Wouldn't it be nice to determine whether or not "G/god" is actually real and not some imaginary mindless disease engulfing of the brain.
God is an atheist, He does not believe in any other Gods.
Ah, but he does. And, by extension, so do all who say that they believe that God is the author of Truth. Please refer to Exodus 12:12 where God says "And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment." Also, Exodus 22:28 - "Thou shalt not revile the gods.'
Perhaps these other gods died off or something somewhere along the line. But it seems pretty clear that even God thought there was substance enough to other 'gods' that he saw reason to execute judgment against them and to refer to them in plural.
So, to answer the question, polytheistic definitely.
You should study the Nephilim. The first half of the old testament is about them.
Lol nephilim is my gamertag on steam,Xbox, and psn.
Do you post on youtube's 10 questions?
You should visit youtubes "10 questions that every intelligent christian should answer" video.
There is always some entertaining debate on there. That is actually how I started debating religion.
I first went on youtube looking for conspiracy theorist videos to post on for a laugh and I stumbled across the 10 questions video. I got to know a few people and ended up posting there for years, learned loads about religions, DNA, evolution and world history as a result.
After a while, I got a little tired of the frequent visits made by people who were arguing without any intellect or information about what they were arguing about so I searched for a site where the posters would be a little more intelligent and that is how I found this site.
I thought a site dedicated to authors MUST be frequented by intelligent, intellectual people who would have much more articulated arguments then "god did it now dont question him".
Oh how wrong I was.
LOL who would've thought a 3 letter response would invoke such a lengthy reply?
Lol it's all good though, now I feel like I know you better or whatever.
There's a lot of people who are extreme in their beliefs whatever they are.
But it's cool when you see rational people.
That's so funny!
The level of intelligence certainly dropped another notch with your presence!
And you have the misconception that you are debating, intelligently.
ROTFL.
But, you're not, you're free to think and feel and act like any other human. Perhaps, it is your religion that is making you feel that way.
Just a thought.
I don't believe God has a religion only people.
I've got to go with this one.
After all... God is God (aka Higher Power). Religion is man-made.
Christianity. Without denominational trappings.
And as far as the "works" of religion, the Bible states that pure, undefiled religion is to visit the widowed and fatherless in their affliction and to keep ones's self unspotted from the world.
I'm not sure I understand the question? ALL religions are based on a belief in a god. To answer your question, they all are?
They are when you take the dictionary definition of "religion" as belief in a god.
I guess it would depend on how you define the word. Everybody has their own understanding or definition.
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religion is e message of god to humanity
i belive it s abrahamique religions
but thanks to ppl who have when ever god reveal e new one thy stuben and stay at the first
I truly cannot see where anyone but human beings make up religion. Why would God waste time making up religion, which is a mess these days. Only people can make such a mess of things.
If you're hindu then god is hinduism has santan dharma religion. If you're buddhist, god has no religion. If you're islamic then god is muslim. If you're pastafarian then god is noodly.
If you're christian then god is christian, for christs sake.
I think the OP meant what's the Godly religion, not that God Himself has a religion....?
Possibly. But I have to go with, what the OP wrote is what I see.
In that case, the most "Godly" religion would likely be Jainism, followed closely by Buddhism, then Hinduism.
That is if you define God as kind, loving, peaceful and forgiving.
If your God is an angry, jealous, murderous son of a (*&)( then Christianity and Islam are neck and neck.
I cannot find fault with your statement.
Actually, I'm going to take that back. I'm a kinder, gentler paradigmsearch now.
Unbeknownst to you, I have you to thank for calming me down. Melissa's post had me chomping at the bit. But I'm coolin' my heels now. 'Tis the season for Thanksgiving.
Melissa admitted that she is a witch, and thus should be forgiven
If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
And therefore--?
A witch!
Ah, but will Melissa sink when immersed?
