Duplicate Content - Myth or Massive Problem?

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   HSanAlimposted 12 years ago

   Given all the time spend world wide worrying about Panda and Google's poor quality and duplicate content comments, what the hell does this post from GOOGLE themselves mean.  Talk about contradictory!
   http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot. … apers.html

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      mskillsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      While I'll need to hunt around for HubPages' remarks on duplicate content, I don't think this particular issue is what HP is concerned about. 
      
      The blog post you linked to is focused on content that has been stolen from the original source and posted elsewhere.  I think Google is saying that sites should not be concerned about the negative effects of stolen content because they are skilled at judging the original source and filtering out the duplicates.

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      ScarrletRavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      My hub got listed as a duplicate and put on unpublished due to the fact that I had posted it on another site. I deleted it from the other site, but it's still listed as a duplicate. How can I get it to not be?

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         Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It takes time for the duplicate warning to disappear, because your old article is still listed by Google.  You have to give it time to disappear from their cache.
         
         I think you would also need to email team@ and tell them you've removed the other version.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's a very old quote. 
      
      This is the latest from Google:
      
      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/76734?p … ost1663178
      
      This will have an impact on any writers who republish the exact same article in multiple places.

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   carpesomediemposted 12 years ago

   That blog post is also from 2008.  I would like to think if Google couldn't tell the differences then, they've come a lot way to help discern which is the original source and which is the copy by now.

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Really?  Seems like I've seen quite a few reports on these forums about stolen content being posted on googles site, where they ignore all attempts to get it removed.

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         carpesomediemposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I've never personally had any issue getting content removed from a Google-owned site.  Might take a few days but then it's gone with no hassle.  Other sites, that's a different story.  As far as being punished by Google or other search engines for someone copying my content, I've never seen any issues with my views dropping when I see a copy pop up.  That latter bit is what I assumed the OP was talking about.
         
         The problem is you have actually people sorting through DMCA complaints and that takes longer.  If Google, and other search engines released algorithms that actually dealt with duplicate content in an intelligent manner, I think the Internet might be a less copied place.

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            wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I've only had one copied hub and got that one removed with no problems in just a couple of days.  Others have posted that they can't get action from google for weeks, however.
            
            I think you're right - if the SEs would, they could clean up the copies in jig time.  Given that google knows when every article was published I can't see that it would be a major problem to simply not allow copies to be listed at all in the SE results.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I think that's what the new Panda update is aiming to do, so let's hope it works.

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                  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I would sure hope they can do something.  It would be a big a big benefit to writers, operators and site owners while shutting down the slimeballs of the internet. 
                  
                  If they can do that I would (almost) forgive them for Panda!

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               Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Do you file a DMCA with the website owner as well?

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                  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  In the one case I had someone left me a comment that was just a little odd somehow but contained a link in it.  At the end of the link was a site selling the same type of product I was with a complete copy of my hub - photos and all.
                  
                  I left a comment on the site and sent an email as well - within a couple of days I had an apology and it was gone.  Probably one of the very few people that actually didn't know that theft was both objectionable and illegal.  I wish they were all that simple.
                  
                  Now that I think about it, though, I was also involved in the fiasco a while back where half of HP was copied to a site and dozens of hubbers chased the guy over half the internet, shutting him down several times before getting it cleaned up.

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                     Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     The one I had stolen was probably  by the same guy you are talking about. The killer is that it is a hub that gets almost no traffic. What did he want it for anyways!

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               Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               
               I've got my fingers crossed about this.  I'm fortunate in that I've only had one instance of copied content - to the best of my knowledge.  Fortunate?  Maybe that means the thieves think I'm not worth copying! 
               
               But, seriously, the one thing I wonder about in this matter, even before Google rolls it out is:  If a writer moves their content to another location, would that change the date that is attributed to the article (in its new location)?  and, if so, will that new date create a problem?

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                  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes to both.  Google will have a cache that will linger around after the content is removed, and this will result in a "duplicate".  The new copy will be a "duplicate" of the one removed, but not yet lost.
                  
