Can Pakistan become a civilized country???

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   abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years ago

   According to Google Chairman, The problem of extreme crimes (like acid, or stoning) in poorly policed regions of Pakistan can be mitigated with videos and exposes that shame authorities into prosecution. So whats's your comments.
   http://www.gaibianpost.com/2012/06/paki … oblem.html

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      S Leretsehposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "Can Pakistan become a civilized country"
      
      What is "civilized"?

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         Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well obviously there are countless opportunities to answer your question accurately...
         
         But.... of course we all have different perspectives don't we?
         
         Here's a couple that I found that go together perfectly! 
         
         
         
         
         

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      Atul Patelposted 11 years agoin reply to this

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         Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

           Of course not.... denial is a healthy fallacy!  Empathy is rife among the poor! 
         
         Who should we make the check out to?

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   Pearldiverposted 11 years ago

   From what I have seen and know of some of the issues in your country...
   
   None of them will ever be resolved while the practice of highly conflicted double standards exist and are accepted as appropriate and justifiable!
   
   It is truly shameful how incredibly badly women are treated and controlled by a high percentage of ignorant/arrogant males who offer the world nothing positive. Acid attacks are, in my view the most disgusting, cowardly thing that any pathetic male could do to a female.. the culprits should be given the same opportunity to have their lives and futures destroyed!
   
   Further to the above:
   
   For Pakistan.. Having a factual worldwide reputation for Corruption - tells the world a lot about any place and it's future.. doesn't it? 

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   abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years ago

   I dont think so because every nation has some corrupt people but we will not say that the whole nation is corrupt.

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      Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What I said was valid.... it wasn't intended to be  putdown at all.. merely straight talk.
      
      Sure, I understand that not everyone is corrupt or dishonest, or consider women as being of lower importance or status..   all cultures have flaws..
      
      To rise above such stigma, requires a very special courage and attitude, as doing so, is a positive path towards a greater, wider change.  I hope that you have that courage and share it with your family and friends... all the best.. life really is what you make it... I hope that you make yours count positively! 

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         abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah i agree with you. Any way Thanks for commenting

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   secularist10posted 11 years ago

   Pakistan can certainly join the ranks of the civilized world, and one day it probably will. The problem in Pakistan is the culture. And the culture is of course tightly connected to religion.
   
   Over time, Pakistan will become more civilized if the culture becomes more open to critical thinking; logic and reason; technological innovation; challenging authority figures and traditions; being more concerned with the natural world than the supernatural world; etc.
   
   It may take a long time, but in today's world with advancing technology and rapid communication, it may happen sooner than we think.

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      prettydarkhorseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      ++
      
      Although "uncivilized" is not the way to describe it, perhaps another word.

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         secularist10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you. I decide that "civilized" is a legitimate term to use. We are talking about:
         *throwing acid on someone's face so that their eyes and nose melt like ice;
         *pummeling a person with rocks until they are dead from trauma or blood loss, for a relatively minor crime (adultery);
         *identifying women as the property of their husbands or fathers or brothers (on a par with farm animals);
         *forbidding women from having anything resembling a decent, independent life (no education, no work outside the home);
         *allowing rapists to go free and often dreadfully punishing the victims of rape;
         *viciously persecuting (torturing, killing, raping, etc) not only people of different faiths, but also those who call for tolerance or simply for "not persecuting" them
         
         If this psychotic behavior and these values do not constitute "uncivilized" then I don't know what does.
         
         (It is, however, more precise to speak of specific jurisdictions and subcultures in Pakistan and Afghanistan, rather than Pakistan per se. But many of these excesses are supported and aided by the overall conservative cultural climate of Pakistan.)

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            prettydarkhorseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            just respect for humanity irregardless of gender age, status
            
            Uncivilized is a little bit harsh, it assume that other culture is superior
            
            But I fully understand your point secularist!  

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               secularist10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               And what do you say when a culture does NOT respect humanity regardless of gender, age status? I.e. The Taliban and their ilk in Central and South Asia?
               
               A true respect for humanity means we are not afraid to identify violations of humanity when they occur. A society that oppresses and persecutes people to this psychotic degree must be called for what it is, IF we are serious about a respect for humanity.
               
               "Uncivilized is a little bit harsh"
               
               Well stoning someone to death for a minor offense is a lot harsh.
               
               We have a culture where people are free to pursue peaceful and productive lives. In that culture, people are reduced to animals that are beaten, bullied and tortured by the strong. So yes, one culture is superior to the other.
               
               This is Fakhra Younis, Pakistani acid attack victim who made waves earlier this year after killing herself:
               
               
               
               Read the whole story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/world … wanted=all
               
               She had accused her ex-husband of attacking her. He was eventually acquitted by a Pakistani court. Sadly, this is not an isolated incident in Pakistan.

