A PRODIO Thread [decoding the true nature of maya and reality]

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   Prodioposted 9 years ago

   What do we indicate to - when we use the word - real?
   
   
   
   Are imaginations real? Well - when we imagine - we are obviously doing/using something (materialists = electricity of the nervous system/ others = spirit).
   
   So - though the contents of a fantastic imagination might not be necessarily true (example: I may imagine that I have won a lottery, of the worth, say, one million. So, though the content of this imagination is not real - nonetheless I am engaged in a very real activity.
   
   Just like the contents of a TV show may be fake - but the TV is definitely using electricity to run its circuits and mechanisms.
   
   
   
   
   
   I would say that few people perceive reality (on its cosmic, even beyond, scale) - as it is.
   
   
   So - why and how do they develop this - kind of - spiritual myopia: I think they (we) develop it as a result of sin. The more we sin, the more ripples rise on the surface of the mirror-like lake, that once used to reflected reality with incredible precision.
   
   It is safe to say that there isn't even one human being alive, who hasn't sinned in his/her life. This world is actually a sinners' world.
   
   
   
   
   
   It has been my experience, that for most adults, the universe that exists outside of their municipalities, does not exist. For them - the stars do not exist. They never stare at the sky in wonder when they face this absolute nothingness - and all these stars and planets and meteors and comets moving in grandeur. These wonderful things don't ever impress them.
   
   For them, the world doesn't really exist too. What really exists - are municipalities, or localities. Not the entire world. Not all the continents and this huge body of water - that is the ocean of this planet. Well - the planet doesn't exist as well.
   
   These spiritually myopic people run this world. They are its school-teachers, politicians, artists, painters, poets, film directors, media personnel, soldiers, doctors, educators, and even heads of religious sects and authors of religions.
   
   
   
   
   Those who are innocent and spiritual, might find this world to be like a grand 'spiritual prison'. But they don't have anywhere else to go. Do they?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Prodio:
      Sin can be interpreted as ignorance. We sin because of our lack of awareness. A fall from higher consciousness creates arrogance. And sometimes it is sheer laziness that prevents many from going home. Yet, going home is so comforting!
      TWISI

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         Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         You are totally correct about the awareness thing, and the fall from higher consciousness. I think this is what the Bible-authors tried to signify, when they wrote down the metaphor - "the day that you eat this fruit, that day you will definitely die" - the spiritual death of Adam and Eve.
         
         And - about going home: whatever we do, and whoever we may be - we are ALL destined to return to the Source - as the snow on the mountain is destined to return to the ocean water.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            "...as the snow on the mountain is destined to return to the ocean water," you say. For me it is more like more like salmon swimming upstream with 100% determination to return...
            You asked about imaginations being real:
            Our Creator was the original Imagineer. Therefore we too have this tremendous power. It is a tool for what? Playing with reality? No. I think Creator had a plan. We must know that plan and work to bring heaven to earth.
            ...maybe.

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               Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               To imagine is to create an image or concept in one's mind. In attempting to understand imagination you have first imagined the existence of a God and then attributed the universes creation to said God.
               
               Wouldn't it be best to first understand the purpose of our imaginations are first so we can understand where it came from rather than simply guessing?

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  "PURPOSE FOR OUR IMAGINATIONS" 
                  YOU said that?????
                  Who / what created a purpose?   evolution? ourselves?

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                     Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Maybe the electricity that vibrates through the atoms of our nervous-system - well, perhaps that bestowed us a purpose!

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, all our attributes as humans have had a purpose at some point in history however some of our attributes are the results of other attributes.

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Clear as mud.

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Why do we fear, love, become angry, hate, become jealous? Why do boys fear things coming to attack them from the side while girls are more apt to fear things coming from under the bed?

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              ...why do some imagine they can sail a boat to the Bahams and live off the grid?

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                                 Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Why do some imagine that unicorns exist and then imagine they can use imagination to determine what the unicorns are thinking?

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                                    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Because unicorns are special like that!

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                                    Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Why did you imagine all this?

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                              Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              That doesn't answer it.

