Asking Buddhism, Islam, Christian and Hinduism... What will Happen....

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   cakedewposted 12 years ago

   Asking Buddhism, Islam, Christian and Hinduism... What will Happen....
   What will happen to pretty nice guy that live his life with good moral compass.
   He not killing anyone...
   He not cheating anyone...
   He always help people in need...
   Not drink alcohol or drugs...
   But he not pray to any of god...
   And don't believe there is any god exist...
   
   Will he end up in heaven or hell in your religion?

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      Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well I always say there are are three types of Atheists: 1. Was never taught about God. 2. Needs scientific proof that God exists. 3. Claims not believe in God because they are mad at God. The first two reasons are hardly the persons fault it is a result of the environment that they are raised in. I look at God as a father, you fight with Him, yell at Him, disobey Him, make Him angry, and you cry to Him, but at the end of the day you know just like a father that he is still for you when you need him.
      
      I think too many people are taught the wrong things about God and that is the fault of the humans that mislead them.
      But in direct answer to your Question...I don't know what will happen as I have no authority to judge you or your life. Maybe nothing happens, but a according to all scientific evidence energy can never be destroyed and your soul is simply a life force (energy), when you die it is the soul leaving the body and as it is energy and cannot be destroyed where does it escape to?

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         quicksandposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         1. Never taught about GOD - Life went on smoothly. No problems to face, no trials or tribunals ... no real problems that cannot be solved by the mortals in the vicinity. So where does GOD fit in? Eventually when GOD is brought into the scene later in life, there is no need to accommodate him. So why bother?
         
         2. No scientific proof - Science is indeed a great thing. Scientists have made life easier by discovering the laws of GOD ... oops, sorry the laws of nature, and harnessing these laws to benefit mankind in many ways, so much so that in this age life itself is a pleasure!
         
         However, once you get hooked to science and understand the basics and a little beyond, you will never cease your involvement in it. Even when you reach the point beyond which science ceases to provide answers. I mean even when you realize the limitations of science.
         
         Proof of GOD "probably" exists beyond these limitations. In other words you cannot provide scientific proof as simple as being able to prove that the "square on the hypotenuse ... "
         
         3. A very interesting point indeed! I understand what you mean and that probably sums it all up.
         
         @Cakedew - Well, if you live a life the way you have described it, you will probably go somewhere where you will simply love the ambiance!
         
         No offense meant to any mortal!
         
         

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         A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         LOL! How very little you know of those who do not share your beliefs.
         
         
         
         Like the starving child who prays to God for food but gets none?
         
         
         
         True, parents teach their children about the God they believe in but do not teach about any other religions, hence the children are indoctrinated; mislead.
          
         
         
         LOL! Please don't bring scientific evidence into your faith. Souls have never been shown to exist.

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            Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Noetic Science and Quantum Physics....    Check it out

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               A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, the former is nonsensical drivel while the latter is a working theory, please try not to confuse the two or bring them into the same concept.

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                  Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  but both are two different means of reaching the same end. Please don't try to be condescending, it just proves why you are troubled, I did nothing to you, and in fact all you have done so far is be rude. I don't look down on you for what you believe in or don't believe, so give me the same respect I have given you.

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                     A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No, they aren't, you will get nothing from Noetic Science, which isn't actually science at all, but instead, pointless pseudo-scientific drivel.
                     
                     Quantum field theory is something entirely different.
                     
                     
                     
                     You have insulted my intelligence with nonsense and I have pointed that out.
                     
                     
                     
                     Insulting my intelligence with nonsense does not command respect.

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                        Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Well they killed Galileo for his theories or non-sense back in the day. So I see anyone with a closed and bias mind to be a fool. That withstanding, I hope that you get the help that you truly need, because anyone this intent on being rude to someone on the internet must have some issues at home to deal with. So with that I wish you the best and I hope that everything gets better for you. But as to this pathetic drama, you can count me out. Even if you waste your time to respond to this, please know that I will not be wasting my time to respond so maybe you can feel like you have gotten the last word. Good Luck to you and best wishes in all that you do.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           No, he wasn't killed, get your facts straight.
                           
