High Hub Score - Now Want?

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   paperfacetsposted 9 years ago

   What. Now What? is what I want to say. Sorry.
   I have transferred to HubPages from Squidoo. All my Hubs have received all the same visits pattern as they did on Squidoo. I did get an added boost of $ for being in Tier one there.
   
   I have optimized here and have some Hubs that have gone into the 90's and high 80's. That took some problem solving and time and I feel pretty good to see those numbers rise. The only thing is I am wondering about my rewards for meeting those Hub Scores.
   
   Those articles with the extra work get no more visits than they have for years and now it seems I see 0s for days. I realize certain criteria is wanted but it seems there is no extra pennies for my efforts at compiling. I realize HubPages gives more visibility to higher scores but how do I know these Hubs are getting the extra look-see?

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      Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Is it possible that you're looking at the scores before they have updated?

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         paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I do not know what you mean. I am wondering about getting the higher scores and seeing no benefits in cash or visits.

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            Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I was just referring to the visits. The count is not an immediate count. It's (I believe what Matthew referred to as) a rolling count. It changes throughout the day to reflect actual views. I just wondered if you had possibly checked them too soon after posting. If this has been going on for a while, unless stats aren't updating, that isn't your issue.

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               paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               I do get a happier feeling when I look at Analytics.

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            calculus-geometryposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Unfortunately, as you have discovered, the scores are not the best predictors of earnings or traffic.
            
            I have a hub with a score of 75 that is responsible for about 15% of my traffic.  Meanwhile I have hubs with scores in the 90s that are duds.
            
            Search engines don't see or take into account hubscores; the scores are purely an internal rating system here on this site.  What will bring in more traffic is to write about things people care about and outrank other pages on the same topic.  Sometimes improving a page to help it outrank competitors in search engines will result in a higher hubscore.  Since you can't predict how making changes to a hub will influence its score, it's best to improve pages with readers and search engines in mind, not the mysterious HP scoring algorithm.

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               paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Okay, HubPages wants us to write with a certain appearance and a level of authority, plus correctness in grammar. When we achieve this it is a pat on the back only? I do not mind, but I think that is what the Hubscore is and I want to get this aspect of HubPages clear in my mind.
               
               I guess the score is suggestions only to help us with a well written article. Might say. HPs thinks this is a very good Hub, now go with it, and do what you can on the Internet.

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                  calculus-geometryposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I think that's the best way to frame the hubscore if you want to preserve your sanity. 
                  
                  Something that might be a source of frustration/confusion is that the hubscores do not work the same way as Squidoo's tiers, in that your monthly earnings on HP are a function of how many page impressions you get, not where you landed in an internal ranking system. 
                  
                  You can be sure there are HP users with lots of very thin-content hubs who yet get a lot of views and make good money each month, despite having dismal scores.  And there are users with very high average hubscores who unfortunately do not get much traffic and barely make payout.

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                     paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     I have been transferring some low score Hubs to another site. Maybe I should not.

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                        Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        No, I don't think you should.   Scores have no impact on earnings potential and therefore there is no harm in having a low scoring Hub.
                        
                        The only time you should delete and move a Hub is if it becomes unFeatured for lack of engagement.   That means it has been made invisible to the search engines, so it has no chance of getting traffic.    It can happen to even a high-scoring Hub because it's not related to scores.   
                        
                        If you're not familiar with the Featured/unFeatured process, I have a Hub about it - you'll find it in the slider on my profile.

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                  Sed-meposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  They don't pat me on the back...it's more a pat on the head. I think they feel sorry for me.

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      Maina Ndunguposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      If you want to get the kind of traffic you will be proud of, write search-friendly hubs. Employ the so called small seo tools as well and don't be obsessed with product capsules.
      As far as hubscores are concerned, someone needs to tell me what they mean and imply.

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         paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I guess that is what I am trying to find out. I have figured out how to get higher scores. But what is the plus or award for getting them that I can see. Maybe I can get stats showing it is getting more visibly.
         
         Or is the score It.

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      relacheposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      HubScores do not have any effects on earnings here.  A Hub with a lower score could earn more than one with a higher score if it connects with and converts its traffic more effectively.

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   Fire8stormposted 9 years ago

   I am very new to Hubpages but my understanding of the hub score is that its an internal score from Hubpages regarding the quality and popularity of your hub (which is why it can change). 
   
