Traffic on my top 5

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   DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years ago

   This is curious:  my top five hubs, with the highest scores, display a significant drop-off in page views.  I am not complaining about the scores, or the fact that they remain in the top 5.  I'm just curious how they are staying there, given the overall pitiful traffic.
   
                            Page Views           
   Score    1 Day    7 Days    30 Days    Ever
   
   82            76      495          2,116     39,062
   79                    49      292     1,245    33,970
   81                    16      126        535    19,717
   86                     12        95        372      5,632
   82                    10        67        407    33,666
   
   
   (ACK!!  It didn't keep my formatting!!!  Hope you can make out which numbers go under which headings!)

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      Sherry Hewinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      They don't look so bad, but then I don't know what they usually are. I have hubs with scores in the 90s that don't get doodly squat for traffic, and two of my top five traffic hubs have scores in the 70s. Give me traffic any day.

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      1. 89

         Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Hard to disagree, lol.
         
         Hub score is important if you want to get a new page to a niche site, though. They only look at 80 and above.

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            lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Totally disagree on the at least 80 points statement.

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            Jodahposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            I disagree with this statement too. I have one hub that only has a score of 69 moved to a niche site, and others 74, 77 and 79.

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               bravewarriorposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               I agree. I've had a few moved that have scores below 80. I don't think they consider the hub score when moving articles to niche sites.

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            TIMETRAVELER2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            My lowest scoring hub has a 75, was moved to the niche sites and has more than 37,000 page views.

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            1. 89

               Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

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               Hmm. Seems there is a glitch.
               
               Incidentally was it a new page? Or was it moved in the early days of the niches, on the basis of traffic?

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                  lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Moved yesterday, old page.

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                  jansharesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Lol, love you, Will. So new hubs have to have at least an 80?

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                     Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     http://hubpages.com/help/sites-editorial-policy
                     
                     *Articles should meet our definition of an 8 or better in our Informational Writing Scale.
                     
                     Dunno why I do this stuff no one will read it, lol.

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                        jansharesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Okay, got it! You're talking about that 8 out of 10 criteria thingy for QAP. You're correct then, it would amount to a score of 80%.

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                           Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Actually, no it doesn't.  The QAP score is separate and doesn't translate directly to HubScore at all.
                           
                           Remember, the QAP score is based on various criteria relating to the quality of a Hub.  HubScore is based on that PLUS other things, including traffic, comments and the HubberScore of the author (which always seemed to me a strange thing to include).

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                           1. 89

                              Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              A new page will have no traffic or comments.
                              
                              I have noticed that when I publish a new page it quickly gets a round number score, usually 80, sometimes 90. Seems that might be an informational score. But who knows where it comes from?
                              
                              Afterwards the zero is replaced with a number. And then it drops a little. I would take the hubscore and round it off to the nearest whole number for the informational score. But, of course, I might be wrong, lol.
                              
                              Wouldn't it be nice if they just explained stuff?

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                                 lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Come on now Will, my hub that I published yesterday is at a score of 80. I bet that it didn't start at 80 Because in my experience I start high and go down over the days and then again begin climbing up. But my average is always 76 - been that for weeks (maybe months).
                                 
                                 You're expecting too much, if they explain their algorithm you're just saying HP is not as important as Google. People do not explain their algorithms to the simple folk.

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                        lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Well, the hub that I'm talking about is now an 83. It was in the 80's when I first published it months/over a year ago. But it dropped to the 70's.
                        
                        My recent hub on magnets I was asked to change a few subtitles and re-submit. I did that. The score is now 75. I'm not sure what it began at. I hope that it still gets moved, lol.
                        
                        You aren't the only one who reads that stuff I just assumed that the 10 point scale is not related to the 100 point scale we see.
                        
                        EDIT: My reasoning for this is that the scores should remain constant and not change with time (multiple times a day, at times) if it were just based on quality of the work.

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                           Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I reckon, the more desperate HP become for new pages and the more established and apparently solid the niches becomes, the more tempted they will be to take borderline pages. Which might not be a bad thing in the sense that it will encourage writers to produce more. Also, pages that get a hubscore in the seventies can do perfectly well in the SERP's, as others have noticed.
                           
                           I would rig an algo to pluck poor performers from the niches much faster than poor performers are unfeatured on hubpages.com. And take a few more risks with content that do not meet the academic criteria of 8 or 80.
                           