                           "He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest..." wiki
                           
                           
                           
                           LOL! Are you upset because I pointed out that Noetic Science and Quantum Field theory are two completely different things, or that I pointed out the Noetic Science organization is bunkum, or that you insulted my intelligence?

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                              Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes Galileo was on house arrest until death, you are right. It was Copernicus was poisoned to death using the Holy Bible and Arsenic, Sorry I referred to the wrong Astronomer. With that I am finished the conversation, please go bully someone else.

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Funny, pointing out your nonsense is bullying?

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                                    Erin Boggs1posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    No, taking out the fact that you don't believe in anything on everyone else is. I simply don't feel it is my job to make others believe is my responsibility, I try to understand what other beliefs are and I try to educate myself to understand them. I do not condemn others nor do I harass others about what they believe however you seem to be on the attack for anyone that doesn't believe the same things you do. This why there are wars, because there are people that will not try to understand or have compassion for other people. Having to be right all the time is foolish and it keeps you from opening your mind to new possibilities. Is a person having a soul such a bad thing to you, and why?
                                    
                                    I cannot understand why you have a vendetta against anyone who says they have a different belief than you. I often think that people that try to pound into others that the Bible contains the only true God are bullies too. You are the anti-Bible-thumper, you act like anyone who has faith is threatening you....I wouldn't do that but you acted like I did...My boyfriend is an atheist and I never try to convert him nor do I preach to him. I respect our differences. My best friend is also an atheist and to be honest I don't converse with many other Christians because I don't like that "I am right and you are wrong" mentality and I don't appreciate that you just assumed you knew the type of person that I am and tried to attack my beliefs  because they differ from yours.
                                    
                                    Please stop as you have no respect for anyone else opinions. I prefer to believe as you do with God, that you do not exist.

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      redmachine76posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If god ever exist i think this guy is safe at the end of the day.
      God from any religious will still love any good guy no matter what.

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Creator God will reward him for the good things he did:

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         paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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      LewSethicsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Universe is big enough so that whatever you think will happen to you will happen to you.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   Well considering the fact that there are no gods heaven or hell, I would suggest he will live a good life then become worm food along with every human who has died and been buried.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   According to the Christian holy scriptures there is one, and only one, requirement for heaven; belief in Jesus Christ.  Actions don't matter, and praying to God doesn't matter.  If you believe you will end up in heaven and if you don't you will burn in eternal torment.
   
   As an example, none of the natives in the western hemisphere ever heard of God before the invasion of Europeans and even then it took centuries to spread the word to all of them.  Those that didn't know of the Christian God obviously didn't believe in His son and are thus condemned to hell for eternity.  The aborigines of Australia are in the same boat, as are an awful lot of the far east peoples.
   
   The Dalai Lama doesn't appear to believe in Christ, and neither did Buddha or Mohammed.  All three are therefore destined for Hell.

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      DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      God created all men, but only revealed himself to only a few, and all who don't hear or know about Jesus are being held accountable? Hmm...this doesn't sound very loving or fair.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's not basic Christian beliefs.    It takes more than believing in Christ;  even the Devil believes in Christ (believes/knows that He's real); the Bible says we must Love the Lord.  And we must pray.
      the Bible says Faith without works is dead;  so it goes both ways.
      
      But non-belief is one of the sins that makes people miss out on going to Heaven.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
         
         That's a little hard to read any other way, unless you think that "not condemned" means purgatory or something other than heaven or hell.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry if there's any confusion about what I said. 
            I was trying to say that it takes real feeling to actual BE a Christian.  It's not just a decision of the mind; it's a decision of the heart.  We can't just be a "good" person and expect to go to Heaven unless we acknowledge our sins and get born-again.  It takes sorrowful repentance for sins; it takes Loving God (as I said, even Satan believes in God, but he doesn't Love and trust Him).  That's why people are "condemned" if they don't even believe the basics; yes, unbelief is a sin!   But "condemned" doesn't mean there isn't hope, because anyone can get forgiveness if they're repentant.
            
            Interpreting most Scriptures requires taking the words within the context of the overall concepts of the Bible.  It's not something you can take one specific verse and apply literally every time, although there are indeed many verses that can be take literally and at specific face value.

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               Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Nowhere in the bible does it teach that anyone goes to Heaven when they die. We simply rot in the grave, and our consciousness "sleeps" until the resurrection. Shortly after this event the heavens and earth are renewed.
               
