Are The Laws Done Away With?

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   Originplusposted 16 years ago

   Im reading the new testament and stumble across words of Jesus Christ that said "I did not come to destroy the law, but to fullfill." In Matthews Chapter 5.
   
   So I ask myself are the laws done away with? Because there are many religion that teach that they were, others teach they werent, others teach that Christ never came. So you have a bag full of opinions and interpretations. Obviously there  is one that is right and all others wrong. Now I'm not trying to start a riot, I'm just trying to see everybody's thoughts and thorough analyst of the issue. 
   
   Thanks
   OriginPlus

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      Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      It's not that obvious for me, though
      
      I tend to think there are as many truths as people - and that makes this world so interesting.
      
      In other words, whatever you believe is the truth for you, and all your believes form your reality - which is identical to my reality only to the extent of the believes we have in common...
      
      Did not mean to derail the thread, just couldn't let this go unchecked - sorry

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         Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Greetings Misha. Hope that we are of a humble and contrite spirit today. According to Roman 10: 1-3 it would be dangerously interesting to even thing about the “many truths” on the minds of everyday people around us. We read that there are people ignorant of God’s righteousness and will go about to establish their own righteous. So who’s righteousness is truth or do the “many truths” bear there own righteousness (Col. 2:8).

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            Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, Nathanael, I will be glad to talk to you if you try to use your own words. I don't feel qualified enough to talk on the level of quoting bible...

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               Peter M. Lopezposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               This does have the potential to be a great discussion, but I can't keep up.  By the time I read a post and think about replying, there's another post.  I'll wait and try to respond when I don't have to play catch up.

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               Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Come one brother! that the easy part quoting bible. The thing is not to lean toward your own understanding, but lean towards the Lord's understanding and he will direct your paths. We as people tend to get into strive and dessention as Paul did with the Sadducess and the Pharocess when we express our own understanding. So im sorry also, I will not use my own words. Please read Pro. 3:5-6

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               Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Cool out Misha, You are discrediting yourself. Staying in practice with the word of God is of a learning experience. Grab a bible and a note pad and read and take notes. Get in the routin with the Word. before you know it you will have the mind of Christ mentioned in Phillipians 2: 5.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings brother origin. I would not want to share my thoughts on the matter, but I would like to share with you and your thread visitors the mind of Christ Jesus. On the subject matter of Matthew 5:17; you ask yourself, are the laws of God done away with? No sir Mr. Origin, they’re not! Romans 3: 31 “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” Look at Rom. 13: 8-10 and then flip a few pages back and look at Romans 7: 12, 14, 25. Peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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   Peter M. Lopezposted 16 years ago

   Great question, origin.  I think this question causes as much division among Christians as any question.  The law is unending, yet fulfilled.  Here's an analogy.  You borrow money from a bank, so you owe the bank.  You owe forever until the debt is paid.  When your debt is paid in full, your obligation is fulfilled.
   
   The restoration of our "right" relationship with God can only occur through a restoration of our righteousness.  This was impossible through the law, and that is among the primary lessons of the Old Testament.  The New Testament, on the other hand, is an offer to have your debt wiped clean.  When Jesus says, "but to fulfill," I believe He meant to "Pay in Full."
   
   I know other Christians will disagree with this interpretation, and I hope they share as well.

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      SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe Jesus meant that he will pay our debts in full, but rather that he will hold back the full payment of the Law (the full consequence of the Law that was broken) so we can work it out, (pay our debt), by following His examples of how to follow the Law until we get it completely right. I think that is what he meant by "fulfilling the Law". How could we become "like Him" if He does all the work for us?  It is a learning process.

