The Secret Life of Climate Change Trolls

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  1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
    Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago
    1. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LOL.
      Hoyt should've never trusted those two trolls in his house.
      Yes, they're the trolls, not him.
      Sorry.

    2. Silverspeeder profile image60
      Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Governments love climate change, it increases their tax collecting ability.

      1. e-five profile image94
        e-fiveposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Private corporations (particularly multi-national dirty energy conglomerates) love to distort scientific information to deny climate change, it increases their trillions in profits.

        1. bBerean profile image60
          bBereanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          "Global warming" has been an incredible cash cow, birthing the big "green" toilet and generating propaganda to propel both the environmental and socialist agendas.  It has provided a vehicle for bilking taxpayers of billions.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            But hasn't the cause of climate change been an incredible cash cow for the polluters?

            And again we have more private profit and even bigger public losses!

            1. bBerean profile image60
              bBereanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              No,  but a good job has been done marketing that line. Lucky for us I suppose that we have so many willing to "save" our environment. All they need from us is our freedom, property and money.  If they play the rhetoric right some fools might even say "thank you" when the dirty deeds are done.  Plenty of folks have been drinking the kool-ade.  I wonder if it was warm. wink

              1. Josak profile image60
                Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                What line? The Climate change is real and human affected line? Well that would be simple scientific fact.

                The people made lot's of money off reckless environmental damage line? Well that would be simple scientific fact too.

                There is no "line" just hard science and archeological proofs.

              2. HollieT profile image82
                HollieTposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Yep, look to the scholars, on either side. Climate change exists, the debate is not about whether it exists-but why.

                1. bBerean profile image60
                  bBereanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  It is being exploited as man made to imply it can be controlled by us, but all I see is a power grab.

                  1. HollieT profile image82
                    HollieTposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                    Maybe it's being exploited as natural cycles to ensure that polluters can continue to pollute and profit. Who profits most, polluters (deniers) or their opposition?

              3. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                Are you certain sure that climate change is a hoax?

                On what evidence do you base this conclusion?  Remember, "I just know" in't a satisfactory answer.

                1. bBerean profile image60
                  bBereanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  The hoax is that surrendering our freedom,  livelihood, property and tax dollars will solve anything.

                  1. Josak profile image60
                    Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                    Again scientific fact that the introduction 9compulsory or otherwise) of energy efficient technologies etc. will help ease the problem. It's already worked in many countries, the ones with the lowest carbon footprints per capita in the first world.

                  2. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                    No, that doesn't answer my question. Either produce your evidence or drop the subject.

    3. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So many people utterly ignorant of the hard science and willing to destroy what we will leave our children for a few bucks. Very sad.

      1. bBerean profile image60
        bBereanposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        It may seem inconvenient that not everyone is buying the green agenda's truth, but don't be discouraged.  Perhaps we will finally learn it now that Al's Jazeera is coming  to our local cable provider.

        1. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Hard science is not a version of the truth, it's simple fact is all.

          1. Ericdierker profile image44
            Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Josak, that is fallacy. The earth is flat was a scientific notion and yet it never was fact. The moon could not be reached was a scientific fact in 1836 but not by 1986. Science is a snapshot of what we know this second, it is not fact.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image66
              Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              Plenty of facts about climate change are well established by scientific measurements. It's true there is more to learn, but we know enough that we should be taking prudent measures before it's too late. It's quite clear that the climate at any point in time is a product of natural cycles AND the effects of greenhouse gases. Not much we can to about natural cycles, but we are capable of cutting back on CO2 if we put our mind to it.

            2. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              Firstly flat earth theory was never a scientific theory, truly it came about before the empirical scientific process by people just naturally assuming and the scientists who did investigate the theory found something else entirely. Secondly there is a big difference between supposing something and being able to categorically prove it experimentally as we can do with global warming.

              1. Ericdierker profile image44
                Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                And by your unassailable logic faith is valid for proof. We had proof that we could not fly to the moon. It was a fact. Now we have proof that we can. It is a fact.
                We have proof that climates change. We have facts that we can effect/affect that. Those are facts. Tomorrow that will change when a Volcano blows so high and so hard that climate is instantly changed and we cannot effect/affect that.
                Scientific proof is limited by current knowledge. Faith is not. I have faith that the climates will change, that will not change. I have fact and knowledge that we can effect/affect change,,,, that will change. As the Solar Flairs brought our temperatures to over 100 in May, which never happens, we may see cooling in August due to the Cholula Volcanic activity and resulting ash. Man is blind to his lack of impact. Climates change, get over it.

                1. Josak profile image60
                  Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Nope scientific experiment is proof.

                  Yes Volcanoes etc. can change the climate so can we, an asteroid could destroy the earth next month butt hat doesn't mean we should start dropping nukes everywhere. Climates do change, indeed massive volcanic activity has caused global warming before the consequence of which was mass extinction that almost exterminated all life on earth, now we are doing the same thing, getting over it would be pretty idiotic.

                  Being unable to reach the moon was never fact or scientific opinion btw so that is nonsense.

    4. Ericdierker profile image44
      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Well I certainly want my government to spend money to stop solar flares and volcanoes from erupting. But I do like the concept of climate change. If you think about it, the essence of climate is not the sameness but the patterns of change. ie cool in the morning, hot in the afternoon, rainy when there are clouds and sunny when there are not. If climates were always the same we would have no climates.

  2. HollieT profile image82
    HollieTposted 10 years ago

    It's quite funny isn't it? The distorters would love to have us believe that the debate is about whether climate change exists or not. When in fact, the real debate is not about whether the earth is warming, but whether the changes are man made or the result of natural cycles.