               As for condemnation of unbelievers, the dictionary definition is 1) to express strong disapproval of 2) to pronounce guilty. So just where does eternal torture come in?
               
               Now if non-belief is a sin then the fact that Messiah died for our sin means by definition that the sin of unbelief is forgiven. If unbelief is not forgiven then John the Baptist was mistaken when he observed "Here is the lamb that takes away the sin of the world", and Messiah's work is not complete which means God is a liar.
               
               The church's description of hell is an invention assimilated from pagan belief systems; along with its second god aka satan.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Eh...there's a key word that many do like to dismiss.
                  REPENT.
                  
                  If Jesus was gonna sacrifice Himself just so there'd be no punishment at all for outright rebellion and sins, then He wouldn't have preached the message of Repentance.  He died to show us there IS opportunity to get forgiveness.   And that He is the only way to do so!

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                     DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     John 3:16 says nothing about repenting.
                     
                     The Greek word that we translate into "Repent" means nothing more than "Changing your your mind or purpose".
                     It does not mean ask forgiveness, it means change your ways. There are many who don't change their ways and continue to ask forgiveness for sins, instead of actually "REPENTING" or changing their sinful lifestyles.
                     
                     Jesus has already forgiven (taken upon himself) all sins. There is no more need to ASK, one must now believe (that Jesus forgave all sin) and REPENT (change thier life) from sin.

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                     Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     So when Messiah prayed on the cross "Father forgive them" did God forgive them or not? If not then why does Messiah have greater compassion? If they were forgiven, then notice there were no preconditions, such as repentance.
                     
                     To be a servant of God repentance is indeed required. But if the penalty for sin has been paid and God said "yes and amen" to the request "father forgive them" then how can it be possible for God to renege on His word and torture people in sone mythical pagan hell?

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                        Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Jesus prayed Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
                        Since His death and resurrection, with the Gospel having been preached to almost all the world, how many people do you think now do NOT know what they do?  I think almost all of them know exactly what they're doing.  They've heard, they've seen or know of people who have seen, they've been given the Word (both written, Spiritual, and in the flesh), yet what do they do?

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                           Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Nope I think it's unlikely. For a start living in the West does not mean that the population at large have ever had the Church's version of the gospel described to them. Secondly, the message is nullified by the Church because of the corruption and hypocrisy; one only has to turn on God TV or Trinity Broadcasting Network to see this in action. Thirdly the Christian religion is largely a human invention: immortal conscious spirit leaving the body after death, ascending to heaven, Satan an arch fiend of God, torbent in the flames of hell, the trinity. These are all catholic inventions derived from assimilating pagan ideas.
                           
                           Then just how far do you actually think Messiah has been preached in say China or Russia or the Islamic states? Now let's consider those others who died but were never told; those born more than 2000 years ago or those born in the last 100 years in darkest Africa. Does God judge by two sets of standards? Is that logical?
                           
                           Haven't you noticed that in Revelation at the Great White Throne everyone is judged according to their WORKS and not by what they believed? Haven't you also noticed that although those that are thrown into the lake of fire are those who's names are not in the book of life, the bible never once tells us how one gets their names in there in the first place? Notice too how David asked God to blot the names of his enemies from the book, so they were in there and yet they did not believe in the Messiah as he hadn't yet come. In fact the only way to get a name blotted out is to change the word of God; which is exactly what the Church does all the time with ifs false pagan doctrines.

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               John does not agree with your interpretation; he was very very clear that all you need to do is believe in Christ to be saved.  You do not need to "live a good life".  It doesn't take belief in the basics and it doesn't take sorrowful repentance; it takes belief in Christ.  Not loving Him, just believing in Him.
               
               Unless you have been appointed by God to be His prophet and been given the right to change His inspired word you cannot make the call of changing that word to what you think is right.

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                  paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  John was not authorized by Jesus to write anything; he is not a spokesperson of Jesus.

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     No, but he wrote the missives and said the words that the church translated and modified under the eye to God to make up that part of the bible.

