Christians : Do you really believe that world is 6k years old only?

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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
do you really believe that world is 6k years old only or consider it as different scale?
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Young earth creationist claims, including the idea that human and dinosaurs coexisted Earth and all of its life form were created 6000 years ago an over six-day period. , and the dinosaurs were in the Noah’s Ark along with the likes of T-Rex and all the other animal on the Ark were vegetarians until the boat returned back on land, then the carnivores drop their carrots and lettuce and return back to eating meat, how convenient.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  m sure peta would like this..
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  BunuBobuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL.
  
  Good Point!
  
  How come they animals didn't eat the humans?
  If I was a T-Rex, I would have eaten Noah and his self righteous family.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just_curious suggested all the big animal came in baby size onto the Ark, everything is fun in Bible land
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To clarify, so I won't be attacked because of your statement; I said that is how fundamentalists have rationalized their belief. It is not one I share.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  never think about it, still don't. Just want to get through today dude
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i've dated women older than that
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sure you would have had...greece is much older than 6k atleast...
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let's see: The time Atlantis went missing < known recorded history of Alien visits < when the Dinosaurs became extinct...and carry over the entire Roman Empire History...and subtract the date and time that the Atom was first discovered....give or take the actual date the computer went "personal". Yep...6000 years more or less. That's what I'm standing on. Better yet...it's the whole concept of that little thing known as "carbon dating".
  
  See link: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article … -the-bible
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  Titen-Sxullposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Except that Carbon Dating is and can only be used for materials up to about 60,000 years old. No scientist is using radio carbon dating to determine the age of Earth, it would be impossible. For dating the Earth other forms of radiometric dating are used.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Or one Christians perspective on why the Earth is younger.
  
  http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=FJCNNN8U
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Christian perspective? You mean Christian nonsense!
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  mecheilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i know some christians who doesn't believe that earth is only about 6000 years old. they reason out that in the bible it's stated that 1 day for god can be 1000 or some thousands of years in a man's point of view (don't know what bible verse states that). they also cited adam's age vs. the verdict that was given him when he committed the sin. "on that day you will certainly die," but adam lived for 960 years. in that case, 1000 years for a man is 1000 years for god, according to them.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's the Mormon that believes a 1000 years to one man year. Add three 0s to 6014 years old you have 6, 014,000 year old (over 6 million).
  
  The immortal jelly fish 650 years old and the earth are 4 billion years old according to most professional scientist.
  
  Christian replace science with magic and Christian math on History is lost in space.
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  mecheilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i don't think the bible account of genesis talks literally of 1 day for every day of creation, or even a 1000 years. it does not discuss the original creation of matter or of the heavenly bodies, rather of the preparation of the already existing earth for human habitation. the term "day" in the bible would bring us to the different meanings of the hebrew word for day before it was translated, which include "a long time" and "the time covering an extraordinary event." hence, could mean thousands of years in length.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mankind is too curious to sit back and wait for the religious man just to make things up about natural history without a solid study...
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just_curious,
  There is no way to tell the "age" of this planet, using any human measurement from any of the sciences. The Gregorian calendar is a total farce.
  
  Adam supposedly lived 1 Day and then 960 "years" after. If it took 1,000 "years" to complete Day 6 to Day 7, then he lived 1960 "years" total.
  
  But, given the nature of the "Days" of Creation, time did not apply until Day 4, to separate the seasons. And time did not apply to Adam until the "fall", which is NOT known how long he was in timelessness until then.
  
  Equally stating that dinosaurs lived "millions of years ago" also makes no sense. As they say humans have existed for 250,000 years. My mind would say it took humans 248,000 of those years to discover electricity, indoor plumbing, lasers, etc AND in less than 25 years following massive advances in technology?
  
  Something doesn't fit.
  
  James.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I completely get what you're saying. I agree that science is guestimating a date using the information they have available. I think your ideas on the rest are so cool, what little I can follow from your posts, and your hubs.
  
  It does seem very odd that man developed vey very slowly, until our accumulation of knowledge took off, as if a shot from a gun. Which is one reason I honestly believe we are on the cusp of some break through with our knowledge spiritually too.
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  michifusposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  With all the problems currently happening in the world, there is nothing like a bit of Christian baiting to relieve tension.
  
  Next week its the Muslims. In the meantime guys n gals, try to think of a way to bait the Buddhists. They seem to get off Scot free in the forums. Bloody dogooders.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good question, myriad of poor answers, indeed I have not actually seen any answers so far in my crawl through the posts.
  
  6,000 years, on whose timescale?
  
  If we take into account the fact that we have a God who lives outside of time, who dictated an account of how He created the place to an ancient devotee, who had an understanding limited by circumstance and historical time position, but never the less wanted to write down what he could as an accurate account, we may be able to start understanding that in part it is metaphoric and in part metaphysical.
  
  Imagine yourself transported back in time and attempting to describe your world as it stands today.
  
  How would you describe the internet, or an Apache Attack Helicopter, or the Space Station, or the consumer supply chain that ended in Walmart?
  
  Try explaining our financial system?
  
  Get my drift?
  
  So let's assume that we have the same problem understanding what God tells us today as Moses may have had in his day, but we, with our increased knowledge base, demand more proof and exercise less faith, whereas Moses probably just reached for the quill and asked God to speak slowly.
  
  I would guess Moses understood his ignorance before God and bore it in humility.
  
  We seem to have lost that ability.
  
  So..... to answer the question, (as a bible believing human) I do not hold that the world is 6k old in as literal sense, and yes I do hold that there is a considered scale to take into account.
  
  I have heard theory's that each day was a 'universal day' i.e. the time the universe took to make one complete turn! and someone said that was 350 million years, and I have no idea whether 2,100,000,000 years would satisfy secularists as a reasonable time span for Gods six 'days' to take place, and even less if any fundy believer would go for it.
  
  Whatever the answer, the main thing is that I believe God did whatever was required to bring us to this point, and whether that was 'speaking' the whole thing into existence, or going the slower route, I am content to admit that I also suffer ignorance before God and can bear it in humility.
  
  Daniel 12:3-5 (Amplified Bible)
  
  And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) [shall give forth light] like the stars forever and ever.
  
  But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God's purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. It makes much more sense than believing that mankind evolved from some dumb neanderthal society.
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just_curiousposted 13 years ago
Pisean, I'm sure you may find one or two that say yes to this. I doubt you would find any that believe it. I think the one's who argue this point are either simply trying to show their faith, or they are being supportive of what they see as the right of individuals to espouse their faith in whatever manner they choose; no matter how ludicrous.

I am related to people who claim baby dinosaurs rode on the ark. I couldn't convince them to say otherwise, even if I tried. It's a whole easier to smile and nod, then argue this point: because if I truly thought they believed it there wouldn't be much reason to argue. There would be greater issues to deal with.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At you mean T Rex, lions, and polar bears were all babies on the Ark, how cute. I was wondering how the lion did not eat the zebra wail eating from the same bucket and that's convenient too.
  
  My first post came from the World's largest Creation Museum, that I wrote a hub on
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cute, yeah. They've also got a Dr. Doolittle philosophy on heaven. It's entertaining.
  
  I'll have to check out your hub on the Creation Museum. I keep hearing everyone here talk about it, but I don't know anything about it; other than, I guess, what its obvious purpose is.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This forum has folks who have posted such things and believe it emphatically.
  
  And, that's a good thing?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad, can't you see that sometimes the statement might be made as a display of attempted piety?
  
