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   Silverspeederposted 9 years ago

   Hello my American cousins, it seems the conversations between our two0 great leaders at the lead up to the Iraq war will never be disclosed
   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 56326.html
   
   I am sure they have told us that there was nothing untoward about their decision of bombing the cr*p out of Iraq.
   
   How stupid do our politicians think we are?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      untoward: 1 inconvenient, unlucky, unexpected, unforeseen, surprising, unusual; unwelcome, unfavorable, adverse, unfortunate, infelicitous; malapropos.
      2 improper, unseemly; perverse.
      Wikipedia
      http://retellect.hubpages.com/hub/shoul … -of-europe

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         John Holdenposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Gosh! Thanks for that Kathryn, English has only been my first language for the last 65 years.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Just trying to be helpful… Gosh!  (We never use that word in every day speech over here.  At least where I live I never hear anyone say, " Wow, that cop was way untoward!" or  "There was nothing untoward about George W. Bush's and Tony Blair's, decision to bomb the (choose your favorite archaic expletive) out of Iraq."  And I never saw that word in newspapers. I might have come across it in a Bronte novel.)
            
            BTW http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 … raq-report

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               John Holdenposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry Kathryn, I forgot that the majority on this forum are American and speak a different form of English to us.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            "June 2009 
            Gordon Brown announces an inquiry will be set up to “learn the lessons”  of the Iraq war, led by former civil servant  Sir John Chilcot, but says it will avoid  “apportioning blame”.
            
            November 2009
            After public hearings finally getting underway, a former Foreign Office official Sir William Ehrman tells the inquiry that the UK received intelligence days before invading Iraq that Saddam Hussein may not have been able to use chemical weapons.
            
            January-February 2011
            The inquiry holds its final round of public hearings.
            
            November 2011
            The inquiry announces its  findings will not be published until the summer of 2012, six months later than anticipated,  only to be delayed again as it approaches a  million words in length.
            
            March 2013
            The Independent reveals that early drafts of the report “challenge previous accounts of what happened” in the run-in to the 2003 war.
            
            June 2013
            New forecast date for the start of the inquiry’s “Maxwellisation” process – in which public officials criticised in the report are allowed to see the findings in advance of publication.
            
            November 2013
            Sir John tells David Cameron it is “regrettable” that the Government and his inquiry have failed to agree on the disclosure of “difficult categories of documents”.
            
            April 2014
            Inquiry admits that the  Maxwellisation has yet to start, while  The Independent reveals that the inquiry  could finally be published in the run-up to  the 2015 general election.
            
            May 2014
            The inquiry says the full transcripts of Tony Blair’s conversations with US  President George Bush will be withheld,  days after Blair insists he is not causing the delay to the report’s publication."
            
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po … 56326.html

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               Silverspeederposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               May 2014
               In fact, it is an insult to democracy, accountability and the intelligence of the British people that will ensure Chilcot, like the Butler and Hutton inquiries before it, is seen as yet another Establishment whitewash.
               
               It should never be forgotten that the grave charge against Mr Blair is that he secretly gave Mr Bush a commitment to go to war – then lied to Parliament, the Cabinet and the country to force through a decision that had already been taken. 
               
               Most devastatingly, he is accused of exaggerating evidence that Saddam Hussein posed a deadly threat to Britain, while suppressing advice that the war might be unlawful. 
               
               The letters – and the context provided by whatever pressure was placed on Mr Blair by the President – are key to finding out if this chilling scenario is accurate. 
               
               Many will quite reasonably question the claims made by an increasingly messianic Mr Blair, in a self-serving BBC interview this week, that he has not deliberately tried to block Chilcot.

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                  rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  With over 3,500 dead and over 32,000 American service men wounded and up to 138,000 civilian casualties it is a shame that the two most responsible are playing through their proxies and perhaps co-conspirators, political games to salvage their legacies. It is more than a shame, it is disgusting.

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         Silverspeederposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         From the definition the word seems to fit perfectly.
         
         I wonder if we have lost the use of these words here in the UK because of or in spite of the Americanisation of the language?

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         GA Andersonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         OMG! aarrgghhhh!
         
         Urban Dictionary
         ARGH
         1. An exclaimation of annoyance, exasperation, or other negative factor.
         2. The sound a made by a stereotypical pirate.
         
         Kathryn, why the hell do you think you have to explain words to people? Are you making assumptions of their intellect or understanding? Do you think most here view it as a positive contribution?
         
         GA

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            Silverspeederposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe we should start writing in our translations so as not to upset our forum friends.
            
            English
            The fact that you saw fit to give the dictionary definition of untoward was I believe a genuine attempt to help readers understand what context I was using to describe the situation.
            
            American
            Dem words aint be dissin me moma

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you Silverspeeder.
               1. I was helping to clarify your message.
               2. It is imperative to comprehend the definition of unknown words as one reads. 
               3. Untoward is a quaint and unusual word.
               4. They can look up their own words from now on.

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                  John Holdenposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  It may be a quint and unusual word to you . . .

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     No, not to the British, I suppose. Especially the ones who still wear velvet and lace or carry swords.
                     
                     By the way, John, when the Moody Blues played here awhile back, they wore Hawaiian shirts. I was so disappointed.  I thought sure they would wear velvet and lace!

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                        John Holdenposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Whereas you all wear buckskin!

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                     Zelkiiroposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     You mean "quaint"?

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                        John Holdenposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Oops

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