Life is one big test for future reward in heaven.
- The Minstrelposted 12 years ago
0You know Brother...It doesn't matter. You will never get past your own one sided beliefs. There is no sense in attempting to have a civil debate with you.
And in case you are wondering...According to those who actually have studied and teach the bible...your interpretation is not correct. You are interpreting the bible to support your religious beliefs.
David was the first king you referenced...and in the second...Jesus was just confirming what he was being accused of and of the scriptures he was fulfilling....and the last two...John saw words written..nothing was said by Jesus that he was a King...So again I ask...When does Jesus himself ever claim to be a King? You know those words written in Red in some bibles.
Have a nice Day
you're so right.... jesus saying "to this end (king) was i born" i think you missed that part. And to say that john JUST saw letters is really a good chuckle. You may also like to diss 17:14 as just merely words which the original greek confirms.
I think you're one sidedness needs to be scrutinized. Jesus on the right hand of God (the place of power and authority) and "All things given to the Son" including judgment is nothing to worry about and of course why should Jesus receive any positional recognition or title when he reigns in the 1000 yrs and of course kingdoms don't have kings thats why they are called kingdoms, because, dukes rule em.
Of course you never thought that Jesus ministry was progressive.. teacher, priest, king.
and of course if you teach anything less than Jesus being King of kings and Lord of lords i certainly have no interest in your teachings, so teach on teacher.
Matthew 5:35 references Jerusalem being the city of the GREAT king... where does Christ come back too on earth? Jerusalem.
David was a prophet or don't you know that? Great king... G r e a t king.. of course psalms 110:1 enters nicely here. God says this verse again in isaiah 66:1
1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Zechariah prophesy Zechariah 9:9 “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King comes unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an donkey.”
Daniel 7:13-14 should be fun for you
I'm sorry you aren't able to acknowledge Jesus as king perhaps you don't even recognize him as God in the flesh.
Why Jesus is even contested to be a king is beyond me.
I can easily be done with the conversation too.
Actually, it is selfish because anything you do while you're alive is driven entirely by that one motive, to gain rewards in the afterlife.
Minstrel:
How long have you lived on this planet earth?
Lets just take it from the days of Moses, oh, 3200-3400 yrs ago.
Do ya remember those days? I know ya've studied the "Pentateuch."
let me just remind ya of those good ole days in Egypt under the rule of the strict and powerful "Pharaohs" and then on to Old Mesopotamia.
Now fast forward thru Rome, Constantine, the disgustingly cruel and deadly "Dark Ages," the Renaissance, the age of "Enlightenment" and on to today.
Are ya following me?
I will now quote you:
"Being motivated by heavenly rewards keeps us unselfish and loving on earth."
Pls give me a time during the past 3 thousand or so years of recorded human history that man has been "unselfish and loving?"
Or did you arrive recently from another planet and miss all that fun?
Tell ya what, since yer a "newbie" on Earth, we've created a site we call "Google" that'll bring ya right up to date on all that you've missed concerning human history.
I'm being "unselfish and loving" and offering you the help you seem to need to bring ya right up to date on all your concerns.
See, there's a whole world of information available to ya out there that that book of fairytales: the bible, hasn't/doesn't cover.
I'm an "unselfish and loving" man who has offered you help in your search for enlightenment.
I hope your visit here on Earth will bring you closer to understanding universal reality.
Thumbs up! Good luck...:
QwarkThank you for the blessings, Minstrel!
I think the issue of communication may be difficult for some of the others on the forum because you say that Jesus was motivated out of Heaven for joy, and that it was for joy that He endured the shame of the cross. I would disagree only in saying that He was motivated by love (sort of in agreement with Cagsil).
I can say this much of trial and tribulation - I have endured some doozies in my time, and in all honesty? I sometimes lost sight of any sort of heavenly reward, and was only able to press on because of love. I've even had to press on during those moments when I've lost faith altogether and wondered if it wasn't all a big cosmic joke.
I appreciate your openness and very pleasant response! Don't be discouraged in your own belief by others' disbelief.
What a great idea!
Deny your only life, because if you do, after you die you will have a better one.
