Have we hit rock bottom yet?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 13 years ago

   What do you guys think? Is that it for the Panda update or will we be seeing more drops when it rolls out to non-English googles?
   
   My experience so far is 50% loss of traffic, 80% loss of income. Give or take - still bouncing around and just had to take all ebay affiliate links off so more to lose I suspect. Is that typical for you guys as well?

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      sofsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have... LOL  almost down to 70% traffic...  yikes hate to be here ( down) after all the hard work

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      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, flat as a mill pond and worse since the rollout hit OZ. The last two days have struggled up about 10% which I expect will drop again tomorrow.
      I still can't make any sense of it.

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      BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Mark, my traffic just about recovered after the first wave, adsense is non-existent, but amazon continues to reach payout. This last panda change wiped 50% off my traffic, but today it is slightly better, so I'm just hopeing that the traffic will come back like it did after the first change.
      Joined the hp ad programme on the 2nd wave, its only making a $ dollar a day, so may revert to just using adsense from next month. Sorry to hear it affected you so badly.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Glad to hear you are still hitting payout. I am nowhere near not reaching payout, but it is an unsettling loss of income. I got less than 8% commission on Amazon for the first time in quite a while last month. And we have not yet seen the full effect of the latest change.
         
         Some of my own sites actually benefited with similar increases compared to the losses here.
         
         Diversification is better than hoping.

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            canadawest99posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I have seen some recovery in the last few days.  Most of last week were 1 and 2 dollar days but the last 3 or 4 have been closer to $5 & $7.

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   ngurecoposted 13 years ago

   As regards traffic, I had the lowest low yesterday, which is about 50% since Feb 24, 2011.
   
   As regard earnings, I have lost about 50%. Percentage-wise, the page CTR has been high but Page eCPM has been very low.
   
   Traffic's trend is downward until it proves itself otherwise. I have a feeling this is the lowest it can get with or without non-English Googles.
   
   This domain seems to have been getting preferential treatment from big G but it looks as if the party is over - we have to learn to feed ourselves.

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   CMHypnoposted 13 years ago

   Traffic on the floor, Adsense almost non-existent, Amazon not doing too bad considering the poor traffic.
   
   Probably get more traffic if I started carving my hubs on stone tablets and handed them out on the high street!

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      EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yesterday my cats' litter tray got more traffic than my hubs did
      
      And yet my Amazon has improved compared to last month - it hurts to think how well I might be doing on Amazon if it hadn't been for both waves of the panda.

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         CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I was having a better month in Feb pre Panda on Amazon than I had in either Nov/Dec, so I agree with you Empress - hurts to think how good March or April could have been on Amazon. Still got to appreciate what is still coming in. Thank you Universe and please send more!!!!!

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   My traffic was almost back, or perhaps the same as, pre-Panda US levels. Now it is lower than ever, but hey it's Monday - the only way is up!

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      CMHypnoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The up side is that lately I've written some hubs that have been previously on the back burner, because they never will get much traffic/make money, but are on subjects that really interest me.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Evening All.
   
   It's been an intetesting set of falls lately.. life on the 18th Floor was at least compensated by the view
   
   But this has been like being locked in a Free Falling Lift and you get a recorded message on the maintenance phone
   
   And I don't believe that we have even hit the 3rd floor yet.
   
   ...Bugger I parked on B7
   
   
   
   3 - Ebay Bailouts and Online Skunk Dating Hubbers
   
   
   2 - Pakistani Stolen Content Syndicate Distributors
   
   
   1 - Adsense Dollar-Each-Way Punters and Affiliate Scratchers
   
   
   G - Management Reserves and Coffee Makers only
   
   
   B1 - Executive Closet Skulkers, Quasi Hub Hoppers and Trolls only
   
   
   B2 - Mormon Ponzi Schemes and Article Thieves reserved parking.
   
   
   B3 - Content farms and dung beetle parking only
   
   
   B4 - Amazon reviews parking and MLM affiliate sites HQs.
   
   
   B5 - skin of your teeth parking & dupe contentment parking only
   
   
   
   B6  SSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAATT
   
   
   
   B7 - poets, banned substances and accurate toxic comments parking only
   
   
   
   B8  - skateboard, church mice, broken-butts and moose parking only
   
   
   B9 - Believers in Unrealistic Expectations and Alike

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      BaliMermaidposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey PearlDiver, Welcome back!
      