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         Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Sparkling Jewel! I see where you at with your statements. Jesus death puts us under his grace for us to fulfill our part and that’s keeping his law. Sinners were stoned for sinning and had no chance to do right by faith or no grace to repent, until Jesus came to give us life. Remember the Sabbath breaker picking up sticks on the Sabbath (Num. 15: 32-35). Remember the adulteress brought to Jesus without the adulterer (John 8:3-11).  They were candidate for stoning. But, where was the adulterer (the man) in this setting. Jesus knew man was not worthy of judging others because they were sinful themselves.  John 8:11 and John 5:14 lets us know we are not to sin no more, lest when we do, a worst thing come on us (probly not stoning). This tells us we are to continue in the laws of God, keep the commandments, under grace that allows us to do so. And if we sin > 1 John 2:1-2. And for the law, we are doers of them (James 1:25). And yes sister, this is a learning process because we are working toward perfection in receiving that glorious change in the likeness of God. Praise the Lord. Amen.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings brother Peter and family it’s very nice to share the mind of Jesus with you. The law is an everlasting covenant but we must define what has been fulfilled. The part that is fulfilled was Jesus coming in the flesh to die for the sins of the people. Read Isaiah 7:10-14 and Matthew 1: 22-23.  The Lord fulfilled his part, now we must continue to fulfill our part and keep the faith by our works Eph. 2:10. We know that faith without works is dead and our faith is shown by our works, James 2:18. Also read Heb.13: 20-21. Our works is hearing and doing his word, James 1:22. There are many works we must be doing, but let’s go one to the debt Jesus paid. His work is done concerning the flesh. The bible will tells us that Paul was a debtor to the people (Rom. 1: 14) which he kept the law through his faith. Therefore, we also see that we are debtors to do the whole law (Gal. 5:3), through our faith of course.
      Regarding the sacrificial law- it was impossible to restore our righteousness because it couldn’t take away sin (Heb. 10:1-2,4,8-10) (Heb. 8:7-8). Therefore, Jesus put those same laws written by Moses, in our heart and mine that we may do them and keep them as the apple of our eyes (Pro. 4:20-22).
      It has been a pleasure to share the word of God with you. Grace & Peace in Jesus name Amen.

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   Peter M. Lopezposted 16 years ago

   It's not my thread, but Misha you are always welcome.

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   Originplusposted 16 years ago

   Yea Peter, I see your point. I read in the Book of Hebrews where it said it was Neccesary for Christ to come to die for us because that first sacrifce wasn't able to make us clean. But Christ being a Perfect man -Son of God - was able to take away that cloak. I believe there was a seperations with the ordinances of the Law of sacrifice with the old and new testament. I think that was the hard thing for the pharisees to conceive the thought that it wasnt necessary any more to follow the law of moses, but rather follow a Man. Who indeed was the Christ. So its been a transition that takes place ever since his death.
   
   I see the point your bringin Misha, In terms of each individual - Paul said seek your own soul salvation with fear and trembling. So each individual will have their own faith in whatever belief they have, but as a congregation they all should be of one mind.
   
   These are some good points.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings again brother Origin. And your right, it was not possible for the bulls and goats to take away sin (Heb.10:4). I ask the question, was it the law of Moses or the law of God. When Moses finished writing there was nothing else to write. Where did Moses get those writings from? God had a mission for Moses to do in Exodus chapter 3, remember Moses was commissioned to lead the people. God gave Moses the “laws of God” to give to the children of Israel- see Exodus 25:22.
      
      Furthermore, if we are to seek our own soul salvation, we will be seeking for something to believe in. The verse I like to show you in Philippians 2:12 is “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
      If we WORK out our own salvation, we work for the hope of the promises in Christ Jesus. And his will and good pleasure works in as mentioned in Phil. 2:13.
      
      Listen at this brother Origin. You mentioned “Each individual will have their own faith in whatever belief they have, but as a congregation they all should be of one mind.” Different beliefs and ones own faith lets us know that their will be strive and dissension in the congregation. Now we know they should be of one mind, but I say that because to be of one mind you should be of one spirit in the faith of the gospel mentioned in Phil 1:27. If you hear of a  group of peoples affairs and they have many view points than they will not be likeminded (Phil.2:2). Remember the Sadducees and the Pharisees (Acts 23: 6-7); these guys were the spiritual counsel of the church. Go ahead, read it! They had two different beliefs. Their was division about the belief of the resurrection. Isn’t this one counsel that should be of one mind? Grace and peace brother Origin. My we continue to edify each other by the word of God in Jesus name. Amen.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      The laws of Moses or the laws of God?       Leviticus 18: 1-5   You decide!

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   Inspirepubposted 16 years ago

   Dividing the world into right and wrong, good and evil, was Original Sin (the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, remember?)
   
   Whenever you ask "who is right and who is wrong", you are sinning.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings sister Inspire. By the way, I like the meaning of your name. Just what to touch on a couple of issues. Look at who was originally in the Garden of Eden (Gen. 2: 8-9). Man, the Tree of Life, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I’m very curious to find the division there. We know the Lord said, don’t eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but we also see good and bad in this world sometimes in one setting. But are we not to discern from these things? Also, we are blessed to have the gift of discernment (1 Cor. 2: 1, 7-10) or we are discerners of spirits knowing both good and evil (Heb. 5:14). Let’s look at something else in 1 cor. 6:2- obviously somebody was wrong or unjust in a matter that needed some attention. We see the works of the flesh and the works of the spirit throughout the bible and we see those people of the bible giving attention to those issues or dealing with those situations. They had discernment about something. Does that make them sinners? If you have a case and point out the bible, please list a couple. Peace sister. May your inspiration be a light to others? In Jesus name. Amen.

