Dems & Reps - who among you wants more war, tyranny and fiscal chaos?

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   lone77starposted 11 years ago

   
   
   Both Romney and Obama want more war. Looks like we're staying in Afghanistan for many more years to come. And Iraq? Heck, "combat" troops have been renamed "trainers." All for a good Corporate buck. Halliburton charged $2.5 million for a $3,000 fuel transport job! Their "clean" water has all kinds of creepy crawlers for our troops to drink. And they charge $100 for a small bag of laundry. But it's also about oil. Even after the lie of WMDs was revealed, we stayed, and stayed, and stayed.
   
   Both of them want more tyranny. Obama signed the NDAA with its indefinite detention clauses for American citizens. And Romney would've signed it. No trial, no charges, no attorney, no phone call. Obama had 4 years to restore Habeas Corpus as he had promised. Was he too lazy or distracted, or was he merely lying?
   
   Both of them want to spend, spend, spend. During Obama's term, the national debt skyrocketed from about $10 Trillion to $16+ Trillion! Six Trillion in less than 4 years. It took 8 years for George Bush to take us from an insane $5 Trillion to a nightmarish $10 Trillion. Romney would likely keep the acceleration going. He said he wants a far stronger military while we're going broke. And we already have a military stronger than that of the next 10 nations Combined!
   
   Why such mismanagement from both parties? Both Obamney and Rombama work for the Corporate Party. The Corporate Party media is doing a bang up job keeping alive the illusion of normalcy and choice, while they dismantle America, piece-by-piece.
   
   Obama has his "Kill List" which includes Americans.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRuNOaNYME
   
   Obama ignores Federal Judge on unconstitutionality of NDAA indefinite detention.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOM85tx8OJE
   
   In America, under Obama's term, it has become a felony to protest what the government is doing! (see HR 347)
   
   Both men don't have solutions to fix the government's deficit spending insanity.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0EMau8GZY
   
   And both parties have already drawn their line in the sand by killing voting and Roberts Rules of Order in their presidential conventions. Just watch these two 4-minute videos showing you the evidence that they're killing America.
   
   RNC Scripted:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE
   
   DNC Scripted:
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmaE2Aez_XY
   
   
   A Brazen Alternative?
   
   Would you consider voting for the other candidate on the ballot in all 50 states -- the one not invited to the debates -- Gary Johnson?
   
   He stands for restoring the Constitution to full force, to eliminating the deficit spending while eliminating personal and corporate income taxes in order to boost the economy and help businesses create far more jobs. And he stands for bringing all of our troops home and stopping the evil wars of Corporate aggression.
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP69507fTKY
   
   

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   This would be much better if it actually addressed Romney's plans and history. You're right on some of the civil-rights stuff, but not on some of the economic stuff.
   
   Also, while I have ideologies, I'm also a realist. I'm not going to waste my vote by voting for someone who can't be elected.
   
   Voting for Johnson has half of the effect as voting for the candidate out of Romney/Obama who you would most prefer not to be elected.

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      aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So, if you were around before WW2, who would you have voted for Hitler or Stalin... or would you have voted for the longshot, who everyone said could not make a difference... Winston Churchill... who did actually make THE difference?
      
      
      
      An 'old guy' in his sixties, who was obese, a heavy smoker an drinker, hopeless at money management and considered a loose cannon by ALL parties in the UK.
      
      Your freedom was secured by this relic who never had a chance.

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         lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         And the Germans said that they would wring the neck of Britain like a chicken.
         
         Churchill replied, "Some chicken! Some neck!"
         
         Thank you, Winston Churchill!
         
         And no thanks to Hitler 2.0 in America.

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @JaxsonRaine, I understand that you want to vote for someone so that the other candidate doesn't get into the White House. But what a slick plan by the Corporate Party to dangle two evils for America to choose from instead.
      
      If everyone like you stopped thinking that their vote would be wasted, then Gary Johnson -- or someone like him -- would be elected in a flash.
      
      Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is still evil.
      
      I guess the Corporate Party and the evil Rockefellers and Goldman-Sachs behind them will win after all and America dies. Gee thanks!
      
      What a cowardly attitude. Voting for either Obama or Romney is a wasted vote, in my book, because, if you had seen the two videos (RNC and DNC scripted), you'll know that American liberties are something they are entirely against.
      
      They're getting rid of those liberties piece-by-piece.
      
      And you want more of that tyranny? I'm sorry, but I think you're cracked!
      
      You would vote for either Hitler or Stalin, but not JFK or Abraham Lincoln.
      
      The Corporate Party media did their job too well. America is without hope, if you're any indication.
      
      What economic stuff are you talking about? These are facts. Look them up. If they're wrong, please let me know the specifics.
      
      But here's the scenario.
      
      Corporate Party wins. It doesn't matter if it's Obamney or Rombama. The cosmetic differences don't mean squat. The Corporate Party agenda moves ahead with Crisis -- Public Outcry -- Legislative Solution. These three steps are planned on a number of topics. One such plan leads to everyone getting an embedded RFID microchip -- the biblical Mark of the Beast. Without your microchip, you won't be able to buy or sell anything. And the government can turn off your microchip if they don't like you -- effectively killing you.
      
      Saber-rattling is preparing us for a third world war centered on Israel and the Muslim world. Armageddon.
      
      The New World Order crowd only need about 500 million slaves. They plan to have the other 6+ billion murdered. GMO crops, government sponsored pandemics, sterilization chemicals in the food and packaging (men today are far less fertile than they were half a century ago), manufactured wars, and death camps. I've seen video of one "residential center" planned for us -- two 20-foot high razor-wire perimeter fences, but swing sets for the kiddies. And thousands of plastic coffins all ready for the coming slaughter.
      