    I do wish people would look a bit deeper, and not just jump onto the bandwagon that "fits" their ignorance and misconceptions.

  3. e-five profile image94
    e-fiveposted 10 years ago

    Follow the freakin' money. 

    Can anyone say with a straight face that government (who some of the same people often say can't do anything at all with any efficacy) somehow got 99.98% of underpaid university researchers to advance fraudulent scientific information simply to jack up taxes, hurt ordinary people, and "limit freedom"? 

    Can anyone say with a straight face that glaciers aren't melting, that weather systems haven't been more severe lately, that bad farming practices didn't have any role in the Dust Bowl (e.g. proof of direct human effect on climate), that Exxon-BP-Shell and the coal industry doesn't have a vested financial interest in distorting information, that the dirty energy crowd isn't pouring hundreds of millions into campaign funds, or that a "green agenda" is more cumulatively powerful than commercial interests of the most profitable corporations on earth who want to maintain those profits at any cost?

    Please.  Either government is incompetent, or it's not.  It can't be both hopelessly inefficient AND capable of an intricate, nearly universal conspiracy involving almost every scientist on earth and supported by anecdotal evidence seen increasingly everywhere around us.  And enormous "free-enterprise" corporations can't be incredibly superior in every way to government while still being hapless victims of a clever yet sinister fraud perpetrated by a bunch of hippies and bureaucrats to impose damaging restrictions on people for the fun of it.

    1. John Holden profile image59
      John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      lol

      Well said.

    2. HollieT profile image82
      HollieTposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      THIS, in a very big way!

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        I can't wait to hear how the neigh sayers respond to this!

  4. profile image50
    Lie Detectorposted 10 years ago

    The earth needed to warm up after the iceage of the 1970's. Widespread  destruction from that iceage is still being felt.

    What? There wasn't an iceage in the 70s? How can that be, the scientist told us it was gonna get cold.

    Oh well, damn, starting to get hot.

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So many of you don't seem to realize that that argument actually defeats yours, that "ice age" (actually a slight cooling period) should still be going for the next ten years because of the sun's distancing, but instead the temperature has been rising or staying the same due to the greenhouse effect which is fine for now but we will soon enter a warming period...

      1. profile image50
        Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Does no such thing, there was no ice age as the experts predicted. All it proves is that those experts are just as wrong about Global warming (now changed to climate change to protect their selves) as they were about the ice age.

        1. John Holden profile image59
          John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Do you remember about twenty or so years ago, holes started to appear in the ozone layer affecting the climate.

          These holes were attributed to the use of CFCs in aerosols and refrigeration plants.
          They banned the use of CFCs in aerosols and enforced the contained capture of CFCs from refrigerators.

          The ozone holes repaired themselves.

          You of course will say purely coincidence, I will say, it might be coincidence but everything points to it being cause and effect.

          1. profile image50
            Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Actually I don't think about it at all.

            1. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              Didn't think you did.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image66
              Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              And you obviously don't read about it either.

        2. Josak profile image60
          Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          There was actually, if we remove the effect of the greenhouse effect the temperature dropped significantly. Arguing with science will just make you look the fool.

          1. profile image50
            Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            You may want to go back and look at those 1970's predictions.

            1. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              They were dead on, they wrote that solar shift would cause a drop in the earth's temperature. They got that dead right. The earths temperature was dropped by those factors but also raised by global warming. Of course their field was a totally different one to the field of research that would find that other factors would cause global warming.

              The frightening thing is despite that drop (even you can't be ignorant enough to argue that the sun being further away will cause a temperature drop) the global temperature has risen.

              1. profile image50
                Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this
                1. Josak profile image60
                  Josakposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Yup exactly as I said, scientists correctly predicted that the sun shift would cause global cooling, at the same time global warming rose the temperature. Scientists were right both times.

                  Also note that I love it when an author with no scientific knowledge whatsoever attempts to claim that people who actually have two braincells to rub together and knowledge+education on the topic are all wrong tongue

                  When looking for opinions on a subject maybe stick to people who know the subject big_smile

                  1. profile image50
                    Lie Detectorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                    Predicted an ice age, and it never happened.

        3. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          "Note that many of the oh-there-was-an-ice-age-predicted type articles tend to focus on non-science articles for their sources: newsweek, for example. This is cheating on their part. Newsweek isn't science, of course."

          http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/

          lol

  5. Mighty Mom profile image77
    Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

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    Here ya go. Hope this makes you happy!

  6. Mighty Mom profile image77
    Mighty Momposted 10 years ago

    Source:
    http://www.carbonplanet.com/climate#

    For those who reject the scientific claims, this is a global, BUSINESS-oriented
    company (not nonprofit). Because, as we all know, BUSINESSES are always right!
    lol

    Climate change does not equal global warming.

    Climate Change might involve a change in seasons, an increase in the average temperature, or an increase in precipitation each year. Climate must not be confused with weather, which is a short term phenomenon.

    Global warming results from an increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causing the surface of the Earth to become warmer by trapping heat reflected off the Earth. Climate change is an effect of global warming.

    The instance of a few cool or rainy days does not mean that global warming is not occuring. Climate change is exactly that, a change in climate. Climate is the weather patterns in a specific area, over a specific time period.

    An increase in the temperature of the Earth can change climate and weather patterns. There are many scientific predictions about the results and extent of climate change. Climate change might involve a change in seasons, a change in rainfall patterns, a change in temperature around the world, and more extreme weather events such as droughts, floods, and storms. A change in climate will affect people, plant and animal species, agriculture, industry and culture.

 
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