Conservative Christian murders 80+ in Norway

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thaivalentineposted 12 years ago
It takes more than a label to be considered a Christian and one of the Christian beliefs is "thou shall not kill". He was a Christian in his mind only.
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earnestshubposted 12 years ago
Your tiny little god had to employ someone to praise him? So then the angel he made wanted to be praised.

So now we have two incredibly insecure little invisible entities both behaving worse than most 3 year olds. Yeh that needs worshipping!
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Earneststubs, Man, you are strangling me to death. Your thought channels are so narrow until light can not pass. Develop more background knowledge even in a secular sense to help you recognize human problems and proposed solutions.
  If I am not wrong, you are the fellow who claims that he studied the scriptures and realized that they were wrong? If so, you must have a new awakening to Christ Jesus.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  The more human problems are considered and solved, and the more each problem is considered in dept; the more the Holy Scriptures reveal themselves are having the answer to life because joy is what we all are seeking, and that is with the Lord.
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  Evolution Guyposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOLOL
  
  Not feeling the joy from you. Oh well. That means you are burning in hell. Your choice I guess.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  It's your fantasy that is killing you, a bit of reality won't hurt you.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's your dead head.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Second thought, place an ad to work as a robot.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Third thought, apply for a robot assistance because facts can be programed into a robot's computer that exceeds your aggregate of facts, and it will out think you exceedingly.
  Physical Facts as proof of God?? Man, you are spiritually dead.
  Can you see your body or a view of the universe? Who? When? How? Why?
  You continual to slay me!
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! What a moronic comment that was!
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ibneahmadposted 12 years ago
The topic is:

"Conservative Christian murders 80+ in Norway"
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Zubair Ahmedposted 12 years ago
All - sometimes I wonder why it is that we take these threads so personally.

Anyway lets take away the religious angle from this thread, instead call it - A Psychopath murders 80+ in Norway.

As we all know religion (Christianity,Islam,Jew or any other) has no violent teachings - it is individuals who misunderstand or mis-use the scripture for their own agendas.

Peace and Blessings on all of us, even if we don't believe that their is a God.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  A characteristic of the masses is a very competitive race to the maxim. Mine is God. Anything short of the maxim is only a mile marker.
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  VoltaireZposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  define God...
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Then One who is missing your life!!!
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That would be my god Moe.
  
  Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop....
  
  Gospel of Larry 4:21
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You shall walk upright one day. Good luck!
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I have no such hopes for you. You shall continue to swim around in your puddle of confusion.
  
  May Moe have mercy on you.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ha! Ha! Ha! The Lord has never caused confusion. The Lord is the master of order. Please read before making accusations; you might get in trouble with God.
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Brie Hoffmanposted 12 years ago
That's right...just do a little reading like the book "Bonhoeffer" who was a Christian pastor who died fighting the Nazis.
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vtwilliposted 12 years ago
I disagree;
however self-serving it maybe to you to have "Conservative....." in your title, it is not a reflection of the churchin general. You chose to use Christian but you quarrell is not with Christians it is with the church. That guy was sick, obviously. I dont agree however, that organized religion are not of God. They are structured and governed by man. True worship of the Lord thy God (Christ) does not teach that. It is tragic that someone committed these murders in the name of the Lord and I am sorry if t has shaken the faith of anyone else. Still, your religious misfortunes are your own. Just like Christians should not force feed Christ to people you should also not force anti-religion on people. You know how I know that we serve an awesome God? He gave us free will.
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PastorTorchposted 12 years ago
Could be. So what's your point?

I'm just saying that if one claims to be HIS follower... then one would have to "turn the other cheek", "Love one's enemies and do good to those who spite you."

To make this claim and then gun down defenseless kids... is to prove you are liar. You cannot be a Christian and act like a devil. Call that circular reasoning if you want, but it still remains.

I could call myself by any name or title. If my actions are contrary to the claim, I'm a liar. Anyone who makes a case against all those who I just defamed (by claiming to be one of them) is a fraud using fictional evidence and commiting the essence of a 'hate crime'.

