I do believe, I do, I do, I do believe in Ghosts

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   elenagarciaposted 11 years ago

   Not everybody believes in ghosts, but most everybody has had an experience with a ghost.
   
   What's your ghost experience?

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Usually, the reason people don't believe in ghosts is because they understand ghosts don't exist. They would violate so many physical laws of our universe, let alone biological and chemical laws.

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         Thrailesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Just out of curiosity, what "physical laws of our universe" preclude the possibility of ghosts?

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            Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Was wondering that same thing.
            There are laws which exist within an ant bed and other laws for a bee hive; a herd of horses and a flock of geese. Kinda like parallel universes. When interaction happens between these different universes, these laws are affected; the fire ants usually die. When these universes merge the laws join together as well.
               Some mountain goats are unaware that mankind exist. In their reality .....  we don't … until hunting season begins
            To think that something can not be, simply because it is does not lie within our senses, is absurd.
            I know that there is something going on outside the fog in which mankind exists and sometimes it ventures into the fog.

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               A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               No Jerami, insects are governed by exactly the same laws as everything else.

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                  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Then you agree that we are all governed by laws of which we are unaware. The ants are governed by that which they are familar and those which they are not.
                  And you will say that we are different because we are aware of these laws.
                  We are aware of only those which we are aware of.
                  And you seem to be saying that if we are not aware of them ... then they are not revelant.
                  Nothing exist outside of the fog which you have chosen to accept???

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                     A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Correction, the laws YOU are unaware.

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                        Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        And I stand corrected ....    HOW?

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                           A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Because others are aware.

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                              Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              They are aware of only that which they are aware of.  And nothing else.

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Pretty much all of them. Laws of motion, gravity conservation of mass-energy and momentum,, thermodynamics, electrostatic and electromagnetic to name a few. Then, there's chemistry and biology, as well.

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               Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I do not think we have enough knowledge of universal physics to say there are "absolute laws"?
               
               What Are the Types of Parallel Universes?
               
               Physicists talk about parallel universes, but it's not always clear what they mean. Do they mean alternate histories of our own universe, like those often shown in science fiction, or whole other universes with no real connection to ours?
               
               http://physics.about.com/od/astronomy/f … eTypes.htm

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                  Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  This has become quite the interesting topic

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Only some theoretical physicists talk about other universes, usually based on math. However, there is no hard evidence of other universes.

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               Thrailesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               While I’m not really a believer in ghosts, I think it’s a little silly to say definitely that they’re not possible; I also believe that it’s more than a little arrogant to claim that the “physical laws of our universe” somehow prohibit their existence.
               
               First, the following laws you cited as examples wouldn’t apply:
               Law of Motion
               Law of Gravity
               The Law of Conservation of Mass
               The Law of Conservation of Momentum
               Thermodynamics
               ...and while it could be argued that Electrostatics and Electromagnetics apply (personally, I don’t think they do), there is no fundamental law in either of them that says “ghosts” are impossible.
               
               As for the Law of Conservation of Energy, it more than adequately provides for the continued existence of bioelectric energy, even after death. When you couple that with Quantum Entanglement, there is more than enough “reasonable doubt” on the subject; certainly enough to make it foolish to call someone irrational for choosing to believe it.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, they do apply, along with a host of other laws.
                  
                  
                  
                  You really have no idea what you're talking about.

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                     Thrailesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay then professor, enlighten us; explain to me what gravity has to do with Ghosts? Explain what motion, and the Conservation of Mass have to do with supernatural phenomenon. Clue us in to the intricacies of Thermodynamics that preclude the possibility of life after death.
                     
                     You apparently seem to have extensive knowledge in Chemistry, Bio-Chem, Physics, Engineering, and Quantum Mechanics, so by all means, explain away...

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I have no problem with explaining it.
                        
                        Since, there isn't any evidence for ghosts, could you please describe to me what exactly ghosts are comprised, their properties and characteristics and by what mechanisms they can interact with our physical world, how we see them and from what sources of energy they extract?

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                           Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           What is a photon made of:
                           
                           A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances. Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.
                           The modern photon concept was developed gradually by Albert Einstein to explain experimental observations that did not fit the classical wave model of light.
                           
                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

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                              A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Is there some point to your science lesson?

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                                 Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 LOL, yes, how do you know that the same substance that forms a photon cannot also explain phenomena that human beings categorize as ghosts?
                                 
                                 Although having evidence that something is there which we label a photon, no actual evidence is available!  All we know is that there is something that acts differently than light?

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                                    A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Our eyes collect photons within a rather small frequency bandwidth, that is how we see things. So, ghosts too would have to either emit or reflect photons. If they emit photons, what is the source and how does it emit the frequency we require to see them?
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    How do you know that? And, if it acts differently than light, then it isn't light, hence our eyes wouldn't be able to process it or cameras be able to record it.

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                           Thrailesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           So your "proof" that ghosts don't exist is the fact that no one has proven that they do exist; and you don't see the inherit problem with that type of logic?
                           
                           Let me pose it this way: did gravity exist before we discovered what it was that was holding us to the ground? Was heliocentrism always the way things worked, or did the Sun orbit the Earth until Galileo discovered otherwise? Now obviously, these are just exaggerations to prove a point, but the logic is the same.
                           
                           Saying that something doesn't exist, simply because we have no proof of it's existence is flawed logic at best.

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                              A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Those appear to be your words, not mine.
                              
                              
                              
                              For your words, yes.
                              
                              
                              
                              Can you show me where I said that?
                              
                              Could you get back to answering my questions so I can show you how those laws apply? Thanks.