      Are  we allowed to discuss mr68 and his antics. Don't want either of us to cross some line we don't know about? I have some interesting info about some of their latest tactics.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hi BaliMermaid.. Thanks, but I won't be 'back' for much longer!
         
         Just PM me...
         I'm a bit sick of the double set of standards that we're expected to silently accept on this site
         I'm afraid I'm Not Prepared To Compromise my Integrity and Ethics for those who have knowingly (for whatever reason) mismanaged their Duty of Care and feel that Banning the Honesty is the best option to deal with that level of culpability
         
         As far as the 68 turkeys are concerned - I am aware of 10 years of their respective histories... - It is NOT the same as you thought and sent me before.. but please do PM me and I will contact you back directly.

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      SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      hey PD...i see you're back for  now.

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         Pearldiverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hey Someway, Ummmm!

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   Joy56posted 13 years ago

   I feel for you Mark, honest i do.  i had no income so have little to lose.  Hope to one day get some good articles out there.  Hope you read them and give me the thumbs up .....

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      ngurecoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      50% of Zero is Zero - whoever does not have, nothing can be taken from him. No wonder tithing is based on 10% of gross earning.

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   recommend1posted 13 years ago

   Is this a good time for the news that my poetry on my 'other' name went UP in visits per week for every Google hit and is now double per day pre-Google levels - constantly - as far as I can see - Adsense earnings have made as much in the last month as the whole of the year prior to Googletastrophy.  Now the numbers and amounts are very small but double is still double and I calculate a rise in earnings of about 500%.
   
   Interesting huh !
   
   Kinda 'bears' out my opinion that unique sources of info get a good rating in Google.  So the trillion product hubs that together are all the same don't cut it - no surprise to me I have to say.
   
   Of course it could just be that my avatar has protected me

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      Joy56posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I want to read your poems, where are they what is your other name........ having a panda as an avatar is a wise move.

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         prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I am only guessing that alternate poet is a happy one or chinaman. Panda loves China?? Biswanath Panda who is causing all of these is an Indian American LOL

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         recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Poetry is under alternate poet. 
         
         I came on with the Panda avatar at almost the precisely correct moment - purely by accident.  I had the whole thing on the pics for my site and just cut out the face in a hurry, got 'the look' though hasn't he

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   Froggy213posted 13 years ago

   For me traffic is down, but coming back up on some hubs--Google is back to giving me some spare change--never did well with Amazon, but my Ebay income is killing me--I was doing well with it, but not now.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I have removed my ePn affiliate ID from here and I suggest you do the same. Ebay will boot you if you keep sending low quality traffic.
      
      I now have 150 hubs on which I will be changing ebay for Amazon capsules.

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   barryrutherfordposted 13 years ago

   While the heart beats there is hope

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    hassamposted 13 years ago

    I have lost 50% of my traffic now and my income has also dropped to about 50%. I am at the same place where I was last year with around 300 articles.
    
    I am just confused what to do, since I wan't to publish more articles but I am afraid they will go to a waste. I thought publishing more articles here at hubpages would benefit me in the long term. But things aren't going that way now. 
    
    Strange but I am seeing most of my well performing articles at the 1st page on google but traffic has gone really low.
    
    Strange as to why google has rolled out these changes, as content farms provide huge revenue to google. They to have their own content farm Google Knol, that is one of the crappiest site ever.
    
    I don't know the stats of knol articles. Perhaps any one writing articles there could share how their traffic has effected.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    This may be a silly question, but does anyone know what happens when you disable the hubpages adds?
    
    Do they stay on your page, and you just don't get paid for them?

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       Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You just go back to adsense only.

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          earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks mate!

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    Richieb799posted 13 years ago

    I had my highest ever payout at Xmas but from there it dropped below £100 and then I had £85 this month and expecting £70 for April.
    
    bare in mind threshold is £60. I tried HP Ad program for a month but decided I didn't want 2 programs competing for revenue. 
    
    I'm shuck up badly but hanging on for dear life.

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    Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago

    I have a stunning loss of traffic that rebounded for a few days, then went down even further. I was a few dollars from adsense payout, but that seems to have been permanently delayed with almost no income from that source. HP ad sharing program seems to be gathering steam and momentum, but that isn't really encouraging, considering the pace. I had thought that by sticking it out here that I would eventually recover, but I'm not seeing much of that at all, nor sure I will.