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                  prettydarkhorseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I know what you are saying but that is one aspect of their culture and it is sad. They breathe, live and born in it. From all of us in the outside world, this is harsh, for them as well. To get away from the said situation it needs a lot of determination and awakening. Some said it will take hundred years, hope not. The people will just say enough is enough one day.
                  
                  I remember myownworld  -  http://myownworld.hubpages.com/  and the beauty of the other side of their  culture. I don't want to call them uncivilized, perhaps another word. http://myownworld.hubpages.com/hub/learning-culture
                  
                  another one http://myownworld.hubpages.com/hub/pakistan-pictures

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                     secularist10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     As I said, it is probably more precise to speak of specific regions and subcultures of Pakistan, than of Pakistan in general.
                     
                     Nevertheless, modern Pakistani culture is very conservative and traditionalist. This underlying conservatism provides a space for the development of extreme conservatism. Many average Pakistanis, not violent themselves, nevertheless apologize for and support the cause of the violent extremists.
                     
                     I looked at My Own World's hub on Pakistani architecture. There is a wealth of great art and architecture across the Islamic civilization (to say nothing of their contributions to civilization in science, medicine, and other fields). She wrote this line in her hub, which sums things up nicely:
                     
                     "Such vibrancy in ancient muslim culture! Wonder what the Taliban have to say about this..."
                     
                     Indeed.
                     
                     1000 years ago, the Islamic world was the most civilized and flourishing on earth. Commerce, science, art and philosophy were highly advanced. Meanwhile, Europe was mired in backwardness, violence and intolerance.
                     
                     Pakistan, like the Islamic world in general, clearly has the potential to rejoin the ranks of the most peaceful, productive cultures, like they were in the past. Hopefully someday they will.
                     
                     But the Taliban and their ilk have no redeeming cultural contributions whatsoever.
                     
                     Indeed, the Taliban outlawed music, art, dance, movies and other cultural mediums. They destroyed centuries-old monuments to Buddha--great works of civilization. They turned soccer stadiums into public execution chambers. I'm not making this stuff up. An Islamist group in Mali recently destroyed ancient Muslim tombs in Timbuktu. Great pieces of human history destroyed.
                     
                     I am not applying the "uncivilized" term to all of the Muslim world, or even all of Pakistan. There are obviously millions of Muslims and Pakistanis that are forward-thinking, tolerant and modern. But Pakistan, and the Muslim world in general, have much higher rates of backwardness and intolerance than other cultures.
                     
                     I maintain it is not unfair to call those who have these backward and violent values uncivilized. If they do not qualify as uncivilized, then no one does.

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         abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Who ever has tell you these types of news is a foolish person. Nothing happened like this in Pakistan. Every country has some poor people & the word you used about religion so if you believe in God you should obey him or if you will not obey the God than what religion is supposed to be.
         
         And Pakistan has world largest coal mines & salt mines. So you must believe than Pakistan can be one of the biggest countries in the world. But nothing can be done if there are corrupt politicians

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            secularist10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I assume you are responding to me.
            
            Evidently you are not aware of what is happening in your own backyard. Your own link references the acid attacks! Are you not aware of the presence of the Taliban and their sympathizers in the northwestern regions of Pakistan?
            
            Pakistanis can choose to continue to blindly "obey" their religion, or they can choose to think more critically and productively, think for themselves instead of letting ancient people and modern authority figures think for them. This is the path that Europeans chose over centuries. A broad reformation in Islam is urgently needed.
            
            Corruption is certainly a major problem. But the roots of Pakistan's pathologies run much deeper than that.

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   iefox5posted 11 years ago

   Pakistan can't become a civilized country because Pakistan is deeply affected by religion. And the affection won't disappear overnight.

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      abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Same answer as above ...

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   Dame Scribeposted 11 years ago

   Pakistan has a long rich history. Learning to balance religion, education, science, and realities can bring them forward. Yes, corruption exists in all nations at some level but not openly which makes them 'criminals' really and probably under covert investigation. As said, life can be what the people make of Pakistan. They can learn by viewing other nations and learn to develop and modify their own rules, laws and regulations.

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      abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah i agree with you that criminals are present in every community. Any way thanks for commenting.

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   lrohnerposted 11 years ago

   If  the acid attacks, stonings and other atrocities women are subjected to over there were due to some supposed deviation from a ridiculous and sexist law, I would call Pakistan uncivilized. But most of the attacks are for something that someone, somewhere at some time simply accused a woman of. In my book, Pakistan would need to work very hard to raise themselves to the level of uncivilized.

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      abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hey I think in America there are also criminals and other person who rape people. SO firstly you must watch your country and then call others uncivilized.
      
      And what america is doing on Afghanistan isn't that uncivilized.

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         lrohnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You misunderstood me. I said that I believe Pakistan would have to work very hard to even rise up to the title "uncivilized." Right now, the way they treat women is barbaric.

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            abdulrehmanahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for clearing me. And we will see soon that Pakistan will also be a developed country

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   Alls Pakistan really needs is a Disneyland. Civilization will surely follow!

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