   I think the better your hub score the better featured it will be within the Hubpages community which in turn may generate more traffic to your hub from within the site.  I don't think your hub score has any benefit to your earnings directly as it is an internal measure.  Saying that, the more people who visit your hub, the more possibility they may share with others for example which increases the chances of earning through more visits, potentially.
   
   This is just my understanding so far, I hope it helps a little.

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      paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, fire8storm,
      The sentence, "I think the better your hub score the better featured it will be within the Hubpages community." is what I am trying to clarify. Instead of "think" how can we "know" it is featured higher?

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         Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure what they mean by that either, but it hardly matters.   The active community on HubPages is very small, and very few outsiders visit HubPages just to browse around - so being featured on topic pages etc isn't going to do you much good. 
         
         If it decides whether your Hub gets featured in the related Hubs at the end of a Hub - now that would have some value.  But I don't know.
         
         You are absolutely right in your discovery that a high Hubscore is not a predictor of high earnings.  It's an internal score and even the CEO admits it's so complicated it's not worth worrying about!!

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            paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            What should be the score of the Hub to be placed at the end of the page?

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               Marisa Wrightposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know, I don't even know if the score is a factor.

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               galleryofgraceposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Paperfacets:
               Hubs used at the ends of other hubs are chosen strictly by topic to provide additional reading on the subject.

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         TIMETRAVELER2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

         When a hub is featured, that only means that it has met the criteria for being acceptably written.  A higher score on an article does not mean it gets any more visibility than a lower score.  This system is HP's way of giving writers a guideline for producing acceptable work, however, to get views, Google must give it a good ranking, which means it will have a better placement on their search pages.
         
         A hub score is more or less based on the QAP guidelines plus a few other things and has absolutely no impact on anything.  A Hubber score is a compilation of things to which we are not privy that include how active you are on the site, how much you interact, etc.  Both of those scores can and do change regularly.
         
         Unfortunately, in the world of online writing things can change rapidly.  It all really depends on Google and what people are interested in reading.  Confusing?  Yes.  Upsetting?  Yes.  But it is what it is!

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            paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            What you say is so true.
            
            One thing though is 2.0 websites do give a measure of entertainment. I always post more here than on my blog.

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   Fire8stormposted 9 years ago

   Hi paperfacets,
   
   I don't think there is a way that we can 'know' if a higher score does indeed mean the hub is featured more.   The help pages say that's how it works and that sounds feasible to me.  By the sound of it the algorithm used to calculate the score is rather complex and you can't use it to predict your traffic or earnings. It changes a fair bit too, for reasons unknown.
   
   My philosophy, I think, is going to be a high score is nice and makes me feel good but it's not something I am going to worry about too much!

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      rebekahELLEposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I think that's a healthy way to think about hubs scores.  I do like to notice those that move up into the high 90's and sometimes will check Webmaster Tools for keywords and see which sites are linking to those hubs.

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         paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         When the keyword tools changed in Google I gave up on doing any minor SEO on keywords. They are always throwing changeups at us. Frustration speaking here.

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            rebekahELLEposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, I should have made myself more clear.  I check WMT for those particular hubs to see which keywords are bringing in traffic.  I don't use the keyword tool at all anymore.  I've read that search engines are focusing less on single keywords and are analyzing content clusters; subjects/topics which are centered around keywords and use a variety of related terms.

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               paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               Ah-ha. I see. Thanks.

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      paperfacetsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks fire8storm,
      
      I have been doing some tweeting and I found a new site called Hometalk, which is like Pinterest, for  more promoting.

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   Fire8stormposted 9 years ago

   Paperfacets....
   
   Hometalk?  Thanks for the tip, I will go and have a look! 
   
   As for Analytics, I've just got that set up and am still trying to figure out what it all means, but I agree it does look more encouraging than the numbers under my HP account....I'm learning, definitely learning!

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      TIMETRAVELER2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      What's confusing about analytics is that they count views for each day whereas HP counts them as they show up...so for example, whatever your numbers are at 7 AM one day will upgrade to that time the next...whereas analytics goes from midnight to midnight for all of your views.
      
      I really wish HP would count the way analytics does...also, it drives me crazy that they both count your own views with the others, so you never exactly know what you have!

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