So where are the moderators on this? If justice is blind, it judges all men equally based on thier actions and not the political correctness of thier nomenclature.

Be they 'Conservitive Christian' or 'Liberal Activest'...
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mikelongposted 12 years ago
I wonder if this book was of any influence on the Norwegian bomber/terrorist.. It seems to be right up his alley...

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onejobsposted 12 years ago
Terrible for all stupid action
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starsofeightposted 12 years ago
The thing that defines an individual is not the name that he, or others, may choose. It is what an individual does that defines him. If a man commits acts which are not Christian, the name is not his. Christianity, itself, states that a tree is known by its own unique fruit.

How foolish are you not to know these truths about others?
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yankeeintexasposted 12 years ago
Well, I have not seen the atheists show any signs that they are a peaceful belief system!!!!
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
Evolution Guy! must be you are trying to get more hits on
site , blaming a religion for the acts of a criminal [nut ]! Shame on the idea! Thats like saying Muslims are to blame for 9/11...and we know you would dis that idea! Get real . Maybe you really need to have a chat with God!
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thebrucebeatposted 12 years ago
From what we have learned from Breivick's manifesto, he seems like a very poor poster child for a religious extremist. He characterizes himself as a "cultural Christian", meaning it is the prevailing religious position in his country and he describes himself that way more out of convenience than conviction. It is not unlike how most people are "Christian" in the U.S.
What he is is a right-wing extremist. This is not to say that religious extremism is not real. Fundamentalists of any stripe can be very dangerous, from the Ft. Hood madman to the assassin of the abortion doctor. The main reason for this is in order to be an fundamentalist, a certain rejection of rational thought is required, so the leap to insanity is a shorter one than normal. The concept of avenging angel exists in most monotheistic religious models, and if God is talking to you and saying you are that avenger, what choice do you have but to follow orders?
Breivick does not seem to be God's avenger, but rather a militant front line for the anti-multiculturalism crowd. Painting him as a conservative Christian seems misplaced, as whatever Christianity he may embrace is incidental and not deeply held.
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SpanStarposted 12 years ago
I have to say it time the ignorance of man does astound me. Jesus heals a man's hand as the people around watch.

Mark, Chapter 3

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And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

But rather than being grateful and thankful that Jesus healed one of their own they look at Jesus as if he's the devil and they want to kill them. It seems obvious that there are people who do not want to believe the truth but rather what they choose to believe.

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And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

http://www.allonlinebible.com/Mark/3.html

how does the actions of this Anders Behring Breivik sound even remotely like those of Jesus in the Bible?
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If you are completely honest, the behavior of most Christians doesn't look very much like that of Jesus. All are sinners, so says scripture, and no sin is ranked as better or worse than another. In God's eyes, you are no better than Breivick.
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  TheBrucebeat,
  
  That is about the stupidest thing I have heard anybody say as of yet. It is true that God is sovereign and he can forgive whomever he chooses. But to say there is no distinction between a monster and civilized human beings is psychotic. With no distinction between good and evil there is no reason for heaven and hell.
  
  Jesus himself makes the distinction when he talks to people and say you are what your father the devil.
  
  The fact that we are all sinners is true the distinction is made by having Jesus stand in as I emissary.
  
  If I were you I would think seriously before they could these catastrophic erroneous statements.
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  Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "If I were you I would think seriously before they could these catastrophic erroneous statements."
  
  "That is about the stupidest thing I have heard anybody say as of yet."
  
