SEO help for Newbies

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Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years ago
Hey everyone,

Recently, I have set myself upon the task of learning SEO. To be honest, it's felt a lot like how (I imagine) rock climbing must feel, so far (e.g. nicks and bruises, exhaustion, stark terror). I have been perusing the many Hubs on the subject — and there are MANY — and thought that it might be helpful for other SEO newbies like me, were I to list the Hubbers/Hubs that I have found to be the most useful so far, to save some folks a little search time.

So, without further ado:

1) Wrylilt's SEO Hubs — Wrylilt has several SEO Hubs, including an easy to understand beginner's guide, a "Made for Pinterest" guide, and an Amazon sales Hub guide. The latter two may be accessed through the first (the SEO newbies guide), found here: http://goo.gl/PQ7d5t
Wrylilt is also active in the forums, and if you post an SEO-related question, chances are that you will receive a response from her.

2) melbel's SEO hubs — melbel has a series of SEO guides that I have also found to be extremely informative, which include Hubs about keywords, backlinking, free SEO tools, and more. I started with the "10 Proven On-Page SEO Methods for Your Website," from which melbel has provided anchor links to her other relevant SEO Hubs, found here: http://goo.gl/36lEFD

3) Writer Fox — I've only recently discovered that this Hubber has written a beginner's guide to SEO, which I am planning to tackle now. I resolved to check it out after reading the anthropomorphous author's recent interview with the HP brass (Now playing in an HP monthly email near you! Check your inbox for local listings.). Though I have not yet read this Hub, I think I can safely say that it will be worth the intellectual investment, based on what I have read from this Hubber so far. Writer Fox is VERY active in the forums, and his two-cents are always worthwhile. In any case, my next SEO challenge is to read this hub by Mr. Fox: http://goo.gl/AEkOOW

So that's my SEO journey so far! If any other Hubbers have been in my shoes, and would like to share links to some content that they found particularly helpful during their SEO training, then please feel free to post here. I know I appreciate it, and I suspect other SEO newbies who find their way to this thread will as well!
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  These are the 2 best SEO guides available (IMO).
  
  http://www.copyblogger.com/keyword-research/
  
  http://moz.com/beginners-guide-to-seo
  
  I think you'll like the Copyblogger site most as it's geared towards writers.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Those sources are a little old. My SEO Hub outranks them both on a Google search for SEO Tutorial 2013.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well, we all know that adding a year takes it very niche. What kind of search volumes are we talking here? Adwords suggest 30 searches a month for that term. I can't believe that is right, though.
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  lol
  
  I think ranking for phrases such as "keyword research" and "SEO guide" are a touch more valuable!
  
  Plus, these guides are not at all out of date. They're perfect for a newbie like Noah.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Then you should try to optimize something for those keywords and see how well you do. LOL
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't try. But trying to make out that your hub is so amazing that it's beating out sites like Moz and copyblogger is a bit disingenuous. You might fool the newbies but you ain't fooling me.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's not disingenuous. What I said was true. And I think that your decision not to even try to rank a Hub for "keyword research" or "SEO guide" is probably best because it is very difficult for any webpage about SEO to rank, especially for a single Hub on HubPages. That is the only topic where every search result is written by someone who knows something about ranking a page on Google and some listings are written by the best SEO experts in the world.
  
  Your advice to consider keywords like: "awesome cheap vacations", "relaxing holiday destinations", and "holiday parks near the sea" is so off-the-wall. No one searches for these terms. The entry in the Moz guide for keyword research is outdated, but here are some new blog entries for using Google's new Keyword Planner which can help you choose better phrases to target: http://moz.com/blog/category/keyword-research
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  Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Would it be OK if I wrote a 2014 one?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But, you don't like SEO.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't matter. If this is the way to make easy money on the internet - count me in!
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think you are having a Born Again experience! How is Bubblews these days?
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  Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Bubblews is fine. It can make some dollars. But I want dollars without working.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Humans are like that.
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your hub ranks for a limited, low volume, long tail phrase. Yes that is true! Well done.
  
  I'm sorry that you missed the point of my post! The keywords were not real suggestions *Duh*.
  
  I was pointing out that different groups of people use different keyword phrases to find similar information and that understanding that can be key to reaching the right audience. E.g. which demographic is most likely to use "your" instead of "you're" in a search query? It's helpful to know these things if you want to target the "your" group.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  My Hub is over 6,600 words and ranks for over 200 major search phrases, which is why it gets the high traffic and income it does. Read up on keyword research to learn how to do it effectively, because your comment indicates you don't thoroughly understand the process.
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  What do you call a major search phrase? And what do you call ranking? Most of the phrases the hub ranks for are on page 2 of the Search results. Yes they rank, but not in positions you're going to get anything much from. And they're never going to get on page 1 for those phrases. Your visitors are very unlikely to click ads and also very unlikely to buy from amazon (I know - I've worked in this niche before) so it's not going to be a money maker, no matter what you say.
  
  Thanks for the tip! I know keyword research though, that's why I get paid a lot to do it! it's also why I get 100,000 pv's on HP per month and have had one of the highest earnings per 1000 views consistently for years. http://alocsin.hubpages.com/hub/The-Hig … onclusions
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm glad you decided to retract the keyword advice you gave to the Newbie with your comment, "The keywords were not real suggestions." When new people ask for advice, they take it very seriously so it's good that you clarified that for him.
  
