Nope..there's no war on Christmas. Nope.

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   Barefootfaeposted 11 years ago

   http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_221339 … ex-newhall
   
   I got in hot water with the liberals here a couple of weeks ago for making the OP something they found offensive. This article underlines why I made that statement.

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      Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Of course there is a war on Christmas, there is a war on everything Christian! Can't have a nativity scene because its not fair, might insult another religion or an atheist.

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      Lwelchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The war on Christmas has been going on for years.  Puritans hated the holiday and wanted it banned.  There have been other protestant religions that have wanted it banned throughout the years as well because Christ's birthday isn't in the bible.  The Catholic view is simply that it is a day that we have chosen to think of Christ's birth.  They do note that there are many origins to the actual date of Christmas and that Christ's Mass is celebrated at that time of year even though his birthday was likely at a different part of the year.
      
      It is very interesting to read the history of Christmas and of the battle for Christmas.  I recommend a book named "The Battle For Christmas" or the section on Christmas in "Catholic Customs & Traditions: A Popular Guide"

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   Greekgeekposted 11 years ago

   This is from a British newspaper watching all the hoo rah about the "War on Christmas" in America from the part of a third party observer, including debunking of a lot of the misinformation out there. Worth a read:
   
   http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … NTCMP=SRCH

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      Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Nope, really wasn't worth a read. Just more denial.

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      Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Uh-huh.
      
      Did you even read the article I linked to or did you just react?
      You should read the article. This event occurred.

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think the article is about one company that is incompetent.  They don't understand the law they think they are enforcing.
         
         Mostly the war on Christmas gang are pursuing a war on people who want to celebrate holidays generically.  But the tree is a generic symbol that predates Christian traditions--so it should not be banned in any public space by anyone with half a brain.

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         SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You do realize that there have been several organizations (across Europe) to fight all the anit-American and anit-conservative American bias in the foreign news reports correct? That is why it always makes me laugh when people on here say "oh I don't get my news from America, I rely on all foreign news." It has been proven to be so biased it isn't even worth a look.
         I did look at your article though. What they claim "never happened" actually did indeed occur so I'm unsure why they are trying to claim otherwise.
         Other than the fact that it was the tree at the Capital that was re-named not the WH tree, the other stories when researched have proven to be a fact. Sure, AFTER protesting and outcries they came up with some lame excuse to cover up what they did or reverse their decision, they did indeed occur though.
         I might also add that trying to dispel the War on Christmas and claim it is non-existent is something that particular news rag does every year. If there is no war, why do they feel the need to keep trying to loudly deny it every single year?

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            PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            "It has been proven to be so biased it isn't even worth a look."  Would love to see this proof.  About foreign news, that is.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I did read it and see it as one manager being a moron, not obviously a skirmish in anything that a sane person would compare to a war.

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               SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/20 … _on_a.html
               
               http://virgomonkey.wordpress.com/tag/eu … edia-bias/
               
               http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/bbc-ad … ican-bias/
               
               http://wn.com/how_european_media_damages_america

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                  PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  A few bloggers with videos is not proof of bias.

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                     Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm always amazed that liberals who pull facts out of thin air (as you did concerning drug use) are never satisfied with proof from the right.

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                        PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Eh, they are not out of thin air, but I am not interested in doing a tit-for-tat on drug studies. We'd be here all day.  At least your evidence was an actual study.

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                           Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           As opposed to your thin air approach!

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                        psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I am amazed that you think this general human habit ('confirmatory bias') is not universal.

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                           PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Stop trying to be rational when two ideologues are pretending to argue.  It's a waste of time.  [wink]

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                        Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh no because you didn't get it from one of their approved sources.

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                     SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     From one of the links, straight from the mouth of the BBC. Did you even watch the videos? They contain the actual news reports in various countries of Europe.
                     
                     Let's just stick to the article from the great fact reporter "cough" the Guardian then.
                     
                     Point #1: "Birmingham never replaced Christmas with Winterval"
                     
                     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/210672.stm
                     No they didn't ban Christmas, they just tried to get people to use a "different" name.
                     
                     Point #2: "A US Texas school district did not ban wearing red and green clothing"
                     Nope. It actually banned bringing red and green plates and napkins to a "holiday" party. I might add, the same district just lost in a lawsuit claiming religious discrimination.
                     
                     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plano_Inde … l_District (yes, I know icky wikipedia but it does have all the information rather than bunches of links regarding this particular school district)
                     
                     point #3: Gap did not ban the word Christmas.
                     As it turned out, a GAP official said they used the word "holiday" and Christmas is never mentioned, however, they did use the word Christmas in one of their ads. They may not, but there are numerous companies (wal-mart was one) that do. Wal-Mart has since reversed its decision.
                     http://www.wnd.com/2005/11/33364/
                     
                     The rest are just the same. Those instances did occur though someone got one thing wrong here or there, or they use the GAP because that one was incorrect, when the actual instance of the word being "discouraged" by companies is actually accurate.
                     This is the type of biased reporting you get

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            Kathryn LJposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sassysue, have you ever heard of the old switcheroo?  Whilst they're banging on about this kind of seasonal rubbish, they are distracting from far more important things.  Like what's going on in Palestine for example.  Now there's an ironic Christmas story for Christians to get their teeth into.

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               Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, everything they say must be a biased because it points out problems with their opinions and states facts.

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                  SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  UW really? No it is biased because it claims things that DID occur, did NOT occur in order to plant THEIR opinion into the heads of those such as yourself. See how nicely it worked too?

