Where is the point of remembering Sept 11?
If we don't acknowledge the real criminals? If we don't punish Bush and his administration (his closest crime perpetrators Rumsfeld and Cheney)?
Seriously? You're saying Bush is more of a criminal than those that took the lives of thousands of innocent people? I'm no Bush fan, but you can't be serious. Obviously, you're just trying to be controversial.
I'm saying that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld orchestrated Sept11.
Now exactly how did they go about doing that? Bearing in mind of course that George W. Bush was supposed to have been, according to liberals, the stupidest human to ever occupy the White House.
You need to explain all this. Because scientifically it has been proven it happened exactly as it is supposed to have.So far, I don't recall that the president governs on his own. Do you know that he has advisers?
Nope....you ain't doing that.
You specifically single out Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
You actually have no evidence or anything at all do you?
If you do, have them arrested. You can do so.
You appear to be the most righteous among us...or so you believe.
Go for it.
maxoidiot~
You sure picked a great day to disrespect the 3,000+ families that lost their loved ones. Talk about disrespect! I hope you got the few point bump you were looking for. You’re a real jem. At least you did it here like a true coward, so you can report anyone who tells you what you deserve to hear.Contrary to most of you, I never reported anyone! I can defend myself with my knowledge what most of you can't. Since none of you ever sustained a rational argumentation to challenge me! Mostly you are, all, gifted with insults.
You are still just squeezing out balloon juice.
Take us through 9/11 and what happened. Otherwise this is an offensive piece of spam you have foisted on people.If you really were interested the knowledge is out there! Do you want me to give you my hand to lead you? People like you need the daddy figure that Bush endorsed! Not me. I'm curious enough to search for info.
Bring me something to challenge my knowledge! Another image? Ok... Anybody to measure up?
I am sorry if you feel that the Bush/Chenney band of criminals were to blame for the attacks and conspiracy theories but this countries foreign policy has long been controlled by greed and aggression. It started with the indians and continues today. Our CIA and other agencies are involved in overthrowing and marginalizing our enemies of the state ( business) for many years. Just do a search for American backed overthrows of foreign governments and you will see a pattern that has bred more anger and distrust from citizens in foreign countries of our intents and interests. Why were we not involved in Kenya or ran from Somalia or involved in Ryanda. No money interests so Libya and Egypt have oil. Guess who wants a stake?
Harry Truman knew that the US backed creation of Israel would be trouble from the outset and he was right when 911 occurred.
We remember Pearl Harbor, too, and look how long ago that happened. It's one of the very few places where America has been attacked on its own soil, and it started a war (We won't discuss Iraq). It's also the highest death rate resulting from attack on American soil, and most of those were civilians, not even soldiers. The people who weren't strictly considered civilians were fire and police, who came to help.
While I see those as important points for remembrance, I consider the people and their actions, and what that has shown us about how we can act in the face of death to be well worth remembering. The fire and police personnel who willingly went into those buildings deserve to be remembered. They knew there was danger, but they headed up the stairs, while everyone else was headed down.
The people who showed love and goodness when they knew that they were living out their last minutes are very worth remembering. People spent their last minutes leaving messages of love. The people in the plane that crashed in a field and not in a building, as the terrorists intended, took their last minutes to save hundreds of other lives when they knew that there was no hope of their own being saved. There were heroes both on the ground and in the air at every location. There is a great deal to remember and to honor in that event.
To me, remembering the politicians and saying that the fact that they haven't been punished for their venal behavior is missing the point.Coming from the one who is a teacher (with a meager salary) and that will vote for Romney! Same logic, I guess! Your understanding of the reality is quite distorted isn't it?
What does my "meager salary" have to do with it? Now you're saying Romney was responsible for 9/11??
What do you remember of Pearl Harbor that the government let it down while knowing that the Japanese would attack it given that it was the closest military base from Japan? That most of the warships were old therefore acceptable to be sacrificed? What do people know about their own history? Nothing. It is a flagrant exemple! Shame on you!
Are you fucking serious?!?
We don't remember it because of the "criminals." We remember it because of THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES. Innocent people lost their lives. INNOCENT PEOPLE.Exactly, kathleenkat. I totally agree with you.
I'd say a whole lot more but I've already been banned 4 times from this forum.send it to me. Ill say it.
