I was talking to a Muslim and he told me:
"There can be only one God, because two forces in the universe, of that magnitude, would surely become jealous of each other and fight for dominance."
What do ya'll think?
I think there's so many it's caused global warming
just saying
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maybe if there were more they'd start breeding and there'd be too many of them
You must go to Wall-mart on Pagan Tuesday sometime. They sell gods for a dime a dozen.
Quran provides the argument:
[21:20] To Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who are in His presence do not disdain to worship Him, nor do they weary;
[21:21] They glorify Him night and day; and they flag not.
[21:22] Have they taken gods from the earth who raise the dead?
[21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute.
[21:24] He cannot be questioned as to what He does, but they will be questioned.
[21:25] Have they taken gods beside Him? Say, ‘Bring forth your proof. Here is the Book of those with me, and the Book of those before me.’ Nay, most of them know not the truth, and so they turn away.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=22
"[21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute."
Sounds like the same general concept the Muslim I was talking to mentioned. Why would both have gone to ruin? Your book doesn't say.
The word la-fasadata (f-s-d) is translated as ruin and also has the meaning of disorder or chaos.
The reasons are mentioned in this word.
The Universe is working in one system; two gods will mean two systems for the universe which will ruin the system and create disorder in the universe as is very obvious.
I think the primary point that answers your question is the 'lord of the throne' part. The buck probably has to stop somewhere. Any belief in gods would lead to the concept of one over all. Which would cause the others to slowly take a back seat as more and more worshiped the one above the others. Or, so it would seem to me.
Which is what happened in all the pantheons. Which is also what usually happens in societies, I guess gods find it difficult to be democratic.
I think your friend said a great deal more about the muslim philosophy than he intended to.
You could be right. But do you think there could be more than one god? If not, why not?
I find it MUCH more difficult to imagine how a single God could exist. Everything in our experience, living or not, is part of a larger community of like items. Multiple animals, multiple species, multiple rocks, multiple planets and suns. About the only thing we believe to be singular is the universe itself, and that is probably because it is, in a way, a human concept for everything else.
I'm with you. If you see one cockroach you know there are more. If one god exists there must be more than one. Unless god is the universe,
But, Slarty, what would make you think that there would be only one Universe?
Because no matter how many uniberses there are, there is only one totality! lol....
Took the words right out of my mouth. My belief in God is defined as the entirety of all creation existing as a whole, like a giant organized cell.
The probability of a god existing is non-existent. If one did exist, then the possibility of more is likely. Making the probability greater and not non-existent.
Since the probability of one is non-existent, then it is impossible for one to exist.
Did all this always exist? Could something exist now if there was ever a time when nothing existed?
Something has had to always exist for anything to exist now. Can't get something from nothing.
And we didn't always exist, nor did the earth. By definition, what ever created or produced us is named god. So a god must exist.
The question is, is this god a conscious being? Or is it a natural process?
I'm an atheist, so I say it is likely a natural process. The process of existence, if you like.
But you are right. It should be up to theists to prove their god is even possible. The probabilities do approach zero.
There is nothing to prove except that which we can prove to ourselves.
Can I prove without a doubt to YOU ,,, how much I love a "T" Bone steak ?
No, I can not ! you would have to take my word for it that! I absolutely love "T" bone steak.
BUT then again ???? I might be just pushing your leg!
Maybe I am a Vegetatian????
You just gotta take my word for it.
Or Not!
Or I just don't form a belief about it and leave it at that. I know you are telling me you love T bone. I've heard your nickname is T bone. And, I looked in your shopping cart last time you went to the supermarket. There was at least one T bone in there. You can't push my leg and tell me it's raining. lol....
Yeah. That thing theists talk about all the time as if it is real. You know... the thing that created the universe 6000 years ago or more? No? Never heard of the concept? Well never mind then....
So many people says so many thing about this god stuff, that it is very confusing. Let them first decide what this thing is, then we can talk about whatever it is..
Creation?? Well theists don't care whether there is merit in their arguments?
Oh so you have heard of it. Too bad. The Catholics say if you never heard of it you don't automatically go to hell for not worshiping it. But once you have heard of it there is no excuse not to worship it. I thought you were one of the lucky ones. lol...
I agree that it should be better defined. But generally speaking we don't have to know exactly what it is as long as we define it as that which created or produced the universe and everything in it.
That could mean it is just a natural process. If it is, and that's my take on it, then it is a lot of related processes working together as one.
"There can be only one God, because two forces in the universe, of that magnitude, would surely become jealous of each other and fight for dominance."
It sounds like this person was referring to a God as in capital "G," not a lowercase "g." This would be consistent with the Muslim mentality, which is almost pathologically monotheist: "there is no god but Allah, blah, blah."
A god can be any powerful supernatural deity. But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical.
That's why I capitalized the word. lol...
"But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical."
Yes. But the question I put to him is: "Why can there be only one god? Why not a dozen?" and he answered with the above.
I think it says a lot about what his god is like, as wilderness mentioned above. The same as the Christian god, in fact. He's a jealous mess and would kill another god if it existed. And people worship this thing? lol....
Well, if you lived in a cosmic North Korea, you'd be well-advised to worship the Dear Leader... ahem... Dear Lord, too!
Hard to believe, isn't it? But that is exactly where the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god was based on. No doubt. Every king in the region said he was a son of god back then.
there are millions of gods, but there can only be one true god, is that not so.
There can only be one god because whoever that was, created all other things, however God could allow (and has) allowed lesser gods to function.
There are no other gods; so there is no question of allowing other gods to function. It must be a fallacy.
How do you know? Don't quote a book. Give me a rational reason.
I give the reason mentioned in the Book; it will stand even if I don't quote from the Truthful Word revealed.
Is it difficult to understand that a system works only if it is from one authority? if there will be two or more authorities one will overcome the other and only one will remain as an absolute power.
Sorry, but the Quran cannot support the Quran.
You mean, like a dictatorship works but a system of democracy would not?
So, again we see evidence of one entity destroying the other in order to gain absolute power over all. I wonder what sort of doctrine would teach that type of decision making process to it's followers?
Isn't religion marvelous?
Dunno about marvelous but some are hilarious!
Dunno about marvelous but some are hilarious!
Maybe god made himself a female god out of his own rib and then had baby gods. Why not?
The logic of the book is faulty. There have always been pantheons of gods. If a god has a sun or daughter they are gods.
Gender is only for the mortal beings; for continuation of life; for the Immortal it is a blemish:
[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … php?ch=112
Hilarious isn't it?
A god so insecure he has to keep bleating that he is the only god.
A bit like my little fella who wants to be known as superspiderman, except he is more mature about it.
"There can only be one god because whoever that was, created all other things"
Assumes a first creation like the big-bang.
Is there no other way to think?
"only one will remain as an absolute power."
How about night and day?
Night and day follow one another; don't you observe.
"Night and day follow one another; don't you observe."
Guess not.
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