Seriously Hollie, you are quickly becoming my first online girl-crush. If you can tell me whether a coconut can be carried by an African swallow, I will declare you my Goddess.
finally!
some girl-on-girl Hubpages action after 2 years!
Here's some more
(Yes, I know I am both going to hell AND having my rainbow card revoked)
Wow, don't we look fantastic together. With respect to the Swallow, only the females are capable of carrying a coconut for any distance (stamina)
Well if we're all admitting what we are then I am the grand wizard of nincompoops
I didn't get a copy of that memo.
Wouldja send me one?
lol
can't follow any religion with a swastika as a symbol
It's not a swastika it is backwards to the Nazi swastika. And obviously much older.
If there is a G-d, then why would it worship anything? It has no religion. Religion, in all of its different flavors, is for people.
thank you for my new medical condition...
sterility
[stəril′itē]
Etymology: L, sterilis, barren
a condition of being unable to conceive or reproduce the species.
I think God worships us think about it. It's through our growth, our enlightenment that the whole of which we are all a part grows- in some circles they believe that god created us as a form of expression and that we are all but pieces of god manifest in a reality of expression.
In that belief, god and us- we're the same and we'd mirror one another, synergize with one another and worship one another (as we understand the word "worship" not as a verb but as an adjective- respect and realize that both sides appeal to and bring out the other. If we're an expression of god (man in his/her image) then we'd worship one another equally- not with prejudice but with the laws of love.
These are solely my views on the question/answer- yours may differ, but I don't see either as wrong or write, only opinion.
Sorry, but the very definition of God (or even "god/gods") indicates that God is the entity worthy of being worshipped. I personally ain't gonna worship any human being, no matter how great they may think they are. And neither do I want to be worshipped like a god or God. You may think God worships you, but I bet you have a hard lesson coming! lol God is Love, yes, but He is also the Creator, the only Being worthy of being worshipped.
The only "piece of God" that's worthy of worship was/is/will be Jesus the Christ. HE was divine. Not the rest of mankind.
No hmmm about it.
Jesus's body was human, yes. But the Book of John in the Holy Bible tells us that Jesus was God in a fleshly body. He was perfect and sinless. No one else is. Christians don't worship Jesus's body. We worship Him in the three manifestations He revealed---Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. All One, with distinct but inseparable manifestations for our spiritual benefit.
If he was sinless he wouldnt have been crucified. Doesnt the bible say something about following the laws of the land.........?
OK, so sinless people are worthy of worship?
There are no sinless people. So the point is moot.
Of course there are sinless people. How the hell can a baby be sinful?
And jesus did break the laws of the land which is a sin according to the bible. That is why he was crucified. No amount of you denying it will make it true.
I stand corrected on that one point---yes, babies are sinless. I was thinking along the lines of adults and thought everyone else was too.
Jesus, being God, knew that His laws were far above man's laws when it came down to the nitty-gritty.
Yes, and his law being that you should follow the laws of the land is bove all others right?
So you should follow the laws of the land?
I dont think you even noticed how ridiculous this argument is. You are arguing that jesus wasn't a sinner.
He created the laws. Why would he create laws he knew he would break himself?
Dear oh dear, more inconsistencies. Jesus created a law to follow the laws of the land and he broke it himself. Talk about leading by example.
Don't you think it's odd how easy it is for me to find more and more flaws with the bible?
One would think such a great book would be indisputable right? The bible is nonsense after nonsense. There is nothing in that book that does not raise further questions or contradict itself.
I cannot possibly place any trust in such a book.
That's understandable actually. Aside from the totally direct statements like Genesis 1:1 and John 3: 16, etc. (which are, however, many!), I don't expect an unbeliever to understand all the Bible's concepts or words. It takes Holy Spirit inspiration to understand some of it.
Such as what? Give us some examples of what nonbelievers don't understand in the Bible?
Ill be honest and tell you what it takes to believe the bible (and I say this from experience of many theists including my mum who used to be a nun (dont laugh)).
