Will Progressives praise Trump for anything?

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   A simple question for Progressives. I realize you are against Trump and will do anything and everything to protest...and attack his administration and his policies.
   Here is the simple question - Is there anything that Trump does you will praise him for (even if it is a progressive idea?)
   For one example, Trump has said in the past he support a single payer healthcare system...
   What if he replaces Obamacare with a Single Payer System?  which is the holy grail of all progressive organizations.
   What would you say then?

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Persistence and stubbornness, if he could apply this for the good for all. I would follow him to the end of the earth.

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Progressives could be handed  absolutely free health care ,  lifetime college education  vouchers ,and free "Ben and Jerry's " ice cream for life , And the holy grail itself by Trumps very own hands and they would still revert to sticking their index fingers down their own throats .     That is the collective  dues of being in the new left inn America , AND mainstream Democrats are perfectly willing to let the  soldiers of the revolution hand them whatever else comes for free .
         

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If potatoes head liberal only invest their money on ice cream and love to fight in the streets.
            
            You better off finding why social system are more efficient in Canada and in Northern Europe where people are healthier, happier and less criminals than in America.

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      Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I was excited about plans for new investment in infrastructure, and it looked like an opportunity to get something useful done. Sadly Trump's attacks on the Constitution, and the judiciary, are making it politically costly for Democrats who wanted to work on this. Interesting article about it here:
      
      http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ … n-new-dems

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         It is hard to bet against someone who wins most of his life.
         Trump, like him or not, is not a quitter. He has done so far most of what he campaigned on...
         Is there anything you progressives will give him credit for?
         
         1. What if the economy turns around and we have 4% GDP?
         2. What if jobs pick up and real unemployment is down?
         3. We are one terrorist attack from closing the immigration gap from Middle East...
         4. Sanctuary cities has met their match, Trump will pull Federal funding to stop them from disobeying current laws...
         5. Healthcare the sky is the limit, any changes to Obamacare will be welcomed by all clear thinking people.

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            Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            None of that is worth more than the Constitution.

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               jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Very true if the Constitution was violated. Where were you when Obama trashed our Constitution?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  The solution is to lock up the centro bankers, ban Israel and replace the Federal government with the American people.
                  
                  Of course you can't do that, America loves these corrupted Corporation more than they do for American citizens combined.
                  
                  Only solution is Civil and World war, I'll be hidden somewhere esle safe.

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                     jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Your doomsday scenerio is over the top. Our country is unique and will survive any one individual. We had great Presidents, good presidents and not so good Presidents and even the disaster of presidents.
                     That is the beauty of our Constitution, it makes us immune from dictators and tyrants. You can hide under your desks.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        True, but not this time.
                        Only chance is a wake up after a 2nd America' s civil war then move into a full revolution when the greedy steal from your accounts to pay for a world war.
                        
                        Then only then take down your greedy zionist owners. It will be bigger than the second world  war. Take the nuke codes away from that Orange clown Trump.

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                           jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           You keep under estimate him "the clown" you called him. I don't know if you remember bsck in the 1980s, they try to do the same to Reagan,
                           They thought he was going to start WW3. Guess what, they were wrong, instead he ended the cold war without firing a shot. Reagan was one of our greatest President in the modern ages.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Regan did one thing, the world was grateful for. Spending the USSR to death. The down side Reagan did , was give our money to the wealthy and hope it would trickle down to the rest of us.
                              
                              Since than the cost of living on the downside is 10 times higher and wages very little gone up.
                              
                              Private debt up 20% from the great depression and national debt at par from the great depression. Prisoner gone up 10 times and into a world war 3 with Rothschild on Trump team and staff. This is Rothschild's third time to supply finance for both sides of the world war.
                              Think the NWO too big to stop. This ban on Muslims countries is both tool to provoke war and a civil unrest. in a shell game to drag Muslim countries into a full Holly war. Always easier to kill humans, when you make out to be demons , like the 90% wars that exist today.

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                                 jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Reagan did much more. You have little understanding of our history. Reagan was the last Conservative Republican who follow free market and lower taxes policies that gave us the longest growth that lasted 20 years. His foreign policy of peace through strength was the right formula in dealing with Iran and the USSR. His strong response to the air traffic control strikers faced down the unions. His 2 mistake was to offer amenesty to illegal immigrants without a guarentee to close the borders and his naive belief in Congress when it comes to spending cuts... that was part of the huge deficits under his reign.
                                 He is revered domestically and overseas and should have won the Nobel peace prize if there was anyone deserving...