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               Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Your analogy is more perfect. What I meant: everyone is destined to die. And yes, if we do not labor, consciously, to return to the Spirit - we will not make it. We will get entangled into reincarnation.
               
               
               
               "No. I think Creator had a plan. We must know that plan and work to bring heaven to earth."
               
               May I request you something? It would be wonderful to hear your thoughts about it.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, if we tune into Creator and find out there is a plan for mankind on earth… there is something to consciously work toward… to fulfill His wish, His desire, His VISION… It must be fantastic… wouldn't you say? After it is fulfilled, then maybe it would be just like the melting snow…. we  all would/could naturally, peacefully flow back into the Ocean.

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                     Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes!

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        I have the feeling that once we realize His vision, we will love to get on board!
                        And how do we realize / tune in / know his vision?
                        Intuition! Each person can connect (through intuition) to the Main Source.
                        ...on the main line. LOL
                        Here is a question for you, Prodio… Do you have intuition?
                        I do!

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           I have some friends who are doing some great work. They are traveling the Bahamas on a boat that runs on electric engine. They have installed some powerful batteries and are powering the engine with solar panels. Off the grid!
                           
                           They are also filming and connecting with like-minded people who are also living off the grid for decades. Well, a good vision. Though partial maybe.
                           
                           
                           http://pureoceantv.com/
                           
                           http://pureoceantv.com/archives/6213

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           We are realizing!

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           So you are going to rely on past experiences to determine there is a creator and then determine what the purpose of the creation was and you think this will give you the correct answer?

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              I presented it as a possibility. If you do not want to consider it, do not.

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           First, I must clarify something. That is - the mechanism of language.
                           
                           Intuition is a word - and like the words 'love', 'happiness', or 'peace' -  they merely indicate something that exists in reality. But unlike the feelings of love or happiness or kindness - the feeling of intuition, I think, has a very broad range.
                           
                           
                           
                           The spirit (our consciousness) may deliver us crucial data that it has decoded and organized - and then understood something so fascinating that it has sent us the intuition to work upon it.
                           
                           Well, the way I described this process is not perfect. But, this is how it usually happens.
                           
                           
                           
                           It is one the more advanced functions of the self-conscious spirits that we are.
                           
                           Other functions like intuition: Any creative works, the arts, painting, music and its appreciation, meditating, composing poetry etc.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Intuition: Clairvoyance:
                              "clairvoyance |kle(ə)rˈvoiəns| noun
                              ... perceiving things or events in the future or beyond normal sensory contact." Dictionary
                              
                              "clairvoyance noun
                              ESP, extrasensory perception, sixth sense, psychic powers, second sight; telepathy." Thesaurus
                              
                              telepathy
                              Telepathy (from the Ancient Greek τῆλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθος, pathos or -patheia meaning "feeling, perception, passion, affliction, experience") is the purported transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction. The term was coined in 1882 by the classical scholar Frederic W. H. Myers, a founder of the Society for Psychical Research, and has remained more popular than the earlier expression thought transference. Wikipedia

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     So you imagine a creator and then imagine his purpose for us. Sure, great why to find reality.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        No, I do not say these things for some unknown quantity of people called US. I say these things to anyone who would like to consider them. If you do not, no one here is cramming them down your throat. No one at all. Intuition is a great way to find reality. If you do not want this skill, each to their own.

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        That's how you imagine reality to be like.

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         HowardBThinameposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         So what is sin, Kathryn? Ignorance or arrogance? Or are both of those only sin "triggers?"  How does sin differ from "mistake?"

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Sin is ignorance. Arrogance arises out of ignorance too. Sin is not knowing the truth. It is an ignoring, forgetting or not accurately perceiving what is true.
            Sin is the same as mistake.  Sins and Mistakes are made in a state of ignorance, (not knowing.) Deliberately evil or wrong actions for the sake of themselves are also done in a state of ignorance. The person thinks the wrong actions will bring some kind of happiness in the form of revenge or  relief. etc.  They won't, but, the person doesn't know it at the time.
            
            We are never bound by our mistakes. We can always turn our lives around by dwelling on what is true and by learning from our mistakes. Thats what Jesus came to say and why he could forgive us.
            The Way I See It.