  I don't know why you want to continue to berate my successes to somehow make yours look less suspect. My SEO Tutorial Hub is a money maker, and not just from Amazon! And my visitors click exactly on the ad I want them to click on, "no matter what you say."
  
  It's interesting that you think 100,000 views on 83 Hubs is a noteworthy accomplishment. I've had 90,000 views in the past 30 days on just 36 Hubs. But, when you claim to have "one of the highest earnings per 1,000 views consistently for years", that's really beyond the pale. You have no idea what the highest earnings-per-views are on this website or what any other Hubbers are earning. You point to a Hub someone wrote two years ago based on the unsubstantiated earnings of only a handful of Hubbers. Even Marye Audet, the highest earner for a couple of years according to HP staff, has posted on the Forum that she isn't even making 10% of that income in 2013.
  
  Give it a rest. You're just embarrassing yourself here.
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  HollieTposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's a bit aggressive WF, Susana made it perfectly clear that she was just offering things to think about when doing KW research, not offering those phrases as keywords- I think that was perfectly clear to the rest of us.
  
  Susana, just like Wrylilt, has helped many newbies on these forums for a number of years. She certainly isn't the one embarrassing herself!
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Hollie, she claims to have "one of the highest earnings per 1,000 views consistently for years." That's a hopelessly embarrassing statement. And to claim that my Hub isn't making money from ads is completely wrong and it should embarrass her to even make such an unsubstantiated claim about someone else's Hub, when every one knows that she has no idea how much another Hubber earns. These things are clearly not helpful to anyone.
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for that Hollie - much appreciated!
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think nearly everyone with a grasp of English got that the keyword advice was based on imaginary examples. It was my use of the words "for instance", "imagine" and "might type something like" which gave it away!
  
  So you still believe that your hub is better and more successful than both Moz's page and Copyblogger's because it ranks for a low volume, minor phrase? OK. Well there's not much I can say to someone who really believes that and who is quite happy to try to fool other hubbers.
  
  Aside from the fact that there is no way to know which ads your visitors are clicking on (!), everyone knows that the audience least likely to click ads are bloggers, webmasters and content producers - the very people who are likely to be visiting your page. Now if you had a good affiliate product to sell that would be a different case, but adsense and amazon offer next to nothing money wise in the SEO niche.
  
  Regarding your success, good for you! I have no problem with other people being successful, in fact I encourage success, but when they also make out that their way is the only way, that no-one else has anything of value to say on the subject of earning here or online in general, then I'm going to challenge that.
  
  You obviously want to be king of the castle, but your lack of humility and the size of your ego are not going to aid you in achieving that. It seems to me that it is you that seeks to try to put down anyone who disagrees with you and that does not come across well. A vitriolic character is not a trait most right-minded people warm to.
  
  Yeah I think 100k per month is ok considering that I haven't done any work here for well over 18 months and also considering that a large chunk of my hubs are now well out of date. Granted it's far below my peak traffic levels, but it's still good for the pocket change it produces.
  
  My earning and traffic stats were publicly displayed on the site for a number of years, and were substantiated and endorsed by HP, (which is where the info for the hub I linked to came from) - so people who have been here a while will know that I don't BS. I certainly don't try to dupe people into believing that my hubs are more successful than they actually are. I really don't need to.
  
  As for Mayre, it's sad that her account (she was never the highest earner - nowhere near btw) got panda'd and she didn't know how to recover, but that's really neither here nor there.
  
  How do I know she wasn't ever the highest earner? It might surprise you to know that many of the top earners talk to each other! So that's how I know I have one of the highest revenue/view ratios.
  
  Also I'm sure the good people of Hubpages are able to see very clearly who is embarrassing himself.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  People may believe whatever they want to believe about themselves, but the truth is that nobody knows who has the "highest earnings per 1,000 views" unless they work at HubPages.
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  When high earners talk to each other and share information, they do know.
  
  BTW how are you determining which ads are being clicked lol?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You don't talk to every Hubber on this site. Do you really expect people to believe that you do? Your claim to have one of the "highest earnings per 1,000 views" is false. And if you want to continue bumping this thread, I will continue pointing that out to new Hubbers who might believe that claim.
  
  And, of course I know which of my non-AdSense affiliate ads are being clicked. Do you really not understand how to track affiliate ad performance?
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's an interesting link, Susana S. I had been searching for a benchmark view of successful Hubbers, in order to try and glean insight from those who earn the most, in order to (ethically) maximize the residual income potential of my Hubs. Obviously, to someone who has not even hit the 10,000 views mark yet, both yours and Writer Fox's VPDs are impressive.
  
  You mentioned that some Hubbers who have done well in the past have struggled recently. Is that due to Google's search algorithm updates that I keep hearing about? Other factors?
  
  Also, do you feel as though Hubbing for HP is still worthwhile (financially), in light of those changes?
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The most successful hubbers achieve hundreds of thousands of views per month, but don't get caught up with that. Not all traffic is created equal, some traffic earns a lot and some earns very little in comparison. Would you believe that one of my most profitable hubs gets less than 50 hits per month?
  
  My advice is to focus on your own goals. Start with small goals like getting 200 views per day, 10 amazon sales per month, 10 hubs written per month etc... and each time you hit a goal, set a new one, raising the bar each time. Read and learn as much as you can, but do make sure that you get your info from reputable sources - you don't want to end up following 2 year old SEO advice and falling foul of google's algorithms. Ask plenty of questions too.
  