  And, if the person making the statement doesn't attempt to force the teaching of this to be set beside scientific discovery, as if it warranted an equal footing; why should I begrudge them the statement? If I attempted to chase down every erroneous claim made in America today I'd have an impossible task.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  For you out there, what do you believe or think A, B, C, or D?
  
  A. Most people believe man began about 180,000 years ago.
  
  B. Most people believe modern humans first began wearing clothes about 170,000 years ago, a ... clothes in the preceding Ice Age 180,000 years ago or man began much further back
  
  C. Almost half of Americans believe man began less than 10,000 years ago
  
  D, Creationist claims man did not wear clothes 6014 years ago, when man began
  
  Now, I ask you Christians, if you picked D?
  
  Next question
  
  Are you a real Christian as stated from within the bible if you picked other than D?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  im not sure what the question is.
  
  Are you saying that a 'real' Christian has to put the date of the earth's creation at 6014 years ago?
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  manlypoetryman Yep...6000 years more or less. That's what I'm standing on. Better yet...it's the whole concept of that little thing known as "carbon dating".
  
  See link: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article … -the-bible
  
  I can't make heads or tails out it, maybe you or a Christian scientist can
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. No. You don't have to believe bs to be a Christian. Maybe to be a creationist, or an evangelical; but I don't think the evangelicals have to. I know a lot of people that fall into that category and I wouldn't think any of them capable of believing such tripe.
  
  Go to the streets castle. Take a survey. The fundamentalists on this forum are not indicative of the face, or beliefs, of Christianity at large; or, at the least, I hope like heck they aren't.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure what you are "No, No'ing" here...? But, I merely provided some info from a creation science standpoint. After that...its anybody's ball game as to what to believe in or not?
  
  Oh...and I also tried to joke a little...but that's also up to anyone to believe whether it was funny or not.
  
  Howevever...I know I'm laughing at how I personally concluded the 6000 years...for sure...and that is 1/2 the genius behind it! No?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No.I'm not laughing at you.I'm laughing at the thought that all christians have to believe the same thing. It's like we all spent our formative years hooked up to some cloning device. I'm not sure where they think these hidden facilities are. It's a little creepy, if you ask me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Trollin', trollin', trollin'
  
  Like wot god sed.
  
  Little wonder your religion Kauses so many Warz........
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now, I remember my promise. I have to think of something nice to say.......................................................... Oh. Ok. You are very creative with your mispelling of words and I've always thought your avatar was pretty cool. That said, I would respond to your post honestly, but I promised to play nice.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice? K - A nice troll. I am working with it. I wish I could find some condescending "nice" thing about you. Nope. Nothing comes to mind.
  
  Oh well. I just hate religionists who cause fights. Excuse me. Call me crazy if you want. Nothing good here. Just another religionist out for a fight.
  
  KKK
  
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're part of the KKK? I don't know that I would have shared that Mark..That's creepy. I will say, that you are pushing my promise to its limit. One more post and I might actually tell you what I think.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think Mark means the religious KKK, I can't imagine an atheist dress up like a white Christian Bishops
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, I'm pretty sure he meant him. It's like he was signing the post, just forgot himself for a moment.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you will not accept Nazi’s and KKK are Christian based; ALL they want is a White Christian Christmas. Thinking everyone should be a blue eye white Jesus or a white bearded God
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In a nutshell...this is how I heard it explained (from the link I posted) from a Creation Scientist (which, I sure am not.):
  
  The use of carbon-14 dating is often misunderstood. Carbon-14 is mostly used to date once-living things (organic material). It cannot be used directly to date rocks; however, it can potentially be used to put time constraints on some inorganic material such as diamonds (diamonds could contain carbon-14). Because of the rapid rate of decay of 14C, it can only give dates in the thousands-of-year range and not millions.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Castle, the definition of 'a Christian' is little more than someone who believes in the message of Christ. I know of no other litmus test used to determine who can, or should, use the name. Trust me, if there was another name I'd probably take it. Heck, I've seen definitions of everything from creationists, to Christian atheists.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Can you be a Christian and NOT believe the Bible genesis? Why should Christians, continue to believe in the genesis accounts of creation? Why not grow up in a society learning about evolution as our ultimate origins are from cosmic over millions of years, formed all life here on earth....
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can be a Christian if you believe in the teachings and divinity of Jesus Christ
  
  The specific interpretations / theories of Genesis and the scientific data have no influence on that.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very cherry picking from the Bible
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all... simply an admission that I am not God (a fact that I am sure will shock many of my fellow Hubbers).
  
  My interpretations of text are just that.. my interpretations. My faith does not rest on my intellectual capacity to fit a theological square peg into a scientific round hole.
  
  As God said to Job... "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof"
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Otherwise, Magic and lost in space.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not sure what that means.. but sure lol
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  who really does
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so to some up, are you coming to church with me on Sunday?
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My brother who is a pastor has been trying for decades to get me to go to church, we are only force to go, at Xmas time.
  
  It's a deep sleep, anyways.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said!
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just_curious Trust me
  
  I hear that from all religions, Politician and from every bible version group and they all claim they have the right way to God
  
  So do you believe the world began 4 billion years ago and man 180,000 years ago
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see no reason to doubt that the earth is 4 to 4.5 billion years old. To be honest? I could care less how old it is. As to man? I see no reason to doubt the findings of science.
  
  These issues do not negate Christianity. They refute the claims of people that probably clipped a theological degree from the back of a Cap'n Crunch box, and those who choose to follow their teachings.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How to you choose what blind faith to go with?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Castle, you assume all religious people have blind faith. It is not the nature of spirituality. The only thing I trust in Christianity is the message of Christ. I'm pretty sure a large chunk of the rest is bs. I've heard you call yourself a spiritual person too. It's like you told me once before. Follow your heart. If there is something more, that's where it will speak to me. No spirituality could possibly lead someone in a direction that wasn't firmly grounded in love of man. What purpose could it serve if it didn't lead one in the direction of the common good? Any message that doesn't have that at its core and all the way through it would be pointless.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  just_curious Your post-, you assume all religious people have blind faith. It is not the nature of spirituality
  
  Christianity is an ancient spirituality; the whole of spirituality is the 99% unknown, why over focus on the pass from a small period of time of low consciousness people. Sure Jesus was a great teacher for his time, so are thousands of other spiritual leaders and other 1000s of books.
  
  When you lead with your heart and shortly follow with your mind, so your understanding developes better as you go. If you reach too far and know you will never understand things like alot of part of history, it turn into some form of suffering or lack of understanding because these scientist will never go away too
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, you've got odd ideas on Christianity. Or maybe I do. I don't see it at all like that. It's a philosophy on life. It isn't being led by people or dogma. Jesus was a peaceful, loving voice. He had good thoughts.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do we know he had good thoughts. He never wrote a word, and we have a group of people who tell us what he is supposed to have said. I don't accept that Jesus even existed, there is no proof at all of his life, only hearsay.
  The "Jesus story" and the many psychotic stories of "god"s in the OT have their origins in a chain of bull dust stretching from Ra onward. When people don't have answers they run to gods, it's what we do, we are hardwired to it.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You think?
  
