Humans are only species not requiring female's permission to mate.

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   paradigmsearchposted 8 years ago

   The full and more descriptive title wouldn't fit, it would be:
   
   Humans are nature's only species not requiring the female's cooperation tor intercourse to take place.
   
   Fortunately, society does.
   
   As to humans being the only exception, that really is odd; don't know what anthropology-wise or biology-wise to make of it. Or philosophy-wise for that matter.
   
   I can't wait to see how many ways this thread is misunderstood...

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      lovetherainposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure? How do you know that?

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         paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Basically, if someone can mention another species where rape is possible, then this thread is done.

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            lovetherainposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I did a quick search and couldn't come up with anything scientific. But I didn't search long because it was really uncomfortable. Maybe someone else will find something. It is an interesting subject, though. What if it's true? That would leave a lot of questions to ponder.

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               paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Agreed, it indeed does. That is open to discussion here as well.

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            Susana Sposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Ducks.

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               paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  … a male duck. The ones that have a dark green head and white collar. The brown ones are safe. Now if they're white, it will be hard to tell. Unless they are wearing sunglasses.

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I suppose you could tell by the look in their eye if they happen to not be wearing shades ... which come to think of it they usually don't.

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            psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Dolphin
            Scott, E. M., Mann, J., Watson-Capps, J. J., Sargeant, B. L., & Connor, R. C. (2005). Aggression in bottlenose dolphins: evidence for sexual coercion, male-male competition, and female tolerance through analysis of tooth-rake marks and behaviour. Behaviour, 142(1), 21-44.
            
            Chimpanzee
            Muller, M. N., Kahlenberg, S. M., Thompson, M. E., & Wrangham, R. W. (2007). Male coercion and the costs of promiscuous mating for female chimpanzees. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences, 274(1612), 1009-1014.

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               paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               And more..., http://hubpages.com/education/forum/135 … ost2808432

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      lovetherainposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      http://harvardmagazine.com/1997/01/right.chimp.html
      
      This is not a scientific paper, but it is from Harvard Magazine, saying that chimpanzees commit rape.

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         paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         That was one heck of an article!!! I guess we know who our ancestors were!!!

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            lovetherainposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, too bad we aren't more like the hippie bonobos.

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               paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I guess I should have known chimps would be rapists, same basic body design.

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      brimancandyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That is 100 percent not true. I was recently watching a nature program,, and there is a certain animal from the deer, moose, gazell family, that does not require a females permission to mate.
      
      I am not sure which one it is. But this animal uses a snort to warn other animals in its herd of pending danger. If a male animal of that herd can not find a mate in it's herd, it uses that same snort to cause the heard to run, than it waits for a females that have tired and picks the slowest one, and just jumps on her back. Mates with her and leaves. Leaving the female wondering what happened. if it can't find a female it looks for a slow male.
      
      Animals are not very picky about who they choose to mate with. There is another male member of that same group that will not mate with the same animal more then once. But, the animal may mate with more than one female in a day.
      
      Animals are much worse than humans.

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   Live to Learnposted 8 years ago

   Dolphins rape other dolphins.

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      paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      How does the male dolphin restrain the female dolphin in order to accomplish that?
      
      Edit. Come to think of it, I wonder how the chimps do it, strangulation?

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         GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Now that is a good question!
         
         GA

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         Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         It's gang rape

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            paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Dolphins, no. But this article blows my thread out of the water.
            
            http://justingregg.com/the-dolphin-rape-myth/
            
            "Forced copulation has been observed in ducks, lizards, monkeys, fruit flies, crickets, orangutans, chimpanzees, and countless other species."

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               Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You might tell the oceanographers on the Discovery Channel and National Geographic. They would, I'm sure, discuss it with you at length.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   What are you saying?
   Q Are Humans nature's only species not requiring the female's permission to mate?
   
   A. Human females  A L L  REQUIRE  permission to "mate" ! ! ! ! ! !
   
   Other questions:
   
   1. Do only males force sexual behavior / mating upon females in the human species / population?
   
   2. Do males 'require permission to mate" when / if confronted by an aggressive female in the human species / population.
   
   3. Do all females in the animal kingdom "require permission to mate"?
   How about bugs, and non-egg laying species.
   
   4. Do females of other species force "mating" / (sex) upon males? (say, Black Widow spiders?)
   
   5. How come animals don't mate with the opposite sex of OTHER species?
   (6. WHY do Humans try this once in a while?)
   
   7. Why do humans try to "mate" with those who are below the age of being able to reproduce?
   
   8. Why would anyone call it "mating" when it is just casual sex / one night stands (for humans) or barnyard sex (for chickens, cows, sheep and goats??)
   
   Wondering now!

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   (The very word, MATING, implies consent / willingness.)
   
   Q. True or False: Human males are nature's only creation which force sexual intercourse upon females without their consent / willingness.
   A. False. There are males in other species which force sexual intercourse upon females within their own species.
   