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   Peter M. Lopezposted 16 years ago

   He doesn't do all the work for us.  Our obligation is faith.  Through faith, we are made righteous.  I think if Jesus meant He would hold back our debts He would have said something like that.  He said to fulfill.  I don't know how else to interpret that without putting words in His mouth.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Yes brother Peter, it is our faith in Jesus that justifies us and not our works alone. As we mentioned, Jesus fulfilled his part of prophecy in Isaiah. 7: 10-14 / Matt. 1:22-23. So we know that is done. The Lord said “It is finished”( John 19:30), right!  But there is much more prophecy the Lord is fulfilling through men and other things He will fulfill at his return (Matt. 5:18- “til ALL be fulfilled). For example; not to go astray, but Read Ezekiel 37. We know David is still dead and Israel has not been gathered, But chapter 37 will tell us David will be our king and Israel will be gathered, even in vs. 24 we still have to walk in the Lord judgments, statues and commandments and do them; or as brother Peter M. Lopez puts it, “the Law is unending.”  Thanks for reading brother. Peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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   helpdeskianposted 16 years ago

   What is the law that Jesus is referring to in Matthew? It seems to me he is referring to the 10 commandments. he goes on to talk about them in matthew.  So what he is saying is he is not disputing Gods words or any words of the prophets. He is here only to Follow those laws to fulfill the things asked of us in God's law.
   
   17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
   
   18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
   
   19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
   
   So other religions can try to do away with these laws, but as a christian we too must follow or fulfill the things asked of us in the 10 commandments.
   
   that's just my view.

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      Inspirepubposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      I may be hijacking a thread here, but doesn't this offer fairly incontroverible evidence that Jesus quite clearly DID NOT SAY that sinners would go to Hell?
      
      Seems to me he's saying they go to Heaven, but are called "least" when they get there.
      
      Which fits with my interpretation (and my understanding of some of the translation issues), but not with some of the fire-and-brimstone stuff we see from some posters to this forum.

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         Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Greetings once again sister inspire! I’m responding to both you and helpdeskian on the issue of who is called the “least in the kingdom.” Let’s look at a situation. And we should all be on the same mind set with this one because who can find in the bible in other places to give understanding about being least in the kingdom. OK. Let’s see where in the kingdom the law breakers are, that break the least commandments and teach men so. We remember the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16: 19-31. Abraham is the father of the faithful and he is in the kingdom with Lazarus. These verses in Hebrews, will prove that when the kingdom comes Abraham will be there (Hebrews 11: 8,17, 39-40). Now Abraham and Lazarus are not being tormented, but the rich man is. Look at the conversation the rich man is having with Abraham. Wow! I wonder where HELL is? Down, or in the kingdom. But anyway in between there conversation, there is a great gulf fixed, (Luke 16: 26) but none can CROSS OVER.  Keep in mind that this whole setting in Luke is future. You take it from sister inspire, and tell me what’s on you mind about this! May the Lord abound in our hearts and mind the understanding of God! Peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings once again sister inspire! I’m responding to both you and helpdeskian on the issue of who is called the “least in the kingdom.” Let’s look at a situation. And we should all be on the same mind set with this one because who can find in the bible in other places to give understanding about being least in the kingdom. OK. Let’s see where in the kingdom the law breakers are, that break the least commandments and teach men so. We remember the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16: 19-31. Abraham is the father of the faithful and he is in the kingdom with Lazarus. These verses in Hebrews, will prove that when the kingdom comes Abraham will be there (Hebrews 11: 8,17, 39-40). Now Abraham and Lazarus are not being tormented, but the rich man is. Look at the conversation the rich man is having with Abraham. Wow! I wonder where HELL is? Down, or in the kingdom. But anyway in between there conversation, there is a great gulf fixed, (Luke 16: 26) but none can CROSS OVER.  Keep in mind that this whole setting in Luke is future. You take it from sister inspire, and tell me what’s on you mind about this! May the Lord abound in our hearts and mind the understanding of God! Peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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   helpdeskianposted 16 years ago

   that was a great point.
   
   My only question would be about the rapture and how the judgment would play into this statement by Jesus. I suppose you could take it how it is written and say it doesn't say you will go to heaven just that you will be talked about or "called the least" by people in heaven.  I can't believe I never noticed what he was saying there.
   
