The OFFICIAL Final Presidential Debate Thread

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   Habee got the jump on the debate last time. This time, it's my turn.
   
   I predict that Obama is going to end up with 4 minutes more speaking time. Liberals will complain that Romney was rude, interrupted Obama, and bullied the moderator. Conservatives will complain that the moderator is biased, and that Obama avoided speaking about his record.
   
   Someone will accidentally make an obscene gesture, possibly something like Romney taking off his shoe and stuffing his sock in Obama's mouth so he can catch up on speaking time.
   
   Romney will say "I'm going to crack down on China", Obama will say "Osama bin Laden is dead".
   
   CNN will say the debate was a tie, FOX will say Romney won by 5%, and MSNBC will say Obama won by 24%.
   
   Nothing will change, we will all argue about word choice for a couple of days.

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      tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Jax We may not agree on politics, but I love you sense of humor! A very smart man recently told me that he would never want me to change (he is conservative) my opinions, because a strong left and a strong right make eachother and the country better I think he is correct.

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   So, now you don't need to watch the debate, you're all caught up.

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   habeeposted 11 years ago

   I think you prolly nailed it, buddy!

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      [INSERT CANNED RESPONSE]
      
      If you are voting for Obama... I"M NOT YOUR BUDDY.
      
      If you are voting for Romney... THANK YOU! WE RULE!
      
      If you are voting for Johnson... Obama thanks you for your vote...

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Don't forget Stein seems she will be getting some votes this year too. But hey at least we can be buddies since I am not voting Obama

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         innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If you are voting for either Romney or Obama . . . the police-state thanks you for your vote!

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            JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I'll only vote for someone who doesn't have a chance of winning if:
            
            A: I live in a non-swing state.
            B: I agree more with the person who can't win than either of the people who can.
            
            In this case, neither of those apply.

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               innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               So you agree with the police state, why didn't you just say that?

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                  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Because that's not what I meant, so that's not what I said.
                  
                  At this point in time, the economy trumps the existing civil liberty concerns we are facing, and Romney is much better suited to fix the economy.

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                     movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     So more manufacturing jobs will go overseas! Sounds like you have a plan!lol Sorry, Romney will lead us, not to the next recession, but in my opinion the next Great Depression! All my family and friends are going with the POTUS. Romney/Ryan approach to womans rights, medicare vouchers, healthcare, reluctance to tax the wealthy, no job creation plan in detail, and his 47% comments sold us!

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                        TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I absolutely agree and our family has already voted for POTUS

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                     innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Both the economy and the civil liberties issues have a sole cause: big government. Big government is exactly what Romney is promoting.

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                        movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        He's also promoting BIG business at the expense of the worker.

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                           innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           So is Obama - he only postures to be for the working class. In reality he is as much a puppet of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan as Romney is.

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                              maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I totally agree with you. Most of the people on this platform republicans and democrats live in denial of the reality!

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                                 movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Reality is, we have a "ruling class" and a "working class".

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                              movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Difference is, one I've watched for 4 years and i have an inkling as to what he may do. Romney on the other hand scares me. Hes all over the place.

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                                 tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 He may/ or may not do anything/nothing 

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                                    movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    That is true! That's why I believe we should have term limits on all political positions. These "career politicians" have no one's interests at heart but their own.

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                                       tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Movingout, Amen!

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                                 innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 I have an inkling that Obama is going to continue the globalist, police-state agenda of massive government, militarism and erosion of civil liberties. Almost anything would be better than that, until Romney came along. So why pledge your support to either?
                                 
                                 At some point we have to admit that we're in a rigged game and it's not worth playing anymore. Time to focus on actual human action: local initiatives and cooperation, self-sufficiency and peaceful non-compliance.
                                 
                                 Voting either Democract or Republican is a display of compliance to the powers that be.

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                                    Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Time to focus on actual human action: local initiatives and cooperation, self-sufficiency and peaceful non-compliance
                                    
                                    Innersmiff, you sound a bit like Gandhi.

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                                       innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Gandhi had it right with peaceful non-compliance

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                        JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I addressed this in the thread 'Why I don't support Johnson'.
                        
                        It's not about what got us here, it's about making our situation better tomorrow.

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                           movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Jaxson, I agree. Problem is, career politicians. Also the age of some of our representatives. I believe many are seeing fixes to todays problems with yester a years approaches. What worked then, problably won't work today, given the technology of today.

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         habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'm voting for Romney, along with the rest of my extended family - except for two wayward members. lol

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            movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like the two wayward members are concerned about women's right, vouchers, healthcare and the 47% comments. Sounds like they've been following the campaign closely.

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         tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well that stinks...

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   Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

   Aside from having your numbers reversed, I agree with Habee that you nailed it, BUDDY.
   
   Fox will declare Romney the winner by 24% and MSNBC will declare Obama the winner by 5%.
   Romney will repeat his Day One plan to declare China a currency manipulator.
   But Limbaugh is already calling Obama a "moderator manipulator."
   Obama's already given his spoiler alert on Bin Laden at last night's Al Smith dinner.
   
   It would be great if they can get past Libya and China in this debate. I mean, there are a few other countries in the world.