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   dungeonraiderposted 12 years ago

   I can't speak for all Christians, but I can certainly speak for myself.  I have no belief whatsoever that people that haven't heard the Word of God will find themselves lost forever.  I don't believe in a God that would operate in that way.  I do believe that once you've heard the Word of God and choose to stay turned from Him, that, when you physically die, you may be lost to him forever.  I also believe that those that mock the Holy Spirit of God will be cast into the Lake of Fire.  That's what Hell is reserved for, so far as I've understood.  The man who lives his life morally correct will find no place in a Christian Heaven unless he also proclaims Jesus Christ as his Savior (to be cleansed of sin before setting foot in Heaven).
   
   Christianity, and probably certain aspects of other religions, allow for some intellectual freedom.  I don't bother with Christian rituals or letter-for-letter determination.  I'm not a Holy Priest of God.  I'm just a believer.  And I don't put my belief in a box and condemn other men for not being perfect followers of perceived religious law.  That would be futile, anyway.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! So, first you say we're going to hell because we don't proclaim Jesus as our Savior, but you're not going to condemn other men for not following your God.
      
      The hypocrisy is outstanding.

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not quite following here.  First you say that
      
      "I have no belief whatsoever that people that haven't heard the Word of God will find themselves lost forever" but then claim:
      
      "The man who lives his life morally correct will find no place in a Christian Heaven unless he also proclaims Jesus Christ as his Savior".
      
      The two seem diametrically opposed unless you are assuming purgatory or something like it that is nether heaven nor hell?

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         dungeonraiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @A Troubled Man - How can I be a hypocrite when I didn't write the Bible nor am I in a position to judge you when you die??  And if I did say you were going to Hell, would you really believe it, coming from me?  I hope not.  Matters of God are serious and I sincerely hope that any unbelievers out there have at least read some of the Torah, Quran, and/or Bible before making any decisions about their own faith and destiny.
         
         @wilderness - I haven't made a decision as to what I believe when it comes to unbelief.  Do I believe that a child, who was molested by a priest in his youth, and turns away from God, is lost forever?  Of course not.  I doubt that the God of All is an entity that I would be able to understand, anyway.  But my studies and belief have brought me to a place where I believe Hell was widened by past believers to include more than will really be lost there.  Those that mock the Holy Spirit of God will endure everlasting torment.  Those that do not, will not.
         
         And someone once told me, 'Jason, why would a person who didn't want to associate with Christians or God in real-life want to spend eternity with them in Heaven?'

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            A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No, I don't take your empty threats seriously, no matter how many times you utter them. But, the fact remains that you are threatening me with your beliefs.
            
            There are plenty of books that have things written in them that we would never do or utter to others. Yet, you are doing exactly that but are not taking responsibility for your actions.
            
             
            
            Interestingly enough, there is a greater degree of education amongst non-believers about religions than the believers themselves.
            
            But no, matters of God are not serious at all. They are irrelevant.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   There are a helluva lot of people in the world Brenda, probably a billion in China and India alone who know nothing of your beliefs, as well as those who neither read nor write, or are are infirm.

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      WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well put.

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         earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks! What's for dinner?

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            WD Curry 111posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Bangers and mash!

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               earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Fine by me. I like a bit of half cooked onion in the potatoes.
               I take my religion as it is..... half baked.

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   WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago

   It isn't about punishment, so much. "Perfect Love casts out fear." I want to know and have that perfect Love. I don't, maybe we can work together to find it.

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   WD Curry 111posted 12 years ago

   This is a tough one. When Christianity hit America, with her insistence on personal freedom, it was like a shotgun blast of theology and doctrine. When asked, I say I am a Christian. Others insist that I specify more accurately. What kind of Christian? Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Charismatic, Episcopal, American Methodist Episcopal, Mountain Assemblies Church of God (pick up a snake, brother!)?
   
   No! I am a Christian. The first non-denominational denomination. The premise was, "Find common ground." No one seemed willing to accommodate us in our mission. We were so stupid, that we entertained the possibility of all people cooperating to eliminate wrong and establish right as a life-style.
   
   Excuse me, did I mentiont Martin Luther King and Malcolm X? That's right . . . Malcolm had the courage to change his mind about racism when he made the pilgrimage to Mecca . . . it cost him his life. Can you take a hint?

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh!
   Like a kick in the wedding vegetables!

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