact, no one ever asks ANYONE that question. But the answer is obvious.
That is why I am so fed up with people. What is that old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me."

Mike Pence is Tom Delay's prodigee. I wroter him once, "How can you call yourself pro-life, when Delay gave tax money to a man who's factory rules are to abort a pregnancy should a woman become pregnant?"
*crickets* *crickets*....never heard back. Just like no one ever asks "What jobs have been created with the 10 years of Buscho tax cuts?" *crickets*
YET--you believe them again. Incredible. And Fox/Talk radio played a HUGE part, whether you want to admit it or not.
They were created and designed for it. IMO.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
It happened, and the lies worked! Proof in the pudding....those 2 cry-babies now will run the house.
Cause you know----they CARE about the deficit. Yeah, cause they said so with their words, but mah---whyn't they showin it with their deeds? Mah--we been snookered!!!

"If you can show me just one time where I have supported a lie that MSNBC tells, then I will send you a cookie."

If anyone can show me an MSNBC lie, I'll give you a whole cake!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/ … ann_71.php
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/21/rache … er-honest/
  
  http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2009/20091014063035.aspx
  
  http://mediamatters.org/blog/200908040041
  
  http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shephe … obama-resp
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  These are not lies...these are people saying MSNBC's hosts OPINIONS are lies.
  It's like saying "Beck lies because he says "Obama is a racist." That is Beck's opinion about Obama, so you can't really call it a lie. Even though I think it is.
  All those links said nothing about a lie. An opinion is not a lie.
  Plus, when Maddow was wrong, she corrected herself.
  And those sites were hardly objective sites!!! U of Maryland is an objective study.
  
  Sorry--epic FAIL.
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  BillyDRitchieposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But it's okay if people run sights saying that Fox News lies? Ok, I guess opinion is okay as long as it is leftist opinion....
  
  The mind boggles....
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you notice that FOX commentators lie and MSNBC commentators are just wrong?
  
  The mind not only boggles it completely shuts down.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
This is what it sounds like when turtles and drunks cry: McLipless and Boner.

waaaaa waaaaa waaaaa.......oh, sob sob sob sniffle......WAAAAAAAA

Beckles School of Fake Crying. A-.....needs more hearfelt emotion...less buggersnots.
ahahahaha. ohohohoh santa gave me a good laugh on that one.
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