  And no, that's not a backhanded insult. I just don't think that. As to the sayings of Jesus, I do believe one has to be very careful. Not everything attributed to him can necessarily be assumed to be what he said. I do believe he existed, but some of the gospels accounts were, most likely, pushing a personal philosophy as they were being written. I easily concede that. I agree with the findings of the Jesus seminar, for the most part. I believe one should always err on the side of caution.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why would I think that was a backhanded insult? I think Jung's explanation of religiosity was profound, and further studies of Jung reveal his use of the trinity as a guide to a psychological process leading to further understanding of human individuation.
  I know it is popular to bash Catholicism here, but I think they had part of the understanding of individuation.
  Carl Jung was not a religionist himself despite what those who have not read all of Jung would say, he was not in to religion, he took from it the psychological aspects that assisted his learning.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh Jung. Well, I've read some on him. He had some interesting ideas, but I found some of his conclusions a bit of a stretch. Leap of faith kind of thing.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is something Jung would have agreed with. He was never one to assert his theories were correct, he simply ammassed evidence that supported them.
  We now know a lot more than Jung left behind, although amongst it was a massive amount of empirical evidence that support his conclusions.
  Hillman, von Franz and many other post Jungian greats have taken it much further.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ earnestshub
  
  1.How do we know Jesus had good thoughts
  
  A. If we have to judge a kid & we do not have any knowledge about his/ her academic, religious or mental state, we can still go ahead and check his parents and the value's they hold. Off course kid will be different from his parents in many attributes, still its a general and first check available. Jesus was son of God, God definitely has best thoughts and so did Jesus and also Jesus when he was beaten badly in different places had no intentions to be saved, even then his prayers were to forgive people, who were making him suffer.
  
  2. He never wrote a word, and we have a group of people who tell us what he is supposed to have said.
  
  A. He never wrote a word as he was wise knowing that his words will be taken care by someone else who gets the right message, he did not believe in writing his autobiography as he was sure there will be many writing his biography. One sad part is he was not looking for money from his writings as we do.
  
  3.I don't accept that Jesus even existed, there is no proof at all of his life, only hearsay.
  
  A.Lets assume an infant who is born a week after his father died. No proof for him that he had a father, his very birth is the proof of his father!!! yeah just as my great great grandfather is not alive does not means he never existed. My father's existence in this world is proof of his father (my grandfather) existence, so on and so forth. Off course there is no proof of life of Jesus all the places where he was born, where he preached, where he was crucified, beaten are fake and man made rite? The proof that he existed simply is, so many people still following under his footsteps, so many prayers answered back. I think even u do not believe in your great great grandfather as it is "hearsay".
  
  4.The "Jesus story" and the many psychotic stories of "god"s in the OT have their origins in a chain of bull dust stretching from Ra onward. When people don't have answers they run to gods,
  
  A. At times when i was a kid and in need of anything, the first humans i used to run to were my parents as i was sure of help. When people do not have things under there control and they know there is not much they can do about it they definetely have only one way that they can count on. The God's way as even best doctor's and bogus philosophies fail.
  
  5. it's what we do, we are hardwired to it.
  A. Absolutely i agree to this. We suffer injuries w/o mistakes at times because its previous or this life unbilled amount. An infant suffering for months is the best example to our dues. we wake up we sleep, we eat we secrete, we were born we surely will die. We were born as children of the lord we even have an option to be born as ghosts. (Laws are Hardwired b4 and after us)
  
  Any disagreements and further clarification is always welcome. or u prove me why not to believe in God? My intention is not to show u down or myself up, m just making an effort to clear your doubts existing from lack of knowledge.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How massively arrogant of you to claim I have a lack of knowledge!
  You don't even deserve a reply.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Castlepaloma
  
  Hi,
  
  Your knowledge seems to be perfect. May i know which all religious scriptures have u read? Your knowledge seems to be perfect in some areas to me and pretty lame in others. Even i have read major religions and if there is disagreement in any of your or mine answers which i found, i definitely need to know where did i went wrong? or which religion was i not able to understand.
  
  Waiting for your comments... Just name few religions that u read for a start, rather than giving your interpretations for all or one religion please!!!
  
  Thanks for reading.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good question
  
  My best form of study and experience of religious behavior is by traveling the all major continents worldwide. From vides and words, I did not find one religion without limited thinking and over focus on righteous. Making it too much of an over ego world rather than a friendlier world. I grew up going to church and found the bible was the most contradictive book I have ever read.
  
  Spiritual non religious groups I have had more of a healthy connection with. Mainly my religious experiences would dwell in my art business, travel, love and nature as each one of us needs personal growth centers’. The most inspiring book ever read was Taoism about 500 years before the Bible. I not can confirm one contradiction no matter how much I have tried and it has truly has enhanced my soul.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What if i ask u to read one book at a time, with your heart and soul.
  
  & after reading that book, it doesnot brings you closer to god, changes your preception about god.
  
  Please mind i am not drunk or stoned in anyway, i know what i am talking about. I mean it to this degree that even if i have to stay as ur servant whole through out my life i am ready, sell my home and give u all the money i have, i will give it to you for misguiding and wasting your precious time.
  
  The answers i was looking for my life, for god, to be honest with you, my religion could not reply the same as it happened with you.
  
  but i did not lose faith, i picked up the next one, and then the next one and then the next one till the time i got all my answers in right place.
  
  You Know what, i feel sad for innocent people misled by wrong leaders, even in religion what i have seen is lets say if u read bible u will have ur interpretations and so does it stand for me. however if we keep our misinterpretations aside for a while its all awesome.
  
  No religious book can be bad brother, its just that may be it was unable to answer the questions we were looking for. Different religions came into existence because of different people living all over the planet and doing diff diff sinful activities. Religions and messengers of god gave different messages beacuse it was as per time place and circumstance.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You quote "I am not a Christian, a Muslim, and a Hindu, a Sikh or religion follower".
  
  I am not sure what you are asking me? Maybe you are asking if I believe in God, yes everyone and thing is God and love everyone.
  
  I believe in adjudging mistakes rather than sin or saints, being spiritual sided rather than Religious. I take the best from all groups and share, yet, belong to none. I believe many of the spiritual leaders were right, just translations are wrong.
  
  I am more like you, more than you know.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  By me saying "I am not a Christian, a Muslim, and a Hindu, a Sikh or religion follower" i mean that i have read all religions by now.
  
  I can bet by not considering me as the Best, if anyone can bring me better knowledge than these four or even more. Still i would stand for this conversation "Christians : Do you really believe that world is 6k years old only?" I disagree and i have proof's for it. I can give u exact creation age, not by any scientific calculation, just by scriptures. Scriptures not based only on christianity should be taken into account when the question for the whole creation comes, as it even includes other religions. Else it just leades to arguement, one proving his point better then the other and other backfiring.
  
  Well i am not like you, sorry to say that as my knowledge about anything is from scriptures not by traveling. I believe i have four defects, namely:
  
  1. Imperfect senses: I can see up to some distance through my eyes, atleast not the whole world, my hands can lift 5 to 10 kgs. Can anyone see the whole world and lift the whole earth? Is anyone having perfect senses?
  2. Invariably illusion'ed: whatever attracts us, we tend to fall for it.
  3. Sure to commit mistakes: I made many, did you?
  4. Tendency to cheat others: anyone who has not cheated upon anyone else?
  
  Now with these defects any experiment results will also be incorrect.
  till date there is no 100% efficient machinery created, that is the proof.
  
  May i know where from did u get figures about creation age?
  it can be true and better than the one that i know, still i would be interested in knowing the source behind it?
  
  I could not even understand exactly what is the age of world as per your knowledge 6, 014,000 years or 4 million years or what was that A,B,C, D about Bible. forget about anything just give the age that u think this world is old and your source for standing by it.
  
  Will get back to you on this for sure!!!
  Cheers for life and making conversations atleast conversations,
  Thanks,
  SpiritualSpark3!!!
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Castlepaloma
  
  A humble request,
  
  What if the next country u travel to, happens to be of only cannibals where one human eats flesh of other humans. Which religion teaches that, i do not know any such religion. From your talks about religions and your hearing about all religions, i could easily understand that you did not read all religious books, and even u agree to it.
  