  Yes, many have had issues with google slamming their placements in the search results due to algorithm changes and also due to how much weight google gives domain authority (e.g. those that wrote a lot on health find their pages are surpassed by much more authoritative sites).
  
  But I do think hubpages is still worthwhile, though it will ever occupy the space it used to.
  Topic/niche selection is now more important than ever. Choose 3 niches and write 10 hubs in each. Give them time and see if any take off. Do lots of research before deciding what to write on, and if the SERP's are full of well established, authoritative sites, move on and look for something else until you find a true gap in the market (or something new and upcoming).
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That sounds like excellent advice, Susana S. Thanks for taking the time to respond, and Happy Thanksgiving! (Wait ... You're a Spaniard living in the UK, right? Uhmm ... " Feliz Dia de Accion de Gracias!")
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  isaacasanteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Awesome tip, Susana! I'm following your advice... I can see I only have 2 hubs indexed out of the only 4 I have so far, but traffic is picking up. I hope it continues, whilst I keep writing
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  healthyfitnessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, but your content is not better than copyblogger/moz. You are ranking for the "2013" keyword because your content is newer, not better.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think if you read "copyblogger/moz" it might help you achieve the 1,000 view accolade for your one featured Hub which you wrote nine months ago. If you can improve that Hub, then your Hubber score might go up and the link to your website which you are promoting could become a followed link.
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  healthyfitnessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Lol. Thanks? Not sure what my personal agenda has to do with the value of your content. Which is not as high as you think.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The value of my content is very high, according to my traffic and income stats. But you posted in a thread for SEO Newbies, so you'll get some advice on how to improve your Hubs here, or you can start another thread and get people to help you out with that. In order to get a followed link to your website from HubPages, you'll need to raise your Hubber score to 85. In order to do that, you'll probably need to raise the QAP rating on your featured Hub, improve your non-featured Hub so that it is featured, and publish some more high-quality articles here. Just posting on the forum won't raise your score by 20 points. You can look at the QAP chart to see how Hubs are evaluated.
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  healthyfitnessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. But I know how HP works and the reasons I haven't touched it for 9 months are my own. And I actually enjoy the Hubpage community and don't only interact for the style points. Your content is no doubt good, but compared to a powerhouse like Copyblogger and Moz, you still have a way to go.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  They each have thousands of pages on their websites. I don't intend to ever write that many Hubs. I visited your website. I couldn't find one comment on any of your posts. You still have a way to go.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Susana S. I am looking forward to checking out those links!
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  Susana Sposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You're very welcome!
  
  My top SEO tip is always (always, always!) write for your searcher. Keep them in mind at all times. Know who they are and think long and hard about the kinds of phrases they are likely to type into search to find what they want....then give it to them! Write in a way that is going to appeal to them - an article geared towards teenagers needs to read differently to one geared towards 30 yr olds.
  
  For instance, imagine 3 different groups (demographics) of people searching for holiday destinations:
  
  18 - 25 yr olds
  Over 60's
  Families
  
  The chances are these 3 groups are going to be typing in different search terms, even though they seem to be looking for broadly the same thing.
  
  The 18 - 25's might type in something like "awesome cheap vacations"
  
  The over 60's, "relaxing holiday destinations"
  
  Families, "holiday parks near the sea"
  
  Sorry this example is not brilliant, but I hope you get the idea?
  
  Of course you'll still need to learn how to research keywords and do your competitor research to make sure you have a hope in hell of ranking for your chosen phrases, but do think about who you are targeting.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That makes sense, Susana S — I had not considered taking demographics into consideration when trying to formulate long-tail keywords. Thanks!
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  Gail Meyersposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for these suggestions for the most helpful SEO hubs.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not a problem, Gail Meyers. Be sure to check out the links provided by Susana S, as well!
  
  Also, apparently some of melbel's content is outdated.
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  Hikapoposted 10 years agoin reply to this
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  isaacasanteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Blown away?
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LeanManposted 10 years ago
Good luck with your SEO, I am not going to post any links just make a small warning.....

SEO is supposed to be how you tell the search engines what your page is about and how important it is, however for many it all about fooling Google and the other search engines into thinking that your page is more valuable to the people searching than it really is...

Good onpage SEO is about ensuring that if your page is about "Yellow tailed, peruvian, 6 toed, Geckos" that when the search engine reads through what you have written it can understand what your subject is and not about something else..
Once upon a time in google seo land everyone would use the keyword phrase that they were targeting a million times throughout the article (titles, subtitles, photos, etc..) so as to fool google into seeing the article as important and relevant. Do this now and you will be relegated to the depths never to be seen in a search again. While you have to use SEO to ensure that the search engine knows what you have written about if you overuse and make your page too optimized you will probably find that Google will just label you as a spammer!
Write naturally about your subject and concentrate on the subject, if you know it and use the appropriate words that Google believes are related to the subject then the search engine will know what your page is about.

As to off page SEO this usually relates to building links; a link from another site pointing at your work is like a vote of confidence in the quality of your work. So if you have thousands of votes for your work then your work must be important! However SEO practitioners over used link building to the extent that for many phrases you would need to build thousands if not millions of links to get your page seen in searches.
Links are still important to getting your pages ranked but what you want are real links that the readers make (shares on FB etc..) not the ones that you build by spamming comments and writing on free to use websites.. Google is not stupid, it is very easy for them to see when you are building your own links and when they have been left by a reader.

