Why can there be but one god?

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  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
    Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years ago

    I was talking to a Muslim and he told me:

    "There can be only one God, because two forces in the universe, of that magnitude, would surely become jealous of each other and fight for dominance."

    What do ya'll think?

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think there's so many it's caused global warming

      just saying

      hmm:

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
        Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        No, man. That was my fault. Ate too many beans in the 70s.

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          lol

          lmfao

          nice

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      Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      maybe if there were more they'd start breeding and there'd be too many of them

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
        Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        You must go to Wall-mart on Pagan Tuesday sometime. They sell gods for a dime a dozen. wink

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Quran provides the argument:

      [21:20] To Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who are in His presence do not disdain to worship Him, nor do they weary;
      [21:21] They glorify Him night and day; and they flag not.
      [21:22] Have they taken gods from the earth who raise the dead?
      [21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute.
      [21:24] He cannot be questioned as to what He does, but they will be questioned.
      [21:25] Have they taken gods beside Him? Say, ‘Bring forth your proof. Here is the Book of those with me, and the Book of those before me.’ Nay, most of them know not the truth, and so they turn away.
      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=22

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
        Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        "[21:23] If there had been in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside Allah, then surely both would have gone to ruin. Glorified then be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, above what they attribute."

        Sounds like the same general concept the Muslim I was talking to mentioned. Why would both have gone to ruin? Your book doesn't say.

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          paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          The word la-fasadata (f-s-d) is translated as ruin and also has the meaning of disorder or chaos.

          The reasons are mentioned in this word.
          The Universe is working in one system; two gods will mean two systems for the universe which will ruin the system and create disorder in the universe as is very obvious.

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          just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I think the primary point that answers your question is the 'lord of the throne' part. The buck probably has to stop somewhere. Any belief in gods would lead to the concept of one over all. Which would cause the others to slowly take a back seat as more and more worshiped the one above the others. Or, so it would seem to me.

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
            Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Which is what happened in all the pantheons. Which is also what usually happens in societies, I guess gods find it difficult to be democratic. wink

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 12 years ago

    I think your friend said a great deal more about the muslim philosophy than he intended to.

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
      Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You could be right. But do you think there could be more than one god? If not, why not?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I find it MUCH more difficult to imagine how a single God could exist.  Everything in our experience, living or not, is part of a larger community of like items.  Multiple animals, multiple species, multiple rocks, multiple planets and suns.  About the only thing we believe to be singular is the universe itself, and that is probably because it is, in a way, a human concept for everything else.

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
          Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I'm with you. If you see one cockroach you know there are more. If one god exists there must be more than one. Unless god is the universe, wink

          1. Cagsil profile image70
            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            But, Slarty, what would make you think that there would be only one Universe? tongue lol

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
              Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              Because no matter how many uniberses there are, there is only one totality! lol....

          2. Jonathan Janco profile image61
            Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Took the words right out of my mouth. My belief in God is defined as the entirety of all creation existing as a whole, like a giant organized cell.

  3. Cagsil profile image70
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    The probability of a god existing is non-existent. If one did exist, then the possibility of more is likely. Making the probability greater and not non-existent.

    Since the probability of one is non-existent, then it is impossible for one to exist. wink

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
      Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did all this always exist? Could something exist now if there was ever a time when nothing existed?

      Something has had to always exist for anything to exist now. Can't get something from nothing.

      And we didn't always exist, nor did the earth. By definition, what ever created or produced us is named god. So a god must exist.

      The question is, is this god a conscious being? Or is it a natural process?

      I'm an atheist, so I say it is likely a natural process. The process of existence, if you like.

      But you are right. It should be up to theists to prove their god is even possible. The probabilities do approach zero.  wink

      1. Jerami profile image59
        Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        There is nothing to prove except that which we can prove to ourselves.

            Can I prove without a doubt to YOU ,,,  how much I love a "T" Bone steak ? 

            No,  I can not ! you would have to take my word for it that!  I absolutely love "T" bone steak.


           BUT   then again ????    I might be just pushing your leg!
        Maybe I am a Vegetatian????   


            You just gotta take my word for it.

            Or Not!