I lost my first cousin Peter Kellerman. For any of you out there, especially the person that opened this thread, when they call his name out tomorrow, please join me in remembering my beautiful cousin taken away from us way too soon, and say a prayer.http://quite-rightly.blogspot.com/2011/ … minum.html
God bless your cousin and all whose lives were viciously sacrificed.
God bless the heroes, too.
My hometown lost 40.
We will NEVER forget.
New Yorkers will never forget.
Americans will never forget.
The world will never forget.My condolences to you wavegirl. I will remember you and your family when the names are called out tomorrow.
I too have much to say but am just back from a three day ban so I will simply say that all those innocents who lost their lives on 9/11 are heroes to me.Do you think that it is decent to still lie to the American people on what happened this day? Do you think that your cousin deserves such a circus from the media that just needs audience? I still remember those people jumping from those windows, it will stay engraved in my brain the rest of my life! Don't you think that they deserve better? They were consciously killed for economical interests and, the culprits are still out there fomenting the next invasion! What did they learn from their criminal actions? That they can reiterate! Which city will be targeted if Romney wins the elections?
USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.
Most of the people that jumped came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices.
Peter worked for Cantor Fitzgerald.
So dont you dare even try telling me that this will stay engraved on your brain for the rest of your life! You have no idea of what it is like to ever have to have a thought if one of the ones that jumped belonged to you. For sure if it did have effect on you,could you,would you be taking time to disrespect the lives that were lost.
So take this post of yours and shove it. Maybe in the next 24 hours you will stop with your conspiracy theories for a moment and use that time in a human and decent manner. It is called Respect. Something maybe you should research and hopefully learn a thing or two about before the next time you go spewing your nonsense around.I'm truly sorry for your loss, and I can only imagine what you must be feeling. To lose a loved one is bad enough, but to have it happen like this is, almost Shakespearean in it's tragedy.
Personally, I was working in the Capitol Building as a junior Legislative Assistant. I was fresh out of college and working for a Congresswoman (who just happened to be my mother).
I have had to deal with more than my fair share of conspiracy theorists since then, and have been deposed as part of three separate FOIA suits. That being said, whether you agree or disagree, people like maxoxam41 are inspiring. Now before anyone get's too excited, let me explain that if I may.
While I personally don't agree with maxoxam41, or his theories, I do respect his opinion, and am grateful to live in a country where he is free to express those opinions. Publicly call the Ayatollah a criminal in Iran, and it's off with your head. Do it in China or Russia, and it's a prison cell for you.
So, as odious as his views may be, especially at this particular time of year, they are an example of the plurality and freedom that America has always stood for, and that the terrorists failed to diminish 11 years ago.
Just my humble opinion.And your humble and wise opinion is always welcomed around here. While I do not find maxoxam41 opinion inspiring and my gut tells me it is not coming from a place other then someone looking to makes waves for attention, I do hear what you are saying.
Yes this is a free country and we are so very lucky to be able to think and say what we think without the fear of being locked up in a place like Evin Prison.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice." ~Robert HanlonBilly Hicks, I don't respect maxoxam41's opinion. Now wavegirl22 and I may have some diametrically opposed opinions. I mean, she is a Jets fan and I'm a Steelers fan and they are playing this Sunday. And her political opinions differ from mine. But I respect her opinion.
I can not, however, respect someone's opinion who spews nonsense like maxoxam41. That's the vanilla version, because like I said, I've been banned 4 times for telling it like it really is. So much for my freedom of speech.As a lifelong Pittsburgh fan (yes, I even support my beloved Pirates), it's hard to argue with a man with such an amazing avatar.
Don't get me wrong, I still feel that these conspiracy theorists are jackasses, and just this side of completely delusional, making sure that they get to spout their insanity is the only way to ensure that I get to spout mine.
I think the best argument for my philosophy is summed up in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9JAbyROUWksometimes amazing things happen when there is open dialogue.
BLACKANDGOLDJACK - had this OP not been open I may not have been lucky enough to have been here with you. You are right, we have differences of opinions in our sports and our politics but one thing I can see here is that I really like you!
I mourn for my cousin today and for all the other lives that were taken. I mourn for the OP who seems to be in need of some spirit. As for your Steelers and My Jets. .. we can take that up in the sports forum where I have a feeling you and I will be hanging out together quite a bit so please dont get banned!I have to agree with wavegirl and blackandgold here. I respect wavegirl's opinions politically, and her right to have them, although we disagree. I cannot respect the opinion of this OP however. It is not coming from any place of respect or truth and is offered simply as propaganda against the US and to inflame others.