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                                    Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Giving Reagan a Noble peace prize for the Arms Race is like Jesus telling people in hell he is suffering more than they are.  AIPAC were suggesting Trump get a Noble Prize. Authorizes  kill more people in world history than the whole general public combined.
                                    All backwards like turning cannabis into schedule 1 drug. When it is the most important plant on earth.
                                    
                                    Reagan gave weapons to Iraq to have war with Iran. That is why Saddam should have gotten a 25 year pension as an US agent rather than a hanging.
                                    
                                    I for one do not believe in boarder in a friendly and free world. Unless your God is a liar about equality. When the pirate Columbus hit Jamaica, and call them Indians. Columbus started Americas Christianty, the gold rush and the native slavery. Columbus crew genocided a million natives. It shows you how they can screw up history books and white dictionary.
                                    
                                    America took it beyond the British empire. By 1913 America turned into a fully United Corporatism. This third world war Zionist are attempting to turn US- United Corporatism into NWO.
                                    
                                    I have turned into a true survival man working on solution in a sane way.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       "Saddam was sentenced to death by hanging, after being convicted of crimes against humanity by the Iraqi Special Tribunal for the murder of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites in the town of Dujail in 1982, in retaliation for an assassination attempt against him."
                                       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution … am_Hussein
                                       
                                       "Capital punishment is a legal penalty in Iraq. It was commonly used by the government of Saddam Hussein; and has been since his removal from office. After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, suspended capital punishment on June 10, declaring that "the former regime used certain provisions of the penal code as a means of oppression, in violation of internationally acknowledged human rights."
                                       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_p … nt_in_Iraq

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                                          Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Saddam did much better job of keeping terrorists away from Iraq than anyone. Since Saddam hanging terrorists has grown ten fold. Bush killed far more Iraqi than Saddam. If Americans can't hire a muslim assassin or muslim politican to kill another Muslims, they end up having to do it  themselves in the name of God and Corporatism.

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                                             jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                             Without America, where would the world be? where would Canada be? You can criticize us all you want...at the end of the day, we are the one's keeping the world safe from fascism, communism and dictators... you can hide under your desk and be the pure and nobel one.

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                                                Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                The only war Canada had was against America and natives saved our Skin. We got fighting men too, like hockey players and hunters, much sensibles and safer then playing war or homicide.
                                                
                                                The Communist turned into a better system of socialist,that is better system than US system of Corporatism. The only fascism and dictatorship that most of the world sees is the war economy USA.

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                                                   jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                   There you have it. Spoken like a true believer. I am not going to contiue argue with you. You have stated your case and it is plain to me. You are convinced America is the evil empire. Good luck. I really mean that. And peace.

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                                                      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I should keep this winning streak going just like how I defeat Trump. When he tried to destroy my sand sculpture industry.  Corporationism US cant hold a candle to the truth and equality of the majority of the people in the rest of the world. By the way I love US people no less or more than then the rest of the world, many may call that Christ like.

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                                                Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                I can't believe that you actually believe all this stuff. You quote chapter and verse from every standard rightwing primer.

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                                                   jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                   Yea, I believe it because they are the truth.

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                                                      PhoenixVposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Better than quoting verbatim from Bill Ayers manifesto.

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Here is the simple question - Is there anything that Trump does you will praise him for (even if it is a progressive idea?)
      
      I am solidly Anti-Trump more than I have been' anti' any President since birth.
      He is turning out to be quite the boor. I did mention that he could receive praise from the progressive community, but that is simply not likely unless he changes in a substantial way. Small things like to cease the stupidity of the idea that the overwhelming number of anti-Trump protests participants are all being paid.
      
      Trump offer a single payer health plan in clear defiance of GOP orthodoxy? He doesn't have the courage to actually take a stand in interests of the people.Trump is a plutocrat, why do you think he going to do anything for the man in the street? He is just putty in the GOP establishments hands.
      
      
      I put it to you this way, I will believe it when I see it.

