The Spirituality of our existence,and how it is define.

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   Apostle Jackposted 12 years ago

   Christianity is a spiritual concept that have not been presented in it's full capacity.Most people seem to have many views of what spirituality is and how to define it's unseen concept.
   In this category you shall not leave as you came concerning this supernatural and mystery of divine revelation.CELESTIAL SPIRITUALITY is one concept of focus as is presented in 1 Cor 15 v 40,44 concerning our 2 bodies of Celestial and Terrestrial existence and how they are coordinated within each other.
   Your comments will give me cause to further explain.

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      Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      All spiritual concept or beliefs origin came from the unknowns
      
      Then spirituality manifest into our ego selves by experience in which is know in time. People often tell me No, it this or it is that. Christian is an ancient spirituality.
      
      The Universe is just the 99% unknowns until is known. Most everything I know was once imagined, it’s created in beauty, justice, and happiness. It’s the main source of value in the new economy and the supreme master of art as of life. You create your own universe as you go along. The stronger your imagination, the more expansive your universe becomes
      
      It’s an act not of reason but an intuition, Imagination is the eye of the soul and the voice of the daring. If there is anything Godlike about God it is that. When he dares to go beyond his wildest dreams, he can imagine everything.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         When you can see it,and understand it's function and that function is express, it is not an imagination nor a dream.Not everyone have this evidence,so I don't expect everyone to express it's knowledge.But if one would lend an ear..they can come away with a basket full of light....symbolically speaking.

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            qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think you're are a pentacostal speaking in tongues.
            
            I've heard "babble" before but man, yours takes the cake 
            
            Qwark

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I know.

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                  qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank goodness...whew! I thought ya might be serious.
                  You can sure "babble" good...
                  
                  Qwark

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                     Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The best is yet to come.

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                        qwarkposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Well golly, I no speakee "babble" so you go right ahead and have fun!
                        I'm gonna add you to my list of "babblers" and not pay any more attention to ya...ok?
                        Now by golly, you have fun...
                        Qwark

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                           Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Thanks...I will do just that.

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      Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think we all realize the potential for the search for spirituality within Christianity.  Jesus was definitely unique in his understanding. And there are a few very profound statements scattered through the Acts, but those few statements are overshadowed by everything else written.
      
      When I run across statements by professed Christians to the effect that everyone else is headed for hell, all the angels in your heaven are male,  the earth is 6000 years old, women were created to serve men and other sundry absurdities; I'm left to wonder if 'spiritual' is the correct term for what your religion is all about.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Spirituality is define on the other side of,DNA,CELLS,NEURONS,ELEMENTS,ATOMS, MATTER,and MATERIAL SUBSTANCE.That include the brain and the heart .Within the physical body there are spiritual activity that express,intelligence,thoughts,choice,speech,
         personality and image of a Celestial spirit therein,contrary to popular opinion that those traits come from the brain(mind) of our terrestrial bodies(flesh) of which cannot produce nor control such spiritual activity.
         Scientist did not include this in their equations when trying to define how we think, move, and have life within the 2 bodies of our existence.
         Women were created to walk beside the man,not behind,nor in front.
         
         After the sins of Adam and Eve they became competitors and turn one against the other for dominance and control.Christ was predestinated by God to come forth  with the opportunity to regain the spirituality and unity with God and between themselves that they lost because of that disobedience and separation of thought.
         There was no women in heaven before then because Angels cannot produce nor multiply in body existence,so now the woman have the same opportunity as the man to be a part of Angelic existence.
         All will be explain as we move along in this category.But be assured,it shall exceed beyond scientific and technical equations.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Those scriptures in the bible is referring to JUDGMENT DAY,and not a 7 year tribulation period.When you did your spirit go into the 4th heaven to await judgment day.The spirit cannot be destroyed until then.
      You must understand what celestial is,and how it function within the physical body in order to know who you are.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   If you were joking this would be hilarious! As it stands it is scary as hell!

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would agree. Why do people have to make this kind of stuff up?

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Jack
         Spirituality is define on the other side
         
         Is it not the other side just the unknown?
         
         I think, for what I am
         
         We are Not just a smaller percentage of people that extremly obey what Yahweh thinks and  then call it the be all end all spiritual and only way
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         It' scares me too, like the movie :Time Machine

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Castlepaloma there is more knowledge than what is here today my purpose is to present it to the world.We each believe as we choose but it will all come out in the wash.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Reality is not made up,it flows like a river,Beelzedad.