@wavegirl I expect your Jets to dismantle those Steelers. I am a Ravens' fan.
And the Ravens Rocked it last night. A true contender . . and glad the Jets dont have to meet up with them in the regular season! I love Flacco!
As for today. . .lets never forget
In Remembrance
September 11, 2001
We Will Never Forget
We shall keep this day, the events and the tears in our memory and our hearts and take them with us as we carry on.
I researched it and everything concludes to the involvement of the government. Now don't you dare tell me that the version of the media of the facts holds more water than mine! Since when the media does tell the truth? And would you be righteous than me? Who do you think you are? You are the only one who has the right to have a thought for them? Where were when it came the moment to punish the real culprits, hidden behind your blind belief? Most of the US oil companies are controlling the Iraqi oil, and you dare opposing a fallacious argumentation? What is it based upon anyway? Nothing, as most of the people intervening to discredit the version of the truth by calling it the conspiracy theory.
It's not your "different ideas" as much as it is blatent disrespect for our dead comrades. You are missing the point as to why people discredit you: You are saying "What is the point of remembering 9/11, if we do not punish the 'real' criminals." Lets pretend you are right: You are telling people they do not have the right to remember since they are not punishing the person who did it. I'm sorry, but when my cat got hit by a car when I was 15 years old, I had no idea whodunnit. I can still fondly remember my cat, and mourn for the loss of my cat, can I not? (I'm sorry, I don't have any examples of mourning the loss of people in this manor, but it stands the same).
I don't think you are correct. If there was outstanding proof available to us, pointing the finger at the Bush administration, then you probably wouldn't be on here trying to convince everybody else that they are wrong. But you have no proof. Stuff you can research on the internet is not proof. The internet, afterall, is another form of this "media" you are trying to dearly to discredit.
People lost their lives. That is point of remembering 9/11. That is not up for dispute.Yes, they don't have the right to remember them if they insult them by believing that it wasn't their government that killed them. And further, if justice was not applied! Once again, who do you think you are? Your argumentation lacks coherence! It is an occasion for you to cry on your own misery!
Then if it is not Bush, logically it was those Arabs, right? Where is the proof?Educate yourself, please. There are no Arabs in Afghanistan, which was the country we occupied after 9/11 as a result of Al Qaeda being there.
You are missing the part where you test your hypothesis. (Unless I suppose you did a repeat test of 9/11, which, pray help us all if that's what your planning.) Without the test, your "science" isn't "scientific" at all. It is speculation.You really make absolutely no sense maxoxam41. I know everyone values free speech on here, but quite frankly, you make me doubt the value of it.
It was proven scientifically. Many witnesses were obliterated from the explanation, why?
No witnesses were obliterated. There were no nifty holograms in the sky. There was no laser like in Men In Black atop the Empire State Building that planted the same information in thousands of witnesses memories. The sheer numbers that would have to be involved to even begin to pull off such a thing would be beyond mind boggling. Further, it still would not work because there were too many witnesses at the scene. Your scenario does not even pass the basic logic test for possibility. There is nothing righteous in your inflammatory remarks. They are self-serving and disrespectful, not to the government, but to those who died and their families.
You researched it? Really? Well then, that's good enough for me.
The FBI, CIA, NSA, ONI, all spent millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours investigating 9/11, the independent world media has spent years doing the same, not to mention Congress and the 9-11 Commission; but maxoxam41 "researched it" and "everything concludes to the involvement of the government".
I know I'll finally be able to sleep soundly again...The FBI, CIA, NSA... Where were they when it happened? Are you relying on them when it will occur again?
The independent media? Who are you referring to? Let see how far you will go?maxoxam41,
As someone who grew up in politics, and who has worked in politics most of my professional life, let me let you in on a little "inside secret" about how things work in Washington: two people couldn't keep a secret in that town to save their f'ing lives.
Any evidence linking the US Government to 9/11 would be, quite simply, the biggest story on the planet, worth BILLIONS in publishing and broadcasting.
While you may not trust in the motives of the Government to discover the truth, you can always, always, count on the media to do anything for ratings/circulation.
Maxostupid~
Care to cite any reliable sources?
Or is the tin foil wrapped too tightly on your head?Plenty of people wrote and debated around the Sept 11 event. It went viral internationally. If you and your kind, really aimed at the truth, you would have found it. I am not here to lead you in your searches. It's been ten years now and you found nothing to corroborate their intervention. Come on, give me a break. It is interesting that outside the US the international community agrees upon their culpability.