So.............. Beware; too much SEO can be as dangerous as NO SEO...... Much of the writing you will find on the internet is outdated and of no use! Use common sense and concentrate on providing value to the person that actually reads the page!! If you are doing something only to fool the search engines then it will likely not help you!
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Goog points, LeanMan! Yes, from my reading thus far, I have learned that it is best to employ whitehat SEO practices in your content creation — not to mention that it's just good manners (and the internet, nay the world, could use a lot more common courtesy)! BTW, I hope things are going well for you and yours in the Philippines. I was reading your comments on Writer Fox's thread the other day (http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118309), and was pleased to see that you were located away from the Tsunami when it hit.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This is very very very very very good advice, especially the sentence about "too much SEO is as bad as no SEO"
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  isaacasanteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Definitely... And I can testify that from experience years ago. Best is not only to "look natural" to Google via overly enhanced tricks, but to "be natural" while targeting your audience.
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bodyathleticsposted 10 years ago
Use some social signals especially Google+ to get indexed quickly and then link from respectable, related, high PR websites.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I admit that I'm still a little confused about what it means to be "indexed?" Does that mean "placed in Google's cache?"
  I have learned that Hubbers are supposed to visit Google Webmaster Tools and reset the crawl rate for a higher frequency, and then put in a request to the Googlebot to index your site ... Did I get that right?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Why not simply give the poor man an answer?
  
  Google's index is Google's list of webpages -- the pages it has discovered by crawling the web. A page can be dropped from the index if it is spam.
  
  The cache contains an older version of the list.
  
  Google will crawl featured pages here whatever you do.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I see. I imagine the cache is used to reduce lengthy crawl times, then? It must be what people see on a SERP, right? If so, is there a way to update your Hub's information in the cache instantaneously; say, when you ad a new summary and would like for SERPs to reflect that (newer) version instead of the old?
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Google will offer the updated version of a page as soon as it has been crawled. It crawls HP every few hours as far as I tell. Except for brand new accounts which it can take a few days to discover.
  
  The cache has a version of a page from several day before usually. Although, stuff can be deleted and stay in the cache for weeks. You can request deletion if you are micro-managing.
  
  Frankly, I would not be worrying about this stuff, lol.
  
  Let HP handle ninety nine per cent of the SEO. That is what you pay them 40 per cent for.
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  isaacasanteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Why a simple "No" without an explanation?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No
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Will Apseposted 10 years ago
You are far better off reading the learning center stuff than hubs that might not be kept up to date.

Also what is wrong with taking a genuinely professional approach?

Read what Google has to say. Google is the only genuinely reliable source on the planet for Google-related SEO. Everything else you read is an interpretation of what Google has said or done,

Frankly you are not 'learning' SEO with your current strategy, you are simply catching up with current superstitions and misconceptions.

https://support.google.com/webmasters/t … ic=1724125

If you want a brief but reliable overview try Search Engine Lands 'periodic table' (the updated version).

http://searchengineland.com/now-updated … ors-162513
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  NOW he tells me ...
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Will Apseposted 10 years ago
Sorry Earl. these forums used to be plagued by SEO 'experts' offering bad advice and seeking to profit from the unwary quite often too. Given how harmful outdated or blackhat SEO can be, you need to be very careful.

That Search Engine Land article is pretty good and Danny Sullivan is one of only a handful of commentators I would put any faith in.

But it is simple stuff really. Research your keywords, get them in title, URL and text at least once early on. Produce original material. Avoid link spam. Tweet, like and pin a bit.

Also Google treats affiliate pages differently to other pages and they will get extra scrutiny on the spam front. If you do not want extra scrutiny, do not use them.

Topics that are not saturated but are popular are the best route to success.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No worries — I appreciate your candor, Will.
  Thanks for the links, as well!
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Joseph041167posted 10 years ago
I never gave a rat's ass about SEO. I learned at an early age how to write very good term papers. I see no reason to ever change. I also write personal short blogs. If just a few personal friends like them that is fine. I do not give a care what everyone else thinks. On my more serious pieces, I am happy if they grace Google Search, five pages back in there, as long as I make it there and stay in search, that is a plus. I just never took SEO very seriously and I do not care to. Also, I hate to dissillusion you. There are tens of millions of people on here who actually think they are going to make any money at all, or decent money. Only maybe 1/1,000,000 will make decent money on here, and only maybe 1/10,000 will make a single payout, and at this stage in history, even that is doubtful. I do not know of anyone making money on Hubpages at all anymore at this stage in history. Stick with it long enough and you will learn and so will they. Being an SEO rocket scientist will not help you in those endeavors eithor. I just hate to see one more Hub Page snob happen who really thinks that HubPages is someday going to do anything for him. Just blog and do your best. I am not going to tell you on here what orifice you can stick your SEO in. It is not my intention to be unreasonably rude to any single person on here, but you gather well my cynicism.
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  WryLiltposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree.
  
  You can earn money here. It shouldn't be your ONLY source, but it's a great place to get viral traffic, or test ideas to build websites from, or learn the basics to go jump into better affiliate forums and serious money making elsewhere. It's a good stepping stone.
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  lobobrandonposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree with Susannah on this one. HP was the best thing that happened to me when it came to my online writing career. Taught me all that I needed to know and it's still doing well.
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  mgt28posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  + 1 , I agree with Lobo, for agreeing with Susannah, I have not made any cent here, just 5 weeks in the game. But I do not see why a hardworking person cannot be rewarded. How can I rely on the opinion of a person who registered 2 years ago but does not even have 1 hub published?
  
