SUGGESTION: Hub Hop Ratings

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   SimeyCposted 11 years ago

   It would be interesting to be able to see the Hub Hop ratings on my hubs - this will help me understand what areas I need to work on and which areas I am doing well on....

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      tussinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you want meaningful feedback on your writing, hire a professional editor to read through your library.  The crowd-sourced hub hopper ratings are produced by people from all over the spectrum of writing ability and English skills.
      
      While it would be interesting to see what a hub's ratings are, how useful they would be to the author is dubious. The HP users most qualified to grade others' writing aren't wasting their time grading for free. So guess who's left using the grading hopper?
      
      I think if HP made these stats available on the hubs and people actually saw how their writing was being scored, there would be mass complaining on the forums. A lot of low scores would probably be deserved, but a lot probably wouldn't. Kind of like idling, not everything that got hit was low-quality as per the standard definition. Let sleeping dogs lie; I prefer this to be kept internal.

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      aa liteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I second that.  Admittedly it might cause a huge uproar as ppl object to being given ratings that are lower than they feel they deserve.  However there is a lot of positive to be said for getting feedback. 
      
      Having looked at the 'training' on the mechanical turk site, which unfortunately I can't use since I'm not in the US, I would estimate that most of my hubs would get 7-8.  I would be very interested in finding out how objective I am in my self-assessment.
      
      But the hub hopper score only gives you the rating of new or edited hubs.  Existing hubs might also be idled (or whatever it is called now) because they don't get enough traffic (or get "low reader engagement").  Presumably each hub is given some kind of an ever-evolving score, I think it would be nice if that was made known to the person as well.
      
      HubPages is now becoming similar to Squidoo with their WIP lenses (Hopefully the traffic will become like Squidoo's too).  Squidoo tells everybody the lensrank of each lens, and I know that when my lensrank drops below 400k my lens will stop being featured.  I quite like this transparency (although I really dislike the whole lensrank system and how earnings depend on it!).

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   MickiSposted 11 years ago

   SimeyC, that's a great suggestion. It's something that we are grappling with internally: if to present it, how to present it.
   
   The hesitation is that many people will be offended. Look at the FUD that was created when we introduced Idle Hubs. Some people embraced it and welcomed the feedback. Some hated it so much they threatened to leave HubPages (but apparently never did).
   
   Suggestions for how to best reveal the info in a helpful way that would be seen as constructive feedback are much appreciated.

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      Novel Treasureposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What if there was like a "constructive criticisms" comment section? But not one that was either approved or denied but one where the comments remained private so they weren't posted on the comments section of the hub for everyone to read.
      
      Because even though there is a forum to ask for help in this area, I wonder if some are hesitant to use it because the comments are public and they may be embarassed.

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         Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Novel Treasure, this is the exact suggestion I was about to post when I saw this forum thread.
         
         There could be a note section, so that when we rate we could make suggestions on how to make the hub a little better.

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      jenb0128posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe have a little tab or button a hubber can click if he or she wants the info. That way, those who know they might be offended or simply aren't in the mood for constructive criticism can avoid it. I know I have my bad days when I know criticism will upset me (constructive or not), and other days when I'm in a "self improvement" mood and would really like to see it.

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         Tealparadiseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         This is a good one!  2nd.  If you don't want to know - don't view it.

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      aa liteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think just an extra column in everybody's account, that only they can see.  To be honest I don't think there is much you can do to prevent the screaming that is likely to result.  Just take it on the chin.

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      CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      People might not have left, but I can tell just from the hubbers I follow that many of them are not writing as many hubs as they used to.   So maybe a few less flip comments from staff about hubbers who have the temerity to disagree with implementations that have caused them problems and loss of income, and a bit more empathy for their concerns would be in order.

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         tussinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         That will be hard now that she is no longer in the employ of HP. Trololol.

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   Millionaire Tipsposted 11 years ago

   I would love to get constructive criticism.  One way to do it would be to simply have a code or place that Hubbers can indicate whether they want constructive criticism.  Something simple like "this author accepts constructive criticism". It just wouldn't appear on people who don't want it.  Then there should be a separate place it should go.  A separate place would be nice, but I guess it can go into a comment, but that comment should somehow be able to designate that it is a constructive criticism comment so that it isn't open for the public to see.
   
   I do like the idea that you have to click on the link "constructive criticism" to see it, because some times you may just not be ready to see it or may need to prepare yourself first.

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   SmartAndFunposted 11 years ago

   I think it could be a good/interesting option for hubbers, depending upon the credentials -- or lack thereof -- of the person giving each critique. However, like others have already pointed out, it would be a babysitting nightmare for HP staff when the thousands of crybaby complaints started rolling in. I guess HP could remedy that by supplying a blackhole email address for critique complaints and just let the emails collect without ever opening them. I can imagine the forum drama, too. That forum section would be huge and possibly scarier and more annoying than the religion and politics forums.

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