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barrancaposted 15 years ago
I've read about 2/3 of this thread. Sorry if what I am writing is old news. Scholars doubt the attribution of the Book of Revelation (no plural) to John. They generally believe it was written later during one of the wave of roman persecutions of christians when they were being thrown to the lions, etc. Its cause and intention is to buck up the faithful in very bad times. Hang in there johnny, even if you are about to be ripped apart, a better world awaits.....and those bad people behind their lions will suffer worse than you....namely eternally. It is kind of understandable in this context. The trouble is when Christians took it literally and included it in the canon. It is so vivid with its wild apocalyptic imagery that believers in the inerrancy of the bible make it a kind of centerpiece vision for the faith (Notice it is behind the high altar in the Sistine Chapel...one of the holy of holies of Christianity.) It inverts a message of universal love into a message of few are saved and while most are damned, tormented in hell forever. Straight is the gate....etc. Martin Luther thought the B of R should have been left out of the canon...that it was pernicious. With this I agree. There is much in the bible that needs to be read in some kind of historical context and not just swallowed whole through the eyes of ignorant faith. I have too much respect for the bible to read it without a critical intellect and the knowledge of scholarship, history, and context. It is amazing to think that most of these arguments are based on the mundane issue of how to read a book. (Just went to Wikipedia on this after writing my comment....there is a good initial discussion of this topic as barely sketched above.)
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hi barranca. I've read this below before but I had to find it online so I could post it. This source is from the Latter-day Saints (Mormons) but it basically says the same as what I have read else where. The link it came from also tries to endorse polygamy so I won't post the link.
  
  I've read that it took 80 years to get these 4 books (James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation) placed back in the Lutheran Bible in the proper places.
  
  The Mormon link also quoted this, "Luther retained many Catholic views that other Protestants rejected. For example, in 1545 he described the Eucharist as the "adorable Sacrament," prompting Calvin to accuse him of "raising up an idol in God's temple," and of being "half-papist." I've also read that Luther prayed the Rosary until he died. I do not believed that Luther's 95 thesis were a declaration of war against the Catholic Church but German Princes turned it into that because they coveted more land.
  
  Yeah at least the first part of the book of Revelation was to buck up the faithful in the early seven churches. There is some speculation on the dates this source believes the books of the New Testament were written. Good enough for me though.
  35 A.D. : Gospel of Matthew
  40 to 41 A.D. : Book of James
  42 A.D. : Gospel of Mark
  42 A.D. : Gospel of John
  50 A.D. : Book of 1Thessalonians
  51 A.D. : Book of 2Thessalonians
  53 A.D. (Spring) : Book of Galatians
  56 A.D. (Late Winter) : Book of 1Corinthians
  57 A.D. (Late Summer) : Book of 2Corinthians
  57 A.D. (Winter) : Book of Romans
  59 A.D. : Gospel of Luke
  61 to 63 A.D. : Book of Ephesians
  Book of Philippians
  Book of Colossians
  Book of Philemon
  Book of Hebrews
  63 A.D. : Book of Acts
  Book of 1Timothy
  Book of Titus
  63 to 64 A.D. : Books of 1John, 2John and 3John
  64 to 65 A.D. : Book of 1Peter
  65 to 66 A.D. : Book of 2Peter
  66 to 67 A.D. : Book of Jude
  67 A.D. : Book of 2Timothy
  95 A.D. : Book of Revelation
  
  God bless
  Mike
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry about this, but I'm glad to see Mike is online. Mike, I'd like to kidnap you for a minute. Would you mind going to the Masons post please? I'd like to know your opinion on the matter. Thank you. Again, my apologies for interrupting.
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  barrancaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am no serious scholar of the Bible but I did spend 3 years in graduate school seminary back in the early 70's which may qualify me to have general opinions. The dates you list for most of the books of the NT are a lot earlier than what was being taught when I was in school. Most thought Mark was the earliest book based on an even earlier source that they deemed "Q" source. But even now they are discovering new texts that perhaps should have been in the canon, such as the Gospel of Thomas. Personally, I think Thomas is a much better candidate than B of R. But the big problem with B & R are the "futurists"....those who are constantly trying to act as if the book is predicting a future event and they try to use it as a key to understanding present events or near future events....etc. I believe that is trying to see through a glass way to darkly. I can imagine a more distorted prism.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is for commenting don't write huge so that the person who wants to reply have to spend hrs to first read and then hrs to understand those replies...
  