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               HowardBThinameposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               You are always so gracious - I appreciate your straightforward answers. So - the wages of sin - are not truly death? 
               
               Your position on "deliberately evil or wrong actions for the sake of themselves" certainly rings true when it comes to today's psychiatric science that says people just do what they think will make them feel better (sometimes in the form of trying to be powerful over another).
               
               You definitely have an air of inclusiveness and understanding about you, which I find is not present in some who think they have all the answers.
               
               Good on you!

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I like your brooding stare.
                  The wages of ignorance can certainly be death… but only of the body.

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                     Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Handsome man!

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        I would say that about you too, but there is a woman there in your picture.

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           That's a colleague! hahahaha!

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Do you believe we are both feminine and masculine in our natures... but one is hidden?  A partner of the opposite sex helps us get in touch with our hidden side. For instance, men (generally) have trouble accepting intuition or being intuitive, whereas women (typically) come by it very naturally. Women can help men get in touch with their own intuitive abilities.

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                                 Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Well, men also  (in most cultures) find it hard to cry (tears) before others. They want to be treated as soldiers or protectors of others.
                                 
                                 
                                 I think, as long as we have this physical body, we have a gender. Once out of this body (that is pure spirit), we are genderless.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 But, as you know, some of us find it hard to function into this world without the aid of some kind of pretension.

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                                    Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, we are very identified with our bodies and gender. What makes some people gay? I think some people have a body they took on by mistake (at conception) when they were actually identified with the opposite gender. It just does not make sense to want sex with the same sex. Not politically correct. Sorry.

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       They (gays) are reincarnated souls who have (for some reason) entered into incorrect bodies. For example, a girl might have been abused by her father, and her male friends, when she was young. She felt humiliated throughout her life.
                                       
                                       In her next life (because she had an unfulfilled relief/revenge) she has been delivered into a male body, so she may understand that gender isn't really that important, and how much twisted it can get, if one forgets the main purpose of their journey.
                                       
                                       The same might apply in the case of a man. Someone might have r*ped an innocent woman, and in this incarnation, this ra*pist is sent into (he is born) the house of a man who is abusive to women in general.
                                       
                                       
                                       Some of the victims of these incorrect reincarnations (reincarnations into opposite-sex bodies) can not forget their actual s*xual nature. Because its now built into their souls - they have remained man or woman for so many lives (and experiences) - and how can they forget it so easily?
                                       
                                       It's like asking someone to break a habit in one hour.
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       
                                       This is how I think about it.
                                       
                                       
                                       [However, there are a few more possibilities, as well. But this one (reincarnation) is the most prominent one.]

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                                          EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Very funny stuff, however I certainly wouldn't agree there is any thought put into it.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       This makes sense. We are a weird and wacky bunch, but God loves us all.

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       True. God couldn't love robots either.

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                                          EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          True, God doesn't love anyone but God, so He just stamps out copies of himself and calls them his followers.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       NO, HE CERTAINLY COULD NOT LOVE ROBOTS !!!!!
                                       T H I S ! ! ! !
                                       That would be a great Forum Discussion: "Could God love Robots?"
                                       
                                       In the repeated word of Prodio: Hahahahaha!

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Go on!
                                       
                                       
                                       If you choose not to - then pass over to me!

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh, please be my guest!  Even Better!

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Ok. You may proceed!

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           By the way - this has been a very good discussion. I cordially thank you, and others. Good people of this world must communicate. We have a lot to do together.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Thank You.

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                              EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Nice contradiction there. Of course, it's only a "good discussion" if everyone agrees with you.

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Mais oui!

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                                 Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 So - this is what you found suitable to proceed onto?
                                 
                                 http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2596183

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                     oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Kathryn, I don't know you or your beliefs/phiosophy/religion, etc.  Do you mind sharing with me briefly what they are?  How would you describe yourself if someone like me were to ask you?   I think I know, but don't like to assume.  If you do mind, never mind and no worries.