                           But I don't understand the technical stuff, and that that might be difficult even if it was truly desirable.
                           
                           edit: also you are right, informatinal scores and hubscores are probably arrived at through different means but must be very closely related. Given that we can only see hubscores, I would work to get an 80 before submitting a page.

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                              lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              The algorithm? If they are going to delist pages and put them back on the main site (do you think they'd do this?) there shouldn't be a difference in the code required. Just the time period below a certain number of views changes. So it shouldn't be too bad imo.

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                                 Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Sorry, I added an edit to the previous post before I saw that you had replied. I keep fiddling with pages until they get into the high 80's before I submit. If it takes weeks (it is easier to see errors if you leave a page alone for a while), it takes weeks.

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                                    lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    I don't look at the score when submitting. I just make the article the best I can and better than the other resources that rank for the main topic keywords. And yes, it must be a stellar hub. All hubs should be stellar hubs, that goes without saying.
                                    
                                    P.S: I read your edit now

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                  TIMETRAVELER2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  It is one of the first hubs I ever wrote back in 2012.

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            Sherry Hewinsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If that's true is must be a recent development. Those two of my top five with scores in the 70s are on niche sites. What are you basing that opinion on?

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      peachpurpleposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      well, i must say that your hub traffic and score are far better than mine

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   greenmindposted 7 years ago

   Hi -- I'm not sure what your question is here. Could you rephrase it?

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   UnnamedHaraldposted 7 years ago

   Not quite sure what you mean, but if you are wondering about the order, I believe the default sequence is based on the Page Views for 7 days and not 1 day.

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   DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years ago

   Sorry for the lack of clarity.  I must've been rushed. 
   
   I'm just confused about the sharp drop-off between the top 2 and the next three, views-wise.
   
   I understand the sequence is by highest to lowest, and how the hub scores are so good, if the views suck.

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      lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      My highest scoring hub is 85 the next are 83 and 83. The first two are seasonal and get really good traffic in peak season and decent traffic otherwise. But the third one gets like 2 - 3 views a month. It's a really good hub, one of the best I've written not that the first two are bad, they are also very good. What I'm trying to say is that I see no relation between hub score and traffic.

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         DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         No, I suppose there isn't.  Maybe, on thinking this through a bit more, my question is more along the lines of "why aren't these others that are 'way up there' in the list, getting more traffic than they do?"

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            lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Because the score is a hubpages thing and traffic is not controlled by hubpages

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               DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, I realize that, as well...I guess it's the lack of views that is bugging me...
               I don't know why I'm so tangled up in my words and phrasing today...normally, I can express myself far better.

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   Jodahposted 7 years ago

   There is no real correlation between the hub score and the amount of traffic it gets. Here are my six highest scoring hubs:
   
   88    46    0    5    33    224            
   85    89    0    2    25    599        
   85    61    0    0    0    192        
   85    73    3    21    112    1,790
   84    59    5    72    225    3,182
   84    91    0    0    1       259
   
   I have plenty of hubs with lower scores consistently getting more traffic than most of them (as follows):
   
   68    39    0    132    132    132        
   65    52    4    59    195    195        
   68    103    3    46    133    4,860   
   77    93    6    30    215    5,304

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      sallybeaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting Jodah, for I definitely see a correlation between high scores and traffic.  41 hubs have been moved and all have scores of 80 or higher except one which is currently a 79,   These 41 hubs are responsible for over 3 quarters of my total traffic for all of my writing.

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   Kaili Bissonposted 7 years ago

   In my experience, score doesn't relate to traffic at all. My top five hubs in terms of score are all on niche sites; two of them are rated 95 and three are rated 94. They get very little traffic.

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   jansharesposted 7 years ago

   Hi MsLizzy,
   
   I believe I understand your question. I think the answer is that hubs are listed according to the amount of traffic within a 7 day period. So our highest scoring hubs, as well as highest traffic hubs are spread all over the stats list and will fluctuate.
   
   If my highest scoring hub has 100,000 views but it only received 25 views within the last 7 days, it won't be at the top, compared to others that received more. Conversely, if one of my lowest scoring hubs fell within my top five hubs this week, it's because it was among the highest traffic hubs. I recall HP made that change sometime last year or maybe 2015 to reflect traffic rather than scores when listing hubs in our accounts.

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