  This looks like a huge hub...better way u write a hub in your acct
  plz reply short things...so that more people can take participate.
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Make Moneyposted 15 years ago
That's interesting barranca. I believe the Church had the Holy Spirit to guide it in picking the canon of the Bible. Actually Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zechariah also mention future events and are often compared to the book of Revelation. You've probably heard the phrase "the Old is revealed in the New" referring to the Old and New Testaments. Some parts of other books in the New Testament talk about future events too. Yeah some do have different ideas on the end times of this era. I forgot to include Revelation in my previous post. I've edited it now.

95 A.D. : Book of Revelation

I was just about to turn my computer off until Monday RKHenry but I'll take a look at it and see if I have enough time to reply. It's not a fight is it?

Thanks for your wise words apeksha.
Mike
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No not at all. But am I correct in thinking that you know quite a bit about the Illuminati and the Masons?
  
  I was just looking for insight on the groups positions and wanting your opinion.
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  apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Which wise words?
  I am not getting for what u are thanking me?
  plz reply...
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  From the previous page. Sorry for being so long winded.
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Make Moneyposted 15 years ago
OH no, scary topic.
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
Earnesthub -

Responding to anything Mohit, the Third Worst Poet in the World, says is a lesson in futility. He is a self-proclaimed "enlightened poet" and only posts on Hubpages forums to try and advertise his "poetry" and tell everyone in the world that he's awesome and his poo smells like roses. My advice is to disregard most of what he says as useless anyway.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is the Universe
  
  And don't forget Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings.
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  countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good one Mark. After watching Hitchhikers guide I have a new found respect for Mice and Dolphins. Btw I wonder how cockroaches didn't make it to the list (since they are supposed to be the only creatures that can survive a nuclear holocaust)
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That makes a lot of sense to me gamegirl. I guess I would have liked to offer other ideas, but as you say he is just pimping his stuff.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are both blinded by arrogance.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not we who are arrogant.I don't claim to be the new divine and neither does gamegirl. You are full of it my my view.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do claim and have proved it by getting ranked over Holy Bibles and Holy Qurans , but then these holy book mean nothing to you as you are too full of arrogance.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So anyone who disagrees with you, the great is arrogant??? How about just educated.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are arguing with an enlightened one who is ranked over Bibles and Qurans ,do you really think you have more spiritual knowledge than me.If so write a book and you can take game girls help and get ranked over my book. Till then only foolish and arrogant people will believe you over me.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The hubs would seem to indicate otherwise, and self praise is no praise at all.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Libraries ranking my book over Bibles and Qurans is self praise for you.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No it is self aggrandizement for you.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are impossible and probably the most arrogant man in the world.You have more knowledge than the enlightened ones-need a different word for you, arrogance is too mild.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can't handle the heat? Go peddle you crazy stuff elsewhere then.
  Arrogance: Overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What heat? You know you cannot write a book and get ranked alongside the Bible and Quran, you are no competition for me.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't get it do you? I don't give a rats, and as for competing with you, now why would I want to compete with a religious fanatic?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot as you do not have the intelligence to do so and you and the whole world knows it.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently not. Take a look at my hubs!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Write a whole book , not a few pages .
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess those of us who have published high scoring hubs are all just losers eh mohitmisra, because you wrote a book. I have been published since the 1970's by the way.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And obviously been ranked over The Bibles and Qurans, but obviously.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, but I got read by people who were not stuck on a single train of thought to do with invisible magic entities.
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha wow. You're seriously claiming you've sold more copies of your book than the Bible and the Quran? I'm astounded, I really am, by your claim that enlightenment and sales rankings are somehow correlated. I mean, if they were, that would make the woman that wrote Twilight pretty damn enlightened, don't you think?
  