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Let's just nip this in the bud now. They were consciously killed by terrorists in planes. Your little conspiracy theories have been debunked time and time again, over and over and over. The little photo shopped pics do not impress me, the videos with their fake time stamps do not impress me either. Karma can be a royal you know what and I know there is a special not so nice place reserved in the After Life for those who choose to continue with such crap and disrespect those that were murdered that day and their families.
Yes, it was.
I cancelled my usual fare of sports programming this morning to watch the activities remembering that day.
My brother worked at the law firm Hill, Betts, & Nash on the 52d floor of the North Tower at the time. No one was killed or seriously injured from his firm, although several were slightly injured by flying glass. He did know some of those who were lost.
We need to think of the name of the award the person who started this thread deserves.
Max you need to go look at a forum thread that has to do with iron microspheres.
Among other things you get a good explanation of what has to occur to produce a controlled detonation on the scale it would have taken on 9/11.
There are people hurting for real reasons. Now unless you can get Dick Cheney back from his moon base go to it and find him.
To answer my original question. Yes, you are fucking serious.
You think it's a joke that people died.
You posted this topic with an agenda to spread hate and discontent. What did you think would happen? We would all see the error of our ways, and kiss your ass? We would all come clean with how 'wrong' we were for the past 11 years?
maxoxam, I truly and honestly believe that the world is not better off with you in it. With the name-calling, hateful messages, and overall blatent disrespect (wavegirl22's dead cousin), I cannot take anything you say seriously. I cannot respect you. If this were my community, you would not be welcome.
I will no longer respond to any of your bullshittery.
Good, it is exactly what I wanted. I don't need people who don't know what the stakes at play are! The world doesn't need people that cry over their "fallen comrades" (how hypocritical!). The world needs critical thinking not media slaves! With you perpetrators will reiterate their infame actions. Enough of giving us lessons without knowledge!
It is a pity that the freedom of speech is not allowed through the ban process. I regret that, you people, won't express yourself because of several bans. I was banned too, I didnot stop expressing myself even if it had to cost me another ban. It is the freedom of speech!
You remember it any way you like, the rest of us don't have to agree.
My problem is when I ask myself, who does the crime benefit to, irremediably the answer bounces on those terrorists (Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney). By classifying me in the conspiracy theorists file denies me any objectivity. I really pity people who live in their fantasy world believing that the US is rosy or close to Dora's world! We forgot our history quickly, if we know it, Vietnam (Eisenhower said that if at that moment the Vietnamese had voted they would have given 80% of their votes to Ho Chi Minh), Nagazaki and Hiroshima and so forth...
Well since it is so obvious why haven't they been indicted, arrested and convicted?
No proof that's why.
There never is because sometimes believe it or not your enemies actually attack you.
On your own soil.
I think you will find it benefited al qaeda most of all.
Lets all take a moment to remember 9/11.
I remember 9/11 because of the shock, the terror, and the loss of lives. The "point" of remembering 9/11 is to honor the dead. Thank you for posting this thread, because now we have a place to come together and remember.
I grew up in New York. Although I did not live there anymore when it happened, it hit a lot closer to home than for many of my peers. I was the only one in the room crying that day. They sent us home from school, they sent my parents home from work. It was very scary, and moving to watch those people jump. I recall a man who had jumped, landed on a priest who was there praying for the people, and killed him.
I remember how it didn't matter whether we were priest, fireman, civilian, democrat or republican. I remember how we all felt that day, regardless of race, color, economic status or political opinion.
That is the "point" of remembering 9/11. I take your silence in this thread as shame. You should be ashamed, and I hope you are. You should be ashamed for tainting the memories our our lost comrades.Tainting their memories or spitting on most of your ignorance! Which researches did you do to prove that it wasn't done by the government? Let me guess! None. And you come here on your horses as the sole and rightful possessor of the "truth"?
Hey Max why don't you just tell us in your own words what happened so we can have a rational discussion of it?
What do you say?If you really were looking for a "rational" explanation, you would have found it without my intervention. I didnot wait for you to make researches.
Ok...meaning you don't have one.
Let me ask you. just how deeply did you already hate GW Bush even before 9/11 happened?I hate idiots. You said it yourself that he was one. But most of all, what must we think about the ones who voted for him because he represented them?
I am kinda curious. Would you have done all that "research" had Bill Clinton still been President?
