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   tirelesstravelerposted 11 years ago

   “Driven from every other corner of the earth, freedom of thought and the right of private judgment in matters of conscience direct their course to this happy country as their last asylum."
   — Samuel Adams , in a speech delivered in Philadelphia, Aug. 1, 1776
   
   I just read an article about a pastor who was invited to participate in the inauguration to feature his work on ending human sex trafficking.  His invitation was rescinded because someone found out he believed that marriage was between a man and a woman.   
   
   Apparently it is fine to have opinions in the U.S.A. as long as you agree with the media and those in power. Apparently working to protect women and children escape the sex trafficking  is politically correct, but you can't believe in the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian definition of marriage.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If that pastor had said Mao Tze Tung was his favorite philosopher he might have stayed or at least he'd have a chance at being White House Communications Director! Or if he had performed songs about killing our troops, or policemen, or degrading women using a lot of foul language he'd have been in like flint...they certainly wouldn't be able to find anyone better than that ! according to past history of this administration anyway.
      
      Hi Brenda!

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      JayDeckposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Am I to understand that you believe that this Pastor's free speech rights have been denied? I'm not sure speaking at the inauguration is a right. It seems to me that, if the administration in power disagrees with the good pastor, they did the right thing, much as I would expect the other party to do were it their inauguration.
      As far as the marriage issue, I find that it is interesting that constitutionalists will defend the US Constitution against any number of alleged threats from the left, but when it comes to marriage or immigration we need a new amendment  to circumvent  the 14th Amendment.

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         tirelesstravelerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What I think has been denied the pastor is civility. It is harsh to be uninvited to a party regardless of who you are or what your beliefs.

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Would you like to substantiate this story an any way, so we can see who decided to do what about what?  A name, a place, single fact? Or are we meant to just agree with you based on faith in your insight and wisdom?

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         tirelesstravelerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you for asking.  I have been waiting for someone to ask.  Here is the feed from the Huffington poste: 
           http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1 … 68824.html

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   Brenda Durhamposted 11 years ago

   Yep, it's pretty sad.   Very typical of the current Administration.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Lawrence O'Donnell, Jr. an American political analyst, journalist, actor, producer, writer, and host of The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell, a weeknight MSNBC opinion and news program says the search for a new pastor will be a tricky task for the committee, re-framing it as, “In other words, we will ensure that whoever delivers the benediction rejects the same parts of the Bible that President Obama rejects and most Democrats reject, even though every word of the Bible is the word of God.”
      So acccording to the MSLSD journalist the administration needs to look for a "pastor" who like President Obama and the Democrats rejects parts of the Bible. Good luck with that, a pastor who rejects parts of the Bible - oh wait, I know just who they want : 
      Please allow me to introduce him
      He's a man of wealth and taste
      He's been around for a long, long year
      Stole many a mans soul and faith
      And was round when Jesus Christ
      Had his moment of doubt and pain
      Made damn sure that pilate
      Washed his hands and sealed his fate
      He's pleased to meet you
      Hope you guess his name
      But what's puzzling you
      Is the nature of his game
      
      Well, if anyone knows where to find him it's someone in this administration.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Hi back at ya, Dont Taze Me Bro!
         
           In Obama's Administration,  the needle in the haystack would be the conservative instead of a radical Leftie.   Matter of fact, I don't think there even IS a conservative in or anywhere near his group......
         I'm sure they won't have any problem finding a "suitable" replacement to kiss Obama's feet at the Inauguration.

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            Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            LOL!
            
            Blame the conservatives for not joining Obama's cabinet or being "a part of his administration".
            
            The GOP has gone out of its way to rescind support for programs that they themselves once advocated for years.
            
            You Obama haters make reasonable conservatives everywhere look bad.

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               Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You are good at making vague accusations - name some and we'll look at the facts, or are facts something you like to leave out ofyour rants?.

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                  Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I could, but conservatives tend not to have a need for them.....

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                     Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Good answer - I can tell you are a real intellectual! I'm not going to discuss anything with you, I'd be outgunned for sure.

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                        Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Good one....did Rush Limbaugh come up with that for you?
                        
                        In all seriousness though.....tell me where I'm wrong on that statement...

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                           Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm not Bro, but I sure can tell you where you're wrong on the statement you refer to.
                           I'm a conservative, a Republican, and my views of Obama and etc.  are indeed based on facts.   We (conservatives) have need of facts.   It has been liberals who seem to not need or want facts, even when those facts are readily visible.   Or else they (many of them) do know the facts and just don't give a whit.   Either way,  they're doing America a disservice in the long run.

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                           Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Hey Brenda, I got this one :-)
                           Cody, "In all seriousness" ?- you don't have an ounce of seriousness in you or you would  have answered my simple question - "name some and we'll look at the facts, or are facts something you like to leave out of your rants?" You can't even give one example of your claim because you are all bluster, a cornucopia of talking points and misinformation and a coward to boot or you'd jump at the chance to demonstrate one example of what you claimed which is
                           "The GOP has gone out of its way to rescind support for programs that they themselves once advocated for years."
                           That's why I ask the question ...name one instance?  You can't because you are simply a mouth piece for propagandists. You ask, "Tell me where I'm wrong on that statement?" You are incapable of citing one instance of where YOU think you are right so there is nothing to conclude except that you are wrong or just incapable of supporting your statements with facts - which in most forums makes you a liar or in incompetent delusional jack ass and I'm not the jack ass whisperer.

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                              Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              "you are simply a mouth piece for propagandists...."
                              
                              Am not!
                              
                              "which in most forums makes you a liar or in incompetent delusional jack ass..."
                              
                              Fair warning, that kind of language will get you suspended/banned from the forum if anyone reported you.
                              