  Hmm looked you up on Amazon. Your sales ranking is #1,701,771 in Books. I guess there are exactly 1,701,770 more enlightened people out there, eh?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No haven't sold more copies,just been ranked over them.
  No I mean only an enlightened one can write and get ranked over Bibles and Qurans, unless Jesus and Mohammad were not enlightened . Look up Franklin and I have said it before its not by sales have started just ten years back,give me time and god willing will overtake them in sales as well.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeh, good luck with that!
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Umm seriously, you are not ranked over the Bible or the Quran on Amazon or any credible sales ranking. NYT shows nothing on you. I showed you your sales ranking so I don't really get how you keep harping on about how you were ranked above anybody.
  
  I can't believe any rational person expects a book of poetry to outsell anything. For one, your print run won't even compare to the print runs of major literary publications. Then, there's the issue of cumulative sales of the Bible, which you have no reason to believe you've outsold or will outsell. Good luck with your book and such but them's ridiculous expectations.
  
  And again, sales have nothing to do with enlightenment. You've got a pretty warped notion of it if you think Stephanie Meyer is the most enlightened person around. She writes books about abstinent teen vampires.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ranked over the Holy Quran on any libary is a great achievement.If am not enlightened then neither was Mohammad.You need to read more about poets and poetry to understand. Many Muslims have said mine is the best book they have ever read and its explained much more clearly than the Holy Quran, which it is.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can think of a few libraries where the Quoran and bible would not rank at all. Is it just one library that ranks you above the bible and Quoran?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes only , only ,only ,only, only one.How about your books, has any library ranked them over Bibles and Qurans?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought so.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You failed to answer the second part.There is another library called Best Book Buys was ranked 1 in Inspirational and Religious poetry now at 5 and at 2 in Philosophy-Religous books.
  Please share your books rankings.
  Also got ranked just two weeks back on Franklin, kept climbing up.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did I say I published a book? I don't think so.I said I have been published since the 70's. A Major circulation magazines. I wrote tech articles for several of them over many years and also edited the Australia/Chinese Business Herald.I am currently writing a book on looney religions. You can have a copy when it is finished.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you. Bet you your looney book will never get ranked over mine in religions,spirituality,philosophy or poetry.Stick to business.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shall we say that you have judst put yourself on a pedestal there!! No one is better than another--ever! Some may know more about one thing then someone else or anothers, but another may know more about what you don't know more about. It all equals out, my friend.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its what I am saying I have more god knowledge.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one has more "God Knowlete" thean another. We are all one in the same source. Perhaps you should read the Bible to know what I am talking about. Here is a specific group of verses for you to ponder on:
  
  1 Corinthians 12
  1And concerning the spiritual things, brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant;
  
  2ye have known that ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;
  
  3wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.
  
  4And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;
  
  5and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;
  
  6and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.
  
  7And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;
  
  8for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
  
  9and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit;
  
  10and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another [divers] kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:
  
  11and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.
  
  12For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ,
  
  13for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink,
  
  14for also the body is not one member, but many;
  
  15if the foot may say, `Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body;
  
  16and if the ear may say, `Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body?
  
  17If the whole body [were] an eye, where the hearing? if the whole hearing, where the smelling?
  
  18and now, God did set the members each one of them in the body, according as He willed,
  
  19and if all were one member, where the body?
  
  20and now, indeed, [are] many members, and one body;
  
  21and an eye is not able to say to the hand, `I have no need of thee;' nor again the head to the feet, `I have no need of you.'
  
  22But much more the members of the body which seem to be more infirm are necessary,
  
  23and those that we think to be less honourable of the body, around these we put more abundant honour, and our unseemly things have seemliness more abundant,
  
  24and our seemly things have no need; but God did temper the body together, to the lacking part having given more abundant honour,
  
  25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same anxiety for one another,
  
  26and whether one member doth suffer, suffer with [it] do all the members, or one member is glorified, rejoice with [it] do all the members;
  
  27and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
  
  28And some, indeed, did God set in the assembly, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, afterwards powers, afterwards gifts of healings, helpings, governings, divers kinds of tongues;
  
  29[are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all powers?
  
