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   mischeviousmeposted 12 years ago

   Am I ignorant by choosing another way? Or am I ignorant because I don't see it your way? If anyone can answer these questions honestly and without prejudice, then I'll give them points for being polite.

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      pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You are normal.

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      LookingForWaldenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You only become ignorant for denying the existence of another way or immediately dismissing it without exploring what it has to offer.
      From what I've read by you I would say you are in no danger of being called ignorant in this context.

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If you know that  everything  must have their roots in nothing, then it is expected that knowledge must originate from ig orance.
      
      So one is his ignorance will choose a way and call it his ...when he finds other along that way it gives him confidence.
      
      Now  ignorance and knowledge appears the same to the ignorant but is different as light and dark to knowledge.
      
      So when one realises he is knowledge he will choose another way but then that way will be the way indeed. but it still remains his own way even when others are along that path.
      
      So One must continue along the ignorant path and even that path is his ...until he sees the Light and he is no longer ignorant but Knowledge.
      
      Now he will choose another way wwhich is merely a continuation of His own way, But it is different from his previous path.
      
      For the light is the light of Truth and it is you.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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         mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Look at it this way. It has been my experience in the past, that some religious individuals, will deny that one is enlightened, until he/she joins their way of thinking or their sect of religion. One does not have to be religious, in fact most truly enlightened beings are not religious at all. They might have started out that way, but just like Budha (who was raised Hindu) and Jesus (who was raised Jewish) pretty much renounced their respective religions, yet people follow them.
         
            It is my contention, that they never intended to impart any religion to their followers, they were simply attempting to lead others into enlightenment. They were trying to get people to think for themselves. I feel I should think for myself and yes, I have been religious in the past, I have just found my own path. You either see it my way or you don't, it doesn't matter. For the religious it does matter, because "look another heathen" and they say "Oh God, we can't let him/her think for themselves, we've got to make them think the way we do before it's to late and there are more individuals".
         
           That's how I feel about it. I hope I am not insulting anyone, it is just how I feel and that is all.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, information, or education.  If you are aware of the fact that you do not know all that there is to be known then you accept that all human beings are ignorant to an extent.
      
      If you are seeking knowledge, information, and education then you are far from being ignorant.
      
      An ignorant person does not accept the fact that he/she lacks knowledge, information, and education.  This to me is true ignorance.
      
      Since you are questioning things then I would not call you ignorant.

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      jacharlessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is erroneous, to the greatest prefecture, to consider "ignorance".
      The sheer instance of recognizing a quest, nullifies the instance.
      
      It is not necessary to consider the question, nor its opposition -its ha-satan, so to speak; the quid pro quo, parallels, that make up "Need To Know" Syndication.
      
      "We are not wise because we are fools; we are not fools because we are enlightened.
      
      impasse eternium
      
      Forgive my slap on the wrist, but for someone of such [a] discipline, you appear strangely conflicted. I will not ask 'why' you are compelled with such an affliction, such a dis-ease or disease, but will ask: what lends you to even entertain the notion of the slightest imperfection of your being...
      
      If nothing else is foolish, if ignorance even exists, that in itself is it.
      
      James

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      The Stages Of MEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Ignorance I suppose we are all ignorant to some degree depending on situation and or understanding.  To not have experienced a situation or to have been opened to the knowledge of its existence places me in a state of ignorance.  In the same vein though you are wonderfully made and have been designed specific to the creators specifications.  I am not to ever judge for there but by the grace of God am I not in the seat of judgement in any given circumstance.  I will truly attempt to treat others as images of God and to treat someone poorly do to my lack of understanding or agreement places me in that seat of judgement automatically. ~ Peace

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would have to say that you would be ignorant by your need to ask us that question.

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      prettydarkhorseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      peaceful coexistence, not being ignorant but perhaps lack of respect for others wants, decisions etc

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Every human being on the planet is ignorant in some capacity or another.
   
   But, to answer your questions- (a) Am I ignorant by choosing another way? I would say that you lack understanding of your life since you seem to be choosing a "spiritual" path, which happens to be a mystics mentality. And (b) Or am I ignorant because I don't see it your way? You don't need to see things MY way, but understanding your own life is the only true way you can be a benefit to humanity as an individual.
   
