My 2nd Hub shows up on the 1st page of Google

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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
I published a hub a about three weeks ago, titled: "Defining My Purpose on HubPages: Aftermath of My Wars on HubPages Forums". I've written and published one more hub after that (it's still undergoing the site's quality assessment process) and I'm planning to write more hubs.

I almost forgot about that 2nd hub that I wrote. Today I googled this phrase "purpose of hubpages", and my hub showed up at the second slot (from the top) on the very first page of the Google's search results related to that phrase.

Google had yielded 'About 7,54,000 results' in total, in '0.36 seconds'.

I use HubPages as a hobby. But it was definitely a pleasure to witness, in person, that the system that I take as a hobby, ultimately works and generates results.
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relacheposted 8 years ago
How many humans are searching for "the purpose of HubPages?"

If that's not a heavily-searched phrase, you example is just an example of how if you search by a very specific phrase, you will see your Hub specifically returned.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Forget the 'the' for a moment.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So how many people do you think search for "the purpose of HubPages"? It doesn't even come up as an auto-complete until I'm three letters from the end, so clearly very few people do.
  
  Besides, you clearly don't know that Google tailors results to suit the person searching. Google remembers what you've been doing and will take that into account when offering you search results.
  
  I just tried Googling both "purpose of HubPages" and "the purpose of HubPages", and your Hub did not appear in the first page, nor on the second, nor on the third . . .
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's right, to get an unbiased result you have to log out of Google, clear your cache and internet history. Or try an 'independent' search engine like Duck Duck Go.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Raggededge, even that may not be enough to completely remove personal results. Google also looks at the history of your IP address as well as your Google account or IE or Firefox etc.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have many articles that appear on page 1 of Google, but I don't even look anymore now that Marissa taught me about how Google functions. The only way to really know is to go to a local library that you have never used before, sign into nothing, and do a generalized search for your topic, not a word for word one. For example, instead of "The Best Pair of Ballet Slippers I Have Ever Owned", type in best ballet slippers. Then you can see where your article really ranks. Google sucks that way, and it fools people into thinking they are ranking well when they may not be ranking much at all!
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  DrMark1961posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Or stop by a LAN house that you do not normally use.
  Do they still exist in your part of the world?
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Mark Ewbieposted 8 years ago
Whatever the caveats thrown up by those who are internet experts - it is a thrill to see a page you have written appear in the Google search.

It makes everything seem possible.

Type something, get in indexed and see it there - in the Search Results! It is a fantastic feeling.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Definitely not, if one is doing a Ph.D on the Internet.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
As for the technical question how much time it will take for that hub to overcome the 'the', I've no answer.
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Mark Ewbieposted 8 years ago
When I type in your search query it shows your article as number one!
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
As a side note

Recheck the 1st page of Google's results for the phrase 'the purpose of hubpages'. Some of them were:

1. "Storing-and-Retrieving-Information - Livingsta - HubPages"

2. "The Purpose of Your Life - Your Life Mission"

3. "The Purpose of Referral Trackers on Hubpages"

4. "Use Diary Systems - Explain the purpose, types and ...",

5. "Why do Christians use the Bible as evidence in Theological ...", etc.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
1st page | Google's results for the phrase 'the purpose of hubpages'

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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
What's up with the search engine? My Hub has now come up to the number one slot!

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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The more you Google something, the more Google thinks YOU, PERSONALLY, are interested in it, and therefore ranks it higher just for YOU.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I had rechecked that exact same query using a different IP (after revamping my internet browser). It was still number one.
  
