Why is Palin so easily dismissed as a nut?

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   Maybe based on comments like this one?
   
   http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090808/D99UJ4B00.html

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      Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      lol! Thanks, Ron.  I think.

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   BrianFanslauposted 14 years ago

   "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.
   
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   The crazy thing is in the long run she is right. A government healthcare system would keep people from getting immediate care quickly and would be like the health care in Canada and England.
   
   I don't agree with everything she says but this point stood out to me as extended and near fantasy fact. May seem far fetched but really it is not.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You can pull any partial quote out of context and make it seem almost reasonable, (although with Palin this requires a little more work). 
      
      She wasn't talking about the long run she was talking about a specific outcome (patently false) of a specific plan.

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I would like to hear from some actual Canadians and English about their views on their own healthcare systems.  Could we have some people weigh in?

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         Plants and Oilsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I'm happy to weigh in - never read such rubbish in my entire life (justiable hyperbole)

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         kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         LondonGirl did a series on the UK's NHS that you might find interesting:
         
         http://hubpages.com/hub/From-a-patients … n-practice
         http://hubpages.com/hub/The-National-He … is-covered
         http://hubpages.com/hub/What-the-Nation … ents-extra

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      Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why can't it be like the government health care system in Australia which doesn't keep people from getting immediate care quickly?  Or the ones in Scandinavia?

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      Plants and Oilsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It is ludicrous, and so is the fact you believe it.
      
      Health care for disabled and chronically ill children in the UK is fantastic.

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         ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         So was Social Security in the early years, but now the people paying into it won't receive anything for their trouble when it's their time.  Thacher had it right:  "Sooner or later you run out of other people's money to spend".

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   BrianFanslauposted 14 years ago

   Yeah I agree I only skimmed the article myself and saw the piece I brought over. But even if it was not from the mouth of Palin it still has merit because our current Health Care system is the best in the world as far as patient care and wait times. It may be expensive and that is because of many complex greed factors from government to big drug companies.
   
   Healthcare itself is a complex and frustrating topic for most people if they lived healthier lives they could easily reduce their healthcare spending and the amount of diseases and sicknesses they receive throughout their lifetime.
   
   It is not the governments job to make sure you eat well. It is our own job to take care of our bodies.
   
   I believe in personal responsibility and I am speaking about the masses in general. Obviously there are people who cannot help that they were born such and such way or were in an accident but for the majority to have to suffer for the minority in the spirit of forced government fairness instead of charitable giving through private enterprise and individual's helping hands I believe we are going down the wrong path. A path of socialism and communism.

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      Plants and Oilsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What about the poor sods who don't get care, or are bankrupted by medical bills?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   I have been telling people over and over and over in different threads about the Canadian system; they ignore it and just go back to the fear mongering. There are some waits, but not for life threatening conditions. They don't deny you treatment if you are over 70 or are mentally retarded or disabled. People who get sick in this country do not lose their homes to pay for medical treatment. Our tax rates are not ridiculously high to pay for health care. You get to chose your doctor (there are doctor shortages but no one tells you you must go to a certain doctor)
   
   You might want to ask some parents of Downs Syndrome children in Canada what they think of her ridiculous remarks.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well........that's what you say, but Palin says different.  Who should we believe?
      
      You have never been a US VP candidate have you?  ZING!!!!

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you, UW.  I have been waiting to hear something straight from the source.  A real person, not a pundit.  I never heard of many Canadians complaining before all this hoopla started in the US.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There are a few complaints and it certainly is not perfect, but it works for the majority of people.

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            Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I am sure this is true for almost all people, but why do so many people come to the US for better doctors and health care-- especially in dire cases?
            
            I'm not saying that our system is better -- all of them have flaws-- but I'm wondering if the quality of care will be affected.

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               Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               America sets the standard with the best doctors because doctors make more money here.  It's all about money.

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                  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't agree that all the best doctors are in the US...there are some excellent ones here.

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                     Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree that you probably have some great docs, I am just speaking in general.  Doctors get paid astronomical amounts of money... or did.  If there is not some kind of reform, our healthcare system will bankrupt itself.  It is true that many Americans go to Mexico, but mostly it is because our prescription costs are through the roof.  We have grandmas and grandpas crossing the boarder so that they can afford their Celebrex.

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                     Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Well we had American doctors in New Zealand so they cant be all in the US,lol.

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            Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            New Zealand health system is run much the same way UW,both Commonwealth Countries too. Over the years NZ they have introduced private insurance more which is affordable specially for unexpected surgery etc. as well.
            In NZ though (except in extreme cases of negilence) Accident Cover has replaced lawsuits, and if hurt at work or home a person is paid 80% of his lost wages and surgery /medication ,rehabilitation is covered by a weekly payment ,a little like workmans comp, I believe.
            The whole objective is to get the person back to work and earning as soon as possible.The family doctor is the first port of call and whole treatment is managed and approved from that point.
            