It takes faith, and that means if you cant understand something, stop thinking about it and assume that it is fine but you just dont understand it.
Did you know in Islam, it is considered wrong to question the faith? My muslim friend got thrown out of a mosque for questionning the imam's (like priests).
There's a reason for that. It is because there are no answers. I see the same thing from christians. "Dont question gods ways" is very common and noone seems to think it odd that it is wrong to use your brain that god gave you to question something you dont understand.
It is not a matter of you understanding and me not understanding. It is a matter of you ignoring those discrepancies and assuming that everything is aok.
I don't hold to the idea that we should never question God. I just believe that we should never shake our fists at Him. And He has, and will, answer us! He answers the question(s) in the Bible, and the Holy Spirit confirms that.
I just know we should have that thing you're talking about---Faith. And that idea that we can trust Him is illustrated in the Bible. Because if we really understand who and what God is, we will understand that His authority supercedes all things. And if we understand that He is Love, we will know that He has proven His love for us, time after time. In particular, the Cross proved it.
So, yes, why shouldn't we be able to believe? We have a choice.
Hey, that's very interesting about your mum. Did she lose faith in the religion, or lose Faith in God?? If I may ask...
There is no evidence for the holy spirit even existing let alone the holy spirit confirming anything.
That's what I was saying. Just ignore everything and assume that it is all aok. Murdering the whole planet with a global flood is ok, murdering 42 children with 2 bears is ok, ruining jobs life for bet is ok. You dont know why it is ok but you assume that it MUST be ok.
Errrm not really. How is killing something that you can create out of dust and bring back to life whenever you want a sacrifice? Sorry, that doesnt cut it. It makes no sense whatsoever. There was no sacrifice. God didnt give up anything. It would be like me sacrificing my child and bringing it back to life 3 days later. There is no sacrifice.
How is it a choice? Can you choose to make yourself believe in santa? I bet you cant. I know I cant. I dont have that choice. I can only believe in what is believable. I dont choose what is believable.
She just said she thought it wasn't for her. She was a nun in Rome of all places. She still believes in god but I guess she cant be all that sure since she left the convent......
Santa's not the Creator of the universe. That's a huge difference. And all it would take to disprove Santa would be to stay awake all night and watch the chimney! lol. The subject of God is much deeper than that.
Right so santa cant come down everyones chimneys in one night but god can be everywhere at the same time, watching and listening to everyone.
I dont see any difference.
Yes, and his law being that you should follow the laws of the land is above all others right?
So you should follow the laws of the land?
Matthew 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
The laws of the land are to be obeyed but NOT when they contradict Gods laws.
He created the laws. Why would he create laws he knew he would break himself?
Pure inference. The only sacrifice that would be acceptable is an unblemished lamb (healthy and whole). Therefore it is completely logical from a christian point of view to be of the opinion that Jesus never did sin.
Don't you think it's odd how easy it is for me to find more and more flaws with the bible?
does quarter wit ring a bell with you?
I cannot possibly place any trust in such a book.
And so therefore your own flawed thinking does not fit into the equation because you are correct and everyone else both past and present are wrong. lol.. now that is funny.
There's a reason for that.
but not the one you give
It is because there are no answers.
tons of answers
I see the same thing from christians. "Don't question gods ways"
When God told joshua to march around the walls of jericho for 7 days and then make a loud noise, did this make sense to the Generals and strategists in joshuas army. Did they understand this. NO. Understanding why God is doing something is not important. To know that God says to do something, like the example above, is paramount and then once you do hear from God - like abraham when at age 87 he was told his seed would number the stars and at age 100 isaac was born (during this 13yr period do you think Abraham understood why 13yrs was passing by? And as he got older do you think God promise became easier to understand)? But he had faith and guess what - it all worked out just as God had said... So whats wrong with not questioning Gods ways again?
is very common and no one seems to think it odd that it is wrong to use your brain that god gave you to question something you don't understand.
