Point-Counterpoint Feature

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   amiebutchkoposted 10 years ago

   I was just thinking, it might be cool to have a point/counterpoint feature in which on author might provide a counterpoint to a hub already written.  If they were both good, perhaps they could somehow be featured in a juxtaposed format, so readers could objectively get both sides of an issue, if both authors agreed.  That way, both authors would benefit from the aggregate readership counts, as well as, it might boost seo of both articles, from the mutual link between articles.  It may also boost comments?  It would have to be done very respectfully/objectively, of course, and each hub would not refer to the other hub in the actual content; it would just be a hub on the opposite viewpoint.  Perhaps, hubpages could even throw out some topics for potential point/counterpoint hub writings and people could "accept the challenge" with the best ones being featured next to each other in some way.  I think it would benefit readers as well, as they would get comprehensive information on a topic. 
   
   Just as an example of a scenario, I am publishing a hub on teaching your child abstinence vs. safe sex principles.  Maybe another author might disagree with this viewpoint and elect to write a hub on teaching kids safe sex vs. abstinence.  As you can imagine, readers would then be presented with two objective sides of the argument, even better if it was a topic they googled.  Perhaps at the bottom of each hub, it could just say something like: "For a Counterpoint to this article, read: x hub" and link to it...
   
   Sorry not more fleshed out.  Just a thought for the future....

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      Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, many people already do that in the comments section of some Hubs.

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      zeke2100posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I too have suggested this feature, and an official hubpages admin finally stated that in their meeting that it would take up too much bandwidth and they were not going to implement this feature at this time.
      
      Link: (http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/112863)

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         amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Oh!  I didn't realize that it had already been suggested.  Should have researched a little better....  Thanks!

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have done that, in a way, by giving a link to another hub with the counterpoint, accompanied by a short comment that it was there if the reader is interested in reading a different viewpoint.  Seems like a good thing, adding to reader experience.
      
      I don't believe the favor has ever been returned, with a link back to my hub, though.

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         amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         You know, on separate topic, I have linked to people's articles before, in a like a "other reading on this topic" section at the bottom of my hubs.  Generally, do you notify other authors if you do link to their hubs, as a courtesy?  They might like to know, but I never thought of doing it before...  Thanks, Wilderness.  I think that the hub you did that for must have been a pretty interesting one....!

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Usually I let them know, sometimes not. 
            
            But used as a counterpoint, it seems to me that it gives me more credibility.  In recognizing that others disagree, I can present the reader with a differing viewpoint, something different than my own.  I know I would appreciate it, and assume others will too.

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   Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years ago

   That seems like an excellent idea amiebutchko!  You can actually do that right now by collaborating with other authors here, and then inter-linking between Hubs.  For example, you could provide a right-justified text capsule with a short description of the counterpoint article with an anchor link.
   
   It would really just be a matter of seeking out authors whom you respect, and reaching out to them.

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   amiebutchkoposted 10 years ago

   Oh!  That sounds like a great idea...  and a little easier than having a whole new feature.  Do you collaborate with other authors through fan mail, or just in the forums?  It would be interesting to see... I'll have to check around!!!!!  Thanks for the responses!

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      Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, I prefer to direct my private correspondence with others on the site through the email feature that is built into the HP platform.  Just click the "Fan Mail" tab on a writer's profile page, then look for the "send [insert_name] an email" anchor link.

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         amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         You just taught me something I never knew!  I had no idea you could e-mail other hubbers (still green!).  This is sure to come in useful for me.  When I looked on your profile to see what you were talking about regarding the "send an e-mail tab" your particular page didn't show the link.  Just thought I'd let you know.  I checked on other hubbers' and I saw it there, but for some reason, it didn't come up on yours.  I'm not sure if you set it that way.... ?  Just thought I'd pass along...

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            Earl Noah Bernsbyposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for bringing this to my attention!  I had no idea ...
            
            EDIT: Sure enough — I had forgotten all about that option in my email settings! (Whoops!)
            
            To anyone who has tried to contact me and has not received a response (and who also happens to be reading this): A thousand times a thousand apologies!

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               amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Glad I wasn't being a budinski.  I am glad it helped to tell you..!  Wasn't sure if you turned it off purposely or something....

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      Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I do answer most emails I receive from HubPages, but for what you want to do you might also consider writing a question about it.  (Is it better to teach your child abstinence or safe sex principles?)  If you get some good answers there, you could always link to it from your Hub.

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         amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Hmmm.  Good idea.  Never thought of that.  Thanks!  I'm still learning....

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   jellygatorposted 10 years ago

   I'd be interested in writing a counter point and including a link to yours as a counter if it will justify my time to do this. (I have to be able to expect at least "some" earning potential or I don't write on a topic.)