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    sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago

    Looking back a year...
    In 2010 between April 1st and 15th I had 147,007 hits.
    In 2011 I had 51,467.
    You can't say actual Adsense earnings since it's against TOS, but let's just say that earnings are cut in half.

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    Michael Willisposted 13 years ago

    Traffic is still way down, but some days it does better. Earnings are non-existent. 1 click in 7 days = $0.01. $.15 for the month to date.
    The Ads appearing are a joke and have nothing whatsoever to do with the hubs. It seems Google has punished us with the Bottom of the barrel scrap Ads.
    I would think HP would be saying something to Google about this. I have read others are having similar Ads on their hubs as well.

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    prettydarkhorseposted 13 years ago

    I noticed a decrease in number of clicks and the amount of it. Maybe this is niche specific as others reported increased earnings. After the second roll out of Panda and with the HP adsense ads, the more I can't have a good grasp of what is happening.
    
    I noticed that every weekend even though my traffic is lower than it used to be, the price of click is higher, so for the past three weekends, it has been like that. This last weekend was good.
    
    I don't know how to assess this, maybe due to the advertisers being stingy and cautious because of the Panda algo, they don't want to spend just yet (we will see the Q1 2011 report of G if they earned a whole lot more comparing to the last q of 2010), tax season??, or G assigned adverts which have low values here at HP. (what are other webmasters experiences??)
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    Now I saw this after posting that comment
    
    April 14, 2011
    Google Reports Q1 2011 Earnings, Record Revenue of $8.58 Billion
    
    "Google shocked the search world when it announced that Larry Page would replace Eric Schmidt as CEO effective in April -- the same day Google announced Q4 revenues of $8.44 billion and $2.54 billion in profit -- both company highs. Today Page is in the spotlight as Google reported $8.58 billion in Q1 2011 revenue -- a 27 percent increase over Q1 2010 when the company reported $6.77 billion in revenue".
    
    but CPC decreased --
    
    "Average cost-per-click, which includes clicks related to ads served on Google sites and the sites of Google AdSense partners, increased approximately 8% over Q1 2010 and decreased about 1 percent over the Q4 2010".
    
    Source : http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/110414-160637

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       Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The low pay ads have to be hurting HP as well. If we make less, they also make less. I hope they are trying to find a way to get better ads on the site. The HP Ad program makes more than Adsense for me, but that is Not saying anything. It is not doing well either.

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          prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I understand and perhaps they (HP staff) are doing statistical analysis out of all of the fiasco here. Like maximizing the returns out of the HP Ads Program  and adsense (given the layout program we are using the YB) and studying hubs per niches and looking at the impact of the two updates so far, and relating it to the new rules like amazon/ebay word ratio, etc. then they can relay to us afterwards.

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             Michael Willisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I hope they can find an answer to this. I will say that my main money makers are most profitable from August through the end of January.
             I really hope we have bottomed out with this Panda hit.

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                prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I hope so too, we can't go too low , LOL
                
                HP staff are doing their best so far I think, like way before the Panda updates, they incorporated social sharing like FB and twitter, then I remember they alerted us about hubs which are duplicated elsewhere and what to do with it. They also added ratings after the comment section of our hubs (this is what G is doing now plus 1). The only thing is that there are many new hubbers which are signing and posting spam all over.
                
                And I read somewhere that those sites which are heavily affected if they like some kind of assistance with G, they can have it, that is why perhaps there are some blogs by G employees here.

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       emievilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Hey PD, that's funny because I noticed the same thing too. I get fewer views during week-ends but my Adsense earnings are higher. I have a theory in mind but I'm waiting for another week end or two to see if this is really the case.

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          prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Share it after emie, take care!

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             emievilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             yep will do. Got more time in my hands now after April 15 (thank God! - ooopppsss sorry Mark) .

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                prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                He will understand!! LOL

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             gracenotesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             prettydarkhorse and emievil,
             
             I can confirm what you are saying.  Less traffic on the weekends, but higher click values for Saturday/Sunday.
             