  If I do not make money, I will still learn how to write and behave on an online forum without saying bad words.
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  LeanManposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think someone dropped their icecream.....
  
  Earning money online may not be as easy as it once was but it is still possible, even with hubpages.
  
  But an understanding of SEO is a must if you want to get found and earn! If you don't want to earn money then it really does not matter what you do, but we don't have to follow your lead!
  
  HP provides me with a steady little income with the minimum of work from me. But my own sites are still far more successful.
  
  I hope that someone buys you a new icecream..
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  aa liteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Everybody is entitled to their opinion, however nobody is entitled to get the facts so badly wrong. There are NOT ten millions of people here! There are about 100,000 hubbers who have actually published a hub.
  
  True most of them don't make much money. However there are hubbers who earn decent money (as in several hundred a month). I bet you anything, the hubbers who earn decent money do understand SEO.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry that you have not found success here, Joseph041167. Perhaps you'll change your mind someday, and give it another go. In the meantime, I'll be pondering exactly which orifices you were referring to!
  In any case, good luck to you.
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LongTimeMotherposted 10 years ago
I think you've done new hubbers a great service by offering those links, Earl Noah Bernsby. I have picked up tips from those very same writers in my time here.

Here's my current list of traffic sources to my hubs ....

google.com google.com.au google.co.uk google.ca search.yahoo.com bing.com google.co.in google.co.nz google.co.za google.com.sg google.com.ph google.com.mx ask.com isearch.avg.com google.com.hk google.gr google.ie google.es google.nl search.aol.com google.fr

Plus pinterest and facebook and a few other places, but these are the ones that are relevant to your discussion here.

Keep studying SEO. It is certainly worth the effort.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks LongTimeMother! I have experienced the thrill of seeing regional Google's pop-up on my Traffic Report, as well — albeit, with less frequency than your Hubs, I'm sure!
  
  I find myself marveling that folks in Vietnam, South America, Poland, etc. would care about what I write! I think that is what keeps me coming back. It's amazing to think that — in some small way — you can contribute something of use to people all over the world (provided they didn't just sneeze and accidentally click on the links), with wordsmithery delivered via keyboard.
  
  <<"Wordsmithery" is a trademark of E.N.B., et. al — 5 cents/use (Note: Chocolate will also be accepted as payment.)>>
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Writer Foxposted 10 years ago
AdWords Keyword Planner now only shows exact match results, not broad term so you don't have the figures I used when I targeted that term. But that Hub also ranks for a variety of keyword terms, especially since the Google Hummingbird algorithm. That's part of the reason longer Hubs generally produce more search engine traffic.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So 'SEO Tutorial 2013' is worthless on its own? Why did you mention it then?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Most definitely NOT! Search on Google for the difference between 'exact match' and 'broad match' for keyword selection. Look for articles dated before June, 2013.
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WryLiltposted 10 years ago
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that is about it.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think you might have difficulty ranking #1 for that since you'd be competing against 19,300,000 search results.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Just to back up a little. You were using this Seo Tutorial 2013 claim to suggest that your page was superior to moz and copy blogger, in some way. It was more up to date or more widely read. Are you really going to stick to that claim?
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Writer Foxposted 10 years ago
Just to back up a little: You claim that reading a chart is going to help people learn SEO! And, of course, I am breathlessly waiting to read a Hub from you about SEO since you claim to know so much about that topic. ROTFL
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Out of interest WF how did you come to be an expert in SEO? Do you have a degree or diploma in anything related?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You can read my interview in the HubPages Newsletter.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And where exactly would I find this? Are we talking email or blogpost, when was it published, where is the link....
  
  Also why can you simply not say?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  http://hubpages.com/about/interview
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So you have no qualification related to SEO? Could we not have arrived at this point a little quicker?
  
  So you have just picked up stuff as you have gone along like the rest of us?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all and I assure you that I am not anything like you. I am a professional SEO consultant and have been for more years than you have been online. This thread was started by someone who wanted to point out Hubs about SEO which he found useful and recommended. He didn't pick yours because you don't have one. If you want to give out SEO advice in the forum, why don't you point to something you have written about the topic. LOL
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I worked for some SEO companies for a while- several years ago when it was all about cheating search engines.
  
  I started off writing fake forum posts and some guy in Pakistan created 5 backlinks to each. I then moved on to writing blog posts (twenty backlinks each from the guys in Pakistan). Then I was promoted to writing real linkbait articles (fifty faked backlinks just to be on the safe side, of course).
  
  SEO, lol.
  
  Better to learn to write a decent article on a subject that is not saturated. Better to learn the simple stuff about keywords, competition analysis and routine updates. Best of all, learn how to write on subjects that really make some money.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Your 'experience' explains a lot. Thank you for posting.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I learnt my lesson and moved on. But so have you! And here we both are, having this cozy chat.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  How come you two fight every day... about things like SEO... which regular ppl don't even know what is? If youre going to fight about something, it should be about religion or smoking.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I ain't going in the topical forums again, Beth. So if you get in trouble over there again you are on your own.
  
  They argue about stuff they don't even believe in! Its the myth of Sisyphus, virtual style...
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  lol. Why? What happened over there?
  Topical ppl can be so cruel.
  