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            From the rivers of Beelzedad
            
            I wonder what Beelzedad thinks about this one

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It don't matter.God will always have the last word.My spirit was prepared and educated by the Almighty Himself as His messenger to the world.I would say that include  Beelzedad as well.

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                  Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks just the same, but I'd rather not be included in those delusions.

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                     Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Sorry,your choice to be human is beyond your control,so you are included whether you  except it or not.So whatever happens you made your choice.That is the bottom line.

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                        Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Being human doesn't mean one is included in anothers delusions.

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                           Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           No but it means that that same match that burn me will and can burn you also.

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                              Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Sounds like a threat innit?

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 They are always threats, because memberships are way down.

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                              Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Children and gods should never play with matches.
                              
                              

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not all God like people threaten with fire, yet most do.

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      getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   The only spirituality required by the human species is Love. Any other is a complete waste of time and only damages the rest of the world.

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      Druid Dudeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Whoa! Thought spirituality is bunk, Cag. Hell, you're inches from a major conversion here. Maybe even an epiphany. So, sympathy, empathy and compassion are unnecessary. Hope you change your mind before you get too old. The nursing home is gonna really tick you off. What about inspiration, Cag. What about wondering what is out there in the darkness? So much was needed to get us here. Not just love, but it helped.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Love is considered to be spiritual. All other spirituality is BUNK and/or JUNK. Got it?
         Not.
         Not likely.
         You're too funny, each are a part of Love. Apparently you lack understanding Love. What a shame.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Intelligence,thoughts,personality,choice,ideas, and memory,just to name a few, is also Spiritual .They have no DNA,CELLS,ELEMENTS,ATOMS,NOR MATTER.Your knowledge came from the wrong place.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Maybe by you.

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                  Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I see you know a brick wall when you see it.One that you cannot go around,over, nor under it.That make you stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Only in your mind.

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                        Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        The mind is matter,I speak from my intellect,which is spiritual.The mind or brain..cannot produce spiritual activity.It is for another purpose.

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                           Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           More BS. You're a legend in your own mind.
                           What a joke statement if I ever heard one.

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                              Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I hope you get a good laugh from it...because it won't last

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                                 Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 So you say.

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                              Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Correction.......in my spirit,and not what is call the mind.But the joke is on you.

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                                 Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 You could not correct yourself, much less correct someone else. You don't possess a spirit any more than a rock does.
                                 
                                 The joke is on me? I've heard that before. Too bad a Conscious Mind knows more than apparently you'll ever realized.

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                           Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Apostle Jack
                           
                           The mind is matter,I speak from my intellect,which is spiritual.The mind or brain..cannot produce spiritual activity.It is for another purpose.
                           
                           I guess, you will tell us next that Science and Christianity , are one of the same

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                              Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              They are like oil and water,separate in knowledge,origin,and presentation.......one is spiritual,and the other is material.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 In your view, how will the world ever get along?

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   Jesus-Savesposted 12 years ago

   Dear Apostle Jack;
   Please forgive the people in this forum, most of them are not acquainted with what the Bible teaches. Some have read it, but they didn't give it enough time and study so as to know it well.
   I understand what you are saying. The spiritual body is different from the earthly body. And when Jesus comes, we will receive the spiritual body in order for Him to take us to heaven, for the earthly body cannot be taken there.
   But, based on you question, i have a feeling that you believe in immortality of the soul. Correct me if i am wrong.
   
   But if i'm right, may i suggest this to you;
   Man, in essence, does not have an immortal soul, rather, we are mortal souls. Please consider these texts;
   "And the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7
   "Dust thou art and unto dust shall thou return." Genesis 3:19
   "For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything." Ecclesiastes 9:5
   "For that which befalleth the sons of men, befalleth beasts, even one thing befalleth them. As the one dieth, so dieth the other, yea they have all one breath, so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast.. All are of the dust, and all turn to dust again." Ecclesiastes 3:19-20
   "Men and brethren, let me speak of the Patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher (grave) is here with us unto this day.. For David is not ascended into the heavens." Acts 2:29, 34
   "The blessed and only potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who only hath immortality.." 1 Timothy 6:16
   
   You see Jack, we are not immortal by nature. God did not breathe an immortal soul into man, rather, He breathed the breath of life (power to live) and man became a living soul. What happens when you remove the breath of life (power to live)? Death happens. And death is the opposite of life, it is the cessation of life. We turn back to dust on the earth, for we are nothing but dust.
   But God has promised us immortality/ eternal life if we believe and fully surrender our lives to His Son Jesus Christ. But this immortality will be given to us when Jesus comes. In the mean time, we remain in our graves awaiting the resurrection day when Jesus comes.