                  As google also seems to like older content the new date will cause the loss of any brownie points gained from age.

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   buynikond90posted 12 years ago

   I just had an original article, never posted anywhere posted anywhere else, deemed to be a duplicate.
   
   It looks like hubpages is a tough venue for niche marketing, unless the niche is so obscure there isn't much published about it.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's because it was duplicate.
      
      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … google.com
      
      Look at the cnet review on here http://www.photocrati.com/nikon-d90-review-round-up/

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         Mark Ewbieposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh my.  An innocent mistake I'm sure.  Amazing how many people get caught out that way.
         "I didn't mean to burgle your house.  Just accidentally fell through your window, and borrowed your TV".
         I am sick of copiers.
         
         Funny thing is.  I've NEVER had a copy warning.  WHY?  BECAUSE I DON'T F------- COPY.
         
         Angry? Yes.  Just a little.

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            Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I've had all kinds of "duplicate content" warnings because I've had all kinds of stuff stolen at one time or another.  If it's put on a Google site it's usually easy enough to get it taken down.  People put it on their own Google sites, and people from all around the world post the stuff in all kinds of weird places - and getting it taken down isn't possible (unless, by some freak chance, a blog owner is willing to take it down if you write, and even know who to write to).
            
            There's no real policing your stuff, because HP only gets a fraction of it.  Finding everything stolen, or sections of things stolen, isn't any project I'm about to tackle on a daily basis.  So, I just got so I gave up, went around and got anything I've ever written anywhere, and started to post it on any site/blog I have that's mine (as opposed to something like HP, where now duplicate content is against the rules).  Search engine-wise (and now, especially, Post-Panda-wise), I know the consequences of doing that - but I stopped caring.  Better my stuff competes with itself than have someone else cause my earnings to drop because he stole my stuff.     I'd rather have no earnings than have stuff some slime-bag is going to benefit from.     I intentionally put stuff online that I think isn't likely to be stolen, or attractive, to "certain elements".  It gets stolen anyway, because they have no standards!!   
            
            Angry?  Not any more. Used to be a lot angry, though.    I'll stick with TOS wherever I am, but other than that I do my own thing with my own stuff - if anyone wants to steal it, good luck to 'em.  It's already online if four/five other places (not counting wherever else someone posted it that I don't know about).  It's my stuff, and I'm doing what I want to do with it.  One way or another, I'm still managing to get paid for one thing or another - so let the rest of it "do whatever". 
            
            (P.S:  I'm also not going to be worried about Panda either, other than with what I post on someone else's site - like this one, in which case I'll go by the Panda standards.)

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

           Did you notice the cache site indicates a member only 39 minutes? 
         
         I guess falling through Marks window and borrowing the TV doesn't take long...
         
         Good catch, Izzy!

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't notice the cache date, but am not surprised. HP have been known to be spot on about this kind of thing in the past, and I have fallen for the sob stories too. "It wasn't me. I didn't do it. I only write original content."
            Heard it.

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            Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               On the other hand (and contrary to how quickly "certain types" learn some things) it takes SOME of us (, particularly those of us who, oh - maybe -  have an Earth for an avatar, years to keep remembering to be a little more tuned into some of this kind of stuff.       My own "tuned-out-ness", cluelessness, and inability to live-and-learn often "amaze" (and frequently embarrass) me.   

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'm the same way.  It would have never occurred to me to look at the cache as Izzy did (and don't really know how anyway), plus I too trusting anyway. 
               
               I'm slowly learning to look around at the profile and a couple of hubs, but always seem to miss the obvious.  We can be thankful for the Izzy's of HP.

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                  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No no don;t thank me! I learned it from Relache  and others more 'in-tune' with all this online stuff.
                  
                  To look in the cache, Google search for the username or the hub name, whichever you know.
                  
                  Then when the results come up, click on the cache and you will see the Google snapshot of the hub in question.
                  
                  Then you can read for yourself the 'removed' hub. If using Google Chrome, highlight some text and right click for a Google search and see what results come up.
                  