  30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
  
  31and desire earnestly the better gifts; and yet a far excelling way do I shew to you:
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lady with all our knowledge and spiritual experience can you write and compete with the Bible and Quran. Have met 70 years old enlightened ones and sages and all they do is give me love ,respect and honor simply because even though they are enlightened they cannot do what I have done and they accept it.
  One of them keeps asking me how did you do it and she reads one poem every night before going to bed and she is a fine mystic.
  I have said it before that this planet has never seen a poet of my caliber and never will. Now you can think this is an arrogant statement or understand who I am ,that I speak the truth and have no reason to lie and will prove it as well.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In my short life I have never seen such a megalomaniac. You need a good psychologist!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You call someone ranked over the Bible and Quran a meglomaniac , how arrogant and dumb of you to do so and that to on a religious forum.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look up the definition, there is a picture of you there!
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Two things are infinite human stupidity and the universe and I not sure about the universe."- Albert Einstein.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with Albert on this one.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mr.Mohit- First of all I am a very ordinary woman with absolutely no qualifications to speak about enlightenment. I only sometimes dabble a little in pranayama breathing and yoga postures. I have read your poems and appreciate some of them. I personally feel if I know something and I am good at it then I also need to know how to package it. Sometimes even if I have all the wisdom of the world and don't know how to say it or to whom to say it(I mean some sort of relationship/rapport with the receiver) the message may get lost.
  
  My grandfather whom I consider very wise once told me that the river Ganges receives the bounty from the mighty Himalayas because it is at a lower level i.,e when we are humble we receive the blessings.
  
  I am sure the ones whom with whom you interact(who have accepted you) find you as a wonderful man with a message but over the internet such a rapport isn't easily possible hence keeping those limitations in mind if someone doesn't get your poems then explain to them. And also the beliefs of billions of folks(which are based on Bible/Quran) isn't something that can easily be overlooked. If somebody considers me as a fool do I become a fool and if somebody considers me as "enlightened" do I become one. I am what I am irrespective of what others believe me to be. Hence we can have very little control over how others perceive us. And even if somebody says something to us then can we control others to say what we want to hear(mostly we can't). The least we can do is to know how to react to it. Anger breeds anger and love breeds love. I hope I am not boring you. I sincerely wish you and others have a good time here at hub pages (after all life is too short to get involved in getting into pointless arguments). I know I must have come across as being offensive to you. But believe me I care for you and friends always need not agree on everything. You are free to consider, accept or reject anything and everything I have said. Have a good day.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have always been very sweet and I hope more people like you were here.I am not offended as I know you mean no offense.Have a good day yourself.
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually almost everybody is nice here (at least that has been my experience here at hub pages). Thanks for your wishes.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Many are I do not deny it.I like you a lot as you are so understanding and appreciative.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When did Jesus or Buddah or even the Dalia Lam ever say the things that you are saying? Not one of them put themselves on a pesestal just like you have just done. Not one of them have ever said that they were better or more knowledgeable then anyone else. Do you know why that is?
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  countrywomenposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree with you LG. Although I don't have much of knowledge about enlightenment but I do feel a person who is really wise tends to master anger, envy, lust and pride. I actually saw the live TV relay of HH Dalai Lama(during his Seattle visit) and he was so down to earth and respectful of everyone. I feel when we are trying to push our beliefs very little success is achieved but when someone is wise then based on his words/deeds the crowds automatically get pulled towards him. HH Dalai Lama also had a child like innocence and was very jovial too. Everyday when I see even the slightest amount of pride in myself for anything that I have done I look at myself in the mirror and say "there you go again". I have miles to go and hope to learn from so many wonderful examples of exemplary behavior right from Christ, Gandhi to Dalai Lama.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have never in my life given you any attitude.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They couldn't as they were not the best poet this planet has seen yet they understood that no one on the planet at that time had the knowledge they did and their job was unique. They understood who they were and taught humanity the way. Jesus was killed for saying he is the son of god and will reign in heaven, as some thought he is a meglomaniac and arrogant person-was he?.
  
  Buddha claimed enlightenment and some thought he was arrogant and asked him for his proof to which he said nature is my witness.
  