      Couldn't happen in America? That's what will make it so effective. People, when they finally wake up, will likely be too stunned to do anything about it.
      
      I never thought America would come to outlawing free speech, but it's here. Protest and you can spend a decade or more in jail.
      
      Voting for either of the Corporate Party candidates is a wasted vote in my opinion. But hey, I love America and its original liberties.

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   aguasilverposted 11 years ago

   Here is the answer....
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP69507f … ture=share
   
   

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What cowards Americans have become.
      
      The Corporate Party is playing their egotistical fears like a finely-tuned violin. Like Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
      
      I'd love to see this guy in the White House.
      
      What a thrill to have our Constitutional liberties back, to have Halliburton sulking because of lost contracts gouging the America taxpayers, to have an end to income taxes and to have a balanced budget and a debt that is steadily coming down.
      
      Would America prosper in a world like this? In a flash, it would. And a prosperous America would scare the stuffing out of Rockefeller and their NWO cronies.
      
      Perhaps the inertia of ego is too great at this point, but what we do now can help prepare for the Kingdom to come after the storm. Build the foundation of righteousness based upon fearlessness.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   If I really had the choice none of the above!

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Bravo, @maxoxam41.
      
      Let's say for a moment that elections aren't totally rigged -- that only some of the electronic voting machines have been programmed to change votes.
      
      Perhaps if enough people voted for Gary Johnson and protested if the votes were found to be fraudulently counted, then we might have a different ball game.
      
      But the longer we wait to do something, the more the blanket of tyranny will tighten on America.
      
      Now is the time for us to kick apathy in the butt and do something about it.
      
      If every person that knows of Gary Johnson contacted 2 other people to get the word out, we could have the country covered in no time.
      
      If the right message (worded with rocket-charged facts) could change people's minds, we could carpet the nation in 8 days!
      
      Think about it. What message could be sent out? What viral message would wake people up?

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         maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Obama had good intentions when we elected him, the relevant question is what does happen between the moment we elect him/her and the moment where he/she occupies the oval office? Which interference/force blocks the application of his former praised policy?

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            lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            But who said it was blocked? Who said he really intended to follow through with his pledges?
            
            I learned a couple of days ago that Obama has created something like 937 Executive Orders. That's something like 900 more than Bush, Jr. and nearly a hundred times or more than every other president. By these he is eliminating the need for Congress. That's treason. His "Kill List" with Americans was treason. His signing of the NDAA with its indefinite detention clauses for Americans was treason.
            
            He could've restored Habeas Corpus, but didn't He could've pulled our troops out of Iraq immediately, as he had promised, but he didn't. He could've closed Gitmo immediately, as promised, but he didn't. In fact, he has been on record as saying that anyone acquitted at Gitmo is to remain there indefinitely! Can you believe it? If they're found not guilty, they are to remain in prison forever.
            
            Wake up. Obama is a slick liar. He lied about his never having used a different name when he applied to the Illinois State Bar. As Barry Soetoro, he was an exchange student to the United States as a citizen of Indonesia. Did he ever change his citizenship to American? No proof that he did. And he's not Christian, but Muslim. Personally, I don't find a Muslim president a problem, but lying about it is not okay.
            
            I supported Obama 100% 4 years ago. I was thrilled when he was elected president. Pure betrayal!

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   Shadesbreathposted 11 years ago

   We vote for who the plutocrats give us. Anyone who thinks this is a democracy or even a republic anymore is either grossly unread, a blind optimist or dumb. So, yeah, go on and fight about Obama or Romney, or even better, have some fantasy about an absurd non-entity candidate flying in like Peter Pan and going all Robin Hood on the system.
   
   A better idea would be to figure out how you and yours are going to fare when full on feudalism comes. Then again, it's still a hundred or so years off, so, who cares, right? Live it up and be glad you got to live at the height of Rome.

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      lone77starposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @Shadesbreath, your grip on reality is reassuring, but your pessimism is a cold, dank breath of death. Live it up, suicide... what's the difference?
      
      But a century off? I don't think so. With the dollar as the world's reserve currency and $16+ Trillion in national debt Bubble and Accelerating, I think that mess will pop a lot sooner. When it does, Earth will be toast, and America will be ground zero. We'll have $16-30 Trillion in pre-Pop debt, but with a worthless dollar incapable of ever paying it off. I'd say it'll happen in the next decade, possibly in the next 5 years. Combine the financial meltdown with accelerated tyranny (loss of liberties) and a meltdown in Israeli-Arab relations, we have the makings of the 4 horsemen of the Apocolypse -- war, famine, disease and more -- even in America. The Rockefellers, et al, have already planned for the meltdown. I saw on one video one of the "recreational centers" for families -- surrounded by two 20-foot high perimeter fences topped with razor wire, but swing sets inside for the kiddies.
      
      And thousands of plastic coffins for those who die from the government-created pandemic. Like one doctor who had one of the Bilderbergers as one of their patients, the great "culling" is about to begin.
      
      So, what's wrong with wanting a little compassion before the storm? If Gary Johnson can help us pull back from the edge long enough for many more to have time to prepare, then that would be a good thing.
      
      Yes, Armageddon is going to happen, but it's going to be soon. We've had many of the signs in my lifetime -- rebirth of Israel (1948), the Great Star named Chernobyl ("wormwood" in Ukrainian) which spread its pestilence across a third of the planet, and the Rockefellers have already gushed about their wonder toy -- RFID microchips -- to be embedded in everyone possibly as soon as 2017. Mark of the Beast and it only gets worse.
      
      Pessimism and apathy are the wrong medicine for us. Compassion, forgiveness and awareness are what's needed.

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