More inference. God gave us a brain to use. Unsaved people think carnally and try to figure things out according to their ideas of how things should happen. Christians use their brains of course, but when God says something the christian brain says, okay and that's pretty much that. Its much less stressful to just know God is gonna work things out according to his plan and not waste a bunch of time and energy trying to understand how those walls are gonna fall just by marching around them.
And jesus did break the laws of the land which is a sin according to the bible. That is why he was crucified. No amount of you denying it will make it true.
Heres the whole story on Jesus final trial
John 18:29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?
John 18:30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.
They were not clear on what the charges were, they just wanted Jesus killed on their words alone without evidence, so no breaking of civic rules could have happened otherwise they would have had an easier time getting a guilty verdict - which they did not get.
John 18:31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
John 18:32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
John 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
John 18:34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
John 18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
Again, there were no charges, so breaking the law is not in question.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, You say that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth hears my voice.
John 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
He finds no fault in him at all. Again Jesus did not break any laws
John 18:39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
John 18:40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
This is what determined Jesus death. A passover rule, an angry mob but certainly not Jesus breaking any laws that do not contradict gods laws
In the book of Daniel we have a law passed by nebuchadnezzar that all should worship his golden image
Daniel 3:4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,
Daniel 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, ..., dulcimer, and all kinds of music, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
but they did not:
Daniel 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Daniel 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Daniel 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Here is a perfect example of
Giving to nebuchadnezzar what is nebuchadnezzars but to God what is Gods.
Of course there are sinless people. How the hell can a baby be sinful?
A baby cannot be sinful but as it grows up, it can become sinful. And this is the point of being a sinner. As each person grows up they at some point commit sin(s) the older they are the more definite the reality of committing sin.
Well if we're all admitting what we are then I am the grand wizard of nincompoops
In this you are your most accurate
How are you so sure? Jesus said he was. People believed him. Maybe there will be another sinless person soon.
I agree, no one else is. Odd though, the sinless are always first with the Judgements.
That would mean Jesus was not a human, hence he couldn't die if he was just in a fleshly body. If he couldn't die, what's all the fuss about then?
Dont bad mounth jesus he sacrificed himself to himself to pay for the sins that he decided were wrong and saved us fom the punishment that he himself put upon us.
Oh and after he sacrificed himself he brought himself back to life again. Wow. What a sacrifice.
You know, I think it is some deep-seeded personality flaw of mine that when I see someone who assumes that they know all the answers, I assume that they are lacking vital information somewhere.
I also think that they are missing so many answers by never questioning what they think they know.
*shrugs* that's just me.
My original point stands, having read some of the teachings of the Jainism, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths, they really are a more peaceful, loving religion. Christianity and Islam really are more violent and bloody.
I question that sometimes and I wonder why more people don't. I don't understand the need to turn God into a scornful, abusive father-figure and I don't understand why an afterlife under that kind of care is so attractive.
For those who do think of God as peaceful and loving, then why so much disdain for religions where the emphasis is on that vision?
I also don't understand a religion/God that wishes his followers to be uneducated. I would think that God would want us to study all religions and understand all people. *shrugs* But no one ever answers these types of questions except atheists... and then the answer is akin to "because the religious are idiots"... failing any other input to the question, I am increasingly being forced to agree with them.
I don't understand the need to turn God into a scornful, abusive father-figure and I don't understand why an afterlife under that kind of care is so attractive.
Nobody turned God into that. This is just human perception gone awry. We have to understand the passion of Gods love as per john 3:16 and looking at the OT we need to understand the times and the nations, all expert in war, surrounding, enslaved Israel who were not expert in war.
We need to look at the demise of the Early Church which was false doctrine and we need to know that a loving parent sees dangers far off in the distance and will do everything to protect their child(ren).
People who read the OT as a tome of hate are really just reading through ignorant eyes.