Or Al Gore?Yes, I would have. Do you think that our presidents are more important to me than the people? So far Republicans and Democrats are the same for me, incompeten!
No I don't. My point being that what conspiracy theories I have seen like this are based on the totally evil Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. You are the first person I have ever put that question to that has answered it in any fashion because the fact is they just simply hate Bush and certainly the Democrat party will do nothing to dissuade anyone from believing he perpetrated it.
Just ask Rosie O'Donnnell. There's an expert for ya.
You are right. I have done zero research to prove that it wasn't the government. I choose, instead, to honor the memory our lost comrades. Taking away from that by telling me there is "no point" in me rembering them is blatent disrespect.
No, there is no point to remember if you don't bring them justice or still believe that Arabs pass through the US detection system undetected, that they drove those planes (at a quasi impossible angle), that our firemen were wrong (while stating that they heard explosions in the building)...
Here you go! Here is your source of "info"! Now I understand! And you DARE opposing me! It would be better that you play the ostrich before I crush with my logic! You see that is what I meant! Pure and simple IGNORANCE!
kathleenkat , that's it, you're my new favorite. lol
That's who I'm dealing with! If you can't sustain an argumentation, please abstain! You are just ridiculing yourself!
This is truly turning into a thread of positive energy. Clearly we all should take a moment and be thankful that we live in a society where we can speak our minds. Yes there are horrific things in this world but as we are proving here the light can shine through...
Let us never forget.
Send me a private message if you can. Ill type the words.
Peter R. Kellerman 35 years old died on September 11, 2001 in the World Trade Center tragedy.
We Will Never Forget.
We shall keep this day, the events and the tears in our memory and our hearts and take them with us as we carry on.We will never forget our fallen comrades. They are WORTH REMEMBERING.
List of World Trade Center Victims (not including plane crews or passengers)
Gordon M. Aamoth, Jr.
Edelmiro Abad
Maria Rose Abad
Andrew Anthony Abate
Vincent Abate
Laurence Christopher Abel
William F. Abrahamson
Richard Anthony Aceto
Jesus Acevedo Rescand
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Rodney James Wotton
William Wren
John Wayne Wright
Neil Robin Wright
Sandra Lee Wright
Jupiter Yambem
Suresh Yanamadala
Matthew David Yarnell
Myrna Yaskulka
Shakila Yasmin
Olabisi Shadie Layeni Yee
William Yemele
Edward P. York
Kevin Patrick York
Raymond R. York
Suzanne Youmans
Barrington Young
Jacqueline Young
Elkin Yuen
Joseph C. Zaccoli
Adel Agayby Zakhary
Arkady Zaltsman
Edwin J. Zambrana, Jr.
Robert Alan Zampieri
Mark Zangrilli
Ira Zaslow
Kenneth Albert Zelman
Abraham J. Zelmanowitz
Martin Morales Zempoaltecatl
Zhe Zeng
Marc Scott Zeplin
Jie Yao Justin Zhao
Ivelin Ziminski
Michael Joseph Zinzi
Charles A. Zion
Julie Lynne Zipper
Salvatore Zisa
Prokopios Paul Zois
Joseph J. Zuccala
Andrew S. Zucker
Igor Zukelman
List of Victims on American Airlines Flight 11
Anna Allison
David Lawrence Angell
Lynn Edwards Angell
Seima Aoyama
Barbara Jean Arestegui
Myra Joy Aronson
Christine Barbuto
Carolyn Beug
Kelly Ann Booms
Carol Marie Bouchard
Robin Lynne Kaplan
Neilie Anne Heffernan Casey
Jeffrey Dwayne Collman
Jeffrey W. Coombs
Tara Kathleen Creamer
Thelma Cuccinello
Patrick Currivan
Brian Paul Dale
David Dimeglio
Donald Americo Ditullio
Alberto Dominguez
Paige Marie Farley-Hackel
Alexander Milan Filipov
Carol Ann Flyzik
Paul J. Friedman
Karleton D.B. Fyfe
Peter Alan Gay
Linda M. George
Edmund Glazer
Lisa Reinhart Gordenstein
Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green
Peter Paul Hashem
Robert Jay Hayes
Edward R. Hennessy, Jr.
John A. Hofer
Cora Hidalgo Holland
John Nicholas Humber, Jr.