  By knowing one, two or hundreds of people of any religion does not gurantees that you are getting the best of religion beliefs. These days humans are so degraded that they have changed previous religious book in a way they want it to hence whole idea of religious book turns pathetic.
  
  Pick up the most authentic religion and then its authentic books, m sure it will enlighten you rather giving u hatred for it.
  
  Its humans manipulating the truth brother, god is not so cheap to do such shitty acts under his own name.
  
  His words were, are and always will be the best. For him "to c is to believe does not stands " as "believe and see" starts from him only. lets try and see what he wants to show rather then using imperfect eyes capable of seeing upto a short distance to see things that we want to see and ignore what we donot want to see.
  
  God vision is living entities, nt christians or muslims or watever!!!
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Making me think , good
  
  Who could read all the 10s of 1000s of religious books and millions of their versions in one person’s life time; you would have no time to live it? All religions have too many rules, people can not follow and end up breaking them and feeling worst, just boil all the laws down to be honest and do not harm.
  
  My ex wife was Aztec, from Mexico, the Aztec have the longest running religion in human history of cannibalism. They had 1000s of grave of victims and the high priest would always eat the heart. My wife was the most negative person I ever knew, yet greatest gift in my entire life, is she gave a very beautiful loving daughter. You can take the most traumatic experience you ever had and turn it around to the best thing that ever happened to you.
  
  I do not hate anyone or group and I am not against anything because that only joins the problem. I love my work for most waking hours of my life and you must be enlightened to do that.
  
  Work is love made visual, God is love and when everyone is god. So everyone can love god all the time.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone can read 10's or 1000's books if they just want to know the truth, who told you to even read 10 books? did u read just one book sincerely if yeah which one in religion? Rules, o Yeah we do not want to follow rules of any Religion just because we have our better rules, something u said like cherry picking from BIble to someone. Is it not a cherry picking for u now?
  
  Ur brother working as Pastor and ur wife Aztec are certainly not the only one's to understand religion from, cherry picking?
  
  Let me tell you one thing, your idea of learning different religions by traveling sounds good, however i do not agree that it gives u the best religious facts. "where there is a will, there is a way" not if this is not my will, lets make a different way. No one can understand God just by acting in mode of goodness (priest), by mode of passion (michael schumacher), or by mode of ignorance (Osama BIn Laden). in order to understand god we need to traverse these modes and get into mode of transcendence in which lord and his pure devotees is.
  
  Rules: if u dont want to follow rules of bible, still u following ur own rules, better dont follow even ur rules if people cannot follow rules.
  
  Better if you talk about yourself rather than cherry picking on what people do in name of religion.
  
  Hope did not offend u,
  If i did m sorry!!!
  SS3!!!
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have never done any Christian or religious themes in my art works worldwide because I am G rated for the public. Why would I want to limit my thinking and ethics for my own personally growth over any over ego group in an over ego world. I religious morals do not flow with my ethics and peace, as people mainly know what is right and what is wrong, anyways.
  
  Remember I am fearless; nothing anyone can say insults me or offends because you and all people are gods too.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago
Yet FSM is 7,000 years old. Interesting...
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
The better question would be how does one choose between one or another faith, or not to have faith at all.

It is not a scientific theory that reveals natural truth based upon testing and experimentation.

Faith is about acknowledging a truth that might not have 'proof' in scientific terms.
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flpalermoposted 13 years ago
If you want to consider an answer to this question, find and read "Born to rule the Universe" here in Hub Pages.
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Motown2Chitownposted 13 years ago
Heaven only knows why, but I'm going to jump in here. As a Christian, I do not believe the earth is 6,000 years old. I believe that much of scripture is a)metaphorical and b)apparently contradictory - although deep and honest study of scripture shows that most often NOT to be the case.

That being said, it is VERY clearly stated in scripture that to God a day is as a thousand years...so, the six days of creation and one day of rest spoken of in Genesis could have easily been an actual period of 7000 years. And, lots of years have passed since then.

So, no. Not all Christians believe the earth is 6,000 years old. That's point number one. And, not all Christians deny evolution in totality, as much as Creationists/Evolutionists would love to say that isn't the case.

That's all I have to say about it, really. Hope you all enjoy the rest of the discussion.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Motown ,good to have you on board.
  Pull up a seat and buckle up
  
  Interesting points, and trust me Heaven knows why you joined in.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Eaglekiwi! I tried a turn on the forums when I first got here, but found it to be a little too rough and tumble and - well - abusive for my taste. So, I tend to stay away (only religion and politics) unless I feel I have something valuable to contribute. And sometimes, I think pointing out that not everyone from the "right" is a fascist and not everyone from the "left" is any sort of extremist is important.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Motown2Chitown
  
  Religion when mixed with politics will always be rough. However at times, u can accept comments thinking that other people know better than you by the mercy of the lord and for you to learn. u can accept compliments by thanking lord for the knowledge he gave you or helped to grow up with that is acting like a light in darkness of other's life...
  
  I do not see any reason is good in religious view if only and only religion and lord is kept in mind & then surely there is no reason left for your absence.
  
  Sorry if i offend and Thanks if u accept...
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hahaha love how you cover all of your bases
  
  To your best life
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, I certainly am not offended. It's fairly difficult to say something that will actually offend me. As you say, often others DO know more than I, and I find that fact easy to accept and do so graciously as a rule.
  
  I just don't feel that's the case for everyone who chooses to participate in a religious/political forum discussion, and frankly, I hate to watch people snarl and snip at each other and condescend to someone who may simply have a) a different opinion or b) a different understanding.
  
  So, I do LOTS of perusing in both forums, and if I truly feel led to add to the discussion I'll do so. I do not, however, feel the need to "debate" anything. I'm not in it to win it, I guess. I'm really more interested in learning how and why people feel or think the way they do.
  
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @Motown2Chitown
  
  Well i reckon you to hate the sin instead of hating the sinner as hating the sinner will add sin under your name for hating a children of god.
  
  They are all beautiful humans spread all over the nations, its just that there brain is washed by any science or by there own science and they closing options by not learning and arguing instead...
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hate only what destroys and undermines a person's sense of worth. Whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, Ignostic, Hindu, B'Hai, Buddhist - I just love people in general. I don't like to see us hurting each other over and over and over again, simply for the sake of being right.
  
  Our religious and political history is a violent and depressing one. But I am only one person and can only affect a small part of the world. That's what I try to do, I guess.
  
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Columbus was only one person but then he invented or discovered America...
  
  You are one spiritual spark to spread its light to the whole world and donot ever think urself as one because lord is always with you and once you both together do u need a better company then???
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that in part. I also believe wholeheartedly that a small action on the part of one person can create a ripple effect and eventually affect the world as a whole. But, I'd rather be the hug felt round the world than the shot heard round the world, if that makes sense.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Youre very welcome,and I know what you mean (rough n tumble).
  Gosh my early days left me feeling like I'd climbed inside a clothes dryer and literally fell out disorientated
  
  Now,I know they just bark alot ,and deep down really love me too.
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spiritualspark3posted 13 years ago
Goodness why only Christian's need to prove there content related to age of earth or creation? just because its written in Bible. Why not take a look at other scriptures and check what do they have to say for it? What deeds Christians did, to be born as Christians better than other religion followers? Why to take the age of Earth only as per Bible, when Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhist all are living here?

Hubbers mark my name in the start of questions or comments for me to understand its for me.