Jainism, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths, they really are a more peaceful, loving religion.
That may seem quite true but doesn't that strike you as odd? I mean if something were made up, it would want to, of itself be pleasing, relaxing to the soul. It would be very careful not to have controversial elements that could be construed as alarming or embarassing, but, Truth can only be what truth is and that is truth.
We need to realize that the afterlife is forever and that forever is a really long time and we need to know that all decisions are final. Once God makes decisions about the afterlife these decisions are permanent, so therefore these decisions cannot be made without a high degree of seriousness and even a very high bar to attain to. God is making decisions about who lives with him and like you and I there are prerequisites.
Its the controversy that gives the bible a hint of reality to it and then when mixed with other persuasive evidence - its just all round believable.
I also don't understand a religion/God that wishes his followers to be uneducated
There are many answers to this: none of them amount to uneducated, just because christians don't open all the books in the world and become brainiacs is irrelevant. I mean do the scientific, overly smart, worldly, rich or famous pick Christianity? the meek and humble and people who are not high up, these are clay pots God can mold - not those who know it all.
1) why bother, the info about other religions is only good for debating those who are of those other religions.
2) the bible is big enough without adding heaps of other reading material.
3) There is a time for everything. Some people can be taken in with the easier gods. Look around at the smorgasbord of wrong and stupid spiritual beliefs there are. People are making up their own jesus' but is that the jesus of the bible? No. Many sources blur the picture. Some people have adopted the book of enoch and thereby have this huge angelology which is not supported by scripture and to make this even funnier (sarcasm) the book of enoch was not even written by enoch, the very first words are a lie, yet people lap it up.
4) Understanding people is not a prerequisite of christianity. It helps to know how to talk to them but we need not be psychiatrists.
What do you mean what is the religion of God? God is a spirit, if
you don't believe in God you will meet him when you die. The bible says after death is the judgement and we all will face judgement. Enjoy your earth because it is all vanity like smoke, like dust, like air. May God grant you the blessing of wisdom.
I dont think it is acceptable that you should claim the bible as truth without evidence. In fact I find it insulting.
How do you know god is real? How do you know anyone will meet him after death? How do you know there is anything after death?
I find it insulting for you to claim that God is not real, I find it insulting to believe that we came on this earth to eat drink and die. I know God is real because i have a relation ship with him. If i Show you a colorful picture in the darkness would you see it? I don't think so, you would not understand me having a relationship with God because you don't believe, its like darkness you can't see unless the light is switch on. I don't know what evidence are you requesting because we are all evidence of God's creation. We are spirit living in the body, the body is like home to our spirit. We are not God, if we were, you would have known how to stop death, but we can't we all know who has the key to life and death. How can you not believe because you haven't seen. If i tell you that the key to you car is in a box, would you go check the box first to see if the key is in it or you would just assume that the key could never be in a box? You answer for your last question how do you know there is anything after death? I rather die believing in God than having no belief at all. I believe we all have life experiences to tell a story because our story can have so positive effect on someone going through a similar circumstances, what if we did not have history to look back on what happen in the past, how would we as people learn or gain knowledge and wisdom, The bible is one of the oldest history book in the world, it a book of truth for believers, you can choose not to believe it that is your choice but you should not expect apology for some one who has chosen to walk in the light of God's word. Thanks for your comment. cheers!!
I find it remarkable that someone can think so highly of themselves as to be righteously insulted when someone doesn't believe the same way as them. I may like to argue but I've never found the need for the whole world to think exactly as I do. If you were Jesus, I can see a personal insult, but alas, you are not.
think you're being rather harsh on Heather aren't you Melissa. I've been reading posts by Jesuswasahippy for some months now and in comparison he/she comes over as far and above as someone who "thinks so highly of themselves" and he/she often feigns righteous insult in responses to comments by those of faith.
I think Heather was being reactionary to JWaH, but that is exactly what he/she was trying to achieve.