   Q. Human females are nature's only creation which force sexual intercourse upon males without their consent.
   A. False. No females in ANY species have the TOOL to force sexual intercourse upon males.
   
   To summarize: The un-regulated male nature, (aggressiveness in combination with the male apparatus / tool,) in the human species and in SOME other species, (as listed elsewhere in this thread,) enables, inspires, and causes them to rape females of their own species…( well, in all other species EXCEPT human.)

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      mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "Q. Human females are nature's only creation which force sexual intercourse upon males without their consent.
      A. False. No females in ANY species have the TOOL to force sexual intercourse upon males."
      
      I'm not sure about other animals (the female hyena might have a case) but human females can and do use tools to force sex, like coercion. Unless you define rape to be penetrative this shouldn't be excluded.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   "... human females can and do use tools to force sex, like coercion."
   
     I am talking about a certain physically attatched tool and you are talking about psychological "tools" of persuasion????
   
   
   "Unless you define rape to be penetrative, (uh, yes , ) this (psychological persuasion / psychic rape) shouldn't be excluded.
   
   I beg to differ.
   
   Rape:
   On-line Dictionary Definition:
   the crime, typically (?) committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse, ( ,) with him without their consent and against their will, esp. by the threat or use of violence against them:
   
   2 the wanton destruction or spoiling of a place or area:

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      mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "I am talking about a certain physically attatched tool and you are talking about psychological "tools" of persuasion"
      
      I understood your reference. I expanded it to include other forms of unwanted sex which can be considered rape, which do not involve force.
      
      "I beg to differ"
      
      Your own definition proves you wrong. Notice the word "typically." Look up that one in the dictionary.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   Persuading someone involves the other's will(ingness). Men know this trick too. It works quite well, actually. AND IT AIN'T RAPE!

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      mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. Persuading someone does not equal coercing someone.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         coercion
         
         Dictionary: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats:
         
         
         Thesaurus: force, compulsion, constraint, duress, oppression, enforcement, harassment, intimidation, threats, arm-twisting, pressure.

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            mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I can't tell if you are agreeing or contesting my point, but I'll leave this to clarify:
            
            Persuade
            
            verb (used with object), persuaded, persuading.
            1. to prevail on (a person) to do something, as by advising or urging:
            We could not persuade him to wait.
            2. to induce to believe by appealing to reason or understanding; convince:
            to persuade the judge of the prisoner's innocence.
            
            Nothing involving threats or force here. Your definition is using "persuading" as a manner of speaking (otherwise, rape itself would be considered a form of persuasion).

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You used the word coercion as an act of rape. I do not think coercion by a female can be considered rape.
               repeating:
               "So, I heard a case where a woman tied up a male and danced provocatively in front of him ....
               Coercion is not an example of the female rape of a male. My stand is this: It is impossible for a female to rape a grown man with her natural apparatus including mental coercion. On one level the man was willingly aroused, even though he was tied up against his will. Name one incident and I will change my mind.

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                  mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  "You used the word coercion as an act of rape"
                  
                  I used the word coercion as a possible mechanism for rape. Refer back to your own definitions.
                  
                  Rape: the crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse, with him without their consent and against their will, esp. by the threat or use of violence against them
                  
                  Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats
                  
                  "repeating:
                  "So, I heard a case where a woman tied up a male and danced provocatively in front of him.
                  I would say she raped herself. self-rape." "
                  
                  You can repeat that but it won't make any more sense. Dancing does not constitute any form of rape, and self-rape is a nonsensical concept.
                  
                  "Coercion toward self-rape is not an example of the female rape of a male."
                  
                  The only instance of "self-rape" I can find is people colloquially referring to masturbation addictions. Your example cannot be classified as that. If the woman tied up the man and had sex with him against his will, she raped him. Again, refer to your own definition.
                  
                  "It is impossible for a female to rape a grown man with her natural apparatus including mental coercion. On one level the man was willingly aroused."
                  
                  If you're saying the presence of an erection is enough to constitute consent then you're wrong. It's not. Both men and women can experience physical arousal from unwanted physical stimulation.
                  
                  "Name one incident and I will change my mind."
                  
                  Here are two. First example demonstrates rape by threat of deadly force, the second demonstrates rape via alcohol intoxication and coercion.
                  
                  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 … 82608.html
                  http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/living/ch … male-rape/

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   So, I heard a case where a woman tied up a male and danced provocatively in front of him.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   well, there is a lot more to it than I thought. The second article was especially informative. Thank you.
   I didn't know girls had it in them!  Apparently, some do. It is hard for males to get over it, as well, and it is a serious issue.

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      mrpopoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Anytime. It's certainly rare, but it merits discussion and awareness.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   Humans can act like animals or not.
   They a have a conscious choice to do so or not.
   Why would they avoid acting in an animal-driven way?
   Good question.

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