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I told you that I would give Trump praise when due. This reluctant recognition comes from his recent decision to carry on with the tradition of a "One China" policy (44 years)as the perquisite for any diplomatic initiative in Sino-American relations. The concept is understood as not negotiable.  Someone odd must have whopped Trump over the head or led him into quiet room where the reality of global politics in this matter was quietly explained over his objections. Another good lesson for him to learn, that the world is not going to comply with his directives just because he is Donald Trump. A lesson in humility that he needed to learn and seemed to have learned well.
      
      I can move the doomsday clock from 3 minutes from midnight to a safer 4 minutes.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago

   If he builds on the Affordable Care Act, I'll be happy to give him credit.  If the economy grows and all classes benefit from it, I'll give him credit.  If any of his appointees improve the agencies they oversee, I'll be glad.  If he keeps America at peace and rebuilds our broken military, he gets the applause. I appreciate anyone who moves America in the right direction to improve lives - not just the 1% - but the general population.  If he does any of that - great.  But don't expect praise until he does any of that, because so far, this looks like the biggest mistake since New Coke.

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   Mrossbrokensystemposted 7 years ago

   Is there a reason you don't think we are oppressed in the same way via a system that is nothing more than revenue for the state? The people who control u and me along with all others have no interest in justice. They simply want to fund all things they deem important to their agenda(whatever it may be) and use non-viloant offenders as a means to that end. They also set all up for failure in the probation system they have in place after they are given sentence. The fact that if one pays their fines the same day they start probation, that is all that the state requires for said offender the complete in order to no longer be on probation. In short if u have money you are no longer forced to pee in a cup or any other number of things that vilolate the civil rights of a person to insure they won't be getting out of the grip of the system until they pay a great deal of money. And if u don't have it, well all the hoops you must jump through are your interest payments to them. Is it right for one to be jailed or found in contempt simply because they don't pay money! Make no mistake that is exactly how our system works. And to me that is the worst way to oppress a human and insure that person has no real freedom. Of the mind or any other way of life. Am I the only one who thinks this is not only hipocricy at its peak, but just plain awful to do to people. Those who have never been in the clutches of the court can never understand how this feels. Its no longer about right and wrong. No, it's about how much money you can pay to feel like a free person again. We are so far from free it's nothing but a joke at this point. You WILL do as they tell you to! Or suffer greatly! Freedom is nothing more than a myth that our flag makes all who look upon it think they are free. But it's the biggest scam ever to befall a people in modern times. Anyone have any thoughts on this subject? I would really like to hear what some intelligent people think about such injustices as that. Thanks, hope I got at least one person to think for a brief moment.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago

   We are still recovering from the damage Reagan did to our economy.  We were on our way under President Obama.  Now we will likely be in the same shape again within four years.  Deregulation was Reagan's legacy and look what a mess it has made of our country.

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Are you kidding? Reagan's recovery was 3 times that of Obama's. You are trying to re-write history and unfortunately the millenials of today does not know of Reagan and what he did to save our country from the maliase of Carter and of ending the evil empire of the Soviet Union. Any honest student of history would give Reagan the credit for saving our country from decline. For that reason and more, he is consistently rated as one of our top presidents in the modern era. You don't have to take my word for it. Just google it...

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         The rewriting of history and the ignorance of the truth is PATHETIC, isn't it?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   The number of jobs that United States employers added in January is 227,000. It was the best job growth the country has seen since since September. Last year’s average was a monthly gain of 187,000 jobs per month.
   From: http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/trump … z4Y2RaowT4
   
   Many hope President Trump will:
   
   1. Keep AMERICAN businesses in AMERICA.
   2. Renegotiate BAD trade deals.
   3. Slow ILLEGAL immigration.
   4. SLOW the spread of Islamist TERRORISM.
   5. Repeal and REPLACE Obamacare.
   6. REFORM the IRS.
   7. STRENGTHEN our military.
   8. Appoint COMMONSENSE Supreme Court justices. 
   9. IMPROVE our overall standing in the WORLD.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 7 years ago

   What did the left Hope Hillary would do as POTUS? What would they like President Trump to do while in office?

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      Paul Wingertposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This post isn't about Hillary, isn't it? What would they like the orange man-baby ("President Trump" - LOL good one!) to do while in office? Resign and that his crony cabinet with him!

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