Why does God hate sinners when he created them like that?

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   Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years ago

   God created everything including the concept of sin, and he created people that he knew would sin before he created them so why did he deliberately create people who he knew would do things that he claimed are "sins" so he would have to send them all to hell for eternity?
   
   Why does god hate us so much?

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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      I must say, this question has some merit.

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         Paul Wingertposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Man without god is just a man. God without man is nothing.

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If he ever truely existed, then I believe he was a sadist. I think that Jesus bloke sounds like a much more understanding guy.

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      amine-sehibiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      1- Who told you that God hates us?
      2-Who told you that God hates sinners?
      3- I'm not so sure, but if you were saying that all sinners would go to hell for eternity, then who told you that?
      4-what is 'the concept of sin'?
      As for the answer for the question "why did he deliberately create people who he knew would do things that he claimed are "sins" so he would have to send them all to hell for eternity?" I would answer you with the following, it's not about the sin, but about the ability to honestly regret your sins and go back to God, that's the point, because we all know that all humans are fallible, imperfect and so damned to commit sins no matter what. hope that answers your question.

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      paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      G-d does not hate sinners. If the sinners repent and ask forgiveness from Him, G-d forgives them. Please
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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         And when the "sin" is an inability to believe in an invisible friend that lives in the sky?  What then?

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            paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            One can always correct one's belief.
            Right? Please
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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Obviously false.  You believe in a god that does not exist - can you correct that belief?  Not just pay lip service to not believing, but actually believe there is no god out there?

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                  paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  What was one's belief before one reached to one's present stance of "G-d does not exist"? Please
                  Regards

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                     wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Many people have never felt the necessity to make up a god to give their life meaning or to provide a moral structure.  For those it is just as it is now; a recognition that the likelihood of a god's existence is very small.  No belief in a god, then.
                     
                     Others have studied what we know of the world and of various god's, concluding the same thing.  They have gone from a belief in one (or more) of the gods man has created to none at all.
                     
                     And still others have decided that they want a god in their lives and chosen such a belief system.
                     
                     Three possibilities, then - do you not find it so?

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                        paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        One did not answer my question.
                        Please don't mention about others, just answer the question in first person, it it is no secret. Please
                        
                        "What was one's belief before one reached to one's present stance of "G-d does not exist"?"
                        
                        Regards

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                           wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I can't answer that personally as that is a belief that I do not hold.  Only whose putting belief on a higher plane than knowledge claim to know whether there is a god or not - the modern gods are defined in such a manner as to make either answer unknowable - and a belief without evidence is something I try to stay away from. 
                           
                           As far as not answering questions, though, you seem to have conveniently skipped over some yourself.  You never did answer the question asked of "You believe in a god that does not exist" - can you correct that belief?

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                              Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Beliefs is a very open ended question , relates greatly to faith and confidence of a person or thing.
                              
                              Even I am more spiritual sided than wilderness and with all my senses.  I can not have faith or confidence in any one Religion or large Group.
                              No groups or Religion on earth has most people's faith and confidence.
                              
                              Unfair question to ask a self made god like wilderness.Lo

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                                 paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 
                                 G-d did not create them sinners. It is a wrong notion. He created everybody born innocent. If one commits sin purposely and intentionally, then one has to blame one's own self. Right? Please
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                                    wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Babies are innocent, yes.  As they grow and brains develop things can change.  Worse, their environment plays a huge part in what they will become.  These things ARE from God, and not assignable to that infant. 
                                    
                                    So yes, God most certainly does play a huge part in whether a person sins or not.  In addition to that, much "sin", as defined by religion, is not necessarily known or understand by the individual that infant becomes.  Again, God has with held vital information from them and is thus to blame.

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                                       paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       Does one mean that one cannot go against the environment? Please
                                       Does one mean that one doesn't have been allowed freedom of choice? Please
                                       
                                       Regards

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                                          Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Parrsurrey
                                          
                                          A side from this thread, why don't more Muslims like you not come these hubpages for discussions. I feel almost totally alone defending the fact that Muslims are not terrorists.  Sure the odd one Muslim may go insane because a million Muslim children have been killed.
                                          
                                          Why do your follow Muslims be a doormatt to the largest terrorists nation in the world?