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               oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               My understanding of sin varies a bit from yours.  To me, sin seems to be something we choose to do that we know is wrong, that our conscience lets us know is wrong at least. 
               
               Or, sin can be not doing something we know we should do.  So either way though, its a sin as I see it by the sheer fact we are not in ignorance about the thing being done.  If we truly were ignorant of whether it was right or wrong, then it may not be a sin to turn from and seek forgiveness for.
               
               Its entirely possible I am not understanding your use of the word ignorance in this case.  Like even with Adam and Eve, before the fall, they answered that they knew it was wrong to break the one rule God gave them.  While their eyes were opened to so much more after the fact, the case seems to be they were not ignorant of the consequences of going against the one rule.  Just how I see it.

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, just like the contents of a TV show, spirits are all from the imagination, they have never been shown to exist.
      
      
      
      
      Those who don't perceive reality for what it is are usually the ones who hold irrational beliefs and have very little understanding of the world around them.
      
      
      
      
      Sorry, but using ones brain to think and reason is not a sin.
      
      
      
      Yes, that would certainly be some of the irrational beliefs held by those who don't perceive reality for what it is.
      
      
      
      That is usually because they have their noses buried in the Bible and have not taken the time to learn much else.
      
      
      
      Sorry, but the 'spiritual' has never been shown to exist, it is little more than irrational belief, hence the so-called "innocent and spiritual" have created their own prisons in their own heads.

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         Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Attention granted. Now may we proceed onto something else?

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         The spiritual is revealed in nature (even wilderness will agree) therefore the spiritual cannot be disproved.
         Evolution itself reveals spirit!
         Bottom Line: You cannot disprove God any more than we can prove it!

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Wonderful contradiction supporting a lame excuse based on something you couldn't possibly know.
            
            
            
            Seriously, we are adults here, Kathryn, not small children.
            
            
            
            That assertion only serves to make your religious beliefs invalid and defeats your own argument.

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               Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               It's a pretty boring reply. A smiley face doesn't contribute much, either.

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, I see, this thread is about Prodio (as the title indicates) so it has to be exciting and not boring. And, from what I see here so far, "exciting" appears to be defined as making up nonsense.
                  
                  So sorry to have not been exciting enough for you.

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                     Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     You need more smiley faces.  hahahaha

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                        EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        I can get them if you want?
                        
                        

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                           Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           !deecorP     
                           
                           
                           hahahahaha!

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               No one is cramming anything down your throat. We are discussing possibilities! Partake or not... yer choice!

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                  Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  ¿sǝıʇıןıqıssod ʇnoqɐ ƃuıʞןɐʇ ǝʍ ǝɹɐ

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                  EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I was partaking, thank you very much for allowing me to participate. Are there any other rules and regulations you might have for the rest of us?

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                     Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2593095

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   oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years ago

   An interesting question!
   
   You said, in part
   
   "It has been my experience, that for most adults, the universe that exists outside of their municipalities, does not exist. For them - the stars do not exist. They never stare at the sky in wonder when they face this absolute nothingness - and all these stars and planets and meteors and comets moving in grandeur. These wonderful things don't ever impress them."
   
   We could be talking about what seems to be true from what we observe of these kinds of people.   
   
   Perhaps it must not impress, though very impressive.  Sin was not something I thought would be brought up, but if true could explain some of what we observe.
   
   I find that that many many people (myself probably included at times) struggle often with some things that are ACTUALLY true, even about their own views at times.  I think this breeds all kinds of things, effects...... 
   
   It seems that some want certain views to be true and correct, the ones they hold (like we all want).  So thus the conflict because the nature of truth about anything, whatever is actually real, doesn't ever bend to anyone's wants or desires.  Since we get to choose from a seeming smorgasboard of views, we think its about choosing a flavor of ice cream or something perhaps.  It isn't.  Our views ACTUALLY do line up, or they do not, with reality.  We can test things and at least come to conclusions about one view being more reasonable over another.
   
   What makes those things the "case" or not, are the details, what is most reasonable in light of all the facts.  THEN, when faced with the truth, how to respond to THAT.  There is a LOT of reaction there, and it looks like different things at times.  A cause and effect.  Thus, what can seem to fool ourselves and others to a degree we are comfortable with.  I think this can cause a fair amount of angst in a person.  So the question becomes, why is this a way to be, to settle for what is obviously less than best?
   
