60,7% of the Americans thinks that the US aid to Israel is excessive

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   maxoxam41posted 9 years ago

   I do agree given that Detroit needs an IV, given that 15 million children are living in food insecure households, given that 3.5 million people will experience homelessness in a given year, given that the unemployment rate is 23%.... Your opinion?

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      wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Just guessing here, but I think 60.7% of Americans thinks that US foreign aid is excessive, not just that to Israel.  And, as you say, I would agree; put our own house in order before we ship boatloads of money overseas.

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         maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

         No, the survey underlined Israel specifically.

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            wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Irrelevant, except it does go to show that polls can be made to show anything desired.  If someone dislikes that the US gives so much, they will almost always agree that it gives too much to every recipient with few exceptions.  With insufficient data (what is the response to foreign aid in general) to go with the question the poll seems to indicate that only aid to Israel is overdone when it really is all of it.
            
            Have to be very careful with such results as they often give true results, but results that are very skewed in appearance because of the questions asked.  Reputable pollsters do their best to eliminate such results; those pushing an agenda do their best to produce them.

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               maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Very convenient isn't it?
               Since you are so interested why don't you bring us the data that will contradict the allegation? Why don't you give the share allocated to foreign aid and parallelly the share proper to Israel? At least, you will make sense but pretend that you know so, it's a bit much for me.

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                  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Same reasoning used by another hubber: it is not my task to provide proof, just opinion.  It is up to you to do your own research.

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      Quilligrapherposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Greetings, Max. Strange that you think Detroit needs an IV.
      
      Overall, total Auto Market Sales for all U.S. manufacturers has increased every year since the “great recession” ended in 2009. {1}
      
      Year to date Auto Market Sales for all U.S. manufacturers for Jan-Sep 2014 is already greater than the identical nine months in the previous five years. Reuters reports new vehicle sales in October 2014 are projected to be 6% greater than a year ago and will exceed every October since 2004.
      
      “(Reuters) - J.D. Power & Associates and LMC Automotive on Monday forecast that U.S. new vehicle sales for October would show a rise of 6 percent from a year ago to 1.27 million vehicles, which translates to an annualized selling rate of 16.3 million vehicles.
      This would be the highest level of new vehicle sales for October since 2004.”{2}
      
      Detroit is back to where it was in 2007.
      
      {1} http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/10/us … gures.html
      {2} http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/ … N720141027

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Are you sure?  Without researching, Detroit is not the city it once was; the car manufacturing has left, probably for good.  While auto sales are up, they aren't coming out of Detroit in anything like the numbers from decades ago but from overseas and other locations in the country.  From what I've seen, Detroit is little more than a massive slum now, in desperate need of jobs and general help.  I don't think you can equate Detroit to the auto industry any more.

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            Quilligrapherposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Wilderness. Nice to see you here.
            
            I stand corrected. I can see now where Max’s reference to Detroit was likely about the city and not about the auto industry which is thriving. My apologies to Max.
            

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               wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Well, that's how I took it anyway.  The city, not the industry that used to flourish in that city.
               
               It's pretty sad, to see what has happened to that once thriving city.  Heck, as a kid our family took a train from Oregon to Detroit to pick up a new car and save shipping; it paid for the trip.  Although a truck backed into the brand new car at the first gas station...

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               maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Why would Max care about corporations? What about the people? Aren't you one of them? Us?

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               maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Apologies not accepted. First do your research then apply the factor "relevance" then criticize me.

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         maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I guess our source of information diverge. A couple of days ago, I read an article stressing the collusion between the corporations and the Unions to undermine the people's rights in Detroit. If the automobile industry won, the people lost and they are still suffering.

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            wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I don't quite see the corporations being winners in Detroit any more than the people in general were.  The unions (and their members) won big for many years, just as the corporations did, but it's all gone now.

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               maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Are you a corporation or are you the people? What is to 'win big' for the people? Because they were making a decent living? Then if they did what about the corporations that employed them? When the corporations have been having the laws, Congress and the government in their pockets for years in what way having ONLY the unions on their side is reprehensible?

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                  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Whether I "side" with corporations or employees is irrelevant.  The root of the problems of Detroit can be found in unrealistic, unsustainable demands from the unions, so if you wish to assign blame for the current woes of the city, look there.  Not to the people that didn't pay the unions (but HAVE paid the price for union excesses) and not to the people owning or running the corporations.  Look to the people that made the demands for wages that far outstripped the value of what they produced.

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                     maxoxam41posted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Indeed it is relevant since it flaws the problem.
                     Detroit problems are linked to offshore delocalization. When most American companies that benefitted of incommensurable advantages leave it affects the employment, that affects the demand, that impacts the economy... Do you see where I'm heading with it?
                     Which unsustainable and unrealistic demands were they? Why don't you criticize corporations? Because if you don't it shows that you are biased and if you are, you lose all objectivity and in that case why wasting your time answering?

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                        wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        "Why don't you criticize corporations? Because if you don't it shows that you are biased and if you are, you lose all objectivity and in that case why wasting your time answering?"
                        
                        Why don't YOU criticize the greedy individuals wanting more than they value of their labor?  Because if you don't it shows that you are biased and without objectivity and in that case why waste your time posting?

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