Waleed Joseph Iskandar
John Charles Jenkins
Charles Edward Jones
Barbara A. Keating
David P. Kovalcin
Judith Camilla Larocque
Natalie Janis Lasden
Daniel John Lee
Daniel M. Lewin
Sara Elizabeth Low
Susan A. Mackay
Karen Ann Martin
Thomas F. McGuinness, Jr.
Christopher D. Mello
Jeffrey Peter Mladenik
Carlos Alberto Montoya
Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes
Laura Lee Morabito
Mildred Naiman
Laurie Ann Neira
Renee Lucille Newell
Kathleen Ann Nicosia
Jacqueline June Norton
Robert Grant Norton
John Ogonowski
Betty Ann Ong
Jane M. Orth
Thomas Nicholas Pecorelli
Berinthia B. Perkins
Sonia M. Puopolo
David E. Retik
Jean Destrehan Roger
Philip Martin Rosenzweig
Richard Barry Ross
Jessica Leigh Sachs
Rahma Salie
Heather Lee Smith
Dianne Bullis Snyder
Douglas Joel Stone
Xavier Suarez
Madeline Amy Sweeney
Michael Theodoridis
James Anthony Trentini
Mary Barbara Trentini
Pendyala Vamsikrishna
Mary Alice Wahlstrom
Kenneth Waldie
John Joseph Wenckus
Candace Lee Williams
Christopher Rudolph Zarba, Jr.
List of Victims on United Airlines Flight 175
Alona Abraham
Garnet Edward Bailey
Mark Lawrence Bavis
Graham Andrew Berkeley
Touri Bolourchi
Klaus Bothe
Daniel Raymond Brandhorst
David Reed Gamboa Brandhorst
John Brett Cahill
Christoffer Mikael Carstanjen
John J. Corcoran III
Dorothy Alma de Araujo
Ana Gloria Pocasangre Debarrera
Robert John Fangman
Lisa Anne Frost
Ronald Gamboa
Lynn Catherine Goodchild
Peter M. Goodrich
Douglas Alan Gowell
Francis Edward Grogan
Carl Max Hammond, Jr.
Christine Lee Hanson
Peter Burton Hanson
Susan Kim Hanson
Gerald Francis Hardacre
Eric Hartono
James Edward Hayden
Herbert Wilson Homer
Michael Robert Horrocks
Robert Adrien Jalbert
Amy N. Jarret
Ralph Kershaw
Heinrich Kimmig
Amy R. King
Brian Kinney
Kathryn L. LaBorie
Robert G. Leblanc
Maclovio Lopez, Jr.
Marianne Macfarlane
Alfred Gilles Marchand
Louis Mariani
Juliana McCourt
Ruth Magdaline McCourt
Wolfgang Peter Menzel
Shawn M. Nassaney
Marie Pappalardo
Patrick J. Quigley IV
Frederick Charles Rimmele III
James Roux
Jesus Sanchez
Victor J. Saracini
Mary Kathleen Shearer
Robert M. Shearer
Jane Louise Simpkin
Brian David Sweeney
Michael C. Tarrou
Alicia N. Titus
Timothy Ray Ward
William Michael Weems
List of Victims at the Pentagon (Not Including Flight 77)
Note: USA - United Stated Army; USN - United States Navy
SPC Craig S. Amundson, USA
YN3 Melissa Rose Barnes, USN
MSG Max J. Beilke, Retired
IT2 Kris Romeo Bishundat, USN
Carrie R. Blagburn
COL Canfield D. Boone, ARNG
Donna M. Bowen
Allen P. Boyle
ET3 Christopher L. Burford, USN
ET3 Daniel M. Caballero, USN
SFC Jose O. Calderon-Olmedo, USA
Angelene C. Carter
Sharon A. Carver
SFC John J. Chada, USA, Retired
Rosa Maria Chapa
Julian T. Cooper
LCDR Eric A. Cranford, USN
Ada M. Davis
CAPT Gerald F. DeConto, USN
LTC Jerry D. Dickerson, USA
IT1 Johnnie Doctor, Jr., USN
CAPT Robert E. Dolan, Jr., USN
CDR William H. Donovan, USN
CDR Patrick Dunn, USN
AG1 Edward T. Earhart, USN
LCDR Robert R. Elseth, USNR
SK3 Jamie L. Fallon, USN
Amelia V. Fields
Gerald P. Fisher
AG2 Matthew M. Flocco, USN
Sandra N. Foster
CAPT Lawrence D. Getzfred, USN
Cortez Ghee
Brenda C. Gibson
COL Ronald F. Golinski, USA, Retired
Diane Hale-McKinzy
Carolyn B. Halmon
Sheila M.S. Hein
ET1 Ronald J. Hemenway, USN
MAJ Wallace Cole Hogan, Jr., USA
SSG Jimmie I. Holley, USA, Retired
Angela M. Houtz
Brady Kay Howell
Peggie M. Hurt
LTC Stephen N. Hyland, Jr., USA
Lt Col Robert J. Hymel, USAF, Retired
SGM Lacey B. Ivory, USA
LTC Dennis M. Johnson, USA
Judith L. Jones
Brenda Kegler
LT Michael S. Lamana, USN
David W. Laychak
Samantha L. Lightbourn-Allen
MAJ Stephen V. Long, USA
James T. Lynch, Jr.