  Guru Nanak was called crazy by some for this very reason-who do you think you are? Guru Nanak "no one can understand my work"
  
  Mohammad was defied and insulted at his time, He had to fight to save himself as some thought he was too arrogant.
  They all proved themselves with their work.
  History is repeating itself.
  Lady copy pasting is very easy ,try writing lines which no man has written before .
  
  The Dalia lama is not in the same league as the prophets.He is waiting for the Buddha.
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Umm I work with the publishing industry. Granted, we're more concerned with fiction, but I have enough working knowledge of poetry publications to know a lie when I see one. A poetry publication generally has a very limited print run. You have no conceivable method of having a larger printing/distribution of your work than the Bible or the Quran have.
  
  PS: You meant ranking in a library? Haha okay then. Here I was thinking you actually sold something. Library borrowing patterns have to do with different variables than book buying ones. It isn't necessarily an achievement. I'm glad people in whatever library like your book but that's really not as big an achievement as you claim it is.
  
  Again, back to my point, by your token, a woman who writes abstinent teen vampire fiction is more enlightened than you are. How does that make you feel? Surely enlightened people feel some measure of shame.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many times do I repeat its not sales Caleb.Have you read my book? no so how can you compare right now.
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I looked at it on Amazon. Your writing style's not my thing but good job getting it out there. You're indirectly comparing your popularity (I figured sales but your measure is even more flawed than sales, which you could argue for in terms of cultural impact at the very least. Popularity within a single library, however, that's a stretch in terms of even that.)
  
  I'm merely pointing out the fact that your logic has a huge hole in it. Popularity within a library depends on things like the population it serves, the choice of books available, season etc. Popularity within a library has NOTHING to do with enlightenment, which is a murky term anyway.
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countrywomenposted 15 years ago
Sandra- Well by "vibrations" I meant sort of like energy. Anyway they are a good group and you being the SoCal girl sure must like them. And here is a "good vibration" for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2gZMNkyJo

Earnesthub- Yes indeed they are wonderful and here is another one for you to enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FaflUn4Co
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you countrywoman, most kind. I will go have a listen.
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Eric Graudinsposted 15 years ago
Crikey,

It's deep enough in here to slop over the top of my gum boots.
Next time I visit I'll remember the waders. Or a submarine.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, try going over to the Soul discussion - take your snorkel.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OMG.
  How many of these threads are there?
  I don't know where they get the stamina!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess one fights to the death for the cause of self-righteous self preservation!
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  calebdposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm procrastinating writing a paper. Mindless repetition's fun.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. Yes, these religious discussions are very circular, but good for character building!
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think I will leave this mad cycle now, there is no way to reach fanatics, and I already knew that, it is just infuriating to see this dribble go unchallenged.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It had to be challenged because that dribble is dangerous to the gullible, and unfortunately it's quite dangerous to the dribbler, if only that could be seen by the dribbler as much as it has been seen by hub readers.
  
  I was initially hurt by the insults from the Soul discussion. But the whole incident has made me feel amazingly good and centered. Perhaps I'm closer to enlightenment than I thought (I am jesting in case Mr Mohit takes a stab at that one!)
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I sincerely believe you are becoming enlightened Jewel, you take the hard road, and I believe the self knowledge you seek is very courageous. Not everyone can think for themselves as you do.Like you I do not claim to know, just to seek.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You do have good understanding of spirituality but its only after enlightenment will you comprehend it a lot better. You are on your path to enlightenment and I hope you see the light then we will connect much better.
  I have called you a Jewel in the past in case you forgot.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've seen and felt the light many times. If only you could see your statement from a higher standpoint mohitmisra. I seriously wish you well in your pursuits.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This book is a poetry collection from Mohit K. Misra, a Navigating Officer in the Merchant Navy. Entering into a state of Samadhi, this author from Bombay intends to leads his readers into a spiritual experience. In 51 poems
  Bruce Cook, Ph.D.
  Publisher, ReserveBooks.com
  
  I will be happy if you or anyone gets enlightened.
  
