Jesus had a Wife!?

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   DoubleScorpionposted 11 years ago

   It seems there has been located a papyrus that has Jesus talking about his wife. Does this have the chance at changing anything within the Christian Faith? Thoughts.
   
   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us/hi … -wife.html

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      From the link...
      
      "Dr. King gave an interview and showed the papyrus fragment...
      
      The text was probably written centuries after Jesus lived..."

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         livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yea, at least 350 years after his death.  It is said to be from around 400 AD

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   No.  Most Christians won't accept it as truth even if dated to the proper time.  They will declare it fraudulent and point out that are missing links in it's authenticity and that dating processes are not exact.  There is thus no need to change their thinking on the subject.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Ohhh!  Congrats, btw!  Just noticed your little 'a.'  Hope it's going well. 

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   Motown2Chitownposted 11 years ago

   It wouldn't really change anything for me.  Jesus's message would still have the same central meaning. 
   
   What might bother me a bit is that is was kept quiet by so many for so long.  IMO, Jesus speaks so highly of the institution of marriage that if He WAS indeed married, you'd think He'd have held up His own marriage as the ideal.
   
   Just my take on it.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Good point.  It certainly would not change Jesus's message at all, but it would call into question the motives of the church that produced the bible.  What else was left out, and what was "translated" to match their desires and mores?

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         Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Exactly. 
         
         It wouldn't be anything really except another indictment of God's 'Church.'  I love my God, and I love my faith.  I even love my Church.  But sometimes, I struggle because I love it for what it can and should be as opposed to what it is. 
         
         

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Motown, you have got to be the most reasonable and thoughtful poster in the religious forums.  Kudos.

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               Motown2Chitownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you.  I appreciate that. 

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   There is really very little information one way or the other.

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      livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly!  From what I read the papyrus that was found is about the size of a business card and one phrase that was translated says "my wife."  The whole message is not there so nothing can really be drawn from the context.  Besides, it is also thought to be dated at 400AD and as we all know, 400 years is a long time for words and ideas to get minced and even lose their original meaning.

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         DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It was written about the same time as the ones that say he didn't have a wife...Curious indeed...But, I checked a few other spots and it seems the next line says "she can be my disciple"...

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            livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Even so, without the full text noting can be said about the full context.  I believe it was said this was written about the same time as the Catholic church was in great debate about why priests shouldn't take a spouse.  Seems to me that this could be something by a priestly scribe who wanted to have a wife and wrote a passage to argue his case. Without the full text, the world may never know.

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   Pearldiverposted 11 years ago

   And.... Apparently she nagged him continuously about his musical goals and about getting a haircut and a real job!   

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   ptosisposted 11 years ago

   If you open up the pdf file on the text it says' wife' with a superscript '[35]' that says in the notes "or not".
   
   From the Nag Hamadi, Mary was one of his disciples and DaVinci knew it. Check out the last supper interpretations and the floating hand.
   
   But as Sam Kinison said, "Oh no, Jesus  didn't have a wife, wouldn't have worked out. Jesus  goes out on a Friday night with 12 other guys .. doesn't come home for three days & looks like death warmed over.......
   
   MARY:" Well! Where were YOU Mr. Winemaker!?!?!?
   
   
   
   Sam Kinison on Jesus' Wife
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSwG9Tojg9I&

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   ptosisposted 11 years ago

   The text was a copy of course from earlier texts and is supported by other texts such as
   
   Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.
   http://gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm
   
   Why wouldn't he not have a wife?  His male disciples were misogynic religious Jews
   
   Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
   Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven." http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.
   
   Hmmm, just like the Hatshepsut, the most powerful female Egyptian Pharaoh who wore a fake beard.
   
   
   

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