  Ditto.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We are all sinners. None of us turn our back on evil, but require a Savior to deliver us from it. Isn't that what scripture says? You are no more worthy of heaven than Pol Pot, according to scripture, save that you reach out in supplication.
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  We are all sinners there is no question about that and we need a Savior in order to approach God absolutely correct. But distinctions are made and we cannot make generalizations that Hitler and Mother Teresa are the same because Heaven makes distinctions which is to say some of us will be written into the book of life and others won't.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So where was the savior in the beginning? He wasn't needed then, so why did god change his mind once again?
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Randy I'm sure you're trying to say something but I can't figure out what it is you're talking about?
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You indicated a savior was needed to approach god, but this wasn't true in the beginning. So, I am asking you why god changed his mind. A simple question for those who claim to understand why heaven makes this distinction.
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  Jim Hunterposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  After original sin he made himself scarce.
  
  What's not to understand?
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Randy,
  
  You are correct God did changes his mind. We were all destined for hell but because of the enormous love God has for his people he chose not to allow all of us to be sent to hell. The choice of not going to Hell rest in our hands.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So an omnipotent deity who sees all gets it wrong in the beginning? I would suspect any mortal man would know better than to tell a woman she could have any fruit but one but place the tree within easy reach. But an all powerful god didn't have a clue.
  
  Yep, this is one guy I'm going to depend on for my salvation!
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Randy,
  
  You have been given the freedom to do as you like. But the purpose for the tree of knowledge was a test to see if mankind really will it follow him or not.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So you are saying god didn't already know what would happen? Some omnipotent god you got there. But he did have a thing for 13 year old virgins, so who knows what he really wants?
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Randy,
  
  it doesn't look to me like you're looking for any real answers so I'll say this last thing and be done with it. When we have children as parents and for example we teach our kids to play on the sidewalk and not in the street. Knowing that we've done a good job in instructing our children we still from time to time watch to see if they run into the street.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  And it seems to me you have no real answers. Just excuses for your god's actions which make no sense whatsoever. But then, I suppose you are not aware most of the old testament was plagiarized from previous gods and religions.
  
  The flood myth was taken almost verbatim from The Epic of Gilgamesh while the Jesus myth was "borrowed" from the Egyptian god Horus. Obviously, your god couldn't provide his own material.
  
  But I doubt you've ever researched where the bible came from anyway. Most christians do not take the trouble to find out.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed ,and I also agree than many scholars side step the Holy Spirt ,some churches entirely
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps it's because there is no known example of there being only one holy spirit in existence. Or even one, for that matter. I cannot perceive of there only being one god if gods do indeed exist.
  
  Where did all of the other ancient gods get their names from? Mortal men, of course. But I'm sure your god is better than all the multitudes of previous gods. Why does your god need to split into three parts? Ever wondered why this is necessary? I'll bet you haven't.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You would lose the bet randy
  
  3 in one is an easy concept to me.
  
  Jesus -Gods son
  God-The Father
  Holy Spirit-The heart of God (Personality/Power/Essence)
  
  I am 3 in one also.
  
  I am someones daughter
  
  I am someones mother
  
  I am someones wife
  
  One person -3 separate functions.
  
  Or how bout an egg
  
  The white
  
  The yolk
  
  The shell
  
  One egg
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But can you sacrifice your children and bring them back and claim to have given up something? You are speaking as a mortal, not as an omnipotent being claiming multiple personalities. Or perhaps you do not see the difference.
  
  Or is god merely an egg?
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But if we knew they were going to get squished by an eighteen wheeler in the next five minutes, would we leave them on the sidewalk? That's what an all-knowing God did.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Is that the "Grand Plan" revealed? We are all destined for hell? God loves us so much he created us to burn in fire and brimstone?
  
  Why would anyone love or obey a god like that?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My opinion is we acknowledge God or we dont.
  
  There are consequences either way.
  
  Some we already see and it is not good.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Do I need to acknowledge all gods or just a certain one? If a certain one, what consequences will occur if I don't acknowledge the rest of them?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Seek and you shall find
  
  (Helps if yer looking first)
  
  I dunno ,its a personal journey.
  I ran into a couple of well known religious figures ,until I found who was 'true' for me.
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I think I understand, I need to seek out a god that believes in the same things I believe. Gotcha. Thanks.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You didnt (get me) but yer welcome anyway
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Since gods are vying for my worship and obedience with sales pitches, I don't see any alternative way it could happen.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  God doesn't change His mind. Recheck your perception.
  