I want a healthy conversation from those who are ready to give best of there knowledge and also take mine.

Its not about proving it should be more on facts, science or religion, both are welcome...

I am not a Hindu, a christian, a muslim or anyone u may think but i surely have read all religions and have my knowledge in place to comment on this topic...

Cheers!!!
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spiritualspark3posted 13 years ago
LOL

Now i think comments and questions are over as everyone is done with there proof's and arguements...

Was a fruitful debate with no conclusions at all, just arguements?

I am just 28 years old but i strongly insist "GROW UP" to many who trigger argument. Guys who argue, either prove your point by providing proof's, or stop beating around the bush by bringing same point in different words.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
If no one was banned it was probably a fruitful discussion.

I dont think it has to be a right or wrong thing all the time, often like communication ,just the freedom to be able to express an opinion with respect and dignity is sufficent-for now.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I understand where you are coming from now.
  
  No, I think they probably just went to bed ,or goodness knows ,many reasons why people drop off for a few minutes to a few days.
  
  Its all good.
  
  ss3 ,I know I dont know you ,but I feel you will understand this.
  
  Sometimes one person sows ,and another reaps.
  
  I take that to mean ,even though we dont always think someone gets what were are saying a time down the way ,tomorrow or in 5 yrs times ,it may come to fruition, or it may not.
  
  Plant the seed and let the gardener do His thing (In his time)
  
  Let his grace be sufficent
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i agree to what u say.
  
  i want to march one step further so that i plant, i water it and let anyone else takes flowers from my garden. else neither will i have anyone to gift a rose and for me it would be just a rose cared and nurtured with love, but no one to take it...
  
  The whole point of garden gets beated up then....
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God knows your heart,so keep trusting Him, and like his word says 'he will give you the desires of your heart'
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do trust god and his perfect plans and even perfect timings of his plans to be executed whenever he directs...
  
  However, my spiritual master told me, whenever u are not able to help anyone, its the degree u need to improve yourself so that next time it should not be repeated and no fallen soul (atheist) goes without taking the words of god...
  
  Last but not the least he also says that any man ignorant of god and if he meets me and stills remains ignorant, what more sin can i incur for that day?
  
  All glories to his lotus feet and his lotus mouth...
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  spiritualspark3
  
  My style is not arguments and debates argument is an angry. I only express angry once in my entire adult life and found it too inefficient. I’m a lover not a fighter. My style is sometime to Challenge, confront all problem, a fearless type and you could never insults me, if you want freedom and honesty please come to me.
  
  I am a follower of just curios he is one of the few Christian on line that combines a healthy open mind, friendliness, fixable, good imagination, courage and passion. I think we have been learning from each even though we may butt heads once in awhile. What do you say just_ curious would you ban me or can you imagine me banning you. In fact my skin is so thick banning anyone is out of the question,
  
  If you’re within the rules please don’t try to ban anyone. Give us a break, since you are new here, welcome to the hub pages
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry for not been within the rules.
  
  My banning just means stoping flow of ideas from going from one thought's process to influence the good part in it and at the same time also ready for exchange..
  
  I could not see if anyone really thanked anyone else for sharing there knowledge what to speak of concluding.. May i knw from u that what did u conclude from this discussion abt knowledge of creation from anyone else apart from your own knowledge.
  
  I am not the one who plucks flowers from someone's garden, rather i would love to sacrifice my garden to water others.
  
  Will definately keep in mind next time, that "i am new to hubpages", though i am writing from quiet a while in time now...
  
  Cheers for revealing ur heart and ur thoughts!!!
  
  I have taken that post off where it hurted u about my banning part, it could not deliver the right message and hence it should not give anyone other than you a message which is wrong because of me... you guys rock!!!
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have been at odds with my brother who is a pastor; he bent on the whole world must have Jesus salvation to be spiritual. What I have learn a little bit more from these religious and a decent mix hub pages.
  
  Is gratitude and acceptance making this place ROCK
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cheers for that!!!
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Wait......tell me more about your garden?

You want to plant ,water ,tend to your flowers?

What do you mean and have no one steal them?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well stealing can be self done by lord in form of humans, just because he loved the way i watered the flower and he knows the purpose was to ultimately gift him that flower through his humans accepting as a gift or stealing it away....
  
  Accept every bad thing that comes to you with more wide hands open, as one becomes more pure when his/her ego is beaten up badly. Gives a big room 4 improvement. if life was just to accept nice and sweet words what was the need for god to send his own son Jesus on earth?
  
  God knows the capability of every individual because we all are part and parcel of him, how cana disgrace or harsh comment ever touch his childrens....
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alispaisleyposted 13 years ago
Yes, I believe.
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spiritualspark3posted 13 years ago
@earnesthub

From earnesthub:
How massively arrogant of you to claim I have a lack of knowledge!
You don't even deserve a reply.

Reply:
Well i thought it will be knowledge u concentrate more, but i was wrong its your false ego that u believe in more than even ur knowledge.

Do not try to prove me my arrogance, i know i got more of it.

Just bring your views, experiments and conclusion if u want to beat the arrogance out of me and make me slave of your knowledge as i am always ready for it.

One thing more for ur information, may be u blocked me in ur profile, i see emails that earnesthub posted to ur reply and then there is no reply.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  zat wot god sed innit yaya?
  
  Little wonder you cause so many warz..................
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it would be better if its considered as exchange of knowledge and beating up the atheism theory rather than "little wonder i cause so many warz"
  
  and if u are not brave to fight, please chill with coffee or beer or watever rather than acting as a commentator and even bringing the word war in picture....
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Trust me. You would not speak to me this way face to face. The faceless internet makes you brave.
  
  No wonder your religion causes so many wars. Like wot Jeebus sed.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Mark Knowles
  
  Trust me even if u come with a gun i will speak to u this way only.
  
  and yeah u can kill my body but not the spirit soul in me, which is unborn, eternal, full of knowledge and bliss.
  
  Again i repeat, for a man of wisdom his knowledge is his only power
  
  and just for any man, its power of his body, money, bodyguards, guns, nuclear bombs and watever...
  
  Which city u located by the way, if it happens to be anytime in this life, i would definately come to see you for atleast saying hi and may be even bye.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is your theme song : religion causes so many warz, spoken in a religious tongue?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Mark
  
  Religion causes so many wars, spoken in a religious tongue is a theme song for Mark.
  
  "I am not a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Sikh or religion follower".
  
  I have read majority of religious scriptures, every scripture claims to believe in there god, to which i disagree. My idea is if every religion says "God is One" lets find out who is that "One" instead of proving mine one or your one.
  
  Yeah definitely i am up for a war against all athiest or believers of there own thinking or ego, rather than believing in "The Absolute Truth ".
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That would be your version of absolute truth.
  To me it is belief in a bunch of old stories full of hate fear and loathing written by a few old goat herders to control weak minded ignorant bronze age people. The problem is that these stories are only enhancements of other gods stories that came long before.
  Men have been using religion to control people since the times of ra.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do not believe in publishing my versions of "The Absolute Truth".
  
  if i do not believe in bunch of old stories then i should also not believe in my gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 grandfather as may be, one of those days goat herders, one of the major occupation at that time. Money came and made world worse. Atleast people were not cheating to the degree they do rite now just for few dollars.
  
  Men controlling people through religion are called politicians or mere pretenders. who asked to follow such religious leaders, better go to those preists who do not want to become controllers as they know " The Absolute Truth" that god is controller of day, night, rains, crops to yield, hurricanes, tsnuami, earthquakes last but not the least God says "Time i am the controller who meets u at death."
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do I understand what you just said?
  Your god controls natural disasters?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ earnesthub
  
  u r funny man, i like your sense of humour, its just that u need to crack your jokes infront of mirror to feel more hilarious.
  