Terence M. Lynch
OS2 Nehamon Lyons IV, USN
Shelley A. Marshall
Teresa M. Martin
Ada L. Mason-Acker
LTC Dean E. Mattson, USA
LTG Timothy J. Maude, USA
Robert J. Maxwell
Molly L. McKenzie
Patricia E. Mickley
MAJ Ronald D. Milam, USA
Gerard P. Moran, Jr.
Odessa V. Morris
ET1 Brian A. Moss, USN
Teddington H. Moy
LCDR Patrick J. Murphy, USNR
Khang Ngoc Nguyen
DM2 Michael A. Noeth, USN
Ruben S. Ornedo
Diana B. Padro
LT Jonas M. Panik, USNR
MAJ Clifford L. Patterson, Jr., USA
LT Darin H. Pontell, USNR
Scott Powell
CAPT Jack D. Punches, USN, Retired
AW1 Joseph J. Pycior, Jr., USN
Deborah A. Ramsaur
Rhonda Sue Rasmussen
IT1 Marsha D. Ratchford, USN
Martha M. Reszke
Cecelia E. (Lawson) Richard
Edward V. Rowenhorst
Judy Rowlett
SGM Robert E. Russell, USA, Retired
CW4 William R. Ruth, ARNG
Charles E. Sabin, Sr.
Marjorie C. Salamone
COL David M. Scales, USA
CDR Robert A. Schlegel, USN
Janice M. Scott
LTC Michael L. Selves, USA, Retired
Marian H. Serva
CDR Dan F. Shanower, USN
Antionette M. Sherman
Diane M. Simmons
Cheryle D. Sincock
ITC Gregg H. Smallwood, USN
LTC Gary F. Smith, USA, Retired
Patricia J. Statz
Edna L. Stephens
SGM Larry L. Strickland, USA
LTC Kip P. Taylor, USA
Sandra C. Taylor
LTC Karl W. Teepe, USA, Retired
SGT Tamara C. Thurman, USA
LCDR Otis V. Tolbert, USN
SSG Willie Q. Troy, USA, Retired
LCDR Ronald J. Vauk, USNR
LTC Karen J. Wagner, USA
Meta L. (Fuller) Waller
SPC Chin Sun Pak Wells, USA
SSG Maudlyn A. White, USA
Sandra L. White
Ernest M. Willcher
LCDR David L. Williams, USN
MAJ Dwayne Williams, USA
RMC Marvin Roger Woods, USN, Retired
IT2 Kevin W. Yokum, USN
ITC Donald M. Young, USN
Edmond G. Young, Jr.
Lisa L. Young
List of Victims on American Airlines Flight 77
Paul W. Ambrose
Yeneneh Betru
Mary Jane Booth
Bernard C. Brown, II
CAPT Charles F. Burlingame III, USNR, Retired
Suzanne M. Calley
William E. Caswell
David M. Charlebois
Sarah M. Clark
Asia S. Cottom
James D. Debeuneure
Rodney Dickens
Eddie A. Dillard
LCDR Charles A. Droz III, USN, Retired
Barbara G. Edwards
Charles S. Falkenberg
Dana Falkenberg
Zoe Falkenberg
J. Joseph Ferguson
Darlene E. Flagg
RADM Wilson F. Flagg, USNR, Retired
1stLt Richard P. Gabriel, USMC, Retired
Ian J. Gray
Stanley R. Hall
Michele M. Heidenberger
Bryan C. Jack
Steven D. Jacoby
Ann C. Judge
Chandler R. Keller
Yvonne E. Kennedy
Norma Cruz Khan
Karen Ann Kincaid
Dong Chul Lee
Jennifer Lewis
Kenneth E. Lewis
Renee A. May
Dora Marie Menchaca
Christopher C. Newton
Barbara K. Olson
Ruben S. Ornedo
Robert Penninger
Robert R. Ploger III
Zandra F. Ploger
Lisa J. Raines
Todd H. Reuben
John P. Sammartino
George W. Simmons
Donald D. Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper
Robert Speisman
Norma Lang Steuerle
Hilda E. Taylor
Leonard E. Taylor
Sandra D. Teague
Leslie A. Whittington
CAPT John D. Yamnicky, Sr., USN, Retired
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng
List of Victims on United Airlines Flight 93
Christian Adams
Lorraine G. Bay
Todd Beamer
Alan Beaven
Mark K. Bingham
Deora Frances Bodley
Sandra W. Bradshaw
Marion Britton
Thomas E. Burnett Jr.