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      amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Jellygator, thank you so much for the offer!  Maybe sometime in the future we could collaborate on an article!  For now, I was just theorizing that it would be a good idea.  I will definitely contact you if I think of a good topic once I get my footing here, and please do the same for me!  I think it could be pretty interesting!  Of course, we would both have to be passionate about our sides of whatever argument!

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         amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         The current article I am working on - the abstinence one I mentioned above - is not a good one to do it on because ads have been disabled for that topic... so unfortunately, that's no earning potential...

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         jellygatorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         We can still earn on topics that have ads disabled, as long as there is a good Amazon product related to it that will drive some sales. It wouldn't be a huge topic for me, but might be an interesting "test market." I get a little over 1k hits per day on my hubs, so it might even help you get some traffic as a newcomer to HP. (My traffic generally comes from web searches rather than followers.) I'll try a short hub on it and see.

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            amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Jellygator, I was thinking last night that you could help me since you are so established and have such a high score!  Thank you so much.  However, I actually just published my hub this morning.  You can take a look at it.  I might be afraid to edit it after it is already published though, because it seems whenever I edit my hubs the score tanks.  But let's see what you think....

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               jellygatorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I will look at it this week. It will probably be Saturday before I have much chance to, but I'll expect to do something this week.

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                  amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Jellygator, thanks so much.  I just don't know if I would be willing to add in an edit to this particular hub anymore, to link them this time.  Only because I am happy with how it did in the QAP, and as I said before, my scores always seem to go down when I make edits.  But if you still want to do a counterpoint of course, please go ahead.  I just didn't want you to do the work if it will bother you about my end not having a link!  Thanks so much again though for your kindness and interest in this.  I do appreciate your expertise and advice!

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   amiebutchkoposted 10 years ago

   I agree completely.  It is all in an objective spirit of debate and providing the whole picture.  I love the idea.

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   jellygatorposted 10 years ago

   OK... it doesn't pay much and so if you don't want to edit, I will leave it alone. Just a note on edits while we're on the subject, though... I've found that making edits doesn't really harm overall performance at all. In fact, Google likes updated material, as long as you are adding value and not spammy stuff. However, traffic fluctations are huge, and the big G does a reset every so often that will temporarily lower your traffic or boost it. Also, they sometimes make algorithm changes. These two things cause a LOT of commentary! Now in my second year here, I've learned that well-written material will *always* bounce back, as long as I pay attention to how many people are searching for terms on Google, and how many search results those particular terms generate. I don't think HP is doing the apprenticeship program anymore, which was a big benefit for learning this stuff. If not, and if you'd like to learn more, feel free to contact me privately at Kathy.Bohon@gmail.com. (This is a spam account in case it gets scraped, but I'll provide you with my real one if you contact me. Just make sure to have "HUB PAGES NEW WRITER" or something in the subject line so I will see it!)

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      amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Jellygator, thank you so much.  I appreciate this info!  I have been struggling with edits: my score seems to drop up to 10 points after the simplest of edits; but that was maybe my problem - that they weren't edits that really added much value (and then they do go up again in most cases)?  Right now, because I am new, I am all about keeping my scores up because that's all I have to drive me on!!!!  But I would definitely love to learn more about Google.  I am going to reread your post again for sure and it goes without saying, I am going to become a student of your hubs!  I will take you up on contacting you soon, when I get a minute to take time out to learn a bit!  Thank you again for your guidance. I appreciate it!

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         jellygatorposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         The general consensus I have heard regarding scoring is that if you're new, as long as you are above 50 or 55, you're doing well. It takes time for articles to get "seasoned." This seems to me to be true. For the last several months, my hubber score is 100 and I've had several hubs at 100, but they were in the 60s, 70s, or 80s for a LONG time! Also, although I get good traffic, I didn't start off well and there are tons of people who do a better job of making money than I do. I earn $2.50 - $3 per day from adshare revenue and only a buck or two a month from Amazon.  Wilderness and SimeyC are good at finding products that sell very well, and there are some people here who after several months have a thousand followers! I can only imagine what kind of traffic they get! I'm thrilled to help anyone, but I am for sure not the best example, either.

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            amiebutchkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Jellygator, this is truly the most information I have got since I've been on here!  Thank you so much for your pearls of wisdom.  I will check out those writers and your hubs as well.  I do feel like since I've been here, things are starting to just go up on their own.  Page views... not sure yet how I'm doing there, but I do try to do key word search and I think I'm slowly learning....  Thank you again.  Great info and appreciated help!  My best and gratitude for your time and advice!

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