  1.Do I understand what you just said?
  
  A. When was it, that u understood earlier, that now by cherry picking u will understand, huh?
  
  2.Your god controls natural disasters?
  
  A. Can you not sell your own home when u know that home is not making you happy and you need to move to a better home? I know, u are not interested in anything other than cherry picking, the way u did in Einstein statements, lol. Still let me explain if it is so hard for u to understand.
  
  Sinful people need to be punished just like at times a dog needs to be kicked for biting his own master. That does not makes his master enemy of dog, master still loves his dog. God controls natural disasters that is true, he created everything, he has the right to even destroy everything. He will make the sinners suffer and his children will be protected well in advance.
  
  At times even in plane crash few people survive & rest all die.
  
  Lord comes as death to sinners and as a life of eternity to believers, though both are dying, still they going to different places in which one will be punished and other will be rewarded.
  
  Have i seen people going to different places?
  please do not bring this as your next question, m still alive is reply to it, just in case it bothers you.
  
  I know now u will bring up something from this, please do.
  Haribol
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have to say this a heinous philosophy. How could you believe a greater power could be that callous, and why, in the world, would you consider it a good thing? Do you contend the disaster in Japan was somehow warranted?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @just_curious
  
  I never heard what this heinous philosophy is, i do not believe in philosophies. Anyways to stay about the Japan disaster, instead of again blaming god for what he did.
  
  We can see this in a way, not the whole Japan population was killed, only the sinners suffered.
  
  Who considers war a good thing other than politicians involved? Even lord does not want his children to suffer, he gave plenty of options to everyone to overcome suffering or atleast make suffering painless if acted in knowledge. He still loves japanese i must say that, and because of increase in no. of sins he has to stop them in a way that they understand. He tried all loving ways but many were waiting for this lesson to step forward towards him. Why do people have to call out his name only in suffering which i can see so many doing now. its just a eye opener. at times if student misbehaves crossing all his limits he is thrown out of the school. I can pray for the people suffering at my best and whenever i get a chance i will even educate them.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing like using a delusional style of thinking to justify the death of people. Totally, utterly and pathetically disgusting.
  
  Just the sinners were killed- How sick and demented is that?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I beg of you, get help. Now. Check into the nearest hospital and tell them to fetch a psychiatrist. You really need it if you stand behind the things you have posted. They truly reflect evil intent.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just went to your hub. You claim to be no religion, but following one god. Whatever the heck it is you follow you need to stop it. You are definitely off balance with this hatred. Get some help.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  With a god like that, who needs his fallen angel?
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's definitely one off balance person. I think I've run into more crazies on this site than I've ever run across on my life.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ earnestshub
  
  Again you want me to show you that you do not have any knowledge about life, god or what?
  
  You never replied back to the answers i gave you for your thought process apart from just saying you dis agree or something on similiar notes..
  .
  1.When will u bring something of your own to support yourself?
  2.Why is it that you just support yourself against someone else?
  3.Why do u have to poke your finger in other' s nose?
  
  An advice for you now,
  Let me be fallen angel if you want to say that i do not mind, but next time you better not say anything wrong about god.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can well imagine what sort of motor mechanic you would make!
  
  Why don't you find a cigarette paper and write down all you know?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Earnest, you posted to my post...are you actually talking to me?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hell no Cags! I was directing that to our man who "studied" motor mechanics. I was pointing out that his knowledge may be of the same standard as it is of religion.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh you mean completely ignorant with a capital I?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's the one!
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  spiritualspark3
  
  Come on guys, easy on the new guy, It sounds like an insult chat line,
  
  Sparky, I sense you do have fair amount of knowledge and you ask some good questions.
  
  I do sense you are all over the board and it's difficult for many of us to understand what your centre of balance is, settle down on assuming so much about us and lets slowly get to know each other.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ just_curious
  
  I see a lot of people not reading carefully.
  
  Did you not see, that i said i do not believe in any religion but i believe in god of all religions because i have read all and even came to the conclusion who is that one god which every religion claims to be his own.
  
  Off course i am one off balance, if you get happiness by saying that. however let me also tell you, i have proofs for everything i say not just reading stuff from google or whatever and posting it. I am not talking about you, but that is what majority of people i have seen here do. once you attain love of god, even u will go off balance just_curious because scientist then really need balance, and i am anytime ready to go off balance to balance anyone else.
  
  Cheers for your honest comments...
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do not cheers me. Your philosophy sickens me more than anything I have come across in a great deal of time.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  :-)
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you use proper grammar, instead of pointing out the short comings of Just_Curious. Or is that all you know how to do?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @cagsil
  
  Do u have a better understanding as to what happened in Japan, as per whatever calculations you may put forth.
  I did not bring Japan in Christians world age, if you check one of my post it clearly says where is the conclusion of Age of world.
  Please explain what happened in Japan and why every Japanese did not suffer?
  
  No comments please,
  Just your explanation with some logic if possible!!!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My dear human, if that's what you are calling yourself...if you are arrogant enough to claim to understand 'why' what happened in Japan happens, then I would highly suggest you visit your local shrink.
  
  Secondly, your patronizing remarks are just about as silly as every other believer who happens to be living today.
  
  Thirdly, are you unable to grasp the simple concept of using grammar? as you have suggested to others. It's either you haven't a clue about grammar or just completely uneducated in the use of a forum.
  
  Fourth- this particular thread has NOTHING to do with Japan, and had you read the title, instead of being so self-absorbed in your own mind, then you would know that it is not a topic for discussion, but I guess that escaped you or was beyond your capabilities.
  
  Fifth- I realize you're looking for an argument, and so far, you've not shown enough intelligence to outwit a rock, much less go up against me.
  
  So with that said, if your antics continue, then you will most likely find yourself outside of the forum looking in and there will be nothing you or your pathetic god can do about it.
  
  So... please save yourself the trouble.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have a better option then to go and see a local shrink, i will better pick up scriptures when ever in need.
  
  My patronizing remarks, at least i have remarks, what do u have?
  
  Grammar, can u please prove my grammar wrong where ever u can find it. I know more languages then you and i am sure about it. My message is plain and simple and grammar is in place.
  
  Japan, who brought Japan in this conversation is what u need to check. Its one of your fellow brother who pointed it. I was explaining him about natural calamities not Japan, but then they are so smart with great understanding like yours.
  
  Argument, absolutely, I am debating and beating dry and bogus philosophy that atheist have. You want to consider it as a debate or argument, is your free will.
  
  People who are looking for money and fame need to care about what they write, i have a message that i will deliver no matter if i get kicked out or even die. I do not care about such small things. When one gate is closed, the bigger and better one is what we need to look for and it is always there.
  
  One thing that i noticed is:
  Many like you have actually nothing much to say to support your beliefs, just good cherry pickers. You jump in, with just one ridiculous point and make a mountain out of mole.
  
  This is how argument starts,
  I do not point others, left this way way back,
  Please bring something better to talk,
  I will look after my hub pages and my English.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When God talks about love,what do you think he was meaning?
  
  Read some of your posts and maybe correct disrespectful comments?
  
