Hub Score Issues

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   gpower2posted 16 years ago

   I have a hub about cell phones that generally has a hub score between 92 to 95. This evening it has been fluctuating between 2 and 5! Is there a bug in the system? Any ideas?

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      thefluffanuttaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I had a look at your hub (on fixing phones?) and it looks like a good one. I searched Google, and it appears to rank highly and I couldn't see any other web pages like it. The your hubscore does indeed look undeserved.

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   Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

   My scores have been fluctuating a lot lately too.  I think it might be because they reconfigured the scoring stuff.

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   Morgan Hamiltonposted 16 years ago

   Mine went from 99 to 27 in one day and I didn't make any changes to it.

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   patswaldposted 16 years ago

   me too, i want my hubs to get popular. any ideas out there?

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   gpower2posted 16 years ago

   I am still having issues with the same hub. It has been scored at a 1 or 2 all day long. Again this hub usually has a hub score between 92 and 95. What is going on? Is it something that I can remedy?

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   thefluffanuttaposted 16 years ago

   Me too - my Harry Potter hub plummeted from 90 something to 20 something on the Eve of the release. At the same time, its traffic went from a measly 30 visits a day to 700! Is this the reward we get for making HubPages successful?

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   pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

   Both of these hubs have been penalized for duplicate content.  This is a relatively new component of HubScore -- we're still working to refine how we detect duplicates and apply the HubScore penalty.  In some cases, we've noticed the penalties are not always in proportion to the level of duplication.  In addition, quoted content is particularly difficult to deal with, since the duplication level may be high but it is perfectly legitimate to use quotations.

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   gpower2posted 16 years ago

   I have duplicated my own original content as I have a lens on Squidoo that I wrote first. I can understand being penalized a few points, but over 90?! This doesn't seem right. Let me know what I can do.

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   Jason Menayanposted 16 years ago

   gpower2 -
   
   You have a right to publish content that you own on HubPages, even if it has already been published somewhere else. However, we will not reward that kind of content as much as original, fresh content posted solely on HubPages. Our duplicate checker is an automated process that rewards unique content over that which is copied from somewhere else.
   
   If you'd like to have a higher HubScore, you should author completely new, fresh content. That will avoid the duplicate penalty.
   
   - Jason

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    Morgan Hamiltonposted 16 years ago

    Jason,
    
    Please take a look at my Hub and tell me why my score went from 99 to 27. All of the content on that site, outside of the RSS, News and You Tube modules, has been written by me. You will not find it anywhere else on the Internet. It has not been copied, scraped or used on any other sites.
    
    It is all original content written for and appearing only on this Hub. Unless maybe someone has lifted my content and is using it on their site (that's happened to me before).
    
    Does your algorithm allow for news, You Tube, RSS feeds, etc... or does it see those as duplicate content?

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    Jason Menayanposted 16 years ago

    Morgan -
    
    You have a high number of links to the same URL and/or domain, which suggests the page was created to drive traffic and/or PageRank to another site. That's a bit exploitative of HubPages's high value. We will not reward that kind of behavior, when plenty of other Hubbers are clearly able to provide useful information without making such an obvious attempt to siphon traffic to another site.
    
    In fact, you'll notice your other Hub has a significantly higher HubScore, and it doesn't have those links.
    
    - Jason

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    gpower2posted 16 years ago

    Jason,
    
    Thank you for your help. I will address these issues and get my score back up.
    
    Regards,

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    Hey everyone! Since Robin is home taking care of a sick daughter today, I did the hangout instead. It was lovely to see some of you!
    
    The biggest thing we discussed in the Hangout was use of the Google Keyword Tool. If you'd like to consider how you'll be making your own search-friendly titles next month a bit early, stop by our Learning Center guide on using the Google Keyword Tool.
    
    That's it!

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    Maddie Ruudposted 16 years ago

    My hub on Kevin Trudeau, which has consistantly been one of my top performing hubs, and continues to rake in traffic, has suddenly gone from 99 to 45.  What's up with that?  I have not published it anywhere else... and I have good outside links... what's up?

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    Maddie, Jimmy, et al.  We are still refining the duplicate content detection process.   If you have hubs where all or part of the content appears on other sites you will probably see your hub scores fluctuate a bit over the next week while we hone in on what works.  It is inevitable that some hubs will be penalized that should not and some hubs that should be penalized will slip through.  We're going to do our best to minimize these mistakes when all is said and done.

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    SunSevenposted 16 years ago

    One Hub of mine on Beckams' pictures which was on 90s, is on 0 now, despite being the first here to post it. One was restored to the earlier score, after hitting 0. And I lost 2 points on my Hubscore. I hope you will sort these issues soon.

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    SunSeven it doesn't appear that the text content in the Beckham hub is original.  I would suggest revising that first paragraph.

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    SunSevenposted 16 years ago

    Thanks Paul. I guess it did the trick.

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    jimmythejockposted 16 years ago

    thanks Paul i wish you guys luck with this one lol.....jimmy

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    darksideposted 16 years ago

    At what point (HubScore) does the nofollow tags take effect?

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       pauldeedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Currently we apply a nofollow meta tag to hubs with a HubScore below 40, but we may adjust this threshold in the future.
       
       For the uninitiated, basically the nofollow meta tag tells the search engine that we do not vouch for the links on the page.  It does not prevent a page from being indexed, or (to my knowledge) penalize a pages position in the index.
       
       There is some debate in the web master community as to whether a nofollow meta tag (as opposed to adding rel="nofollow" to a link)  prevents the passing of "link juice".   My belief is that, at least for google, it does.