             I haven't had quite the same experience as some other hubbers on the quality of the Adsense ads that are served.  I've checked some of my better hubs, and the ads are very contextual, and, in fact, are some of the same ads that appeared pre-Panda.  I'm sure it has something to do with the niche.
             
             If I continue to make money only on the weekends, my total earnings for April will probably be half of March's total. 

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 13 years ago

    Like most here my viewings are now down by about 50%, and although I am on the Hubpages Ad program, the 'up to 50% higher earnings than on Adsense' predicted has not come to pass, and in fact I am only just about taking the same as I was on Adsense alone with the exception of the odd day here and there. Naturally Adsense now only produces pennies because it is so rarely visible on the hubs. I really feel that starting to write more elsewhere on sites like Ryankett's Excerptz.com is the way to go, as they not only pay 80% of Adsense revenue to their authors, but they were completely unaffected by the Panda changes.

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    waynetposted 13 years ago

    I know I myself have lost a lot of traffic just like everyone else now I am nearly down to 1500 views a day instead of the 3000 plus that I was on previous to this Panda bear update!
    
    I am creating other income streams with a view to coming back to Hubpages some time next year and seeing if things are better and I have a feeling they will be with Hubpages great staff and engineers...Just I like many rely on online income to pay the bills and keep things rolling on otherwise I'd have to get another part time job and I aint getting one of those if I can help it!
    
    I suppose we have to have a huge fall for a rise of Hubpages to happen just at the moment I have to manage some new sites and make them my own to survive this search engine update!

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    Azure11posted 13 years ago

    Well I am struggling to decide whether to keep doing more hubs. I really stepped it up for a few months this year wanting to earn more adsense income but it seems like I started just at the wrong time. I can't really tell if the US panda hit me much as I wasn't doing much before then but when i started writing hubs after that I did start to see my views increase. But then over the last 4-5 days my views have dived and adsense has slacked right off.
    
    So is it worth me writing more and hoping it gets better?
    
    I was thinking also that if we are all losing out on adsense income then google must be too unless somehow someone else is seeing an increase so surely they might think of tweaking back again so they make more money...

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    LOL. I don't know why people take 'panda' surname as name of animal. In india, it is pronounced like - 'puh-un-da' and as per north indian history that surname belongs to priest bloodline.

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       prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       priest bloodline, descendant of the RC God skyfire..LOL

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          skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          More on panda here.

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             prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Thanks for the link skyfire! nice new avatar, falling hair in front of your face BTW!!

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                Susan Ngposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Skyfire's avatar has been catching my eye as well. Is that Sosuke Aizen? He's so hot. Haha!

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                   prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I think so!!

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                      wheelinalloverposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      One thing is for sure, my avatar is hurting me, but I still believe I am right for using it. Way too many people are getting (see avatar) by panda and the changes hubpages has had to make to keep compliant.
                      
                      I know we are being (see avatar) by people taking our work and making money off them on other sites. This hurts all of us.
                      
                      When is Google going to see that much of our work is so good that others think they have to plagiarize it, and make some changes so people can find ours first.
                      
                      Right now I am getting more hits from Yahoo, Bing, and social sites than I am from Google. Makes me wonder if the idea of promoting, our own, or hubs written by others on blogs and social sites might bring everyone's numbers up.
                      See the forum post, A Game Idea To Promote Our hubs

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    rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

    I saw this article last night concerning what Wall Street thinks of Larry Page. http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/17/wall-s … ge-google/  [of course, keep in mind, this is wall street:/]
    
    
    
    
    
    I haven't opened Amazon for over a week, AdSense is ____________
    Hp is hobbling along. Yesterday's views were very low, perhaps a combination of factors, including springtime.

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       IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I read the comments section of that article too. Interesting to note that others think Google search is pathetic now since the changes.

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          rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I read them also, some good points they brought up.
          
          Salary increases..   Google truly is its own world.

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       prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Oh what happened to the Russia man - founder of Google Sergey Brin or Grin I think who nearly resigned because of the China - google privacy issue. They changed the CEO.
       
       Thanks for the link Ms Rebekkah!

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    sunforgedposted 13 years ago

    Theoretically, its not the bottom, not even close.
    