  God doesn't roll dice. Albert Einstein
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  SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  My perception is on track-at some point God said "I'm sorry I made man" yet he still allowed man to exist.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Gods often change their minds, Okie. Even you might catch a break if you deign to educate yourself a bit. I feel sorry for you, though. You seem frightened out of your mind.
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  VoltaireZposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  "God doesn't roll dice" Albert Einstein, do you know the origin of this comment? Do you know what Albert is talking about here? He's talking about quantum mechanics, and he was proven wrong. God does roll dice.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  That distinction disappears when Hitler falls to his knees and confesses his sins and asks for forgiveness in Jesus Christ. Beware, you never know. You may be sitting next to Jeffrey Dahmer at the Great Banquet in the next life.
  In Isaiah it says "My ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts. My ways are higher than your ways, my thoughts are higher than your thoughts." God told us that we wouldn't understand it, that we would be unable to understand him. Those that think they have him all figured out are not listening to scripture. Paul tells us all will not be revealed to us until our death.
  Don't get too cocky. I think God loves knocking people down a peg.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Nice and interesting theory, but in a practical sense there would be to much discontinuality in the mind of hitler to honestly accept Jesus. Due to the hardness of his heart, the low life bastard only expected hell. He blow his brains out before asking God to forgive him. Let stay real!
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You are very presumptuous. Never assume you know the mind of another human being. You are simply projecting what you wish to be true.
  Did you know the bible does not specify suicide as sin? Since Jesus knew what was going to happen to him and willingly went forward with no resistance, couldn't it reasonably been considered suicide?
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  I do not know the mind of any human totally, but most times adding 2 plus 2 = hitler had amassed beyond critical evil in this particular situation and there was no turning back by hitler regardless of the fact God would have forgiven him.
  
  Remember also, at the second coming of Jesus evil persons' hearts are going to stop out of fear of God without God even directing a force at them...won't even touch one, just His presence!
  
  Ludicrous!! Jesus went to be crucified for our sins which was the Will of God. All has been trumped!
  My feeling toward hitler has nothing to do with the fact that I am a Black Jew with a Jew sir name; hitler was one evil dude in anyone's book.
  I spit on his grave.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  If all is trumped, then Hitler would have been forgiven from his knees, right?
  What kind of Christian spits on people's graves?
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are plenty of questions about that, so I'm wondering why you haven't you heard them.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  But you are indeed not Bruce, as you have catastrophic erroneous statements of your own to make,
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  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Your oneupmanship takes the prize though.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
The BruceBeat , Thats a great cool-aid you are trying to give away, I guess christions are dangerous on the scale I would place them right next to the Atheists and left wingnuts as yourself!
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  ahorseback,
  If you weren't blinded by your agenda and your general inability to reason, you would have read that I posted about him not being an extremist Christian, merely an extremist right winger.
  That fact is seperate from the statement that those that don't follow Jesus' actions are not necessarily non-Christian. Jesus came to cure the sick, not celebrate those that saw themselves as already perfect.
  Your worldview is very simple. The world is not.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
I must say , the older I get the less I know , But I'll tell you this , every idiot that does something like this will not ever be understood as long as you have your blinders on to reality. He is a nut case , Period !, It's not Jesus' fault and its not his fathers . It was his fault . Pure and simple. Such a peace loving country though , it took authorities an hour to get there!
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What do you expect to learn if you simply say he is a nutcase and close the book? He is, of course, but how did that happen? Not being interested in that answer assures that it will happen more often, not less. We agree that Jesus has nothing to do with this, so if this post was a reply to mine, you have really lost all reading comprehension. If it's not, then on that part we agree but the lack of interest in what actually did cause it I don't share with you.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
Might as well do what most liberal genius does , Blame the Gun!
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Unresponsive.
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thebrucebeatposted 12 years ago
Thanks for the support from people on both sides of the religious debate. The fact that both sides find the rhetoric directed toward me reprehensible gives me more faith than any of my attackers posts.