   "MY" way is brought on by an understanding of life achieved through knowledge(including experience) and wisdom(discerned truth, which is universal for all humanity). I've reached an understanding that yes all questions have answers, but not all questions "need" be answered and at times the truth remains that certain questions have no need to be answered is the actual answer.
   
   So, you decide for yourself. If you see yourself as ignorant, then half the battle is already over.

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm 34 years old, which means I have a long way to go before I have a working thesis. I know I'm ignorant, but by being human, I also have tools with which to learn. Such as questions and my own feelings.

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         Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I'm 43 years old and I just explained mine pretty much. However, I have more hubs that are in greater detail.
         
         From what I've gathered through knowledge(including experience) and wisdom(discerned truth), I have laid out the underlying standard and meaning of what it means to be human, so people are able to read and comprehend all of it.
         Good, don't stop learning. The more you learn(gain knowledge including experience), then the less ignorant you will become, as well as, you'll also gain a new clarity for everything newly learned because it's just one piece to a larger puzzle of understanding life(your own).
         Understanding your emotions? Is just that, understanding of emotions. All emotions are the same for all, each are labeled and felt. As to questions? I'm positive you'll always have questions, but when you reach the clarity in understanding your own life, you will realize what I said above about questions is actual wisdom(discerned truth).

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            mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            This a challenge I put fourth earlier. It's akin to that of a Zen practice. Though I am not a Budhist, just so preconcieved notions don't wiggle their way in.
            
            Try to feel your mind or your brain if you choose. The result should be stillness. All of your senses will turn on because you are not trying to use them. This is what they meant when they said "Be still".
            
              Still the mind and let the world do what it does. All things come from nothingness; all thoughts, all feelings. But feelings are more than that. They are how we interperate the world. We really don't see or hear anything, actually, we feel with those organs.
            
               By this I mean, they are connected to clusters of nerves and they conjure a response, much in the same way we feel with our fingers and skin. I feel the way I do and it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Nor does it mean I'm right for that matter.

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               Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I am fully conscious of my mind. If you attempt to feel your brain from inside you will be unable to do so because your own awareness gets in the way and there's no way around it. Even in meditation, it's a fool's errand to completely clear your mind, just for the pure and simple fact that in order for you to clear your mind, you must focus on doing it, which still puts the thoughts in your mind about clearing your mind.
               There cannot be stillness of the mind. It's not meant to be still, which is why people dream and during conscious hours the imagination runs wild even when they don't want it to.
               All my senses are turned on. They are constantly running, including the subconscious which is the most active part of the mind and brain.
               The first part as I just explained isn't achievable. Secondly the world is going to do what it does regardless of what I do. So what's the point?
               BS. Nothing comes from nothingness. All thoughts come from the sub-conscious and a consciously active mind. All feelings are automatic, instinctive/reactionary. Feelings come from something also, not nothingness.
               And where in the world did you learn this? Sounds like you're reading too much mystic thinking philosophies, which are meaningless.
               Well, you're either right or wrong. And, from what I've learned you're not right. However, I can tell you one thing, when you truly learn to love yourself, then your feelings for each and every single person presently living and having died, so humanity can continue to live on, will touch you deep in your heart and there's nothing like it in the world.
               
               So, I guess I'll ask you one question- Do you love yourself? And, if you say yes, then my follow up question- Would you give up your life for a complete stranger?
               
               How you answer those two questions will determine where you are in your life and you understanding of said life.

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                  mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess it depends on the stranger. This is written language, so the subtle nuances in spoken language are lost. If I amuse you than I have done my job.
                  
                  Meditation is a daily undertaking and one will never feel their mind in a day. But this is not what I mean by feel. What I mean is, be yourself truly. You don't need anyone's help, but that does not mean that their experience is meaningless.
                  
                     If I cut myself, do you feel it? No. You can't, it's impossible. I posted this not to argue, but to state how "I" feel about it. I know nothing, but I do feel a certain way and to me, it's absolutely right.