   What explains THOSE things?..... another way to ascertain or get closer to the truth.  I am very convinced not all want the truth, which is reality.  Why that is, might also be explained to a degree, but I will never understand it and life in the mean time is flying by.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      There really is a way to know truth directly. Be open and listen carefully to the receiver within your being. I know this to be true for me. I am getting better at knowing when I am imagining things and when I am perceiving direct knowledge.

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      Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Kathryn summed it up. I think one can not enjoy the world with a toothache.

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         oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         What do you mean by that?

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            Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            We need a certain level of material comfort (and a certain level of spiritual cleanliness) to enjoy the full spectrum of the reality of the cosmos.
            
            
            That means - without a certain amount of fixed income, a home, a healthy body, a clean mind/spirit - we can not enjoy the beauty of the world and the beauty of the cosmos either.
            
            If we are homeless, wandering from street to street unfed, wearing unclean clothes - then whatever we do and however hard we may try - if we gaze at the night sky to enjoy the beauty of the stars and passing comets - we will not succeed at that.
            
            
            Perhaps this is what the Bible authors meant when they wrote the metaphoric story of Adam and Eve committing the original sin - and being blocked out of Paradise.

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               EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               So, now you are comparing the homeless with original sin? Seriously?

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                  Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Where did you read anything like that in my reply?

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                     EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Really? That would mean you are comparing wealth, money and affluence to being a successful Christian?

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                        Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Are you sure he said that, because his bible says something different about the wealthy. You must be mistaken, have to be. You'll see he will set you straight.

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                           EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, I would expect some sort of explanation based on what his god would want him to do, but instead I get the usual non-answer...

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        I must be comparing everything with everything now!  hahahahaha!

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                     oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Lol and welcome to the forums!

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                        AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        The forums: where people say things they don't and half the conversations are spent redefining what was actually said.

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                           oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           You are right on the money there..... Seriously I can't tell you how many times I have to dig way back to say "see, weren't we talking about this?  If not when did it change and what is the new thing? Where's my memo?" Lol

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                              AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Love it. That shall be my new catchall phrase whenever someone asserts that the topic is different than what it actually is and I attempt to get the conversation back on track only for the conversation to turn to why it had to be gotten back on track. "Where's my memo?"

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                                 oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 sounds good, I will join you!
                                 
                                 So often I seem to have to defend something I never said or isn't even my view at all.  Or remind that while I'm happy to discuss this new point, what about that other one? Lol. Can we finish that first? 
                                 
                                 I have goofy terms like "taking the picnic to a new location, lol or "what's really driving this bus?" Lol it helps me keep track a little of what is actually going on in a place with a lot of smoke screens at times, or deep doodoo, for lack of more appropriate or allowable terms! Willing to go through it with people but come on folks, work with me!

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                                    AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Doodoo? hahaha! Sorry this made me laugh. Not in a bad way.

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                                       oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Lol Yeah, I can get silly.

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Prodio wrote "If we are homeless, wandering from street to street unfed, wearing unclean clothes - then whatever we do and however hard we may try - if we gaze at the night sky to enjoy the beauty of the stars and passing comets - we will not succeed at that."
                     
                     Can't see God if your poor homeless and hungry. That's what I got our to that.

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               oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Well now those are some interesting comments that generate more questions.....
               
               I think it would definitely take away from the ability to Focus on the cosmos and it's beauty, if one were to be poor and concerned about shelter or the next meal, etc. on the other hand, gazing out towards a beautiful scene could be all the more beautiful to me..... 
               
               I wonder about the original sin part too, can you expound?

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                  Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, there is no other paradise other than this world. There is no better incarnation than being a human being.
                  
                  
                  
                  The day that Adam and Eve wittingly ate the forbidden fruit - that is - that they crossed a line against their conscience - and engaged into perversion - they lost their spiritual cleanliness and lost the ability to enjoy the beauty, magnificence and grandeur of the universe.
                  