                  Unique content doesn't have a copy.

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     OK - I see the cache on the search results.  I'll remember that.
                     
                     I find copied stuff the same way with FF - block some text (not the beginning as thieves often write their own first paragraph or so) and search for it.

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                        Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        I didn't have a clue either (about the cache).  Live and learn after all.      For the most part, I'm not very trusting of a whole lot of stuff and people online.  It's just like offline life, though:   Sometimes if you don't have that "criminal mind" you aren't even tuned into some of the stuff (no matter how "sharp" and "cautiously skeptical" you think you are).       (Of course, sometimes "criminal minds" aren't particularly clever either.     )

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                        Barbara Kayposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks for the tip on how to find copied stuff. It seems I learn something new here every time I read.

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         buynikond90posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That's not the one I was talking about. I realized I couldn't change that one enough to make it unique, so I deleted it.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know what other people do, but when I decide to write a hub on something, I research the topic first. I read loads of sites and see what people say about something.
            Then, in my own words, I write something new.
            
            Now obviously it can't be completely new because all those sites I read mentioned bits and pieces of whatever it was I was researching, but the ability to condense all that information into just one article makes it unique.
            
            Plus a line or two of my perspective or experience on whatever it was doesn't go amiss.
            
            There is no point in going to wikipedia, for example, and just rewriting one of their entries, unless you can add a new dimension.
            
            Anyway, sorry I got the wrong hub.

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               buynikond90posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               No problem. I am learning though and I thank you for responding. Have a great weekend.

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                  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for adding an avatar! You now look like a real person and not a spammer. Welcome to Hubpages, and sorry we got off on the wrong foot

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   Stacie Lposted 12 years ago

   it's getting more difficult to come up with an original idea on the 'net.
   Even though there are universally known and written phrases, word for word articles is hard to explain..

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   Website Examinerposted 12 years ago

   The amount of people who have the nerve to come out on a public forum and lie, outright and unprovoked, never ceases to amaze me.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      In my own little world, which is becoming increasingly obvious to me, we just don't print such glaring untruths.
      But this big bad world around us is made up of either people who live in their own completely different little world, or else think the rest of us are retarded.
      
      I have a hub that is getting battered with traffic, and also with really obnoxious and nasty comments to me.
      
      But in actual fact, these people see the world differently from me, that is all.
      
      So, I permit their comments even though they put me down for mine.

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         Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Maybe it is a little of both. Some people can get away with things on the Internet others wouldn't even dream about. So who are the suckers?

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            wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Oh we are - no doubt of that.  After all, we provide the content the thieves then use to earn money with.
            
            At the same time, though, I can live with myself and hold my head up while I do.  As a common thief I couldn't.

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         Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         People do live in their own worlds.  They think what they think, believe what they believe, and often aren't even about to believe something different, even if they're given proof/evidence.  The big shocker, kick-in-the-head, wake-up-call, I had was when my divorced turned into a giant mess; and people who knew me were asked for "input".  I was handed a piece of paper  by the lawyer, and I wouldn't have even guessed it was so supposed to be about me.      The killer was, most of these people who contributed weren't knowingly lying.  They honestly believed the wacko stuff they did!!    If people in your own little circle can get things that wrong - imagine what strangers online do. 
         
         (I'm sure I was "permanently scarred" by what went on and by how shocked I was, because to this day I know that's one reason I tend to use tons of words to try to make sure nobody misunderstands my motives or what I'm thinking.    _)   Other than that, though, I have grown kids, potential employers, and whoever else - all of whom have the Internet too.  I'm not about to make myself look like an idiot by saying/doing things online that any of those people might run into.

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   sunforgedposted 12 years ago

   yep , wonders never cease

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      Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I wish I had the experience to tell the honest people apart from the dishonest ones. But I think I can see some of the telltale signs - like someone saying "I never duplicate anything" or "I always pay my debts on time." I mean, why would someone come out and say that?

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   buynikond90posted 12 years ago

   Nice to meet you. My name is John.

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