    Since Hp lost so much search visibility, searchers will find the site less and less and will not have the opportunity to share with friends and such which will over time continue to drop HP authority and traffic. (less organic backlinks and social buzz = additional drop in rankings and site authority)
    
    Unless:
    
    A) HP Authors become much more educated and savvy in the ways of the web
    
    B) HP's fixes actually do regain the the love of G
    
    
    This current point will be a high note compared to what we will see this time next year

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       frogdroppingposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       I'm down, way down. Can it get any lower? Quite possibly. So another

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          sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          If they cant find it, they cant share it and link to it.
          
          If a site gets less links and activity it loses rankings, up or down, its a pretty much always a snowball style change with rankings and traffic

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             rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I'm just replying to say how adorable your daughter is... keep posting so we can see her.

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                sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                lol, thanks!
                
                We brought her to the grocery store this weekend, for the first time she sat in the cart instead of her car seat.
                
                she literally caused traffic jams and double takes. It actually got a bit annoying having to be stopped so frequently!
                
                i liked <--- that picture so much i got it blown up to poster size
                
                

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                   theherbivorehippiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Oh my gosh!! She is SO perfect!

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                      sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      ok - last one
                      
                      (i just figured out how to use facebook for image hosting )
                      
                      

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         She is a cutie all right.
                         
                         Don't envy you in 15 or so years time.

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                         rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, I like your FB videos and pics. I'm sure to smile when I see them. Thanks for sharing with us!

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                         lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         Wow!  These pics of a cute girl just take over any thread on HP!  I am now at the stage you will be at in 13 and 18 years, and yes the gray hair is rolling in. 

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                   rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I'm sure Mark won't mind a few *smile* worthy posts on this thread.  Enjoy it, I remember those days; it's nice that people still thrill when seeing such a cute baby. There's something rather zen about it...

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                   prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   oh, I can be nanny if I am near there, free. Pretty girl, she looks like you, but with diff color of hair!!! As Mr Mark said, you will be in trouble guarding her against the boys after 12 years, LOL!
                   
                   That made my day!

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          sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          What do you think will happen to your personal earnings IF this ever becomes a reality?
          
          http://hubpages.com/ad_examples/levis/index.html
          
          

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             lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             So true. I took a similar screen capture yesterday for posterity, since the whole thing seemed too ludicrous:
             
             
             
             Notice the topic of the hub: visiting a Japanese shinto shrine.
             
             Notice the advertiser: Swaddlers diapers.
             
             Nuff said.

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    Susan Ngposted 13 years ago

    I really hope things will get better soon. My Adsense earnings from HubPages has dropped alarmingly since around the last week of March. It's almost non-existent now.

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       Azure11posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       In the last week of March I had nothing whatsoever, a drop from at least 1-2 clicks daily - I thought it was the new ad layout as it didn't seem intuitive to me to click on anything as it was all right at the top or way down the bottom.

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    Haha. She's Cute. Sunforged 
    
    
    I think YB needs quick update as well.

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    lrohnerposted 13 years ago

    I know this is OT, but can someone tell me why my pics are shrinky dinking when I put them in a forum post?

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       sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think your linking to the thumbnail?
       
       Try right clicking and viewing the source before using the link.
       
       paste the original size, rather than the view you see in your hubpictures folder
       
       
       
       Double click and then an ajax window (like in facebook) pops up and then you should see the "full size image " option?

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          lrohnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I used the snipping tool to grab the capture and just saved it on my desktop. Then I used upload and grabbed the original. How should I be doing it?

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             sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I normally use Fireshot
             
             https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefo … /fireshot/
             
             since it captures and uploads in a few clicks and then gives you the code
             
             They DO make versions for IE and chrome
             http://www.google.com/search?q=fireshot … =firefox-a
             
             Your process was prob fine, It just seemed that many people in the "share your desktop" thread were using hubphotos as the imahe host and then wondering why the image was small - i saw your image was hubhosted - Im just assuming that with one more click so you are "full size or original image" you would get the address for the larger image.

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                skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Crashed my FF 4, looks like it is under beta for 4.0. 

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                   sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   ff4 is still quite new, i know my laptop is still running a beta build of  it, so it cant have been to long since they rolled it out as the official build?
                   
                   
                   Im sure Fshot will catch up quick, i rather have my core add-ons then the newest version of FF anyway - seoquake wasnt working on ff4 either

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    lrohnerposted 13 years ago

    Adorable, SF! I predict a rash of gray hair in about 13 years.

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