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   movingoutposted 11 years ago

   The moderator will introduce the candidates, Welcoming President Barrack Obama and Governor Willard Romney. Romney will immediately attack the moderator saying, my name isn't Willard! My name is Mitt! The moderator will ask proof of this from Willard, asking him to provide his birth certificate. When unable to dispute the moderator, Willard will stomp back to his chair, visibly shaken!

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   innersmiffposted 11 years ago

   

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   Sooner28posted 11 years ago

   I'll have to remember this thread is here after Obama whoops Romney tomorrow .

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, good luck with that.

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Looks like it is already pretty lively anyway. 
         
         Like you said, I'm not sure anything new will come to light.  I'm hoping you and I are both wrong.

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   Sooner28posted 11 years ago

   I'm responding so this thread will jump up to the beginning to remind people this thread exists.
   
   Also, I'm interested in hearing what the candidates leave out, such as indefinite detention and torture.

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/debate … ?hpt=po_t1
   
   Watch live at CNN

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      tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, a lot of agreeiment on foriegn policy anyway...much nicer to eachother this time...both sweated a lot,LOL

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    movingoutposted 11 years ago

    A debate of agreeing with the POTUS. Call it anyway you want, but Romney backed down and agreed, or simply doesn't have a working knowledge of foreign policy to offer any different plan.

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       KFlippinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Movingout . . . or moving on?  Romney did very well, Obama looked to the moderater with the intensely "begging eyes" for help so often it was sad, he wanted that liberal dude to help him, but Schaefer was not a Crowley, and he did not fold -- kudos to him!

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          tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          

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    movingoutposted 11 years ago

    Romeny reminded me of Gumby. He twisted and turned yet again. Difference this time is he agreed with the majority of the POTUS foreign policies. Romney looked scared and close lipped, afraid he would say the wrong thing. He showed his lack of knowledge of foreign affairs. Sorry, but I can see we will agree to disagree!

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    readytoescapeposted 11 years ago

    Romney easily out maneuvered the President and was much more diplomatic. In agreeing with some of the president’s polices, or more rightly goals (which are not much more than common sense and policies that have been in place for decades,) however he rightly criticized the methods of implementation or lack thereof.   
          Romney’s biggest Hammer, “We do not dictate to other nations we liberate them.” Obama was left with his mouth hanging open

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    movingoutposted 11 years ago

    lmao...you had it right the first time. He agreed with some (actually most) of the POTUS policies. Romney scares the daylights out of me!

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       tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       movingout, Did you notice that they sort of switched roles from the first debate...Obama was the clear winner, but I will say he should know more, he has been POTUS, and Romney did pretty good, because we all know he doesn't know much about foriegn policy...

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          tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          48% Obama...40% Romney

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       KFlippinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Scared you?  wow!!  The POTUS scares me, he looked intensely needy for the moderator to help him out of his smug scared face pasted on, must have been hard to hold that facial pose, but of course he has been practicing!!

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          movingoutposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          @Kflippin....lol, If the POTUS needed the moderator, Romney needed a foreign affairs expert to answer the questions for him. lol He looked completely out of his element. One where Romney is in total control and people bow to him as a business guru!

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    movingoutposted 11 years ago

    I did notice! Romney sounded like a parrot who rehearsed speaking points told to him during "debate training".  He went from far right to maybe if I agree with the POTUS more people will vote for me.

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       tammybarnetteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       

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    Sooner28posted 11 years ago

    Romney seemed to agree with Obama a lot.  It's weird considering Romney also called him weak.

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       JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Weak on some things, not weak on others.
       
       Is it really a bad thing to say your opponent has done some things right?

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          Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          In all seriousness, that is more or less what cost Kerry the election in 04....at least that was the perception.

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          Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Fox polling has Obama way ahead in winning the third debate.
          http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22/vo … al-debate/

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             JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Come on Josak, those internet polls mean nothing. Large partisan communities will target those polls. You can watch them swing drastically as a few hundred, or even a couple thousand people all come on to vote one side in a short time-frame. It's funny to watch, you can find the forums that do this, and they feel like they are somehow making a difference, when internet polls have a margin of error of ~101%.

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                Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                If you can find any proof a demographic is targeting then it's a valid rejection, otherwise and judging from the comments it seems to be genuine. Fox has a certain crowd hang around it anyway and it's not liberal.

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                   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                   Lol, ok. Go ahead and use an automatic poll that is not controlled for any factors, can be spoofed, spammed, and hacked, and gives absolutely no demographic information.
                   
                   By the way...
                   
                   http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021610297
                   http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/2 … te-w-Links
                   
                   Just two examples. Seriously, internet polls are worthless. Someone with a network of bots(you would be surprised) could force them all to spam a poll. One person could easily cast hundreds of thousands of votes.
                   
                   And before you say 'You're just being a sore loser', I haven't used ANY internet polls, from any of the debates. They are stupid.

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          Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Nope.  But if it undermines your fundamental claims to being "different" it is an issue.

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    Charles Jamesposted 11 years ago

    Jaxson -We can be buddies even if we support different candidates. You can recognise that a person has integrity even if they are currently or even permanently supporting the wrong views or the wrong candidate.
    It is the people who do not have integrity or intellectual clarity that are the real problem.
    
    Congratulations on your hub by the way!

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