            My husband(American) was hurt on the job while working in New Zealand and they paid for his operation,( tennis elbow) medicine and wages until he was deemed 'fit work fulltime work'.
            When notified 1 week before leaving to relocate back to the USA, they informed him ,they would continue paying him for 3mths no matter where he lived as a 'getting back on your feet' and sign off from the compensation...
            
            Hows that for healthcare! (He wasnt even a NZ Citizen)
            
            Boy was I in for a shock when it was my turn here in the states

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   BrianFanslauposted 14 years ago

   Here is a YouTube video from a Parliament member speaking on London's own Nationalized Healthcare.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI6uyhRcZLY

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      Plants and Oilsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Never heard of him. Probably because he's not an MP, he's an MEP, and therefore irrelevant.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   Fox news has a conservative stance, and usually interviews people that will say what they want to hear.  Yes there are some politicians in the UK that are as conservative as the right-wingers in the US, so I would take their comments about nationalized health care with a grain of salt.  I actually respect Margaret Thatcher and read part of her memoirs for a research project, but her conservative stances were a little too much for my taste.  Her and Ronald Regan used to exchange notes about how she should stand her ground against the EU agenda.
   
   The man being interview in the Fox video, Danile Hannan, is a euroceptic, which means he is highly opposed to the EU.  He actually is someone that would be in the Republican party if he lived in the US.

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      Plants and Oilsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Even Thatcher didn't try to get rid of the NHS, though.

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   BrianFanslauposted 14 years ago

   Politics are confusing. I'm only 22. I have much to learn but I've run 5 different successful businesses so far and the principal of government run healthcare versus private health care just won't last. I know there are facts and figures to support me on this but it is a very unpopular opinion to have in forums and often like this it is buried quickly. Fox may be conservative in their views but what about Jon Stossel or Barbra Walters or the ABC Morning Crew? we rarely hear so much as a peep about their political stances because people choose not to report the obvious Left Wingers because they are popular in their ring of networks.
   
   Sean Hannity whether for or against him like Rush Limbaugh has one of the highest rated shows in radio and television history. Someone is watching them. Maybe many more someones than the main stream media can silence. We will see I'm not to worried the truth always comes to the surface.
   
   Our own president is back on the campaign trail to convince us of his healthcare policies. He is losing his credibility with the people he swung to vote for him and soon will be nothing more than another Lame duck Bush.
   
   If you want to see why in a statistical sense go here to this guys youtube channel he was asked to come to congress to speak but as of now is barred by Democrats.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFV5Tx4LxBM

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   It is too early to tell whether Obama will be re-elected or not.  In 1991 after the Gulf War Bush had one of the highest approval ratings since FDR, but a year later it had dropped considerably before the election.  There is no telling exactly what the next four years may bring.

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      BrianFanslauposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      True. But according to his own budget plan for the next 8 years he will out spend Bush by over 300% and that is HIS OWN BUDGET.
      
      I'm sorry but I am not going to vote for a man who spends money like Paris Hilton on a Binge

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         SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That is a gross generalization, but you are free to feel so.  Bush's spending policies were not all that stellar either, and anyone coming in was probably going to continue down the road of stimulus funding.

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   SweetiePieposted 14 years ago

   I actually talked to a few people that were thinking about going to France for some very specialized back treatments.  There is privatized health care in Europe, and people are able to spend extra if they do not want to wait.

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    alekhouseposted 14 years ago

    As an American, I've been running a bed and breakfast in Louisville, Kentucky for 15yrs. My guests come from all over the world. We have had many many discussions at the breakfast table about important world issues. One of them is health care. All the people (and I've spoken with many) from both Canada and England have spoken highly of their health systems.  They say it works well for them and appear to be more than satisfied.

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       Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sure this is true, however aren't travelers who are able to venture to far places, usually fairly healthy? They might have a better opinion of health care. Still, they could be totally correct.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    People usually go to the US to get treatment faster, things like hip surgery or whatever. I don't know of any serious life-threatening treatments that people have had to go to the US for but when someone is desperate they will go to any lengths. But I have read of US citizens going to Mexico or Europe for treatments that are not available in the US.
    
    I'm sure there are some who felt their lives were in danger because of wait times but I don't know any of the details.
    
    I think there are some people (and definitely not all who go to the US for treatment are like this)  who believe they should get treatment ahead of other people because they can afford to pay for it, but I disagree with that. There was talk of bringing in a two-tier plan here but it hasn't gone very far.

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    ledefensetechposted 14 years ago

    It's all about supply.  If you stop artificially restricting the number of doctors who can practice in this country and eliminate the monopoly period on new drugs, you'd see the cost of healthcare drop like a rock.  Of course then doctors and drug companies would have to work for a living, but what's wrong with that?

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    sexkittenposted 14 years ago

    I just like to play with doctors, so it's all good.

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    ledefensetechposted 14 years ago

    What's funny is the fact that nobody has said much about medical tourism.  In some cases it's much easier for anyone from a First World nation to get quick affordable procedures done in the Third World.  I wonder why that is?  People from Europe, Canada, the UK,  the EU all of them do it.  The big question is why?  What makes medical tourism so different than that which you can find at home?

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