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                     Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Then you don't truly love yourself. Btw- you didn't answer that question.
                     Amuse me? No, you don't amuse me.
                     I am myself. I cannot be anyone else and I've accepted my faults, just as I accept you and your faults. Why? Because, I love you, just like I love myself and I would be willing to give up my life in exchange for yours if need be.
                     I didn't say their experiences were meaningless. I said mystic thinking philosophies are meaningless.
                     And, you're completely dismissing the fact that you could have absolutely deceived yourself, considering you don't love yourself.
                     
                     Good day. I done with you. It's apparent that you prefer to live by mystic thinking than anything else, especially rational thinking. Good luck learning to love yourself.

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                        mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Fools believe they are wise, yet fools can become wise. The wise can become fools. The wise are people that believe they are fools and so on. You presume to know me and this is foolish.
                        
                          I do not believe in God, though I do feel there is one. I don't think, I feel. Thinking is therefor, another device of the foolish. To think therefor I am is a primitive statement, but there are still great thinkers. I never presumed to know you nor do I care to. I was, as I stated before, looking for polite and unbiased answers. All presumptions must be left at the door, so to speak.

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                           Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Fools cannot become wise, because once a fool has greater knowledge(including experience) then they are no longer fools. I don't presume to know you and you jumping to the assumption that I do is what's foolish. I'm simply going by your words. Your words(are actions) which reveal what knowledge(including experience) and wisdom, you supposedly possess.
                           Good for you. It's nice to see you attribute something you're unable to identify to feelings.
                           And, this would be a problem for you, just unknown to you.
                           Unbiased answers? You're funny, considering you're calling those who think foolish.

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                              mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I was not trying to insult you, I was using an old saying to point something out. Thinking is dangerous especially when it involves not paying attention to the question at hand. I didn't ask the question to start a debate, which is the assumption. This is where the foolishness comes in. We are a confederacy of dunces and are all fools. We are fools because we are wise and we are fools because we think we are wise. To deny that we are wise is one of many paths to enlightenment.
                                 The other foolish thing was to point out that my beliefs are foolish, when I stated before that they are just beliefs and or "my" feelings on the subject. So yes, in this matter, you are being foolish. Don't take me wrong though, I am not calling you a fool, I am merely pointing out how it would appear to me as I see it.

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                                 LookingForWaldenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Im just curious why you keep writing with chiastic structure in all your posts?
                                 
                                 Is it to feel more enlightened or Buddhist or something?

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                                    mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I'm a bit loony and at times, I like to philosophize. Plus it burns time in between my jobs and what not.

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   arksysposted 12 years ago

   you are not ignorant ... you have a veil in front of your eyes obstructing your vision, therefore you might not be able to see what i see and similarly i might not be able to see what you can see with a different kind of veil over my eyes.

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      SanXuaryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would rather be ignorant then guilty of knowing the truth and despising it. When there is no penalty for learning something and attempting to find the answer then there is no reason to not explore it. Unfortunately, there are many people who believe that you must embrace their ideas and meet their requirements to be a part of their establishment. It does not matter what establishment it is and even if you have a better idea or even a challenging question you may face condemnation. The free thinker never condemns and understands that free will entitles you to your own journey and personal relationship and does not require the club membership of those who do not. The quest in Heaven influences your decisions on Earth but Earthly things are a make smoke screen to such purposes. If you can not find purpose in Heaven first you can not see Heaven or its purpose. No one on Earth can take you there and no Judgement by them can influence your personal relationship between you and God and your own journey towards spiritual maturity and growth.

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         arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree ... it is a personal relationship between you and God and in most cases the establishment is not the problem, but the people in the establishments create the problems. I've been frowned upon a number of times when i challenge my establishment or practices which are more a part of culture rather than the requirements of the establishment.

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   skyfireposted 12 years ago

   
   
   Remember God loves you.

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   Druid Dudeposted 12 years ago

   WE are ignorant because we are human beings. We all have our epiphanies, and our blindnesses. None of us knows anything for sure. We are all right, and we are all wrong. We have all been made wise, and we are all deceived.

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      mischeviousmeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That's the closest thing to what I've been saying all along. I wish more people would think the same way or at least consider it. I'm not trying to change anybody's opinion, I just want for people to be a little more open minded is all.

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