Thanks again.
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ahorsebackposted 12 years ago
Bruce ,Nut jobs are nut jobs , All the shrinks will get together in evaluating his mommy and daddy ,how often he masterbates and determine he is just like every other nut at oh 1,000 bucks an hour and let the People support his lifestyle in prison for 20 years max! Wanna bet? How many times do we have to investigate nut jobs and the actions thereof?
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Investigate them as long as we are learning something from it. You either don't believe learning is possible or aren't interested in knowing anything you don't think you know now. I'm different.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Everything is black and white to you isn't it?
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Everything SHOULD be black n white. Love is color blind. Gray is humanism protecting itself against itself.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  What should be and what IS are often two different things. Life is much more complicated than that.
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  jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Bruce, this is perhaps the first time you and I disagree.
  Shocking as it is, to us both, Life is quite simple. It is humans and their quest for what, why, which, when, where, whom that makes that simplicity complex.
  
  James.
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wilmiers77posted 12 years ago
Finally, the M.F. that murdered 80+ persons could not have been a Christian because he is a "M.F.".
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  How do you feel about deities impregnating betrothed 13 year old virgins? Or perhaps you are a Mormon and support Warren Jeffs?
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Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago
Word of God (Inspired by God)

Words about the word of God (Inspired by men)

All Inspiration.

All written by men, but not ALL inspired of by God.

Hmm.

Real question perhaps is the one Jesus asked:

"Who do you say I am"?
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thebrucebeatposted 12 years ago
Goodnight everyone, and again, thanks for your support, particularly from those who think I'm a heretic! LOL. I appreciate it.
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thebrucebeatposted 12 years ago
Just wanted to alert people that Wilmiers has resorted to attacking me via personal email. This is an unstable person that is seriously not in control of himself. It may be wise to simply ignore him.
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  earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. I had figured that out. I didn't think the nuttery would go as far as personal email though I must admit.
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't surprise me in the least. One could almost sense his frustration in his posts.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Brucebeat, the "contact brucebeat" link is available to all. You received two emails from me; one requesting the truth, and another acknowledging your punk request. I even explained why I used your email address in the first place.
  The truth is dangerous to you.
  
  *********
  
  Not interested in having a pleasant chat now. Behavior has consequences. Let us just go our separate ways. I would appreciate you not using my email to contact me. Our relationship is strictly a public, online one.
  
  I would hope you would respect my wishes.
  
  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: Re: Murderer of...80+
  From: "Will Myers" <wilmiers77@att.net>
  Date: Sun, July 31, 2011 8:38 pm
  To: <bruce@thebrucebeat.com>
  
  FIRST EMAIL:
  
  Well truthfully, why did you leave the ministry? I have heard the first story, and you know at least one has to be a lie.
  I quoted scripture and paraphrased scripture after scripture for you and it was as if I said nothing. Have you lost faith also?I still have the intentions of not letting the devil have you. You do look as if you have been a member of the Body of Christ.
  
  At times, and this was one of them, spiritual warfare rises in me.
  
  I read where you have done some acting and was good at it. I knocked around Hollywood for several years. Met many celebs, but never got out of the bathroom. LOL! My first producer died and I was really hurt, and decided to give up. I don't know if you have heard of Steve Faulkner of Falcon Studios on Hollywood Blvd. He was a Hollywood legend. Faulkner was the first American Fensing Olympian champ in 1932. Later, produced musicals in the 40's. Error Flynn(?), sword buckler in pirate movies, was one his products plus many others.
  
  I have no credits, but my name is Will Myers of Oklahoma. Sort of got stuck with Oklahoma Kid on the streets of Los Angeles and Hollywood unfornately; although, it got me in all of the establishments free. LOL!
  
  Oh, I sent my email to you because I got kicked off of hubpages for a few days. LOLOLOLOLOL!
  