  Just a suggestion.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let's see, you didn't capitalize the beginning of a sentence.
  Again, you didn't capitalize the beginning of a sentence, and you use a "i" instead of "I" as is should be. Then you use "u" instead of using proper English of "you". As for my remarks, your post speaks volumes about you. Apparently, from your posts, you would be lucky if you were educated any higher than 9th grade.
  The level of ignorance in the posts is evident more so than anything else.
  You asked me to explain what happened in Japan? Dense much? Or just smoking too much wacky weed. Either way, it's irrelevant. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Therefore, after this post, I'm finished with you.
  More junk English. Damn man, what do you think you are in a chat room? This is a public forum on a Professional site. OR did you not read things when you signed up? As for debating a bogus philosophy of an Atheist...again, you fail to remain on TOPIC of the thread, which isn't about the philosophy of the atheists in the thread, but is about CHRISTIANITY and the bible's mythical 6000 year old world. Did you manage to lose sight of that? Apparently so.
  If you could see anything beyond yourself, then you might be able to not walk into the wall you are presently heading for.
  You're not too bright....when you speak of a god, it is YOUR assertion that needs backing and proving. Not the other way around. And, if you were actually able to see beyond yourself, then you would know that. But, since you're unable to, I guess you will be hitting that wall I suggested earlier.
  The actual argument starts when people make absurd assertions that do not consistently balance with reality, which is something believers only fail to realize, like yourself.
  Waste of your time? Yes, please do see it that way, this way I don't have to come back and put you into your place. Be a good Christian and play nice.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Inasmuch as you have displayed an inability to reason in any rational manner, I would assume the obvious answer to this question would elude you, no matter how many people refuted you, or how often they did it. The only silver lining I see around this cloud is that you are, truly, a unique individual. You have caused me to rethink my motto that diversity is always a good thing.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At last we agree on something.
  
  I wonder if you can reason your way through to the underlying cause of this behavior? And perhaps acknowledge that this is the same source as your own inconsistency, contradictory positions and need to attack any who do not believe in a god?
  
  We shall see.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, as much as I enjoy your posts, I must say you are off base on this. I have never, that I can recall, attacked you. I have deflected your attacks, met them head on, laughed hysterically at times and on one occasion cried.
  
  But I do not attack you. Any time I have poked at you it has been in fun. Although I do not take the issue of my spirituality as seriously as you do, your attacks do, at times, cause me to reflect; which is why I continue to patiently suffer them.
  
  I do take umbrage at being compared, in any way, to this dispicable excuse for a mentality. If I had any idea who this person was I would immediately call the authorities. I only hope they are posting in a country far away from the both of us. I see evil intent in these posts.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  spiritualspark3
  
  Is your theme song :
  I was kidding with Mark repenting religion causes so many warz, and because he messes with words like they were spoken in a religious tongue
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You being new, I should have address mark
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sorry for any misunderstanding from my side. let me change that post and address it to mark from myside now.... i take my words back for that post, thanks for updating...
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Castlepaloma,
  
  I appreciate and thank you for the offer to get to know you and anyone else who would be interested.
  
  I am the one, who never wants to argue, however if just one thing goes against beliefs of anyone here they try making a mountain out of a mole, even gives me a reason to break there ego and attitude more and more.
  
  Hope you understand this,
  Regards,
  SpiritualSpark3
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Being new, you want to talk about everything, it's frustrating for a few us who want to stick to this topic of - Christians: Do you really believe that world is 6k years old only?
  
  Take it light; explore the many topics that interest you and enjoy the wonders of the mix bag of people here on the hub pages.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Will definitely keep your advice for future reference.
  
  Yeah, can see a lot of mix bags and even jumbled bags, just kidding.
  
  Thanks for your kind words for me,
  Cheers!!!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You made my case for me, thanks for that.
  
  I have never blocked anyone, never felt the need. I certainly wouldn't block you, nothing you have said threatens my beliefs or anyone else for that matter.
  Also what has that to do with this thread? Still trying to discredit people instead of simply discussing the points made in the thread I see.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am not here to threaten anyone, i am here to take people my way as i know i have the best happiness,
  
  or i m wholeheartedly open to go there way if they can prove there points right over mine...
  
  Till now whomsoever considered that i am fighting is simply because of lack of knowledge, i must not hesitate in saying this.
  
  I am not discrediting anyone, m just crediting god who deserves all the credit. if ur false ego comes in way making u think i am discrediting anyone, then u all may discredit me with better proofs.
  
  i am anytime ready to take all the discredit, and wont hesitate in saying sorry to anyone if they get a upper hand.
  
  To all Atheists:
  "Take me your way but with proofs"
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never made your case for you,
  
  I beat'd your theory about Einstein, if you still need some clarifications on this, please take a print out of your case and my clarifications to a neutral guy who doesn't knows you and me. i think he will be able to show you the difference. i know you are in a mode of ignorance, not to worry have seen many cases like you.
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Phoebe Pikeposted 13 years ago
I don't believe that. Simply put, I think it is a misunderstanding of time. There are people who say to God, a human life is but a blink of an eye, so the average is 74 (for men rounded), so six days for God is quite a bit of time.

Seriously though, I think it's more of a concept then actual scientific times.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I cant begin to tell you how hateful I find your statements.

The examples you give are nauseating.
I have owned dogs my whole life including working dogs, but never needed to kick them.
Your ideas about what your god does to destroy good peoples lives makes me feel ill.
Your god picks the bad people to kill in an air crash too I suppose?
I wish your god would get off his but and stop killing innocent children at the rate of thousands a day.

Disgusting set of beliefs, I hope other religious supporters have the intestinal fortitude to disassociate with your post.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hateful? Atheist has always been full of hatred for god and his powers.
  
  Dogs? you never kicked them because you never got bitten up badly by them. Even dogs understand to every action there is equal and opposite reaction.
  
  My god? There is no my god or your god or anyone's god its just one god for whomsoever, a believer or a nonbeliever.
  
  God picks bad people, don't you throw out a rotten apple? May be you eat it and enjoy the taste in it.
  
  You better bring your philosophies and whatever scientific or atheistic powers to fight back and save people when god wants them to suffer.
  
  Hatred? That you have for me is genuine i agree, even i hate your philosophies but not you.
  
  Hate the sin but love the sinner!!!
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Atheist has always been full of hatred for god"
  How can anybody hate some non-existent being?
  
  "ever got bitten up badly"
  Oh! humans bite gods!!
  
  "God picks bad people, "
  Yes, yes all those children who die young and all those aborted fetuses-terrible sinners!!
  
  "when god wants them to suffer"
  All the while I was thinking Satan as the 'bad guy'!!
  
  "Hate the sin but love the sinner"
  Then kill the sinner-with love!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "God picks bad people, "
  
  and who decides who are bad?...and if that is so why war mongers , presidents who killed 0.1 million , dictators , mafia dons still manage to survive and kids die?...
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Q."Atheist has always been full of hatred for god"
  How can anybody hate some non-existent being?
  
  A. Is that the reason Atheist love god so much that they start fighting just by his name, try to disgrace him in whatever possible way they can? In reality you do not even believe in gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 grandfather, though he is non existing now, what evidence do u hold when he was alive?
  
  Q."ever got bitten up badly"
  Oh! humans bite gods!!
  
  A. Well humans eat humans and are named cannibals, atheist hate God followers, humans kill humans in 7/11, humans rule humans, British ruling Indians. Humans murdering, raping, cheating. Offcourse you are an exception who just loves everyone no matter what, never cheated anyone no matter what, never made any mistake just because you are perfect.
  
  Q."God picks bad people, "
  Yes, yes all those children who die young and all those aborted fetuses-terrible sinners!!
  
  A. How about abortions, cannibals, terrorists? What guarantee do u have that it was first birth of kid who died young. Dying at an early age is a proof of over filling sins even from past births. When water is full in a bucket, it has no way other than overflowing.
  