                              "You can't even give one example of your claim because you are all bluster..."
                              
                              Maybe, but you are probably better served proving my point wrong if you're going to spend so much energy ranting.

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                                 Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 "energy ranting?" Calling a spade a spade takes no energy - weaving a web of lies, well you know how that drains you when you can't produce anything to back up your lie, so then you have to revert to threats. Go ahead report me ifyou can't face the truth it'swhat I'd expect from you.- I certainly won't miss chatting with the likes of you and I'm past done here anyway - good ridance.

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                                    Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    I think you're just mad because you know I'm right...

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   tillsontitanposted 11 years ago

   Whatever the facts of the administration I think its time for this country to PRAY!  Just when I think I've heard  it all I read something like this.  LOVE and PEACE.  What is wrong with our administration...oh I know the Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, Radical....they're all to blame.  They have no conscience and no true belief in God.  If they did, they wouldn't pick and choose who's right and who's wrong, morally, they would KNOW.  What happened to IN GOD WE TRUST?
   Okay, that's my rant.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And a good rant at that - we have to admit there is a flaw with our system of government, probably one we can never eliminate because mankind (republican, democrat, independent or any other party) is basically flawed and will never be able to completely set principle above self interest. That is just something that will never change although the USA has probably come the closest to doing it -- and still misses the mark by a long shot. Even God's chosen people failed miserably.

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      tirelesstravelerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Bravo!

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   WillStarrposted 11 years ago

   "Apparently it is fine to have opinions in the U.S.A. as long as you agree with the media and those in power."
   
   And that is the very definition of 'political correctness'...agree with the left on all things, or face demonization. Up is down and down is up, and we are being heavily pressured to accept things like redefining the meaning of marriage to include the agenda of normalizing homosexuality.

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   The Suburban Poetposted 11 years ago

   Does anyone know the process to appeal an executive order? I don't. Laws can be taken to the Supreme Court but if the President makes a change or an interpretation of the Bill of Rights what is the mechanism to stop it from going into effect?

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   WillStarrposted 11 years ago

   "Does anyone know the process to appeal an executive order?"
   
   It can be set aside in court, or Congress can refuse to fund its execution. He could also be impeached for violating his oath of office, and as a last resort, the citizens can take up arms and drive the whole lot out of office.
   
   Which is, of course, the whole point of the Second Amendment.

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   michiganman567posted 11 years ago

   Any pastor that got an invite from that bunch can't be much of a Christian anyway.  What business does a pastor have intermingling with Obama and his collection of godless socialists?  Does the Democrat party stand against anything that is wrong?  At the rate that they are descending into decadence, I wouldn't be surprised if mainstream candidates from the democrat party are openly defending pedophilia in the not so distant future.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Since Obama took Office, no, the Democrat Party doesn't stand against anything that's wrong.    Even Bill Clinton had enough sense to not go too far.   Back then he did anyway.   Not today.    Obama's audacity is the catalyst for change, alright;  just not the right kind of change.   It isn't even recognizeable as the Democrat Party anymore;  it has been made to morph into something else entirely.  Pandora's box has been opened, and the Left thinks they don't have to use their consciences anymore.

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      Dont Taze Me Broposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The sadest thing about it , thanks to the dumbing down of America in education and the media, standards are no longer existant, the double standard is the rule of the day and pandoring to the lowest common denominator for votes. Democrat buzz words like "fairness" and "equality" don't mean raise everyone up to a higher standard but drag those who succeed down to be equal with the masses who have their hand out to government - that's considered fair. They won't be happy until they turn prosperity of achievers into misery for all - that is their kind of equaity. They can't go too far, however or they'll killl the goose that lays the golden eggs (capitalism), but just like a parasite needs to keep it's host alive they'll suck al they can out of it forthe welfare state short of destroying it.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Do you really find it strange that invitees to the biggest political event in 4 years would place politics very high (top) of the list to invite someone or not?
   
   A persons beliefs or character has nothing to do with attending such an event, only the political perception and interpretation that comes with an invite.  It is politics, after all.

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   WillStarrposted 11 years ago

   "Maybe, but you are probably better served proving my point wrong if you're going to spend so much energy ranting."
   
   
   Was this your 'point'? :
   
   "Good one....did Rush Limbaugh come up with that for you?"

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      tsadjatkoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I read that conversation - painful to even read...It's obvious he has no point - he just makes stuff up and then demands you prove it is not made up - not the sharpest knife in the drawer. But if he has a point I think you nailed it Will.

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    WillStarrposted 11 years ago

    I have come to realize that for the most part, the liberal notion of a reasoned, thoughtful argument is nothing more than childish snark, ridicule, personal attacks, and shouts of derision.
    
    They are simply incapable of presenting a cogent argument.

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       tsadjatkoposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       That is because their feelings trump facts! Their definition of facts is any information that supports their point of view, whether it is true or not and if shown by you it is not true instead of showing character and admitting a mistake they choose to make you out to be a bigot or an extremist who wants children, the elderly and the handicapped to die (Obama just said as much on TV) or you worship the evil Rush Limbaugh (or other conservatives they have never listened to in their pathetic lives) anything to keep from dscussing the truth. That is the rule. There are exceptions to every rule but I have yet to meet this one...but, well, what does this have to do with guest speakers? :-) Sorry.

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    adjkp25posted 11 years ago

    Is this about Louie Giglio?  If so here are a few quotes from him on the issue, if anyone is wondering what he has said about it.
    
    "due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15 to 20 years ago, it is likely that my participation and the prayer I would offer will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration. Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.
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    ”Neither I, nor our team, feel it best serves the core message and goals we are seeking to accomplish to be in a fight on an issue not of our choosing, thus I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President's invitation."

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