                  Their mind was never the same. And now it focused merely (against their conscious wish) on their bodies and the evil that they had committed.
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  Though it's a story. But - this story - some way or another - applies to every human being that ever appeared into this planet. It's a universal metaphor.

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                     Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     I am just curious if all of your threads are going to begin with "A PRODIO Thread"? I prefer to know who is producing my threads before I read them. I realize we could read the author's name under the title, but your way makes it quick and easy. I like that.

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                     Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     How an you know that? Perhaps being a whale that lives hundreds of years and communicating through song is better.
                     You just made that up. It simply says they die.
                     
                     No, they simply had knowledge and the writers wanted people to think that knowledge was a bad thing, but it's just a story right.

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2598216

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        "We ought to remember that religion uses language in quite a different way from science. The language of religion is more closely related to the language of poetry than to the language of science. True, we are inclined to think that science deals with information about objective facts, and poetry with subjective feelings. Hence we conclude that if religion does indeed deal with objective truths, it ought to adopt the same criteria of truth as science. But I myself find the division of the world into an objective and a subjective side much too arbitrary. The fact that religions through the ages have spoken in images, parables, and paradoxes means simply that there are no other ways of grasping the reality to which they refer. But that does not mean that it is not a genuine reality. And splitting this reality into an objective and a subjective side won't get us very far."
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        ~ Niels Bohr   [[in response to questions on the nature of language, as reported in Discussions about Language (1933)]

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                     oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     What do you think about a possible resurrection and a new earth, heaven, text?  How do you know this is the only paradise?  Or maybe you mean just for now, In this life, this existence?

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        As long as we are having these physical bodies - this world is the only paradise (unless there are other inhabitable planets out there that we are unaware of) that we will ever find to be in.
                        
                        The ultimate paradise would be if we can reach (near) the cosmic spirit - that we call God.
                        
                        
                        
                        If enough human beings can manage to regain their spiritual cleanliness - and if enough human beings awaken spiritually - then that would possibly solve some of the major issues that we face today (we are not really living in a very peaceful and friendly world. are we?). And we may get closer to realizing the vision that God had for us when It left us here.That awakening may bring to life the biblical prophecy of a new heaven and a new earth.

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                           Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           You are right, we are NOT living in a very peaceful and friendly world. What can and should we do about that? Has religion gotten us there? If we want a peaceful and friendly world than way are we using the moral teaching and laws of people who kept slaves and buried children in pillars to assure nothing bad would happen to the pillars?

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                              Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              My contention is that religion and spirituality are two completely separate issues. We would do well not to mix these two.
                              
                              We are spiritual beings. We all aspire (except some of us) love, happiness, friendship and companionship, peace, understanding and prosperity.
                              
                              
                              
                              You can deny religion. But you can not deny these.
                              
                              Those achieve these, and to establish these into this world - we first need to regain our 'lost' spiritual cleanliness [some might call this the opening of the third eye].

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                                 Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Am not sure how you define spirituality, you may have to help on that one.
                                 
                                 If we agree that a society full of love, happiness, friendship and companionship, peace, understanding and prosperity is the objective than we need to figure out what works and what doesn't. If we know what is good we don't need someone to tell us what is good. We certainly don't need a God that tells us to burn witches what is good for him so it's good for us. Especially if what is good for him requires our suffering. That would be a clue that version of God is not good.

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                                    Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    What you said in the second part of your reply - is quite correct.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    The human entity is composed of two things:
                                    
                                    1) a physical human body
                                    
                                    2) self consciousness or spirit [most of the time we
                                    are satisfied to simply call it mind.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    We may use any word to indicate this thing - but - what is truly important is this: that this thing is a reality.
                                    
                                    As I know (and many others know) - this thing comes preloaded with its unique features [example: by default, it both carries and aspires things like love, happiness, friendship and companionship, peace, understanding, prosperity etc.
                                    
                                    
                                    
                                    The pursuit of these things (in want of a better word) can be termed as spirituality.

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                                       Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Okay, that's a fair definition. The reason I asked is that for many it means something else. But if when you say spirit you mean that drive for happiness, that I can relate to.