  Edit: Why did you study so much Greek stuff?
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  One thing that happened was that Mellissa refused to submit when I had her bang to rights.
  
  Anyway, this is one of those terribly serious threads where people with beards (real or imagined) say important things.
  
  So, unless you want to talk SEO, I'm afraid I cannot talk to you again. Even if you are wearing the most perfectly tailored business suit ever produced....
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Which I am. Good day sir.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Guys! Try to settle this like gentlemen, ok? Shall we say ... Pistols at dawn?? (Although, Will might have the advantage there due to Writer Fox not having opposable thumbs.)
  
  BTW — Will, when you work SEO jobs for blackhat content creators in Pakistan, the terrorists win.
  
  In any case, please don't let this thread devolve into a bickering contest. I started it in the hopes that it would serve as a helpful resource for SEO newbies such as myself.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you learned something, at least, Most aptly summarized by Wrylit's pic.
  
  edit: see clarification below.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  HP takes care of the on site SEO for you, so you don't have to worry about that!
  
  BTW, Content plays a very small part in google search ranking; it's all about links. Google bots won't know the difference between 2000 words quality article and 2000 words article full of crap.
  
  You don't need to learn SEO. Please don't waste your time!
  Unless you are planning to be a professional SEO or something, you don't need it.
  
  Only things that matter are:
  1. Title (Use keyword planner)
  2. Links
  
  Write content that people will share and link to.
  
  If you are planning to learn SEO, start with moz. You'll find everything you need.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This is obviously completely untrue. Or you could scrape a couple of thousand words, spin them, get a title and start your link building. And be rich!!
  
  Never going to happen.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Who will link to your article if it's not worth it??
  That's the whole point of links; They act as votes!!
  Some of my articles(Not HP), which rank on the first page in Google results, don't rank in yahoo.
  Black hat stuff works in yahoo, not Google!
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So you are saying that you need to write great articles so that people will link to them?
  
  How does that statement square with this one that you made earlier: 'Content plays a very small part in google search ranking'.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Content itself has very less value when Google determines the ranking. Google bots can't determine the usefulness and value of the articles by themselves, so it relies on links as votes for good content.
  I can write all the false/fake information in a 2000 words article, and Google has no way to know that.
  
  Also, you can write the most awesome article ever, but an average article in a popular blog with more links will rank higher.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I note the 4 hubs and the 1000 views accolade on your profile.
  
  How about trying the 'content is king' approach for a few months? You never know, it might work for you.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But, in his defense, he has had at least two other HP accounts. Sadly, those are no longer with us.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Content is king!!
  I never said otherwise. All I am trying to say is: don't waste to your time in onsite SEO stuff. Focus on writing quality/ linkable articles and get links.
  Also, I don't write on HP anymore; can't keep up with their quality guidelines. Better to spend more time and effort on my blog.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I was wondering when Fox will show up.
  How are you doing, WriterFox??
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Having a great day on HubPages with over 5,800 views in the past 24 hours and the highest CPM ever. How is Bubblews?
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I don't write on Bubblews!
  You were the one advocating it. Don't you write bubbles anymore?
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Fox, I am just curious; How much does HP pay you /1000 views?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I've never been on Bubblews, but a lot of Hubbers are so I'm always curious about it. (I thought you once posted that you were writing on Bubblews.) For some reason unbeknownst to me, we are not allowed to post CPM amounts.
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  AMAZING THINKERposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I saw some hubbers posting theirs in Q&A.
  May be they are not aware of that rule.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Happy Thanksgiving!
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, Mark! I guess the British stopped celebrating the U.S. Thanksgiving after 1776. Seems they developed an aversion to turkey then and the Crown wasn't so happy that the Colonists survived!
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  If only they could see us now... colonists and serfs rubbing elbows from a safe distance.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're being humorous - I'm sure you know Thanksgiving was invented in America, the Brits have never celebrated it.
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  lol
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the Brits were in America and celebrated Thanksgiving right up until 1776. Then, they had to turn in their red coats and nobody would invite them for Thanksgiving dinner anymore.
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  lol
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Just before that, there was a tea party in Boston and all the Brits were invited. They proved to be very ill-mannered, so Americans began drinking coffee, as it is to this day.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That'll teach em.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  lol. You American ladies! Always joshing us.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Just me and the epicene fox.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  An erudite lady and an epicine fox.
  
  From which will I learn the most, today?
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I really am extremely smart.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well you caught out an SEP 'expert' today and introduced the word of the day to the conversation.
  
  But I have to go. Posting is too difficult at the moment. (crummy connection).
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Toodles.
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  isaacasanteposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  +1... Heat's coming up.
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Beth37posted 10 years ago
This is my favorite show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYRR0FlVEfc
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Beth37posted 10 years ago
Note*
Not her profile pic., but the pigeon poop thing she posted.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  She really likes that image, which is why she has posted it several times on the forum. Google calls it feces clip art. Maybe she is a collector.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Im sorry, Im not allowed to talk to you. But once I have learned what SEO is, I will totally give you a run for your money. Good day sir!
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So, why are you talking to me?
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I was just being courteous. I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you. I just wrote to say I have been banned from this thread. Good day sir! lol
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody puts Beth37 in a corner (re: banned from the thread) ... Not on my watch. #LongLivetheQueen!
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The teacher has kicked the student out of the class for being a clown. Sadly, the teacher didn't realize the silly student had learned something merely by being in the presence of the amazing scholars. *loud sigh, followed by a pitiful sort of moan.
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LongTimeMotherposted 10 years ago
There will always be hubbers who just write for personal pleasure and hubbers who are quick to say they are not succeeding because 'nobody else' is succeeding.