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                     Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Things that happened in the minds of conspiracy theoriests or real things?

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                        SassySue1963posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        It's not a conspiracy. It's an attitude of discrimination that is perpetuated because people such as yourself see no wrong in it or simply deny its existence.

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                           Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           See it all has been couched in "Fox News conspiracy theories" so when it actually happens they can feel all fuzzy if they ignore it.

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                           psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           The cause of denial is selective attack.  Different media have different biases for different reasons.  You have to be critical of all of them or risk being ignored because you are, well, biased.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't even know what bias we are talking about here.
                     
                     What we have is some asshat telling the old folks they can't have a tree.  Probably because he doesn't know trees are not Christian in their symbolism.
                     
                     Maybe is is trying to be inclusive in some misguided way.  Most likely he is as officious as he is stupid.
                     
                     I see no one here defend his actions and see them as beside the point when it comes to the usual Xmas-War-2012 nonsense.

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                        Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        They moved on to bias in foreign news reports about the US.

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                           psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh, well.
                           
                           Media is biased universally because it is an activity made up of people (SEE: conformational bias).

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                        Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        He is quite obviously doing it out of a sense of political correctness that comes from only one direction......
                        and Sassy Sue was good enough to prove this does not happen in  just one place with one idiot.
                        He was also making them take down manoras so he is an equal opportunity offender.

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                        Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        In your mind its inclusive to exclude someone?

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                  Kathryn LJposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm not saying that it doesn't happen or that people aren't entitled to their opinions.  It's just that it's not that important is it?  Christmas will always stay as the institution that's it's been for the last couple of hundred years.  What you really need to watch out for is Christian fundamentalists.  Last time that lot got their mits on the government of England, they banned it and even made eating mince pies against the law.  Then after a few years, the English came to their senses and Christmas was restored.  The fun police then bought a one way ticket to a far away place.  Where was it again?

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      Kathryn LJposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well I read it Greekgeek, and I think it's hilarious.  As if Christmas would be banned, half the mail order companies would go bankrupt overnight.  Grow up people!

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   paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago

   Paradigmsearch hereby declares himself pro Christmas.
   
   And that's the name of that tune...

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   Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago

   Certainly not a smart move on the part of the management. Funny when so many born again Christians are against Christmas trees because they are seen as pagan.
   
   However, this does not stop people from celebrating Christmas their own way.. The same with people saying Happy Holidays does not stop people from celebrating Christmas. Or not having nativity scenes in front of court houses does not stop them from putting them on their or their church's property.

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   Repairguy47posted 11 years ago

   Is this really that hard to understand? Liberals will do anything to make the world secular, liberals seem to think Christians/Muslims/Jews are at the heart of the worlds problems. They never see that its their actions that produce problems.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Again, not all atheists and people for separation of chuch and state are liberal.

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         Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Didn't say they were, I said liberals want a secular world. Maybe some others do as well, doesn't change what I said!

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      Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I thought Jesus was a Liberal?

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         Barefootfaeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus is neither a Liberal nor  a Conservative.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Oh - right.

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         Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         He is, some liberals do good things, most don't.

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            Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            So then why do people who believe in Jesus align with the GOP?

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               Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Liberals can be Christians too, didn't you know that. And since conservatives give more to charities it just makes sense they would align themselves with a giving man.

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                  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Eh....
                  
                  I can't imagine Jesus would be pleased with the average Christian conservative....something about loving everyone and stuff that most of them just don't get.

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                     Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Maybe not, that's why they ask for forgiveness!
                     
                     Bless you my child.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The barefoot thing sez otherwise. Most huh? You must know a lot of them to say that.

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               Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I sure do, they are also known by their actions.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   I am sure that what Jesus thought bears no sensible relation to modern party political divisions. It's like asking what which animal Noah would choose to save from the flood, Hello Kitty or Snoopy.

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      Repairguy47posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Snoopy of course.

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   Kathryn LJposted 11 years ago

   You see guys, this is what comes of making Christmas all about religion.  You've all started arguing and falling out.  What happened to good will to ALL men?  (and presumably other genders.  Or perhaps not that would just get you all going again.) 
   
   By the way, I was really disappointed that you lot didn't rise to the bait of Christian puritanism ruining Christmas (because some of you were from America).  I was joking by the way, the English did invent Puritanism after all.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   I don't find a war on Christmas, although there is definitely a war on the publicly funded religious observance of the day.  Christmas started as a pagan observance and has, to a large degree, become more and more of a secular holiday over the years. 
   
   To have a private company deny a group of residents a christmas tree because the spelling of the word includes the word Christ is foolish indeed, but it is a small part of the backlash of being PC and bending over backwards to placate all religions (plus atheism for you purists out there) at the same time.  It can't be done.
   
   Were I a resident there I would vocally encourage every resident to put an "Xmas" tree in their room and let the owners know you are looking for a new place to live.  File a complaint.  Start a petition, striving for a signature from every resident.  Ask Jews, Witnesses or other religions to write a note saying they don't mind.  Nip this in the bud before it spreads to cover ever more PC crap as owners try to please everyone at the same time and that goes for every other attempt to curb the observance of a much beloved holiday because "it is Christian".  It's not.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 11 years ago

   at the OP....what about the NDP?....
   
   anyway...basically i don't give a shite what someone's political stance or religious affiliation is in Canada.....Christmas is a tradition....that can't be taken away from families that celebrate that tradition....as for me these days...bah humbug...but, that's just me right now.....   

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      Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Is someone trying to take away your ability to celebrate Christmas?

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