  Q."when god wants them to suffer"
  A. God even gave them a tremendous wealth to enjoy, land for food, oceans for water, fruits to eat, beautiful places to visit, lovely life to live. What do you do when a guest at your home lives nicely for few days and after few days they try to destroy your house, your things, mess around with you? You the great, embrace them and shower all your love on them and ask them to destroy more isn't it? or do you throw them out after few requests?
  
  Q."Hate the sin but love the sinner"
  Then kill the sinner-with love!
  
  A. Kill??? Thinking oneself to be body is an illusion. Why doctors cannot bring life to someone who dies of heart attack? Just transplant a new working heart and bring life back with working heart, heart was only the problem right?
  Soul has left the body and it cannot be brought back w/o mercy of lord.
  Soul is unborn and eternal it never takes birth it never dies just migrates from one body to another by changing phases of birth and death.
  
  How Intelligent are you.
  Will not be replying any further, you please win in your further comments and be happy.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  calm down..
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Atheist love god so much that they start fighting just by his name, try to disgrace him in whatever possible"
  God can be disgraced?
  
  "not even believe in gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 grandfather, though he is non existing now,"
  Believe? Non existent? Got any idea what you are talking about?
  
  "kill humans in 7/11"
  They too were atheists!!
  
  "filling sins even from past births"
  wow! Great idea! past birth? Was that in heaven or hell?
  
  ""when god wants them to suffer....ou the great, embrace them and shower all your love on them "
  Oh! God has emotions..silly me!!
  
  "Thinking oneself to be body is an illusion"
  Or is it delusion?
  
  "Will not be replying any further"
  How can I? I want to hear more of this wisdom!
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1.How many pure priests did you see fighting? Mother Teresa was just one of them. Fight is provoked by rascals either politicians or pretender of religion.
  
  2. God existed even on earth and he does even today. You have closed your eyes to see him. See him as vast ocean, see his creativity in beautiful flowers & butterflies, see him in Mount Everest (highest peak), Time the controller of the world that is lord. Everything is a product of his creation, let it be this computer also. Why don't you create your own resources rather than picking up his resources from earth?
  
  3. 7/11, do u think Osama BIn Laden is a pure devotee of lord? Pity your knowledge if you think so. Devotee of lord cannot think of even hurting anyone where comes the question of killing.
  
  4. Past birth was never there? You give me a reason, why some are born poor, some rich , some beautiful and some ugly? God is different to them right? Oh no its big bang theory or may be Darwin's theory or the best bogus theory named what ever.
  
  5. Forget about god you will not understand what fun Christ was having when crucified and still praying for people crucifying him.
  
  6. Obviously it is a delusion for you and illusion for me. By the way, what are your plans after death, haha, leaving behind all that you struggled for, family, home, friends and going where? Who cares for the next life, is this one not sufficient to see all this hatred? Will that be your reply, oh no u will pick some thing more funny i know.
  
  7. Replying further? Can do it for months if you ready to listen rather than arguing & i know how keen are you to listen. No more time for you, words of wisdom are meant for wise not for super wise like you.
  
  Haribol
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "How many pure priests did you see fighting"
  Yes, yes pure! Indeed!
  
  '"God existed even on earth and he does even today. You have closed your eyes to see him. See him as vast ocean"
  The recent tsunami in Japan proves it.
  
  "7/11, do u think Osama BIn Laden is a pure devotee of lord"
  No, No Osama ia an atheist!
  
  "You give me a reason"
  Now you ask for reason?
  
  "what fun Christ was having"
  Indeed he prayed "My God, My God! Why Have You Forsaken Me?"
  
  "Obviously it is a delusion for you and illusion for me"
  Do not the difference between illusion and delusion?
  
  "your plans after death"
  Plans? after death?
  
  "wisdom are meant for wise not for super wise like you."
  After revelation from your god you should be super wise!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  or otherwise...
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I don't do hate, I will leave that to experts in it.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Haha,
  
  As i said before, every time you think you are funny you just need a mirror.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Cant put my finger on it....but something aint right
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Eaglekiwi,
  
  That is okay, you know what, when people cannot prove there points they just pick one thing, make a bigger thing out of it and present it,as a argument raised by other side. Never mind for such tiny minds.
  
  Cheers!!!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you consider what it may be that ain't quite right?
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I definitely considered and that is the reason i asked you to take someone's advice who does not knows you or me.
  
  Now i can understand there is no point in defeating you again and again, not because i want to win or loose, just because you do not want to understand.
  
  May be you are perfect living being and definitely perfect beings do not follow any advice other than there own.
  
  Mirror please...
  I am done with my knowledge and checked yours as well.
  Have a good day ahead.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Far from defeating anyone, I am yet to see an intelligent reply on any of the points in dispute.
  Despite your amazing confidence, in your English, it is very poor and hard to follow.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @earnestshub
  
  You definitely win, do you doubt it?
  
  You win, I reward you to be the best hub writer, best mechanic, best atheist, best English speaker, best reasonable, best whatever you want to be.
  
  Now i need to stop else you might get constipated you look better as super human. Be content now. You are not a kid anymore that you keep on bringing silly things to argue.
  
  Grow up,
  You already in b/w 40-55 i assume.
  Stop celebrating birthday's prepare a bit for death now as may be 20-30 more years.
  Your theories, your cars, your hubs, your arguments, your beloved one's, your home nothing goes with you. At least grab some good knowledge man. Whom you think you win over once you are dead? Please do not come as demon and try scaring me then. He He
  
  Any further comments from you will be ignored till we catch up in next interesting forum.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion of me is none of my business.
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  spiritualspark3posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @ Eaglekiwi
  
  Thanks for asking me to take back few of my comments.
  I only few comments back, few i could not edit or delete because of time limit.
  
  Some i do not want to take back as they are good where they are.
  
  Appreciated your help,
  Thanks once again.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Christians : Do you really believe that world is 6k years old only?

Maybe they believe that Adam was the first person who received Word of Revelation 6000 years ago.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There was proven arts and cultures 30,000 years ago, how did we miss Adam and Eve and maybe Steve?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Australian aborigine can be traced back 46,000 years.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did Australian aborigine make art back 46,000 years ago?
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  they did drawings in caves
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @paar you mean to say that humans till 6k years ago didnt need word of god and were happy and prosperous....as earnest says aussies have 46,000 year old history of human habitat...so till 40k years god's word ws not important so why it needs to be given any weight age now?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Humans are not off-springs of one Adam; Aussies had different Adam and Eve.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paarsurrey
  
  I would like to hear the story about the black Adam and Eve from the land of OZZ , does it go back 46,000 years
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  Baileybearposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the aborigines were not separate species - they came from elsewhere (Africa, I think)
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't tell stories; and the issue does not concern religion much; it relates to science .
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Jen Buczynskiposted 13 years ago
Yes, I do. There's no "proof" either way, so I'll believe the same Book that I believe is the Truth on every other subject too.
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  Castlepalomaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jen Buczynski Welcome to the hub pages
  
  Are all your anwsers about the whole World and Universe are in just one book?
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skyfireposted 13 years ago
Imagine the amount of gas in ark, if all the animals farted at the same time or even do shit. How that ark managed the toilet system for the wild animals ?
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  superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How ironic; turns out the story of noah's ark is both literally and metaphorically full of s**t.
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a2z-a2z.composted 13 years ago
Hi

I am not quite sure about the creation of the world but to best of my knowledge human being only livid on this world not more than 10,000 years. Its somewhat near to the initial question!
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To the best of your knowledge human beings lived in this world not more than 80 years!
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