I've already had words with JWAH... It was in a different thread. I usually only give my opinion on someone once or twice .
I could never ever compare my self with Jesus he is righteous and holy. I'm a sinner save by grace. I'm a retch.. You have all right of opinion but comparing me with a holy and righteous savior is just too much. Too much my dear. I not even worthy of him.
Such low self esteem. sigh....
This is another of those things I hate about christianity.
SIN is a CONCEPT that can only exist if a god exists. There is no evidence for a god and therefore SIN is but a CONCEPT. It is not proven to be real.
Thus your belief that you are a retched sinner is self detrimental and completely unecessary.
It sickens me that such beliefs can lead people to such derogatory views of themselves.
Right and wrong are subjective. If YOU think that you are doing the right things then you ARE righteous.
If reality does not show gods existing and shows we are here to eat, drink and die, then you are insulted by reality.
Why do you have a relationship and others do not? Do you believe you are special over and above others?
That makes no sense. The only difference is that you want to believe you are having a relationship with God so you pretend to have one.
No, we're not evidence of gods, we are evidence of nature and evolution.
Spirits have not been shown to exist so your claim is false.
Again, your examples makes no sense.
Which means God is something you want to believe as opposed to what is real.
The Bible is not a history book, but there are historical documents that do tell us what happened in the past. Just because the Bible is an old book doesn't mean it's true, it just means it's old, medieval thinking about myths and superstitions.
The bible is a holy book and its content are historical truth of the pass. What do you mean is not a history book. What is it then? maybe a newspaper...
LOL! That's quite funny.
The Bible is a book of parables/stories based on myths, kind of like Aesops Fables. Did you not know that?
Who told you all this trash?
Have you done NO research?
Now THAT'S funny!!
The Bible.
I tried contacting God, Jesus, Satan and all the other ghosts and goblins mentioned in the Bible for an interview, but they don't seem to be returning my calls.
Unfortunately, the Bible is all there is left to stand on its own.
With an answer like that, I'm more convinced than before, that you have not read it at all.
I suppose there is no reason to expect that you ever will. Your chosen ignorance has truly blinded you.
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Lame answer. Just because I see the Bible as a book of parables and mythical stories while you see it as iron clad truth does not mean either one of us has not read it. It also means you're unable to explain the differences.
I have chosen nothing at all, the Bible has shown me what it is and I am taking it at face value.
I am not "choosing" to believe it is iron clad truth, as you have.
Please! Explain to me the difference!
Since I am accused of ignorance, and not wanting to learn, here's your chance!
Please feel free to use examples to illustrate the difference. TY
Have you never heard of the Parable of the Prodigal Son, Parable of the Good Samaritan, Parable of the Leaven, Parable of the Friend at Night, etc. etc. ??
I have!
But that was not the discussion at hand.
You accused me of not knowing the difference.
I asked you to explain. A list of parables is NOT an explanation (of the differences).
Try again, please!
Let's get this straight, I said the Bible was a book of parables and you said that was trash talk. Then, I went on to list some of the parables.
That indeed was the discussion at hand if you look back.
Not exactly correct! You ACTUALLY said it was a book of myths and parables. Don't lie about your own words, please!
Can you read?
Do you comprehend what you read?
If I posed the above question to a class, and one of the students gave me the answer you just did, I'd FAIL them, for not answering the question.
Let me restate the key sentence for you
"A list of parables is NOT an explanation (of the differences)."
Sure, there are plenty of myths in the Bible; gods, angels, demons, etc. are all myths that you believe are entirely real. You are unable to distinguish myth from reality, ie. the difference.
Coming from you?
God of course has no religion. Religion is man's creation. Man is God's creation. God is sufficient to Himself.
I have numbers after it but I didn't want to post the full name on here. There seems to be an unscrupulous fellow that would buy an Xbox solely for the purpose of recruiting me.
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