  Have you become one with the Light- God? I work for the Light.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please note I Jewels, have no commercial, personal or spiritual affiliation with this person. I also wish not to be held responsible for the advertisement that was added to my comment in this hubpages forum. I did wish him well in his personal pursuits however, did not in any way encourage this person to advertise for personal benefit.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Try becoming a poet, you will understand your personal benefits come a distant second.You do not understand the meaning of a poet? Go ask your master he will tell you.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you visited the Soul discussion lately. Caleb has put Light into your delusion. Personal pursuits = book sales = enlightenment
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I write poems too, but I don't say I'm enlightened.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Osho- rarest amongst the enlightened ones is the poet as it is the most ardous task .
  
  Literary pundits- a poetry book on god is considered a mental exercise of the highest order possible and carried out only by the greatest of sages.
  Examples- Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagwat Gita, Holy Guru Granth Sahib.
  
  I have painted but am no Picasso.
  
  If Caleb reads my work he will understand why my book is getting ranked over The Holy Quran.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The ranked over the Quoran rubbish has been blown away by the summary of your so called rating by other hubbers like caleb who understands what you call your "ranking" Nothing more than a review by a reviewer with a lousy ranking in the millions, not any respected authority. The other review on the page says your poetry sucks!
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  Lady Guinevereposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Try the ones that I started recently or in the past few months. There are many and they all have arrogant people in them. They try to show us that LOVE is the answer in their Gods but what they are really showing is the ignorance of what it really written in their Bibles and how nastly they can get. It kind of turns people off, in a BIG way. They preach or want to get people to believe ins someething good and all they seem to be doing is showing the bad side of things.
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Lady Guinevereposted 14 years ago
Mohit,
What is all this granduer about all of a sudden? What are you talking aobut me copy and pasting stuff? This stuff is not like you or the one that I used to know. What gives? I think that I am enlightened but I don't go around telling everyone that I am better than they are. So you wrote a book---so have hundreds and thousands of others and in the same sense or subject matter that you have. I don't recall any of them spouting off that they are better than anyone else.
BTW these ARE my words and not copy and pasted anything.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike you as well to suddenly come onto me.Was debating with earnesthub and not you.The essence of the book is the same as all other spiritual books but every master comes and gives it a freshness for that age a unique perspective..
  
  Perhaps you should read the Bible to know what I am talking about. Here is a specific group of verses for you to ponder on:
  
  1 Corinthians 12
  1And concerning the spiritual things, brethren, I do not wish you to be ignorant;
  
  2ye have known that ye were nations, unto the dumb idols -- as ye were led -- being carried away;
  
  3wherefore, I give you to understand that no one, in the Spirit of God speaking, saith Jesus [is] anathema, and no one is able to say Jesus [is] Lord, except in the Holy Spirit.
  
  4And there are diversities of gifts, and the same Spirit;
  
  5and there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord;
  
  6and there are diversities of workings, and it is the same God -- who is working the all in all.
  
  7And to each hath been given the manifestation of the Spirit for profit;
  
  8for to one through the Spirit hath been given a word of wisdom, and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit;
  
  9and to another faith in the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings in the same Spirit;
  
  10and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another [divers] kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:
  
  11and all these doth work the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally as he intendeth.
  
  12For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also [is] the Christ,
  
  13for also in one Spirit we all to one body were baptized, whether Jews or Greeks, whether servants or freemen, and all into one Spirit were made to drink,
  
  14for also the body is not one member, but many;
  
  15if the foot may say, `Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body;
  
  16and if the ear may say, `Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body;' it is not, because of this, not of the body?
  
  17If the whole body [were] an eye, where the hearing? if the whole hearing, where the smelling?
  
  18and now, God did set the members each one of them in the body, according as He willed,
  
  19and if all were one member, where the body?
  
  20and now, indeed, [are] many members, and one body;
  
  21and an eye is not able to say to the hand, `I have no need of thee;' nor again the head to the feet, `I have no need of you.'
  
  22But much more the members of the body which seem to be more infirm are necessary,
  
  23and those that we think to be less honourable of the body, around these we put more abundant honour, and our unseemly things have seemliness more abundant,
  
  24and our seemly things have no need; but God did temper the body together, to the lacking part having given more abundant honour,
  
  25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same anxiety for one another,
  
  26and whether one member doth suffer, suffer with [it] do all the members, or one member is glorified, rejoice with [it] do all the members;
  
  27and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
  
  28And some, indeed, did God set in the assembly, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, afterwards powers, afterwards gifts of healings, helpings, governings, divers kinds of tongues;
  
  29[are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all powers?
  