   I am not enough of a biblical scholar to even begin to understand the meaning of that line.
   But I look forward to others input.

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      sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Don't become anything like a scholar or preacher cause the truth is, and it is the total truth, that you need to know God in your own way,  God reflects upon the things that are in your heart.  When you are a believer don't let anyone define how you should believe in God, who you should believe God is, or what God wants, because these days being in good faith is knowing who you are to God and not letting anyone change your mind because doing so will turn you into a hater. 
      
      The Bible can tell you a lot of things, but it can not tell you how you should love God.  There are no conditions to Unconditional love,  Jesus did not come to condem people, and there are no laws defining who you are in the eyes of God.  Who you are in the eyes of God is who you want to be and God will love you more for every bit of yourself that is not a liar.
      
      Don't be like the ones the Bible calls hypocrites.  These are the people who repeat scripture as though they are playing a role, it's right under thier nose the things that certain people do but they boast so much about it that they can't come off thier horses long enough to figure out that "they" are everything Jesus told them not to be.  The saddest part about it, is that they will probably never humble themselves enough to see it. 
      
      You know what Love is, go create Love.

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         Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Greetings sister Sandra. How is your day? Let me know please. I would like to take this time to express 2 Tim. 3:16 to you. For the most part we hope your week was a marvelous and safe one. Look at some of your statements and read some of the bible verses we put beside them.
         “God reflects upon the things that are in your heart.” Rev. 22:12 / Ecc. 12:14
         “The bible can tell you a lot of things, but it can not tell you how you should love God.” John14: 15 / John 15: 10 / Pro.4:4.
         “There are no conditions to Unconditional love.” If- 1Jn. 4:20-21/If- 1Jn 5:1-3/If- Rev. 22:18-19
         “Jesus did not come to condemn people.” Matt. 10:34-38/ 2Thes. 2: 10-12
         
         Grace & Peace in Jesus name.

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            sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Hey there!  I am very good, thanks for asking.  Yes, if you love God, you can show it by keeping the comandments.  I do live by those rules the 10 commandments.  By how to love God I was refering to what God means to you, what God is to you, how much time you want to dedicate to God, as in worship I guess or that a good prayer isn't a rehersal prayer, but a real one with your thoughts and heart attached to it, being who you are to God.  I disagree with anyone who defines Jesus as a person whom they souly base thier forgiveness on.  I mean, I love that Jesus did that and all, but I don't think it is an excuse to go and do mean or rotten things and then think well Jesus will forgive me.  Whether it is truely like that or not,  I in my own personal opinion of God, is that youself and only yourself is accountable for your actions.  While the world is a crooked place and of course all people make mistakes,  I wouldn't ever say that I was justified to do wrong in the name of Jesus Christ.  See, to me that is just, well....I don't know what that is, but it's not how I chose to see Christ. 
            
            As far as the verses you put up for me to look at, thanks for showing me where you were coming from, but there are also another hundered or so scriptures that talk about things the way I talk about them.  Really it's up to how you chose to read it and what you take and learn from it. 
            
            And as for the commandments,  I don't follow them because that is how I show I love God, I follow them because I believe they are right and justified and they just make sense.  Even people who don't believe in God follow these rules, they are ingrained in us.  So by definition of just a couple of those verses that you used,  I would say that if showing your love for God is by following the commandments, then what would be the point of loving God because you can follow them with our without God.  Or, even people who do not believe in God find it logical and right and justified to follow the commandments.  Does that make sense?

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               Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               I would like for you to show me those scriptures to justify your LOVE for God the way you want to Love Him. Please edify me That there is another way to LOVE God other than what he say in the way to LOVE Him.  LOOK at what you said here>>>"then what would be the point of loving God because you can follow them with our without God."<<<<< YOU are talking about the Laws of God. People who dont belilieve in God dont follow God laws. They have there own set of Laws. and i will prove it. in the duration of time. Just keep coming back responding to this hub. First of all Look at Hebrews 10: 1-3. Then Go to mattew 15:8-9.  Once again 1 John say IF you love me KEEP my commandmets. Thats something aint it. SO, are you talking about the GOD in 2 Corinthians 11:4 ?????????? THAT OTHER jesus with another gospel, because you have your own gospel about things and that dangerous. WE are all trying to work out salvation NOT condem ourselves. I don't want to sugar coat nothing and i pray that im not too str8 forward. Grace & Peace.