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                                 EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 It's actually very easy to deny your assertion that we are spiritual beings with third eyes considering there is no evidence whatsoever, it's just childish make believe.

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                                    Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Ya sure! hahahahaha!

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       We can be thankful for any comic relief!

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                           EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry, but blind faith and ignorance is never going to solve the worlds problems, they actually are the cause of many of the worlds problems.

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                              Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              That just makes sense... that ignorance causes many of the world's problems. Ignorance is not a positive attribute.

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                              Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              It seems, by observing the way that you speak, as if we need your 'mature' advice before we take up any enterprise to solve them.
                              
                              hahahaha!

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               AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Funny. I used to be homeless. I lived in a hotel for about a year and was too sick to work, and was always wondering how I was going to get money for groceries. Alot of time, I skipped meals because there was nothing to eat. I was in constant physical danger from the people around me and had only a couple sets of clothes. Let me tell you, living like that  made things like the sky, the stars, and nature that much more beautiful.

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                  oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry to hear about that difficult time, and sorry you were sick too.  You have a unique perspective on it for sure.   And see, that is exactly what I thought might be the case  with nature.  I think it could hit us in more deep and unique way.

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                     AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh it's not a big deal, but I appreciate the comment. It made me a stronger person, so that's all that matters. I assure you, my perspective was not quite so positive at the time ha. I think being put in a situation of destitution causes you to actually think about what is ABSOLUTELY necessary. I found the following: food, water, and sleep. That's it. The beauty of nature was a luxury I couldn't afford to live without.

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                  Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Well - you had enough to secure your dignity.

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                     AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Indeed. Well actually, let me edit that. No I didn't. I was not able to retain my dignity at all. I said "indeed" at first, without really thinking about how I felt back then.
                     
                     But regardless, my point was that I did not need a fixed income (which I didn't have)  a home (which I did not have) a healthy body (which I certainly did not have) and a clean body mind and spirit (which I also did not have) in order to enjoy the cosmos.

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        But that's not the criteria that I put down there. I said: homeless, wandering from street to street unfed, wearing unclean clothes.
                        
                        That has a different kind of urgency. I think, basically, if you can manage to get a place or room to live in - that makes the other issues a lot easier to deal with.
                        
                        I feel bad that you had to go through that phrase in your life. But many do. The world is kind of like that.

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                           AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           I was responding to the first part of your quote:
                           
                           "We need a certain level of material comfort (and a certain level of spiritual cleanliness) to enjoy the full spectrum of the reality of the cosmos.
                           
                           
                           That means - without a certain amount of fixed income, a home, a healthy body, a clean mind/spirit - we can not enjoy the beauty of the world and the beauty of the cosmos either."
                           
                           
                           If we are homeless, wandering from street to street unfed, wearing unclean clothes - then whatever we do and however hard we may try - if we gaze at the night sky to enjoy the beauty of the stars and passing comets - we will not succeed at that. "
                           
                           
                           I assumed the latter portion (the third paragraphs) was simply an example of the first two. If it was your intention to define your first paragraph by that exclusively, then I was mistaken.
                           Yes many people do. If my response was perceived as a claim to pity (and I do hope it was not, some people may have thought that) then I want to clarify that I hate pity towards myself. I was giving an example of my own life because that example to me is the most clear and understandable to me. if you never have been destitute in the way you described to me, then I can also safely assume you would not know if it is possible or not to enjoy the cosmos. However, if someone who has been at least close to that situation found that the closer they got to that situation of ultimate poverty (materially, physically, mentally), the more they were able to appreciate the cosmos, I think it creates a logical POSSIBILITY that someone may be able to appreciate and enjoy this cosmos while in that state.

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                              Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, if someone doesn't have even a penny - has no food or any resources - but if he finds himself/herself in a Bahamian or Jamaican beach where there is no one except him/her (and there are such lonely places) - or if he/she finds himself/herself lost and poor in the Himalayan borders of Nepal, or in the Austrian terrains and...  I mean - there are a h*ll lot of grand and beautiful places where there are little or no people.
                              