  Today it has come down to the 2nd slot again.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago
~ where it deserves to be.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  :-)
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
Another side note: I've been using Google.com, and not any of its regional versions.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That makes no difference.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That hub is currently ranking No.2 on Google.
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Back to the question - how many people are typing "purpose of hubpages" into Google?
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All those souls that really want to know the answer to that question.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And how many of those do you think there are???
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Google recommends writing for a 12-year-old reading level - people type simplistic keywords into Google. In this case, they're more likely to be Googling "What is Hubpages" I'd guess.
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  makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You made me look - and giggle!
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I've just published a hub on God.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
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makingamarkposted 8 years ago
Matt Cutts on ranking #1 https://youtu.be/b7W0o65tTIQ
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Will Apseposted 8 years ago
The reincarnated one is certainly a close student of the long history of controversy in these forums.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
Today's update.

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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
And, a close-up.

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WryLiltposted 8 years ago
I'm now equally tied between the award for Hubpages biggest facepalm thread and biggest troll thread.

The reasons why this is a cool thing to see but not worth much in terms of traffic or realistic rankings have been repeated over and over.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
"...It has spent time ranked number one for those two words alone but again your right, the specific title means nothing as far as rankings go. The point I'm trying to make is that, if we are more concerned about PVs then staying in the first five pages is important.

Three main factors contribute to this articles success, the way it was written, the title and the subject matter.

So while I agree with the premise that being ranked number one is pointless for the specific title, being on page one through five is not pointless for the subject matter.

As you may know I don't write for money that isn't what motivates me but I do write to share information and the more people that read my articles the easier it is for me to share my often abstract ideas and concepts.

As usual you are spot on but let's get real the point is pretty much self explanatory."

http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2770404
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  Mark Ewbieposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I rarely look past the first page of Google. Page five does not exist as far as I am concerned.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The first 5 slots (from the top) on Google. First 5 pages.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, your ranking is great. Congrats. Has that translated into traffic to your hub via Google? If so, would you care to share the numbers?
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  OK, let me check the stats on that hub. I'll be back in a moment or two.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Defining My Purpose on HubPages: Aftermath of My Wars on HubPages Forums" - stats
  
  published: 6th Oct, 2015
  
  top traffic sources (external traffic) up-to today:
  
  ● google.fr 2
  
  ● google.com 1
  
  ● facebook.com 1
  
  As far as I remember, I was rechecking that hub's status on Google this morning, using a new IP and testing through different regional versions of Google. I happened to have tested that hub through Google.fr.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So the answer is No.
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You took absolutely nothing away from the comment you quoted, did you?
  
  The point is, number one in Google IS the best place to be, but only if there is traffic. If there's no traffic, it's just as good as having a gigantic banner advertising your business placed in the middle of the ocean. Yes, a random lost ship may sail past and see it but other than that... it's just a personal pat on the back, nothing more.
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  calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're arguing with the 100th or so incarnation of a known troll. He's just messing with everyone.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  100th???? A mad genius, he must be.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And how do you know?
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  calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As my niece used to say, I asked my brain about it.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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Mark Ewbieposted 8 years ago
I notice that the top slot is now occupied by an interesting environmental angle on content farms called the Porpoise of Hubpages.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We really REALLY need a Like button on these forums
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  makingamarkposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  1+
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  NateB11posted 8 years agoin reply to this
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paradigm searchposted 8 years ago

I can take credit for the meme (as far as I know), but I can't take credit for the quote; it made the rounds awhile back.
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paradigm searchposted 8 years ago
I oddly believe in resurrection, forgiveness, whatever.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  we'll see.
  actually, one can fake it anytime they want.
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You are wrong. I am quite big on ethics. Frankly, your post surprised me, I thought we were good.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  where would we be without faking it?
  its what makes the world go around!
  You know I love it!
  
  Edit: I was speaking about DasEngle.
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I do not. But I understand.
  
  [Edit] And unfortunately agree.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  sorry. That was for D.E.
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry on the update.
  
  Who's D.E.?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  DasEngel. You really need to pay attention.
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Drop me a note.
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paradigm searchposted 8 years ago
Saw other. Love this mess.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
"I use HubPages as a hobby. But it was definitely a pleasure to witness, in person, that the system that I take as a hobby, ultimately works and generates results."