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      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "But this immortality will be given to us when Jesus comes. In the mean time, we remain in our graves awaiting the resurrection day when Jesus comes."
      
      I think you should take a look at a dead body or two after a few weeks of death.
      Not much is left behind to "save"

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         Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Reminds me of the Australian tourists I saw vacationing in the Greek Isles after a weekend of beer drinking

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            earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Some tourists are a real embarrassment, and Australian yobs are right up there with the worst of them.
            
            I like to think of them as ambassadors for abortion myself.

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               Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               i wouldnt be to hard on them... they were good kissers

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                  Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  What types are bad kissers, they all seem good enough to me, except the one that threw up on me

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         Jesus-Savesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         earnestshub; you clearly do not know the Bible nor the power of God. When we go to our graves we disintegrate away and become no more. But God still knows who we are and He will bring us back to life, He does not need substance to create. He can create out of nothing. So even if you have wasted away in the dust, He can still call you back to life. He is God. He created the heaven and the earth out of nothing. He just spoke, and they came into existence. Now that is power.

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            earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Don't arrogantly tell me I "clearly" don't understand the bible, or that I don't understand your god!
            
            Show me one of these "coverted" dead people.
            
            No single person has ever come back from being dead, no prayer has ever been answered, there is not one skein of evidence to support your tome other than what it says about itself.
            
            Prehistoric nonsense.

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               Jesus-Savesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I apologize for saying you don't know the Bible. I was saying that based on your previous statements.
               I also beg to differ with what you said that no single person has ever come back from the dead, there are people who have come back from the dead, Jesus is one example. Only the power of God (not god), can do this.
               
               I can see you have chosen not to believe in the Bible, therefore it will be hard for me to convince you in this.

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                  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't even accept that jesus was ever on earth. The story comes from earlier stories of similar figures dating back almost to ra.
                  
                  With billions of people already dead, you offer a single example which has one source. A mangled rewritten myth... a story, not a fact.
                  
                  Show me this jesus you talk about who came back from the dead.
                  
                  No god, no dead people coming back to life, and no jesus. What else have you got?

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                     aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Come on earnestshub, you know better than to ask for proof.
                     If proof were available, then no faith would be required.
                     God is a God of Faith!
                     By FAITH He created....
                     Without faith it is impossible to please Him..
                     Anyone who comes to Him, must BELIEVE...
                     (I imagine you have read these quotes yourself..)

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                        earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi aka. I would firstly like to point out that my name is not ernie, or even a derivation thereof.
                        
                        Secondly, as I use my real name here I would appreciate you call me by my name, perhaps even offering me the respect to capitalise it.
                        No biggie, just pointing that out.
                        
                        I don't need lessons in the bible remember? I simply don't believe it.
                        I have faith in what I can confirm. My years as a religionist did not confirm anything other than the mind goes where it is most comfortable being.
                        Sure I thought it did at the time, in fact I probably would have put my life on the line for my beliefs then.
                        
                        You know what thought did don't you?
                        
                        Thought didn't. he only thought he did.

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                           aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry. Bad assumption on my part!
                           I fixed it!
                           
                           Now you can also call me DJ instead of aka.
                           
                           And, yes I know!!

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                              earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              DJ sounds way cool, and thank you for the adjustment.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If you will consider this scripture,1Cor 15 v 40,44

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         Jesus-Savesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I have read those texts. We die with the natural body but we are raised with a spiritual body. This is because flesh and blood cannot inherit the heavenly Kingdom, therefore we have to be changed. But the question is, will this change take place immediately after we die, or is it when the Lord Jesus comes again from heaven with His angels. I would like to suggest that we remain in the grave until the Lord comes and then He will raise us up and at the same time transform our natural bodies to spiritual bodies. Please consider the following text too. 1 Corinthians 15:51-57
         Please let me know if you agree with what i have said. God Bless.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   I told you what I think, then you drop this under my reply.
   
   "Please forgive the people in this forum, most of them are not acquainted with what the Bible teaches. Some have read it, but they didn't give it enough time and study so as to know it well."
   
   Do some homework before you direct your obvious insult to me and others. I may know a lot more about your tome than you think!

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