Hubberscore/Hubscore should be replaced with different content

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   Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years ago

   I just feel that the Hubscore/Hubberscore system should be obsolete and rendered useless and be replaced with a new system. This Hubscore/Hubberscore business is keeping everything apart. Instead, we should have a rating system, with 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest. So 5-star articles, such as Kylyssa's work or theraggededge's work are shown. We should also replace the hubberscore with a reputation system. Positive reputation are shown in green. Negative reputation is shown in red. IDK. That's my suggestion.

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      theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How about replacing it with.... nothing? After all, traffic and earnings are indicators of success. Comparing ourselves with other hubbers is pointless.

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         sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I agree, pointless and sometimes demoralising.

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            peachpurpleposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            yeah no point having the points, I rather have bonus to earnings instead

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               CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Hub scores can be demoralizing. When I first publish something, I usually see a score in the 70"s. Then it starts to climb and gets into the high 80"s and even high 90"s over the next week even without a single edit. But after working for two to three days to publish a hub, it really is a punch to the gut to see a score in the 70's. I've learned to just try to ignore the score. .

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         CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Nothing sounds good to me. I have hub scores that go up and down by 20 points without anything being changed. Also what does the hubber score mean? If you don't know how to improve your hubber score it is a worthless number. And speaking of worthless, does it really matter if your hubber score is high or low?

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      Christy Kirwanposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      While it's true that HubScore and Hubber Score do not affect an author's ability to acquire traffic or earn money, these scores do feed into many of our internal processes (they are part of the algorithm that determines the order in which articles are displayed on topic pages, for example). That being the case, we prefer to share them for more transparency and also give writers a very general idea of how they are doing in relative quality terms.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with Psycheskinner. 
         
         If both HubScore and HubberScore were based on quality, it would be fine - but they're not. They include a range of other parameters.  It's not being "transparent" if you give us the scores and don't tell us the weightings behind them.  Without knowing that, they're meaningless.
         
         HubPages staff must have noticed the way so many Hubbers continually misunderstand what the scores mean, and spend fruitless hours chasing better scores (usually by doing the wrong things), when they should be focussing on writing new and better Hubs.

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         sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Would it be true to say then that a writer whose work is featured on the home page will naturally have a higher score?  I almost never visit the home page and was surprised to see that I am a featured writer this week.  I guess this in part explains why my profile score has been higher than normal this week.  Clearly, the additional traffic and the extra publicity will drive stats upwards, that is if anyone ever visits the homepage!   I still think it is so difficult for readers to find the actual subjects they might be interested in unless they access the homepage when they arrive on HubPages.

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            theraggededgeposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think many readers ever land on the home page. They are far more likely to be visiting an individual hub via a search engine. They don't think, "Oh, what a great site HubPages is, I must remember to stop by and see what's new".

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               Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Very true.

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               Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Very true indeed.

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               Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Also, I promote hubs through social media sites as well. So it makes no difference.

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            CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            What is the home page?

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               Jeremy Gillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Each niche site has a homepage that showcases a variety of authors and articles. Many of us (like sally and myself) see our work there sometimes, and it's always a pleasant surprise (we don't receive notifications for it).
               
               For example, here is ReelRundown's: https://reelrundown.com/

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                  CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks. After I thought about it, I realized it must be the first page of the niche sites.

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                     Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     On healdove, I saw one hubber's work on the main page, and it brought nothing but rage, anger, jealousy, and a feeling of failure on my part.

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                        CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I guess you will hate me then. This conversation caused me to look at the home page for the niche sites which have a lot of my hubs. A lot of my hubs are featured.
                        
                        It also caused me to see some interesting hubs of other hubbers and I clicked on some to read them.

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                           Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Then I guess you will view me as a failure, because not one of my 4 articles were featured on the home pages of either Healdove nor SoapBoxie.

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                              psycheskinnerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Hi Ivan,  I really think you need to reach out and find an in-person service to hep you work on your issues with being so hard on yourself.  This is a site where you can make a little money and have a lot of fun.  Your value as a person has nothing to do with what happens on this site.  The only one trying to make you feel bad seems to be you, and there are many counselors or even free call lines that could help you with those kinds of thoughts.

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                                 Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 Tried that. Didn't work. Tried a hypnotherapist, didn't work. My attitude continues to get worse every day. I'm a permanent failure in life (permanent, as in "for the rest of my life, I'm a failure). Even therapy won't work. I've been stuck on so much medicine for so long and everything bad happened to me. Ever since March 23, 2016, My Failure status has gone from Full-time failure (every day except the holidays, family outings, and vacations) to Permanent Failure stats "Every day of every moment for the rest of my life" The only way to reverse that is a life-ending incident. That's the only way.