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          thefluffanuttaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I disagree with you, Paul. The meta tag prevents robots from spidering new links, while rel="nofollow" prevents link juice from passed to that URL. Details can be found here on Wikipedia, here on robots.txt and here on Googleblog. There are a whole lot more referrences out there...
          
          So, at the moment, I'm still getting link juice from my Hub with a score of 2. If you're really not convinced, then you should implement both here at HubPages, so that it can't be used for PageRank or new links.

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    greattaidposted 16 years ago

    Hi,
    I am new to this site joined just to day I searching a platform to introduce premusic learning lession is this good to start just let me know by your commets.

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    SunSevenposted 16 years ago

    Welcome to HubPages. I think you can start with any subject you like. There are not many Hubs here on Music lessons. So I think it will be a good start. All the best.

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    SunSevenposted 16 years ago

    I have some unpublished titles which were not published before. I am currently working on them and I intend to publish them soon. Even though the default score is 50 for all the new Hubs, I can see that the Hubscores of these unpublished Hubs are below 40(in some cases). Why is this so and will it also be tagged with a nofollow tag when I finally publish it. Thanks Paul.

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    Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

    I've also noticed that the hubscore of hubs not yet published drop dramatically--that's why I gather all of my information in another forum before creating a hub I wasn't sure if it would affect the score once it was published.

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    Hubscores are recalculated frequently, and the past score has no effect on the new score.  So, I wouldn't worry about low scores on unpublished hubs.  Soon after you publish them they will have a new score assigned.

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    loialposted 16 years ago

    My U.K. Theme Park Hub has fallen from 96 to 17. I have deleted some duplicate content and links....how long will it take for my score to improve?

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    gaylemartposted 16 years ago

    Paul, is it possible to add a dohicky of some kind to let us apply nofollow to outgoing links as we build pages. I always use them on affiliate links on my own sites and I'd be happy to use them here as well.

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       pauldeedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       That's a good idea, we'll throw that into our feature queue.

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    Morgan Hamiltonposted 16 years ago

    Jason or Paul,
    
    Yesterday I asked why my Hub went from a score of 99 (2 days ago) to 27. I explained that ALL the content on my site is fresh, original content that was written specifically for this Hub and does not appear anywhere else on the Internet.
    
    I was told that the reason for the drop was that I had too many links pointing to the same URL. In light of that I have removed all the links from my Hub, yet my score now hovers between 26 and 33.
    
    Why is my Hub being penalized?

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       pauldeedsposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Some of the components of HubScore refresh more slowly than others.  Since it takes considerable resources to scan and analyze the internal content of a hub (when you have to do 30,000+ of them), it can take 48 hours or more for changes to be reflected.  Be patient the score will update.

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    Stacie Naczelnikposted 16 years ago

    Thanks for the answers Paul!

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    I'm basing my belief primarily on this Matt Cutts interview.
    
    http://battellemedia.com/archives/002917.php
    
    
    
    I see in the pages that you linked to affirmation that rel="nofollow" in a link does not pass juice, but they don't say explicitly that the meta tag nofollow does not have the same effect.

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       thefluffanuttaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       You missed off the sentence that immediately preceded the bit you quoted:
       
       
       
       Meanwhile, Wikipedia says:
       
       
       
       This perhaps doesn't really answer the real meaning of the NOFOLLOW meta tag, and there is a lot of confusion and mis-information on the web. It's impossible to prove too. I would err on the side of caution, and stick with the documented effect of rel="nofollow".

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    Morgan Hamiltonposted 16 years ago

    Fair enough Paul... thanks for your speedy response.
    
    One final question:
    
    Does using the RSS and News capsules trigger duplicate content red flags or are they excluded in your algorithm?

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    They are excluded.

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    Angela Harrisposted 16 years ago

    For right now, my individual Hub Page scores have remained pretty steady, maybe dropping a point or two. However, overnight my individual total Hub Score has dropped almost 20 points! And just when I was getting close to that coveted 95+ score.
    
    I don't understand- I've been consistently adding hubs, getting decent amounts of comments, have hubs rated up, and my traffic is higher than it's ever been. Yesterday I had a hub with traffic that was pretty impressive- the highest traffic day I've ever had for a single Hub.
    
    Why such a dramatic overnight drop? Is it because my Hubs are mostly informational links to other websites?

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    SunSevenposted 16 years ago

    Angela you won't believe it. I brought 300000 hits for one of my hubs. And it is rated below 30 now!!! Can anyone explain it. I was the first to break it here, I mean the news or whatever. I feel hurt. and disappointed. Something isn't right

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    pauldeedsposted 16 years ago

    As I posted a few days ago -- expect to see some fluctuations and some mistakes as we work to refine the duplicate content detection system.
    
    Because you posted a summaries of some of your hubs on several other sites (which is actually a good way to promote them), they got mistakenly snared as duplicate content.  I'm working on a list of sites to exclude from our filter, sites like digg, netscape, plime, etc.
    
    That said, please don't overreact to fluctuations in HubScore.  In the short run HubScore will not effect your traffic or revenue in a significant way -- it only affects the position of your Hub on the Hubpages site, and 2) if your score is below 40 a NOFOLLOW tag will be applied (which only affects the outbound links from your hub).
    
    I'm sorry that these fluctuations have disappointed you, but rest assured we are working to improve the system so that we can increase the reward to those that create high quality original content, such as yourself.

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    Angela Harrisposted 16 years ago

    Oops! I guess I whined too early. (My total Hub Score is back to what it was originally.) Sorry.
    
    SunSeven,
    300,000? Wow, that's incredible. I'm so sorry about the Hub Score. That really is shocking. I hope your hubs recover soon. I really enjoy reading them.

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