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
          Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Or I just don't form a belief about it and leave it at that. I know you are telling me you love T bone. I've heard your nickname is T bone. And, I looked in your shopping cart last time you went to the supermarket. There was at least one T bone in there. You can't push my leg and tell me it's raining. lol....

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    jomineposted 12 years ago

    God????

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
      Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah. That thing theists talk about all the time as if it is real. You know... the thing that created the universe 6000 years ago or more? No? Never heard of the concept? Well never mind then.... wink

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        jomineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        smile
        So many people says so many thing about this god stuff, that it is very confusing. Let them first decide what this thing is, then we can talk about whatever it is..
        Creation?? Well theists don't care whether there is merit in their arguments? smile

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
          Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Oh so you have heard of it. Too bad. The Catholics say if you never heard of it you don't automatically go to hell for not worshiping it. But once you have heard of it there is no excuse not to worship it. I thought you were one of the lucky ones. lol...

          I agree that it should be better defined. But generally speaking we don't have to know exactly what it is as long as we define it as that which created or produced the universe and everything in it.

          That could mean it is just a natural process. If it is, and that's my take on it, then it is a lot of related processes working together as one.

  5. secularist10 profile image60
    secularist10posted 12 years ago

    "There can be only one God, because two forces in the universe, of that magnitude, would surely become jealous of each other and fight for dominance."

    It sounds like this person was referring to a God as in capital "G," not a lowercase "g." This would be consistent with the Muslim mentality, which is almost pathologically monotheist: "there is no god but Allah, blah, blah."

    A god can be any powerful supernatural deity. But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical.

    1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
      Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's why I capitalized the word. lol...

      "But if you define "God" as the ONLY all-powerful and all-knowing entity in existence, then, by definition, there can only be one. It's simple semantics, as is typical."

      Yes. But the question I put to him is: "Why can there be only one god? Why not a dozen?" and he answered with the above.

      I think it says a lot about what his god is like, as wilderness mentioned above. The same as the Christian god, in fact. He's a jealous mess and would kill another god if it existed. And people worship this thing? lol....

      1. secularist10 profile image60
        secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Well, if you lived in a cosmic North Korea, you'd be well-advised to worship the Dear Leader... ahem... Dear Lord, too!

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
          Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Hard to believe, isn't it? But that is exactly where the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god was based on. No doubt. Every king in the region said he was a son of god back then.

  6. Joy56 profile image68
    Joy56posted 12 years ago

    there are millions of gods, but there can only be one true god, is that not so.

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      there can only be one true god

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
        Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Why?

        1. secularist10 profile image60
          secularist10posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I heard it on TV, so it must be true.

          1. Ezybonds profile image61
            Ezybondsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            There can only be one god because whoever that was, created all other things, however God could allow (and has) allowed lesser gods to function.

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              paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              There are no other gods; so there is no question of allowing other gods to function. It must be a fallacy.

              1. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
                Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                How do you know? Don't quote a book. Give me a rational reason.

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                  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I give the reason mentioned in the Book; it will stand even if I don't quote from the Truthful Word revealed.

                  Is it difficult to understand that a system works only if it is from one authority? if there will be two or more authorities one will overcome the other and only one will remain as an absolute power.

                  1. Beelzedad profile image58
                    Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Sorry, but the Quran cannot support the Quran.



                    You mean, like a dictatorship works but a system of democracy would not?



                    So, again we see evidence of one entity destroying the other in order to gain absolute power over all. I wonder what sort of doctrine would teach that type of decision making process to it's followers?

                    Isn't religion marvelous? smile

                  2. Slarty O'Brian profile image77
                    Slarty O'Brianposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    Maybe god made himself a female god out of his own rib and then had baby gods. Why not?

                    The logic of the book is faulty. There have always been pantheons of gods. If a god has a sun or daughter they are gods.

  7. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    "There can only be one god because whoever that was, created all other things"
    Assumes a first creation like the big-bang.
    Is there no other way to think?

  8. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    "only one will remain as an absolute power."
    How about night and day?

    1. profile image51
      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Night and day follow one another; don't you observe.

  9. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    "Night and day follow one another; don't you observe."
    Guess not.

 
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