Khrushchev told us.....

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   
   This is exactly what is happening and those who really like the taste have already become addicted.

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      Drive By Quipperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Russia never made it to communism. Mikhail Prokhorov ended up with all the gold and bought the New Jersey Nets.
      
      If you don't want the government to pick up the bill for the poor and oppressed, then light a fire under the church.

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         An AYMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I like your reply, gave me a good laugh!

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      Shinkickerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "Socialism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor" (John Pilger)

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      They fell first but had already put what they needed in place.  People need to wake up.  The US Communist Party endorsed who?  Think aobut what you are seing as the federal government hungers for more power and control over the citizens of this nation.

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      Wayne Brownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Krushchev spoke with the knowledge that our government was infiltrated with cockroach communist....especially at the State Department.  Joe McCarthy had been made to look like a fool in light of his hunt for the commies and the spines in Congress melted into the background leaving Joe to take the wrap.  Since that expansion has continued with a slow patient growth into the various sectors including education.  Under Obama, even the EPA is not immuned as it seeks more and more power over people rationalized on the basis of taking care of the environment.  The slimeballs are in power. ~WB

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         Getridameposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The EPA is not the enemy. Those who would destroy God's creation, and endanger employees and citizens for obscene profits are.

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      The Frog Princeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Good to see ya by the way barefoot.  The powers that be here wouldn't let me comment on your forums after that last dust up.  They have to protect tehir whiny baby liberal pals.

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         Drive By Quipperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         

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      Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      President Obama won the election. Hysterical assertions that he or his administration's policies are leading the country to communism won't change that fact however much you wish it so. It's done. The Democrats won. Move on.

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         Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It's been coming on for a long time and I AM a Democrat. You move on.

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            Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            No what's "coming on" is more paranoid, nonsensical bs. First Obama was a Muslim, then he secretly hated white people, then he was't even an American citizen, now he's ushering in a new era of communism (which  we also heard in 2008).
            
            And what evidence pray tell do you present for this communist take over? A 50 year old quote from the leader of Soviet Russia (no bias there then) and a statement from you saying "it's happening".
            
            Personally I'd be more concerned about rampant capitalism, and how profit motive can be reconciled with social responsibility. That's not easy. The zealots on Wall St get very angry when people threaten their profit.
            
            Get real and take that tin hat off.

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               Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Yes....those evil rich folk.
               You know like the ones in Congress.
               7 out of 10 richest are Democrats.
               What are we going to do about that?

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                  Don Wposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope. Why is everything an extreme? Capitalism as an economic system has issues. That doesn't make it (or wealthy people) "evil". Just means those issues need to be addressed. And if you like quotes so much here's one for you:
                  
                  "This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyses needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."  - Eisenhower
                  
                  Don't be paralysed by "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified" fear.

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                  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Many of those people... like the President... are willing to pay more taxes. It's the ones who want more and more tax cuts and have NOT created any jobs.

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      Onusonusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         

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      wba108@yahoo.composted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It bothers me when conservatives label Obama a socialist because he has no desire for the government to take control of the means of production. It is true that Obama is no friend of free markets and would rather politicians and bureaucrats make the primary decisions about the economy.
      
      What Obama wants is government control of the economy while allowing the ownership of the means of production to be left in private hands. This allows the government and politicians to experiment with the private sector and conveniently blame the private sector when thier ideas fail, which they almost always do!
      
      If the government owned the means of production they would have to take responsibility for thier failed policies. That's why, this scenario is avoided like a plague by liberals, including the Obama administration. This is why Obama's policies are dare I say more fascist than socialist. Fascist in the sense that they allow private ownership of the means of production while tightly controlling the private sector through regulation.
      
      Mussolini, the founder of fascism was widely admired by the left in the 1920's and many on the left considered him a man of the left. In the 1930's fascism fell out of favor with the left they verbally transferred this type of totalitarian dictatorship to the right. Mussolini was one of the leading socialists in Europe and greatly  admired by vladimir lenin and the Soviet Union was one of the first nations to acknowledge fascist Italy. Many American progressives, leftists also admired Mussolini as did a number of leaders in the FDR'S so called brain trust. The Democratic New York governor Al Smith ran against FDR in 1932 and later referred to the "New Deal" as fascist tract, similar to Mussolini's Italy.
      
      According to Economist Thomas Sowell- "What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people -- like themselves -- need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat."

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         Drive By Quipperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You are mistaken about our president.
         
         What could be more socialist than emptying out the federal treasury to float failing New York financiers like George W. Bush did?

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            wba108@yahoo.composted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I agree with your sentiments about GWB's bailouts, they we're socialist!

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      Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      
      Hello, Ms. Fae. I respect your opinions about the future of this country but your haste to accept any quotation to justify your theories is actually a challenge to your credibility. I am sorry to tell you that there is no record of Nikita Khrushchev ever saying those words.
      
      In a speech before the 1954 National Convention of the American Legion, Francis Cardinal Spellman gave credit to Vladimir Lenin for saying, “First, we will take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then we will encircle the United States which will be the last bastion of capitalism. We will not have to attack. It will fall like an overripe fruit into our hands.” However, the Cardinal, like you, was mistaken. {1} The last two sentences have also been wrongly attributed to Khrushchev.
      