  30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
  
  31and desire earnestly the better gifts; and yet a far excelling way do I shew to you:
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Bob Cedarposted 14 years ago
Let he who has not copied and pasted cast the first stone, by pressing Alt+Shift+Spacebar+S
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Elynjoposted 14 years ago
Being Judgmental especially when it comes to one's beliefs is really contemptible. I once read this hub and I participated by "responding on it" what did I get? Being lectured and judged upon as "not following the Commandments of God". Funny thing is these are the same people who think they are perfect and following God's words.
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prince1244posted 14 years ago
Wow, its that religion thing again. Spiderpam, people do not like being preach to. We should live our lives by example. It pays to be the quite follower.
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  belief713posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I started reading this thread, but it's really long so I jumped to the end & read what the recent posts said. I'm sure I missed some important arguments in between, but I wanted to comment.
  
  I do somewhat agree with this. While I do think Christians should share the gospel and the good news, often times, without realizing it, many do it by condemning and judging, which is just as wrong as the person they may be trying to "save." Although we (as Christians) sometimes like to tell others about their consequences, but many non believers (meaning in God in this sense) only view such as a "scare tactic" and therefore don't respect it. Think about how and what saved you... was it the idea that you were going to hell or was it something more along the lines of the fact that God has mercy on you, loves you, and cares for you? Just food for thought...
  
  Being the quiet follower & just setting a good example sometimes does pay off & work just as effectively. As long as you are doing it in the name & to the glory of Jesus. What many Christians fail to realize or believe is that they have to save everyone. They forget about a few other things, like free will and the fact that they may only be the person to plant the seed. Just because you planted the seed does not necessarily mean you are responsible for growing that same seed. By doing so, you can sometimes do more harm than good. That's a life lesson I've been learning, even as of late. It's not easy because we have a thing in us that we selfishly want to fill and say "I'm the one who saved that person or brought them to God" but that's not the whole design.
  
  To all non-believers, on behalf of Christians, I'm willing to stand in proxy and ask you to try to forgive them for judging you, for they too will be judged. As someone else commented, no one is perfect. I know how it feels to be harshly judged and it can be a major (if not the only) turn off. And just because you are saved does not mean you have the right or authority to get all self-righteous and now start pointing out other people's flaws. I too have harshly been judged by Christians and therefore can identify with non-believers because I walked away from God at one point, being judged was much of the reason.
  
  I'm sure non-believers have their own beliefs and justified reasons as to why they don't believe in God, and I respect it. Do I agree with it? No. But do I try to push my belief on others? I don't feel as though I do. I, personally, try to lead by example & so far it's worked for me because actions always speak louder than words.
  
  For example: Instead of handing flyers out to someone you feel needs to be saved and telling them about how wrong they are and how they'll go to hell if they don't repent and get saved, try asking them for what they need and want (out of life) and then ask them if you can pray for them (and pray for what they just told you they needed/wanted). This is a much greater ministry testifying God's Word than any track can provide. Just my 2 cents.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay I agree to a point. What is the difference between a believer who goes by the Bible--the ONLY Holy book that they will look at or believe and a believer who doesn't put lots of faith in that book, but does of God and Jesus?
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usmanali81posted 14 years ago
Yes, i am.
http://hubpages.com/hub/JESUS-WILL-RETURN
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frogyfishposted 14 years ago
I began by reading a couple of pages of posts, and the further I read, the more disturbed I felt. I do not think there is a place for this 'verbal' assault on a person just because you happen to totally disagree with their religious views. It seems to me that disagreement could still be done with kindness. I saw no genuine suggestions that were positive, but just negative commenting. Perhaps there is something behind the 'whole picture' expressed, that one doesn't fully perceive and it's eating on you...? In any case, one way or another, we'll all eventually find out! Thanks for 'listening' to my view too.
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