Sure, that makes sense! One only needs to look at the expensive toys in the church car park to agree with that.
- Good idea, perhaps we will witness a fight over some point of doctrine that will get the "holier than thou" set on the job squabbling over who has the right god, as they always do eventually.
And don't forget the pointless quotes listings
Ah yes! The pointless endless repetition of the scriptures, that everyone already knows off by heart, but can't agree on.
Inclusive statements such as the title of this thread are the problem.
You make a statement that assumes their is a heaven, an afterlife, a god and can't support a word of it.
No god/s no heaven, no hell, just belief in a 2,000 year old re-written book of hearsay that was penned by a bunch of sexist racist old men.
Campers of their day.
It's mythology my friend, and pretty sick mythology at that.
The biblical god makes Zeus look like mother Teresa! (Who is on record denying her faith by the way)
An honest and decent woman!I guess you missed the word heaven in the title. It was a short sentence and i thought you might have perceived this short sentence correctly. The key word is heaven, which most people, except you apparently, would naturally think... oh a christian thread... CHRISTIAN... so your mooing post about non christian theology is really completely out of place in a thread that to 99.9% of the hub community and the world maybe even, is markedly Christian oriented.
Do you talk of gardening in the car mechanics forum hilarious stuff!
Perhaps, but the rewards you are looking for are entirely self-centered as everything you do in this life is motivated for that reward.
How sad it is for anyone to believe that, but it would stand to reason if all you're interested in is rewarding yourself.
Because, that is exactly how he acts.Yes, but you would have to use that argument for everything that was invisible, for example, one makes the assumption leprechauns exist and one makes the assumption they don't exist.
In both cases, the one who makes the assumption that something does in fact exist must demonstrate their assumption is valid.
Faith then becomes useless as a tool for demonstration purposes.No one needs to demonstrate anything.
Faith is exactly the opposite of proof.
If you want proof, search for yourself, and quit expecting others to give you handouts.
Just because I say there is gold in California does not mean I need to prove it to you.
The gold is there. If you want proof, go look yourself.
Everyone is motivated by reward? That's broad(inclusive).
Apparently, YOU are motivated by reward, but I cannot agree that everyone is motivated by reward. I actually happen to know quite a few people who are motivated by Love(including me).
Therefore, it becomes apparent that you've not a clue about what you talk about in the first place.
Please, go learn something would you?
oh the love.
It's simple enough. Don't confuse myth with reality and you have it in one!
Down some MMDA then let me know how you see it afterwards.Remember the thread I started entitled "Who tempted Satan"? No believer ever gave a realistic answer, as far as I know! The bible is merely a Greek pulp fiction type book based on the mythical characters of Moses and Jesus, among others. That's all!
Exactly!
Religious loons have ruined the politics in countries such as America resulting in a country where few are able to express disbelief and keep their jobs!
I have noticed that the less educated they are the louder they bellow.Less education is no doubt a requirement, Earnest!
No, the more educated ones don't source their beliefs from 2,000 year old man made myths.
Are you serious? Like many others, I have read literally thousands of books, I have all of Jung and the important post Jungians, hundreds of other books relating to the human condition.
I have read hundreds of books on science, medicine, brain chemistry, religion, engineering, nanotechnology, sentient life forms.... if it is interesting I read about it.
My granddaughter at fourteen has also read hundreds of books on various subjects, She reads on the bus going to school as well.
No single lens is illuminating, so many things can be related and assessed when we read widely, the empirical evidence is stacked up by broadening what we understand, which is why scientific theory has to withstand exposure to all the other related disciplines to be considered a valid theory.
This applies with most things. Most good motocross riders know a fair bit about metallurgy, hydraulics, gas flow and unfortunately ... gravity!
All starts in the mind, even religion.From anything more than one source would be more intelligent don't you think?
This is kinda written in many eastern paths to self enlightenment that I will distort a little here : It is basically a way to the realization of our place in the universe where we are unique and beautiful but unimportant to anyone or anything, except to ourselves
The religionists do kinda the same thing except they think they are more important than the whole universe and dissapear up their own rear-ends.
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