William Cashman
Georgine Rose Corrigan
Patricia Cushing
Jason Dahl
Joseph Deluca
Patrick Driscoll
Edward Porter Felt
Jane C. Folger
Colleen Fraser
Andrew Garcia
Jeremy Glick
Lauren Grandcolas
Wanda A. Green
Donald F. Greene
Linda Gronlund
Richard Guadagno
Leroy Homer, Jr.
Toshiya Kuge
CeeCee Lyles
Hilda Marcin
Waleska Martinez
Nicole Miller
Louis J. Nacke, II
Donald Arthur Peterson
Jean Hoadley Peterson
Mark Rothenberg
Christine Snyder
John Talignani
Honor Elizabeth Wainio
Deborah Ann Jacobs Welsh
Kristin Gould WhiteI know how many died. When are we going to hunt the real culprits? It is my question. "Fallen comrades" is it a joke? You are developing the same discourse than the media!
We know the culprits and who directed them. And we found him. End of story. You are not putting forth any arguments, rationalizations or proof of anything. You are simply flooding the thread with inflammatory remarks.
It is NOT a joke. PEOPLE DIED. For most deaths, there are people left to mourn them. Who will mourn yours?
If your point was to ask "when are we going to hunt the real culprits?" then perhaps you should have opened with that question. Not the question "what is the poing of remembering 9/11?"
We are all here, answering your questions. I have seen nobody that agrees with you, and even fewer that don't think you're full of shit. Please discontinue your blatent disrespect. Do you love anyone? Do you have any friends or family? Imagine if one of them died. Would you consider their memory not worth thinking about if they never caught the "real" murderer? Really? Are you so heartless as to say that it isn't worth remembering the deaths of these victims?
They are fallen comrades. They were my comrades. I am a New Yorker. They are your comrades, too.Had it been a member of my family, I would have used the full extent of the law to have them trialed on an national level and international. Desmund Tutu is also for a condamnation of the real criminals!
I do not take anyone seriously who says on one hand that Hussein's atrocities against his own people and all those who died "have no relevance" but want to condemn two people who acted on information they received and believed to be accurate. It smacks of an agenda other than any truth. And he was not speaking of 9/11 anyway. He was only speaking of Iraq. Please go play with the rest of your "friends" in fantasy land. We live in the real world here and are taking this day to remember the innocent who were murdered by terrorists in planes and hopefully their families are finding some solace in knowing that the mastermind behind the tragedy is no longer walking the earth.
Hussein was trained by the CIA. The atrocities, he committed, had I guess an American know-how. And I don't recall that the Bush administration attacked Saudi Arabia, that was the craddle of the so called perpetrators. No, they pretended that it was Osama Bin Laden and attacked Iraq. It makes sense. Oh, I forgot we were aiming his dictatorship! What about Saudi Arabia, isn't it the biggest dictatorship? Isn't it radical muslim? I guess, there's a double standard there! And since you worry about the death toll, the Iraq war probably killed more people than Hussein would have.
Let's check the scoreboard:
Saddam Hussein:
Iran/Iraq War (1980-1988)= 750,000 dead
Persian Gulf War (1990) = 65,000 (estimated)
Fedayeen Saddam Activities = 200,000 + over 23 years
Total = 1,015,000 deaths
The Iraq War (2003 - 2009) = 151,000
It is definitely anchored in the history. I tend to disagree with you when you referred to Somalia. Somalia was invaded by Kenya with the financial support of the US. Journalists out in the fields denounced the Kenyan intervention and their use of drones. I personally doubt that Kenya has drones in its military panoply.
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