'Opening Post' of this thread
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
I'm on HubPages because it's a fun activity. If there were no fun in it, I wouldn't be on HubPages. Being Number 1 on Google does matter to me. Because that's one of the final objectives of being on this website.

I'm not expecting any rush of capital through my endeavors. But if it ever comes, it's welcome.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  what kind of capital?
  What kind of money do people actually make?
  Like a hundred dollars?
  like 500 dollars?
  Like you have any control over it?
  like you can write your head off and stuff and still you can't seem to find the right tune,
  
  and then you write a hit and its on the radio. and
  
  like that?
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You failed?
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ? I need a clue.
  so many options. like a maze. it gets dizzying.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ya, kind of like that. :-)
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It really depends on traffic - my guess is that most of the highest earning writers here make around $200-600 a month (that's just a guess based on what I've read on forums and my own income).
  
  That said, if you can jump on a viral topic, you can make $1000 in a week.
  
  I much prefer my own websites though, as I can test out which methods of monetisation work best.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, WryLilt.
  Do you write on paper first?
  and then keyboard it out?
  Or do you just plug away from start to finish on the computer?
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I write directly into Hubpages or my website. Far quicker.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Are you an excellent speller and do you edit as you go fairly flawlessly? And also: an excellent/accurate/quick keyboarder?
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I can write a 1,000 word article in half an hour and I've written up to 12 blog posts in a day.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  wow! So you can type (accuarely) just about as fast as you can think. (?) double wow! maybe I should relearn to keyboard accurately and flawlessly. I still have to look at the keyboard to type.
  do you?
  
  Here is how my keyboarding looks once I am done the first time:
  A little duck walked ito a lake and started to swinm to the other side.
  he was quite sure the hawk flying upahead woyld oar down to splash water arhim. he wanst sure wnhy that stupid hawk always did that. like a little water would really heuit HIM!
  
  sad isn't it!
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  paradigmsearchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Talk to me.
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  WryLiltposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Kathryn, my mother told me when I was 9 years old that I couldn't play Pacman till I learned to touch type however I'm not extremely fast. A relative played the piana professionally and she is an amazingly fast typer!
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paradigm searchposted 8 years ago
An inquiry...

Or not sure with this nonsense.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  not nonsense.
  Once yer mind is empty of ridiculous imaginings you are free to explore your environment and use it to your best advantage.
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LeanManposted 8 years ago
This forum is about to rank on the first page of Google for the following phrase:

"How to make a 3 legged chicken cross the road with an elephant on roller skates"

You can search for it later once the Google bot has been past and indexed it - use the quotes... see where it is on the page...

I wonder how much money I will earn for HP by using that phrase in the forums and getting the no.1 slot in Google for it.....
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's called Casino Google.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The point is, Das, me old dear, you can rank #1 for *any* phrase if it's never searched for by anyone anywhere. Being #1 might bring a small tingle of happiness to you, but it isn't going to attract readers to your hub.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ..I'm doing a Ph.D. on its slot machines.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No actual coherent answer then?
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
As far as I know, both 'Paradigm Search' and 'Paradigmsearch' happen to be the alter-ego(s) of 'Calculus-geometry'. The real person behind these 3 profiles happen to possess at least one more such persona that I've personally interacted with.

My intuition is: he has more. And he can't take a joke from me now. :-D
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I've never seen you make a joke, DE. If some of what you post is meant to be a joke, you have a strange sense of humour.
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  TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you guys think it's time to end this foolishness? Don't we have better things to do with our time?
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  calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Good one, Godshet.
  