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      Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I lived in an old plantation house in South Carolina.  I would sit in the kitchen and hear old fashioned clunky shoes walking around in the attic.  At first I was scared half to death afraid to move.  I noticed this only when I was in the kitchen, not doing anything, just sitting at the table.  So, I started to talk to the footsteps.  You could tell it was a woman by the sounds across the attic floor.  Yes, I even got brave and looked in the attic and there was nothing up there, nothing that could make this sound.  I asked her questions of who she was and what she was doing there.  I talked about the Civil War to her and told her she could pass over to the other side as her family was waiting for her. The footsteps slowly happened less and less until one day I just never heard them again.  Yes, ghosts do exhist.

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         A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You contradict yourself.

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            Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            you don't necessarily have to 'see' ghosts.  You can feel their presence, they make noises, they move items.  They are souls who are stuck between one realm and another.

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               A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry, but souls have never been shown to exist.

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                  Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually without a soul, there wouldn't be human life.

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                     A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     How little you understand human life. Can you show me a soul? Obviously, doctors are missing something in the human body which you apparently know all about?

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                        Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Ok Trouble, a doctor can't create life from scratch, biological life. Let alone consciousness and stuff.
                        
                        Don't waste your day and night here, wannabe scientist. Get a life.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           So what? Is there a point to that?
                           
                           
                           
                           Typical insults.

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                              Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              You don't know what is biological life. You don't know what is consciousness. And yet you are cocksure that humans don't have a soul. OMG! 

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      twosheds1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I wrote a hub about this subject, if you're interested.
      
      Why do ghosts always appear clothed? Did their clothes die with them?

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      elenagarciaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in ghosts because I have experienced them many times in my life. I see and hear them. Believe me or don't. It makes me no nevermind. I know what I know.  I invite others to share their stories.

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   Stacie Lposted 11 years ago

   I haven't seen a full form ghost but recently orbs have been appearing in photos I've taken on my visits to woods and parks with my boyfriend..ooooohhhhhhh
   

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting.  While digital cameras are certainly designed to receive and use the same frequencies our eyes do, I'm sure there is some overlap into higher or lower frequencies. 
      
      Any idea of what that might be?  UV light?  IR?  Radio signals?  If we could find what is stimulating the photo receptors on a camera but not in the eye, we could put forth an actual search for paranormal things like orbs with cameras specifically designed to receive that wavelength of light.

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         twosheds1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What makes you think that "orbs" are paranormal?

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   cryptidposted 11 years ago

   The point of the paranormal is that is exists outside of the scope of our understanding of the world.  We should never assume we are at the apex of our intellectual evolution.  It closes our minds to so many possibilities we never would have imagined had we assumed we already had all the answers.
   
   I believe in them because I've had a few experiences and I think the evidence is compelling enough to suggest something is going on.  What it is I can't say, but if you add up all the eyewitness accounts and other evidence there is clearly some sort of phenomenon here, and it can't all be explained by a bit of under-done potato.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You just contradicted yourself.

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         cryptidposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I don't see how.  If I witness something science can't explain by the rules of our current understanding that's paranormal by definition.  Where is the contradiction?

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            A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            If there were evidence, it would be within the scope of our understanding.
            
            However, there is no evidence for ghosts.

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               Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You are a sceptic my friend.  Keep an open mind.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  But, not so much as to let my brains fall out. Keeping an open mind does not mean one accepts the ridiculous conclusions of someone who holds irrational beliefs.

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                     Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     The best part of being human is that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  Just as you have yours, I have mine.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, you are free to hold ridiculous beliefs that contradict reality.

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                           Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Your's is Evolution, Trouble. Irrational, bacterium becoming human. Laughable!

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                              Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              This is why he is 'A Troubled Man' and has hopefully not reproduced

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                                 Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Oh My God

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 And yet, more insults.

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               Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Evidence? What evidence you want? Are you grim-jawed not to believe it until a spirit pulls your blanket? Ok, good luck with that! Anyway, evidence may come in many forms. If you're a closed minded hypocrite, then it won't get inside.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Then, don't be a closed minded hypocrite.

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                     Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Applies to the green problem

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               cryptidposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               There's tons of evidence of the paranormal.  EVPs, video, photographic.  In fact there is more evidence than ever these days, with everyone deciding they are a paranormal researcher.  Just like any evidence, some of it can be written off in one way or another, and some can't.
               
               There are a great many things in science that were beyond our understanding, until one day they weren't.  If scientists always stuck with the what they understood to be true instead of thinking beyond their constraints and imagining the "impossible" the Earth would still be flat and I'd be chiseling this on a hunk of stone instead of typing it.

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                  Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You go!

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                  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Baloney.
                  
                  
                  
                  Sorry, but there is no evidence.
                  
                  
                  
                  Irrelevant.

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                     cryptidposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Fair enough.
                     
                     Your mind is made up, and that's fine, but I do believe there is an inherent danger in believing you have this universe all figured out.  Something incredible could happen right in front of you, but you won't see it if your eyes, and your mind, are closed.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        It has nothing to do with my mind being made up. Incredible things have happened, but ghosts and goblins were not the answers, they're just childish fairy tales.

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                           Taurus2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Are you sure they are just tales?

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   Shanna11posted 11 years ago

   I don't believe in ghosts, but I like to get together with friends and go to haunted houses or watch a scary movie and then go on a late night graveyard walk. Even though I don't actually believe we'll see anything/be haunted, it's fun to feed off of the energy of friends and scare yourself.
   
   And I have been known to use Ouija boards with friends, if only to manipulate the game to my advantage....

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