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                                    DzyMsLizzyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    Ivan, I am concerned for you.  By making statements assessing yourself as a 'permanent failure,' you are actually creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
                                    Instead, focus on your successes--even tiny ones.  Start with things as simple as "I got out of bed; I got dressed; I wrote/worked on an article." All of those things are successes, and you need to credit yourself for those.
                                    Do actions the opposite of how you are feeling--it really does help the feelings to change.  If you are frowning, force yourself to smile. Watch a funny video.
                                    You are a very good writer--that in itself is a huge success!
                                    Please keep yourself safe;  we need intelligent folks such as yourself to balance the craziness in this world!

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                                       Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                       I would like to thank you for writing in my "Are Hurricanes Getting..." Article. Your comment really lit up my entire day. Have you read all of my 26 featured articles?

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                           Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           So you read my two articles on Autism?

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                              CatherineGiordanoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Nope. I was looking for articles on subjects similar to mine.

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                        alexadryposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Ivan, try not to let other people's articles bring you feelings of  rage, anger, jealousy or a feeling of failure! Instead, turn these feelings into something more productive. For example, find ways to improve your writing, join writing clubs, look for places to get great pictures to add, search for topics you are very savvy about and people search, keep yourself updated on the latest trends, simply motivate yourself to write the very best articles you can. We all have always room for improvement, even the most seasoned, established writers! You have great potential! Mostly, consider that the more quality articles you have published, the higher chances for them to be featured. It's sort of like a raffle where, the more tickets you buy, the higher the chances to win.

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         Sherry Hewinsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         In that case, scores do matter. While I would prefer a better explanation of how the scores are formulated, since they do affect our ranking on topic pages, I would rather know my ranking than have it still exist and not know it.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            But if scores are low, and you don't have a clear idea of how to increase it, how is that helpful?

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               Sherry Hewinsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I guess I feel like I do have a pretty good idea of it, since my score has not gone below 90 since three weeks after I joined. But, maybe I'm wrong. If I don't change my behavior, and my score suddenly tanks, I don't know how I'll fix it.

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                  sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I doubt they will change much especially if your score has remained fairly consistent.  The fear of hub scores tanking because of our desire to make changes or improvements to our writing is not helpful or healthy I don't think.

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I think if you have a good score, it's nice to be able to see it.  You can look at it and think, I'm doing OK, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.
                  
                  The problem arises when your score is low.  What do you do to fix it?   Part of HubberScore is an average of all your Hubs, so you could try deleting your low-scoring ones - but as Missing Link has found, that doesn't make much difference. So then you go on a flurry of commenting or Q&A or forum posting - and you find that does make a difference, and before you know it, you're spending hours on social networking instead of writing Hubs.   That can't be good for HubPages, or the Hubber.
                  
                  The discussion is probably a waste of time, though. People have been suggesting we get rid of the scores for years.
                  
                  https://hubpages.com/community/forum/10 … hub-scores

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                     Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You make an excellent and valid point. this forum is a complete waste of time.

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      Jeremy Gillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree that HubScore should be altered or made invisible. That said, I don't see how replacing it with a 1-5 star system would help; seems like just a more generalized score.
      
      But hey, just my two cents.

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   psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

   It seems to me that what really feeds into these systems is the underlying variables with whatever weightings they might need for each application.  So the score can continue to exist is it is helpful for Hubstaff, but what doe it really do for us? Transparency might help people understand what it is, but many will just automatically chase the score not the meaningful underlying factors of traffic and earnings.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 6 years ago

   Marisa, why not hide the Hubber score from other viewers? It should be visible only to the author so that he can know about his credibility. It should be hidden from other viewers, whether they are our own Hubbers or outsiders. So, our profile image should not carry that score along with it while interacting with others.

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      Jeremy Gillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I had the same thought myself. What if Facebook assigned scores based on number of likes or frequency of activity, and made these scores public? I imagine there'd be quite the backlash.
      
      Of course, HubPages and Facebook are very different, but the same principle stands. I'm glad we know a general idea of where we are, but why make this visible to others?

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         ChristinSposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          
         
         I agree with this.  If HP thinks we need to see it as individuals to gauge how we are doing fine and dandy, but make it private.  Also, there needs to be more "transparency" about how the scores are calculated and more clarification on what it takes to get/keep a higher score.  I've always hated this system - it's so random and makes no sense, even after all the years I've been writing here.

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            Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I'm a decent writer myself. I've written some 26 articles with two unpublished articles, one of them I need to rework, and the other is a work-in-progress. I Dont understand how hubbers with a hubberscore of 70 or below write better articles than I do. HUBBERSCORES MEAN NOTHING IN LATE 2017.

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               sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I always find that a little humility and kindness to others goes a long way.

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                  Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Congrats on your perfect 100 Hubberscore. You deserve it.

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                     sallybeaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you, Ivan Hernandez, your kindness is appreciated.

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                        Ivan Hernandezposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        You're welcome. In the morning, before my computer time, I'd like to chat in the forums, but when computer time comes, I always like to edit a couple of titles and articles for a short while. Then I go play games. Most of the time, I'm on social media.

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   AshutoshJoshi06posted 6 years ago

   I don't think the scores can or would be removed, making them private is a good suggestion though.

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