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                                             paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             An extremist or a terrorist is simply not following the religion of Islam/Quran/Muhammad, he is doing politics in the name of a religion.
                                             Does one mean that he should be forced not to do what he is doing? Please
                                             
                                             Regards

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                                                Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                Last sentence , I do not understand the question. I do not
                                                force anyone, only curiously why. I'm in the process of avoiding wars all together in the southern hemisphere of the earth.

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   Alastar Packerposted 12 years ago

   What if the Creator of sinners isn't actually overseeing their every sin but has moved on to create other sinners elsewhere and just leaves sinners alone to find their own way back to non- sinning. Is that possible?

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yep.  Perhaps he's moved on to judging all those sinners, who have judged sinners in his name. Who knows? I'm an atheist.

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         Alastar Packerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Doesn't that make you a sinner too, being an atheist?

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            Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, I admit I'm a sinner- but discount atheism as sin.

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   Eaglekiwiposted 12 years ago

   God doesn't hate sinners? where did you get that notion?
   
   Yes he made it clear that He hates sin. Sin destroys everything it touches.
   
   But His love is stronger than any hate,and he proved love by providing a sacrifice and subsitute for OUR sin.
   
   His name is Jesus.
   
   ie. Hate the sin ,love the sinner

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      Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Where did I get the notion? I explained that in my original post.

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         Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well I just made 2 big batches of cookies - I told my sons NOT to touch them until after I get home from work.
         
         
         I am sure one of them will. I dont want them too,but I know they all have the potential to scoff the lot and know that I will still love them- (next time ,I devise another plan)
         
         No doubt they will reason in much the same way and have similiar excuses.
         
         
         Sure I want to be able to trust them and maturity  and wisdom will bring that ,just as understanding why sin hurts us will.
         
         Except that sin and its ramifications have far more consquences than disobeying mum will,the principle is similar.
         
         When a person becomes a Christian they decide that God knows better-even though they dont fully understand the complete reasoning behind the commandments.
         
         Trust and obedience.

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            Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I want some cookies

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               Robertr04posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The Father hates the sin, not the sinner.

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   tirelesstravelerposted 12 years ago

   Like the children in Eglewiki's cookie analogy God gave man freedom of choice. He doesn't want us to sin, but when we do he made a way to clean up the mess.    We all feel better when we get an altercation settled.  When we do something that hurt someone then clean up the matter relationship is restored and everything is much better.  Quit looking at God as some cosmic killjoy. He wants a relationship with each and everyone and thing he has created. He gave us the ability to do what we want. Eglewiki knows the kids won't learn without guidelines and loving discipline, but won't strike the kids dead if their freewill gets the better of them. There are consequences to actions. In Physics  every action has a reaction.

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      Disappearingheadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed.
      
      And eaglekiwi is not going to set her kids on fire if they do eat the cookies, so there's no reason why God would either.

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   cheaptrickposted 12 years ago

   What is a sin?when God hates all the same people you do...that seems to be a personal problem?

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      Eaglekiwiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      God doesn't hate people.
      
      God is love and does not contradict himself.
      
      Why would he hate something he made?

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   Trichakraposted 7 years ago

   God does not hate sinners. Bad and good persons are same .

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   Oztinatoposted 7 years ago

   Fourth: honest scholars try to find out the good parts of religion and build them into a philosophy.  For example, the law.

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The worldwide law of, love, ethics and natural law is my Religion and God. A set of laws that is made possible plus has it's own karma if not followed.
      
      Where other God laws are impossible to follow and are more Hippocratically broken by their own  followers than anyone else.

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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         "Kill or be Killed" is your religion?!? 

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Never have physically harmed anyone or in my life and eat meat less than the average person. Did kill some fish but ate them , yet no fish got harmed for long. I only tried to slow down the senseless killing and harm around the world by mainly the synthetics over ego rulers.

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