I am sure there are hubbers who are disappointed by their unsuccessful attempts to tap into a money stream. Some keep trying to learn more and improve their hubs, and others just blame the system and anything and anyone else other than themselves. You can spot them a mile away.

Newbies should be encouraged, however, by the fact that there are those of us who actually write from personal experience about topics that interest us with a basic (or developing) understanding of SEO who are actually rewarded for our efforts.

I am certainly not among the highest earners here at hp, but I am making money regularly. Don't be disillusioned by the negative comments on forums like this one. Just keep writing and learning and editing your hubs as you get a greater understanding of SEO.

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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  +1
  It's really very easy to make money on HubPages!
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You could replace SEO in what just said with 'what readers want'.
  
  The most important thing is the ability to produce a quality article that satisfies readers.
  
  WF imagines that he gets traffic because of his SEO. This is just superstition. He has refined his pages over a long period and he is a decent writer who can keep the attention of a reader.
  
  SEO for HP is stuff a simpleton can pick up in minutes. Keywords in titles etc etc.
  
  How many time does it have to be said? SEO is easy, finding the topics that will succeed and writing a decent page is the hard part.
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  LongTimeMotherposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Give us a break, Will Apse.
  
  Finding the topics that will succeed and writing a decent page is a part of Search Engine Optimization.
  
  SEO for HP might be 'stuff a simpleton can pick up in minutes', but I am not a simpleton so I wouldn't know about that. It certainly took me longer than a few minutes.
  
  You've made your point and I've made my point. I'm thinking it is time to let other people have a say now.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Have you always been like this?
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, 44 Forum posts in the past 24 hours! Didn't you just make a post that you were going to take a nap or something?
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  LongTimeMotherposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but generally I exercise self-control and think it but don't bother typing it. You'd be surprised how often I wish you would give us a break and stop hammering your point, Will.
  
  It is interesting to note that since I expressed my annoyance, you suddenly made some positive and helpful contribution to this thread by answering ENB's question instead of bagging Writer Fox and others who try to help - and referring him to google.
  
  Perhaps I should express my frustration with you (and others) more often. It is good to see you trying to be helpful.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Incomprehensible, lol.
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aboutpeopleposted 10 years ago
Thanks for the info. There are very few things I understand about SEO. One is that it is very daunting and the other is that what works currently is not necessarily what worked in the past.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This page in the learning center helps to make it relatively simple:
  
  http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/How- … ndly-Title
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Ranveer Bhatiaposted 10 years ago
Hey Earl, it seems a pretty long discussions. I could read until Will Apse's input that he has shared a link of Google web master tools. The observation I am going to share is actually based on the discussion till Will Apse's 3rd input that I could read. I have seen some quality input in the thread and the name I'd especially like to mention is LeanMan, he has shared some real fact about SEO.

Unlike any other techniques it can't be taught, although there are lots of crash courses are available online and offline but ultimately to become a good optimizer you have to be self sufficient to gather knowledge about search engine optimization. There is no shortage of knowledge and Internet is full of information, so what all you need is to go to the right place to get the quality information.

Being a full time blogger I spend most of the time online on popular forums, blogs, websites and I have seen how weird ideas people share about SEO, they emphasize so much around it but don't concentrate on the bottom line that what Search Engine Optimization is? Do we really know the answer, if yes then we should stop abusing search engine by practicing the crap.

Search Engine Optimization is all about producing quality content so that the visitors will get benefited. But do we really care about it. I Think NO....we rather more care about how search engine crawler will crawl the page.

I do completely agree to Lean Man, as I too think that the term SEO is kind of abusive to the search engine, because we do this practice just to fool around them.

Therefore I don't recommend any particular website, blogs or link/s. Please devote your time to some top blogs in the world to gain more knowledge. Like Hub pages, Search Engine Journal, Search Engine Land, Google Blog, SEO MOZ and many more. This will help you to become a quality search engine optimizer and not a abusive one.
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your insight Ranveer Bhatia! I agree that the emphasis should always be on quality content first.
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Anita Anne Asraposted 10 years ago
Hey Earl, I have been inducted into the world of SEO just a few months back and I am really interested in learning more. So, thank you so much for this. I'll go through this and get back to you regarding any queries and/or how useful this was. Thanks again!
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sure thing, Anita Anne Asra!
  
  One thing I have learned since starting this thread is that some of the information on melbel's Hubs are outdated. Specifically, as regards article directories like EzineArticles.com. Thanks to Marisa Wright, Susana S, Will Apse, and lobobrandon for pointing that out!
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Writer Foxposted 10 years ago
Bedtime for Bonzo.
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  HollieTposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  @WF, that is not a hopelessly embarrassing claim and I, for one, believe her. Mainly because Susana never boasts about her accomplishments, the hub was written by someone else, and whether Susana still makes that kind of money on HP is irrelevant, the fact remains that she has been highly successful hubber, in terms of traffic and earnings, with less than 100 hubs. She doesn't have to prove anything to anyone
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Hollie, people may believe what ever they want to believe, but the truth is that nobody knows who has the "highest earnings per 1,000 views" unless they work at HubPages.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It is pretty obvious to me that you have not yet worked out what kinds of page really earn money.
  