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                  Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

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               Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               Proverbs 3:1  ¶My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
               Proverbs 4:4  He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
               Proverbs 7:2  Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
               John 14:15  ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
               John 15:10  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

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      Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings once again sister inspire! I’m responding to both you and helpdeskian on the issue of who is called the “least in the kingdom.” Let’s look at a situation. And we should all be on the same mind set with this one because who can find in the bible in other places to give understanding about being least in the kingdom. OK. Let’s see where in the kingdom the law breakers are, that break the least commandments and teach men so. We remember the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16: 19-31. Abraham is the father of the faithful and he is in the kingdom with Lazarus. These verses in Hebrews, will prove that when the kingdom comes Abraham will be there (Hebrews 11: 8,17, 39-40). Now Abraham and Lazarus are not being tormented, but the rich man is. Look at the conversation the rich man is having with Abraham. Wow! I wonder where HELL is? Down, or in the kingdom. But anyway in between there conversation, there is a great gulf fixed, (Luke 16: 26) but none can CROSS OVER.  Keep in mind that this whole setting in Luke is future. You take it from sister inspire, and tell me what’s on you mind about this! May the Lord abound in our hearts and mind the understanding of God! Peace in Jesus name. Amen.

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   Originplusposted 16 years ago

   Yea, least in the kingdom of heaven , i wouldn't try to intrepret.
   
   In Luke the 24th chapter he goes on to say:
   
   And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
   
   Maybe he is just refering to the prophecies, that were written in the Old testament concerning him. He said the Law of Moses..meaning the 5 first book of the Bible, in the prophets , jeremiah, isaiah, ezequiel, etc. and in the psalms of david and solomon...
   
   I think this would make sense...
   
   because in actuality he did away with the Laws that Moses was given...i think in Hebrews it goes more into details. in Chapter 9 ...

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    kerrygposted 16 years ago

    This has been an extremely interesting discussion, although it would be nice if some people could learn how to use paragraph breaks. It would make their posts easier to read. *hint*hint*
    
    Personally I've always taken Jesus's words in this passage: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." to mean that Jesus Himself never had any intention of founding a new religion. He saw the corruption of the Pharisees and other powerful men and sought to remind the Jews of what was truly important, namely the Great Commandments: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:36-40.) But He Himself lived and died a Jew, and never had any intention of being otherwise.
    
    Or, in the words of Gandhi (astonishingly perceptive Christian theologian, Mr. Gandhi): "Jesus preached not a new religion but a new life. [...] Spiritual life has greater potency than radio waves. When there is no medium between me and my Lord, and I simply become a willing vestment of His influence to flow into it, then I overflow the water of the Ganges at its source. There is no desire to speak when one lives the truth. Truth is the most economical of words."
    
    For the record, I am Christian, or consider myself so, but my view of Jesus is more like that of the Jews and Muslims: a great teacher and prophet (unlike the Jews and Muslims, I consider him the greatest) but a man, nothing more and nothing less, for we are all the children of God.

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       Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       ARE you saying JESUS never had any intentions being otherwise as to say he is nothing but a Jew. SO, brother, WHo died for the sins of the world? JESUS >>1 Peter 3:22  Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. Jesus was resurrected and sat on the right hand of the Father and the SON is still interceeding for his people. He is the advocate for us in... 1 John 2:1. When we mess up The son is there.
       
       For this Christian theologian..."There is no desire to speak when one lives the truth. Truth is the most economical of words."<<<<   THERE is a lot to be heard about truth, Something have to be said and something have to be heard...but by who....those who walk the truth. They should be teachers to others.
       
       Romans 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
       
       Revelation 13:9  If any man have an ear, let him hear.
       
       Romans 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
       
       This Teacher is JESUS

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          SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          The Teacher is the Christ of Jesus, to each individual Christ of each person seeking such Jesus had solved the human dilemma...being in a human body, that resurrected, overcoming all human aspects by recognizing God fills up all of the spirit, mind, body and soul of himself and potentially each individual, as they seek and find it.

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    SirDentposted 16 years ago

    If you would read back through the law in the Old Testament you will find that if you break the law you would be put to death. When Jesus died for the sins of the world, (breaking the law of God), the Law was fulfilled. He was the atoning sacrifice for all sin.
    
    The Law will point a person to Christ while at the same time prove the person guilty of the Law. Paul wrote about it in Romans. I have written a hub on the subject myself, but not sure if I should link it here.
    
    To make it short, we are all guilty according to the Law, but we can be justified by faith in Jesus Christ.

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       Nathanaelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Praise the Lord Brother. I would like to read this article you have. When you link the article up send me a text.

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