  BTW, I'm not the one who got you banned before.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There's no need to get personal here, Cal. Besides, it's raining quite heavily here in this hamlet.
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  calculus-geometryposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I've hit a nerve (again!). Oh well, let the countdown begin. What will your new screen name be? I think you should come back as a female, and a different ethnicity.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sure you did Paradigmsearch. I mean Paradigm Search.
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  paradigm searchposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my, keep me separate from this; I got my own demons.
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Jodahposted 8 years ago
I just read your hub DasEngel, and it deserves a high place on the Google search pages. Unfortunately I would love to comment but you must have comments turned off. I commend you on your stance and agree with many of your statements. Thanks for sharing quotes by the staff of HP as well. I believe there is a place for every type of writer here and no one should be discriminated against or made to feel less worthy.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think anyone has discriminated against any kind of writer on one single forum thread. However, observations have been made as to whether a hub is likely to A. get featured and B. attract traffic. If those two things aren't going to happen, then the writer may as well use a private blog, some kind of journaling software or a notebook and pen because essentially they are writing to express themselves.
  
  Hubpages, like it or not, is a commercial site that makes income via advertising. It can't afford to host oodles of hubs that don't comply with A & B above, however beautifully written.
  
  This is the crux of DasEngel's complaint and the basis of his perceived 'forum wars'.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What you've said above is equivalent to saying that Google should delete Wikipedia entries from its index, because Wikipedia doesn't contain adsense elements: which means, ultimately, that for Google, Wikipedia renders no commercial benefits.
  
  The crux here is that Google is a commercial website, and they earn their income through advertisement views/clicks.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No it isn't. Why do you conflate the two? HubPages isn't Google.
  
  I didn't say there is no place for unsearched creative writing, I said that, as a commercial site, HP is not obliged to feature or even host work that doesn't support its earning strategy.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I thought I should say "Read my hub". I won't. It's set to be commercial.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I read it. I'm not going to read it again.
  
  Your forum wars are non-existent.
  
  Edited: The comment I just replied to was "Read my hub."
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently so.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Not if it's only attracting internal traffic because of your clickbait comments.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. No actual coherent answer then?
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  QED
  
  Edited: Once again you show that your grasp of logic is flawed. I am not trying to get anyone to click on my hub. You are.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'll write a hub about it.
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  Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, sorry I won't make the mistake of reading one of your hubs again if you don't want any internal traffic. It does explain why you didn't allow comments on the hub though.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I disabled "comments" on that hub for very specific reasons. As for the my conversation with Beth (theraggededge) about Google and Wikipedia and the related (that you've just commented on), I was merely joking all the way.
  
  A side note: I do not, personally, like Google adsense ads. Most of the time those ads are slightly 'hot' and misleading. I wish if we could get the type of commercial ads that Facebook places on its pages. They are far less misleading and far more aesthetically pleasing.
  
  But sometimes I have to make little compromises for a lot of other good things to let in. Personally I do not find Google adsense ads advisable. But, sometimes, they do offer some useful advertisements as well. And I believe they're improving their services. Hence the joke.
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  Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ok point taken, I didn't get the joke and as your reply was to Beth's reply to my comment I thought it related. As I said I agreed with many of the points in your hub and it was a little frustrating not to be able to leave a comment (and I didn't want to do that here). As for the Google AdSense ads, I have made about 80c from them as far as I know, nothing from Amazon. The only money I make comes from the HP ads and eBay so far and I am one of those "vintage" hubbers, though not part of the group you mention. I am a creative writer and not here for the money (though the little I make is welcome.. it keeps me in coffee). That last statement is why I don't spend much time in forums and if I do usually just leave one or two comments.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I see. I respect and appreciate your views. And, yes my sense of humor is a bit 'unclear' at times.
  
  Together, as a team of creatives, we may creates a difference on this website. That is what I would say, for now.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Beth? Who's Beth?
  
  That was a joke? Good grief. You must be the life and soul of your parties.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Spilled the wine' ' apologies, for it was 'Bev'
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Additionally, I think HubPages forbids a hubber from (directly) 'promoting' their own hubs on the forums.
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  Jodahposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's correct, but by starting this forum you were actually promoting your hub indirectly.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's right. But I had no such intention. I was sharing a good news with others. I would like to see every hubber realize their creative potential, through the tool that we call HubPages.
  