  For instance, I could not be bothered with SEO pages mainly because of the poor return on the labor.
  
  Also, out of interest, I targeted niches very similar to the ones you have tackled to date (greetings, wishes, celebrations). They are an easy target and get good traffic but again, the money is not great.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I do not publish my highest earning topics on HubPages, but the Hubs I do publish earn very well indeed.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  
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LeanManposted 10 years ago
Always fun to watch the experts happily expressing their views as to what works and what does not work. Personally I always want to see evidence as to what works and not just people's opinion about what "should" work in their opinion. Who has anything to back up their claims?? Who has used statistics to prove beyond any doubt the cause and effect relationship between the different ideas of SEO? I have seen very few real worthwhile reviews of what really works or anyone posting real up to date evidence.

There is a big difference between what most people of HP need to think of as SEO and what the "big boys" in the SEO world need to do to get a website ranked in a highly competitive and profitable area.

I will keep coming back to the most important factor if you want to get visitors on HP, choose a subject that there are searches for and for which there is minimum competition. If there are no searches for the subject (keywords) then you get zero visitors its as simple as that.. If there is a huge amount of quality competition then you will be unlikely to out compete them and get visitors using a single hub page or even a small series of linked pages here.
Once you have your keywords (Subject) write about it better than anyone else!! Add real value!! If you are going to just regurgitate a copy of what every other page on the web looks like with the same information what are you adding?
Why should your page be chosen over the others?
Use your keywords in your title, in some of the subtitles and descriptions for pictures etc; but don't overuse them. Google needs to know what the page is about so if it is about purple pigeon poop and you don't use the words or related words in your page how will the search engine know what it is about? But use it too often and it is obvious you are just there to harvest visits using your page!
Forget about building links and link wheels etc.. Share your hub in places where you can generate visitors such as pinterest and facebook etc but don't overdo it! It is fine to advertise yourself but do it in a way that is "normal"! Not a link on every bookmarking site on the net and hundreds of social posts! Again, building yourself lots of links says that you are only here for the money, not to share something valuable! It is obvious when you build your own links - google has lots of data about how we do it and can spot it a mile away! If you write something that is good and people really find it valuable it will gain its own links but it will take time!

Write a GOOD page, make sure that you answer the query that the searcher is looking to have answered. If you don't then the person that does find your page will just click away and google will decide that your page is no good! If people find your page, read your page and follow your links then google knows your page is an answer to the query that they showed it for - your page will get more visitors!

As Douglas Adams said - "Don't Panic", SEO for most of us is not rocket science and we do not have to fully understand it nor do we want to be using anything to persuade Google that we are more relevant or better than we really are.
Just read the basic guides, get your research right, write in a great way without overdoing the onpage SEO and you will be fine. You can always rank for purple pigeon poop but no one will search for it, and you will never rank for home insurance as the big boys have the competition sewn up tight! Find that middle ground that people are searching for but no one writes about or does not write about it well..

HP is a good platform to learn on, its structure makes sure that your pages are found by Google and that you will get a small boost in your rankings. It is easy to make money here but only if you get the basics right and even then don't expect mega bucks!!

As to evidence for the above, well just look at those that are the most successful here on HP; they are not hard nosed SEO experts trying to spam links to persuade google of their value. Most are GOOD WRITERS who write well in their areas of expertise and they get the basics of onpage SEO right.

Of course this is just my opinion.......
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No one will argue with this.
  
  I would say though that no sensible person will tell you what they are earning. If you want to know what does well you will need to put out a good variety of pages and find out for yourself.
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Will Apseposted 10 years ago
'Do lots of research before deciding what to write on, and if the SERP's are full of well established, authoritative sites, move on and look for something else until you find a true gap in the market (or something new and upcoming).'

YES!
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Writer Foxposted 10 years ago
You can read my interview with a very successful Hubber in the HP Newsletter tomorrow. I know that many of you are busy with Thanksgiving preparations, but you can read all of the previous interviews here:
http://hubpages.com/about/interview

All of the Hubbers chosen for interviews were selected by fellow Hubbers and you can learn a lot of valuable information from looking at their Hubs. You can go to the link above and hit Ctrl F to locate your favorite Hubber and read about their techniques for using HubPages.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Have any of them been apprehended yet? He asked in alarm.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Only the turkeys:
  
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  Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, good! I was wondering if HP had a page dedicated to previous interviews — thanks @WF.
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Beth37posted 10 years ago
It's a Thanksgiving miracle... you two are almost getting along.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are interrupting the plucking, Beth.
  
  It is my favorite part.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It's really sick to pluck a baby turkey.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  This turkey has earned it, baby though it be.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh... this was the metaphor? I assumed I'd never know what you meant.
  Im in the way again huh? Sorry... I will drink my coffee.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  That's so cute, I just almost can't stand it.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  For sale on Amazon!
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can buy a baby on Amazon? Are they expensive? Cause I will totally do it.
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  Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think you have to try eBay for that.
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Look at his little feet! lol
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can almost taste them!
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  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I will beat you with a stick sir... favorite hubber or not.
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  Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I will send map co-ordinates. Pack shorts and mosquito spray,
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calcolasposted 7 years ago
SEO stands for search engine optimization.
There are 2 types of optimizations :- On page & off page
'On page' stands for optimizing meta tags, website pages etc.
where as in case of 'off page' link building, social media, submission is done.
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