      It is interesting to note that the image of falling fruit is clearly American. John Quincy Adams, in a letter to Hugh Nelson in 1823, stated “If an apple, severed by the tempest from its native tree, cannot choose but fall to the ground, Cuba, forcibly disjoined from its unnatural connexion with Spain, and incapable of self-support, can only gravitate towards the North American Union.” Again, in an 1854 essay “Annexation,” Parke Godwin asserted, “The fruit will fall into our hands when it is ripe, without an officious shaking of the tree. Cuba will be ours … in due season, without the wicked impertinence of war.”
      
      Thanks, Fae, for providing the “quote” just the same. It is common for Americans not to understand the differences between Communism, Socialism, and Social Responsibility. {2}
      
      {1} Boller, Paul F. and George, John H., They Never Said It, (1999)
      {2} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_responsibility

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         Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think it came from this:
         
         http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blo … Quote.7174
         
         
         That's pretty close.

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            Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            According to wikiqoute just another thing he did not say and as mentioned when Khrushchev says socialism he doesn't mean what you think he means so it's entirely meaningless. Socialism from his perspective is collectivization, worker seizure and agrarian reform all things that a certain founding father favored but none that are happening in modern America.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   I can't find a reputable source for the "quote".

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It's Nikita Khrushchev......that's the source.
      And yes...he said it.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   It is EXACTLY what is not happening. It is the supremacy of capitalism all around the world. Had socialism be part of the American culture poverty would not prevail in an economical power. Northern countries are perfect examples of socialism. When you don't know your subject, it is better not to refer to it.

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Congratulations....you are falling for it hook line and sinker.

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         maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I fell in it and I'm swimming in it with pleasure! Why don't you advance a sustainable argumentation instead of referring to one of Khrushchev's quote that dated from the 60's? In what way the US is a socialist or communist country?

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            Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You tell me. You are the expert here.

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               Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               The US is probably the least "socialist" major nation in the world. More to the point the communist interpretation of what socialism means is very different, they have a different definition here so it means something else entirely.
               
               Dictionary definition for you:
               
               so·cial·ism
               
               noun /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ 
               
                   A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole
               
                   Policy or practice based on this theory
               
                   (in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism
               
               When Khrushchev made the comment (if he actually did) as a Marxist he would have been using the second definition which is not the same definition of socialism that is use in the US.

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                  Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  None of that matters if what is happening in the statement is happening and it is happening.
                  You can call it frozen yogurt if you like.

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            Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Every time I see on of those cute little masks I know someone else has been fooled.
            The mask means you don't want anyone else to know who.

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      Drive By Quipperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Socialism ain't all that. It never works.

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   awareposted 11 years ago

   sooner we get past this money thing ,this fictitious prompt called economy,  the better off we will be. we are being smothered to death  by lack of fairy tale tender  our potential stifled due to a lack of funding.
   economy's falling? that's not fortune telling   that's a ruskie stating the obvious before his down fall.

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   Exactly. I am entitled to anonymity like you! Is it the base of your argumentation, or are you scared to ridicule yourself? Don't worry, I understand you. Many people say nonsense and you are part of them, aren't you? I will show you how CUTE I am!

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you are too deluded to see what you are in i am not the one with the problem. Go ahead and rail away....

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         BloodRedPenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Deluded is the word Barefoot. These liberals were brainwashed in our educational system. To believe the cold war ended and the Soviet fell. They have blinders on. They don't see Vladimir Putins recent comment about Russian military power  and a submarine spotted off the east coast.

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      Drive By Quipperposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Go get 'em tiger.

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   Tell you what folks..being that I am not that hard to get along with..if those labels disturb you then you insert any other one or none at all. Those things are still happening.

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   eternals3ptemberposted 11 years ago

   Oh God! I never knew! Next thing it'll be commune farms and economy of scale public top-down directed factories!

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   eternals3ptemberposted 11 years ago

   Capitalism is so firmly entrenched in America that anyone claiming that socialism is a threat is delusional.
   
   I hear people bitching about Communism and business and liberalism and free market and the problem is that people don't know anything about them until they get called out and have to google, cut and paste the definition as if they disproves what was clearly displayed from their previous argument, that is, they have no clue what they are talking about.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Most of the people who yell socialism don't even know what it means.

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      An AYMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If I could highfive your response I would, but current technological limitations being what they are... I can't.

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   An AYMposted 11 years ago

   I'm curious where all these wild arm-flailing conspiracy fears come from.  Did you somehow fall asleep and then wake up in a perfectly contained and self-sustaining Communist community in America?

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    Robephilesposted 11 years ago

    I hope this is how the GOP chooses to run future elections. 
    
    "Caring about the poor is a slippery slope to communism." 
    
    "Government education and environmental regulation is a problem." 
    
    "McCarthy was right!" 
    
    That sounds like an awesome platform!  You guys run on that and we'll see you in two years and again in four.

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    Drive By Quipperposted 11 years ago

    It's worse than you think. Ronald Raygun. the best actor to ever play president,  convinced the media that the cold war is over. Sure, the wall came down, but haven't you ever heard of the strategy "one step back, two steps forward"? The cold war isn't over, and Raygun opened the floodgate for industry to move to China. He also took the federal cap off of interest rates (9%) and legalized white collar crime. My hero!
    
    Bedtime for Bonzo! http://youtu.be/_zHN4vCfwh4

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    Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

    
    
    The gist of what that statement tells us.

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       eternals3ptemberposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Res too low

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