                              
                              Apply the same situation to New York or Beijing. If someone finds himself/herself penniless in those cities, without housing, water, sanitation, food water electricity... 
                              
                              
                              
                              
                              I respect you. I feel what you went through. That is it. Sorry if I became a bit more goofy than necessary. I wan't born with a silver spoon either. And I went through h*ll quite early.

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                                 AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Oh heavens no. I don't mind if you're goofy. I just didn't really think that how I suffered was relevant to the topic.
                                 
                                 Hmmm....I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree on the whole concept about needing certain things in order to enjoy the cosmos.

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                                    Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    The second part was quite goofy!

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   AshtonFireflyposted 9 years ago

   Do you mind if I ask why you refer to yourself (or more specifically, your username) in third person? Or does "Prodio" stand for something besides an identifier of yourself?

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      Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I like the way it sounds.

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         AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Fair enough I guess.

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            Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Would you mind if I ask you about fireflies?

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               AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Sure why not.

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                  Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Let's talk about the fireflies of Ashton!

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                     AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     I am firefly. It's my nickname. You know, AshtonFirefly. A friend in college gave me that nickname. Stuck with me ever since. That's the incredibly complex and interesting story of Ashton's fireflies.

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                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        How does that match your personality?

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                           AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't know. I don't know what kinds of personalities fireflies have....

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                              Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, isn't that (firefly) a metaphor for something? Fireflies live off the grid - they produce their own electricity to light their inbuilt lamps. Things like that, you know!

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                                 AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'm not sure.
                                 
                                 I'm assuming it meant a light, or one who lights up someone's darkness. Maybe my college friend thought I was like a light in darkness. I don't really know.
                                 
                                 Well I don't produce electricity and I don't have an inbuilt lamp, so I'm guessing it's probably safe to throw that idea out.

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                                    Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                    Why didn't he/she call you AshtonStar - or even AshtonNebula - instead?

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                                       AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Because it sounds funny. He didn't call me Ashtonfirefly, he called me Firefly. Hence, "hi firefly!" as opposed to "hi nebula!" or "hi star!"

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Hi Prodio!

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Yes we've already established you like your name. lol.

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       There's something in it.

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Something in what?

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       In prodios and fireflies of the world.

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          And what's in it?

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Is that my intuition that you're having an intuition?

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          No. It's me responding to you stating that there's something in them.

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       I think both of these species live off the grid. There are more, besides.

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          A prodio is a species?

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Valhalla - my friends' boat that runs on solar panels. Off the grid!
                                       
                                       

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                                          EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          You know Terry Sargent?

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                                          oceansnsunsetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Now that is cool

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       Just as a firefly is a species.

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                                          AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                          Ok I have no idea what a prodio is. You know what a firefly is. This is the key difference here. lol.

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                                       Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                       But both sounds off-the-grid!

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        A prodio is a prodio!

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                                           AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                           Well gee I wonder why I didn't see it that way before! Clear as mud!
                                           
                                           Seriously. What the heck is prodio?

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        Well, that's difficult to consciously pin down what a prodio is. A prodio is quite like a guy, or entity, who wins a nobel prize without ever going to a school!
                                        
                                        You know.. Off the grid!

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                                           AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                           How can you answer if you're not conscious?
                                           
                                           Ok. That definition works for me. However strange it may be.

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                                           psycheskinnerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                           Is there any general source for this definition?
                                           Or did you just make it up.

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        Well, it's actually difficult to put it into language the way it exactly is. I just gave you a faint idea of what a prodio is!

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        Fireflies are cool, anyway.

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                                           AshtonFireflyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                           loll okay

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        

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                                        Prodioposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                        Anyone wishing to know more about Valhalla - and the adventure that it and its crew are currently having in and around the Bahamas - search PureOceanTV.com. They are both on the net and on facebook.

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   psycheskinnerposted 9 years ago

   If you are saying we all must be spiritual, I suggest you say what that means.  I suspect that I disagree, because I am materialist (by the philosophical definition of the word, not the Cyndi Lauper definition) and so pretty much do not believe in anything tangibly spiritual.

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