  If they want to, that is.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's a fact that Google is showing up this very thread with that original hub, for the key-phrase 'the purpose of hubpages'. But I think it's a viscous-cycle type of thing that has come off to be.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed, the Adsense keyword tool gives the following result for your keywords:
  
  "We can't display search volume charts because your keywords don't have any searches."
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Myopia
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Mark Ewbieposted 8 years ago
OK. I understand the "look at me" nature of forum posting. There are a few on here who do it regularly to increase followers, get visits, etc.

But when the "look at me" message comes across as "I am a bit of a twat" - it loses some of its point.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Talk to me after you complete your Ph.D. on the Internet. We may get involved into some serious business in the real world, that is.
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  Mark Ewbieposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Apart from winding people up I don't see the point of endless forum posting. You are not the only one but you are heading towards that coveted crown...
  
  ... maybe that's your aim.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It takes a lot to pierce the skin of a rhino. It's takes lions. Not paperclips.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Off to business now?
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
Perhaps my next hub will be titled: What is HubPages
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
Right now, the top Google slot against that query is occupied by a Hubpage, titled: "What Is HubPages And How Does It Work?"

The hub was published on Dec 21, 2013.
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DasEngelposted 8 years ago
About GOOGLE | Ten things we know to be true

1. Focus on the user and all else will follow.

"Since the beginning, we’ve focused on providing the best user experience possible. Whether we’re designing a new Internet browser or a new tweak to the look of the homepage, we take great care to ensure that they will ultimately serve you, rather than our own internal goal or bottom line. Our homepage interface is clear and simple, and pages load instantly. Placement in search results is never sold to anyone, and advertising is not only clearly marked as such, it offers relevant content and is not distracting. And when we build new tools and applications, we believe they should work so well you don’t have to consider how they might have been designed differently."
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, Google is God-like, it only cares about its flock. It loves us all. I'm so happy it makes you happy, Dazangle.
  
  "First spotted by open source developers, the Chromium browser – the open source basis for Google’s Chrome – began remotely installing audio-snooping code that was capable of listening to users."
  
  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 … permission
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  psycheskinnerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, as a personal and professional frequent user, Google and Google scholar do remain the best search engines in my experience.
  
  They may be torturing kittens in the back office, but they are the best for finding the crap I am looking for online.
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  +1 LOL!
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's a great subject to do a Ph.d. on.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I could distort names too. But I usually don't do so for children. Anyway, what is your ultimate purpose on HubPages? Forum chatting, for example?
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What is your opinion of Bing the search-engine?
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  theraggededgeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Never used it.
  
  I mainly use the big G, and Duck Duck Go.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, Bip.
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LeanManposted 8 years ago
Just an update on the "experiment" for ranking the following phrase:

"How to make a 3 legged chicken cross the road with an elephant on roller skates"

This forum discussion currently ranks first place if you search using the ""

For me it ranks 5th place on page 1 if the phrase is searched for without the ""

So now that we have achieved this we should all be in for a massive payout from HP due to the massive number of views that this phrase will generate................................

Or then again maybe it makes zero difference if you rank for something that is NEVER searched for... You still get NO traffic....
Ranking for something that is not searched for is relatively easy as no one will be competing with you.
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  DasEngelposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'll be googling Myopia
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JvicIndiaposted 6 years ago
May it's because of the specific keyword combination, or perhaps your hub had extraordinary quality. I used to write on hubpages in a different username 8 years ago and my hubs used to get listed in the 1st page of google search once my hub is published. I think google has now changed their rules strictly for SOE rankings
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  theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this
  Please try to avoid resurrecting old threads - it often resurrects animosities too
  
  You could always start a new thread - and a new argument, of course.
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