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: bruce@thebrucebeat.com
  To: wilmiers
  Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:36 PM
  Subject: RE: Murderer of...80+
  
  First, that's not why I left the ministry.
  
  Second, I am simply observing that you are not peaceful, loving, joyful, patient, good, kind, gentle and lack self control. I guess you are faithful, in your way. These are the signs of a Spirit filled believer, according to Paul in Galatians. You don't have the courage to continue this in a public forum, because you have seen that everyone has turned against you.
  Good luck. You need it, because God is not helping you.
  *******
  
  Who are you to decide who God is helping? I feel more energy than at any time...
  
  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: Murderer of...80+
  From: "wilmiers (via HubPages)" <email@hubpages.com>
  Date: Sun, July 31, 2011 4:30 pm
  To: bruce@thebrucebeat.com
  
  Ecclesiastes 3:1
  
  To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven.
  
  You asked me why don't I display the fruits of the spirit....
  
  I replied that I was in a situation with YOU, and it called for the purpose of answering your question "what about the sincere people who could not connect to God...
  
  I quoted the scripture in which you didn't believe. Just because they didn't connect when you thought that they should, you dropped your so called ministry.
  
  Now, you are imposing the same a#s selfish thinking on me asking why are you at this time NOT displaying the fruits of the spirit. Who are you to make these decisions. I say you are no one.
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  ACKNOWLEDGING EMAIL:
  
  Ok sissy. Don't reply to this email. Wishes granted.
  
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  brucebeat,
  Now, aren't you being a slight bit deceptive concerning my attack on you?
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  You continue to show no signs of an indwelling of the Holy Spirit through the Fruits as described in Galatians.
  Thanks for the review of our private discussion. I will let others be their own judge.
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  tbb, you continue to write as if you are mrs. god, deciding when, what, and how. You are heightening yourself to be abased by God.
  
  "There is a time and season for all things under the sun."; a time to cry; a time to laugh and a time for spiritual warfare; a time to be abased by GOD.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Why do so many "devout" Christians react so badly when the Fruits of the Spirit are mentioned? Why do they choose to ignore them and so much more of the Pauline epistles?
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  wilmiers77posted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Great for you! You continual to write as if you are a magician who can demand the showing of the fruits of the spirit. I am now energized for spiritual warfare. At God's timing, the fruits shall reveal themselves.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Ecclesiastes is OT, and thus pre-dates Jesus sending the Advocate (the Holy Spirit) to minister to those that accept him as their Savior. According to Paul, the time for the Fruits is now, when we accept Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
  "Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, liscentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, ENMITIES, STRIFE, JEALOUSY, ANGER, QUARRELS, DISSENSIONS, FACTIONS, ENVY, drunkenness, carousing and things like these. Iam warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such thigs will not inherit the Kingdom of God." Galatians 5:19-21
  Do those traits seem familiar?
  In comparison, how do your posts personify peace, love, joy, patience, goodness, kindness, gentleness or self control?
  Using Ecclesiastes simply shows an ignorance of scripture and the teachings of Christ and Paul and an unwillingness to attempt what is truly difficult and challenging about following the faith.
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carlinefposted 12 years ago
I don't believe this. Of course it takes faith to believe in God and the Son of God. It's a shame to see people not get it. :-(
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  Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  Don't believe what? Who, or what are you addressing?
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carlinefposted 12 years ago
We shouldn't react badly to the Fruits of the Spirit. They are beautiful and allow God's grace through Christ to manifest in our lives. We need God's grace so much now.
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  thebrucebeatposted 12 years agoin reply to this
  So why do so few Christians on here reflect them?
  I should note that there are a few who do, and they represent the faith well and make it compelling and interesting.
  But so very, very few.
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thebrucebeatposted 12 years ago
While you're at it, Wilmier, devise a strategy to wiggle out of this one.

"Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only what is useful for building up, as there is need, so that your words may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption. Put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you." Ephesians 4:29-32

The word of God for the people of God. Thanks be to God.

Right?
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