TiffanyDow wrote:

Hi Hubbers!

Or what is it we call ourselves here? LOL - Sorry, I’m a Squid until now, so I’m fairly new to the depths of Hub. 

I’m just getting started and plan on doing more with health here, but haven’t built anymore lenses until I know what I’m doing wrong. It's frustrating taking time to write and add images and then the Hub doesn't go anywhere while I see all sorts of 90s flowing around here.

Thanks!
Tiff

If you're such a newbie, then why are you already promoting yourself as some sort of Hubpages expert on the Warrior's Forum? Or are you simply using this forum to research your next ebook?

http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/topic … _ID=231268

embitca wrote:

If you're such a newbie, then why are you already promoting yourself as some sort of Hubpages expert on the Warrior's Forum? Or are you simply using this forum to research your next ebook?

http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/topic … _ID=231268

....because that's what Tiffany does....  She's a professional ghostwriter and marketer.

Yes, I'm writing an eBook about it. Step by Step for newbies. But I've been completely honest with my customers that I'm just know learning the ropes myself. Not promoting myself as an expert.

That's what this whole process is. I've been in touch with several Hub staff, letting them know what I'm doing (researching everything for my eBook).  The reason for that is, I want to make sure I write about it so that everything adheres to not just TOS, but etiquette, too.

My customers (and Warriors) like the style I explain things in - very non-technical, step by step, so you don't have to go posting in forums asking questions - it's all  laid out for you. So what I do (with Squidoo, Twitter, and other sites like Hub), is I dig my heels in, learn the ropes, and pass the information along.

That's why I gave them that sneak peek showing them how mine failed initially. The eBook will end with me being an expert because for the next month or so, that's my job - to become one. Hence, the questions

Is this offensive?  To some, I know the whole "make money online" thing is, but it's not meant to be all spammy. I'm going about it the right way I believe.
tiff

PS - I'm not just using the forum as research (wanted to clarify).

Like with Squidoo, I was a member before I decided to write an eBook and only when I noticed success did I decide I wanted to share the knowledge of it.

Even though "my hub pages suck," they ARE performing rank wise in Google for me for the keyword phrases I was targeting, so like Squidoo, it's another site I wanted to share.

I will be a permanent member here, not leaving once the eBook is complete. I'm not using the people, in other words. I really want to learn. And so do many others (not make money niche, but people who promote gardening, parenting, caregiving, etc.).

tiff

Hi Tiffany,

I have your Squidoo book, and I have written a Hub about the problems of Web 2.0 Marketing as is it being promoted at the moment.

Feel free to use the material in it.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Web-20-Marketin … Or-Fiction

Jenny

P.S. Just in case, because I don't go into credentials on the Hub, I have an Honours degree in Psychology and 20 years' experience in marketing consulting across a wide range of industries, and I am writing about the "make money online" industry from a perspective that not many IM gurus have (Rich Schefren being one notable exception).

Thanks so much, Jenny! Rich was one of my first long-term clients. He taught me a lot.

The thing is, so many marketers just circle these sites like sharks - wanted to gulp down their prey (traffic/vitisors), so they take a shortcut, buy some awful (and cheap) plr, tack it up with no images, dont' participate in the community, and then gripe when the site isn't working for them.

You've read my Squidoo eBook - I try to teach people the importance of it being a peer-to-peer interactive environment, but some will never get it.  What's rewarding is to get emails from those who DO get it and who make lots of friends on Squidoo (or hub for instance) and then in turn, succeed financially from their efforts.

I made a mistake with my first version of the Squidoo eBook in not stressing more the etiquette, so in later versions, I made sure to add that in. I had just naively assumed everyone would do what I did - write original content, make the page aesthetically pleasing, and participatewith their peers, and they didn't. I got blamed for an onslaught of spammy types, so I'll never make that mistake again.
tiff

mroconnell wrote:

Geez.  You've gotten about 20 fans in the past couple hours. 

I think my hubs suck too, everybody.

Yeah, I put feelers out to my Squidoo customers asking them for their Hub pages so I can learn from them too and asked them to share their tips with me for my eBook. Lots of good pages out there!

Back to the Hubscore issue, I notice the highest scoring of my 'mature' Hubs (those that have been published for a while) all have the bulk of their traffic coming from sites external to HubPages.

I agree your Hubs look pretty good in terms of content.  You make need to look at a bit of SEO, extenal links etc, to draw in traffic from search engines, blogs or social networking sites.

A clue to your problem with the Cholesterol hub is that there are a large number of hubs with this keyword already.  This will be the same on Google.  You might try changing the title or the introduction to draw more search traffic.

Rik Ravado wrote:

Back to the Hubscore issue, I notice the highest scoring of my 'mature' Hubs (those that have been published for a while) all have the bulk of their traffic coming from sites external to HubPages.

I agree your Hubs look pretty good in terms of content.  You make need to look at a bit of SEO, extenal links etc, to draw in traffic from search engines, blogs or social networking sites.

A clue to your problem with the Cholesterol hub is that there are a large number of hubs with this keyword already.  This will be the same on Google.  You might try changing the title or the introduction to draw more search traffic.

Thanks, Rik! I have just now started funneling traffic from outside to my Hub. Plus, I'm about to launch a heart health blog, so I'll promote them there, too.

Someone had mentioned that my Hubs don't have a lot of content. Does anyone know what's a good word count? I like smaller broken up articles instead of large ones (especially without the ability to add another left-aligned image), but if I need to add more capsules initially, I will. I planned on adding more content as time goes on, but perhaps there's a good initial number I need to be shooting for?

Hi Tiffany,
Your Hubs don't suck!
I don't know if there's a connection, but I've used lots of photos on the two Hubs I've written so far and have gotten good scores.

I find about 1000 words seem to work well - 1500 is good too  for hubscore - but I think they are little long for actual readability - though darkside has a sneaky approach that hacks a table of contents which I haven't got around to using yet.  I find 500  words means that I don't really have enough hubscore to get noticed - I suppose I could promote the hell out of some of the smaller ones but I really can't be bothered :-)

You might be writing the ebook but I have just written the hub - not that I am any expert on marketing  - though I am better than some- the mistakes people make seem so obvious that I decided to write them down [url= Hubpages for Internet Marketing[/url]

Tiff mate, I don't bother with word count I just wait until I run out of steam and break up my article into a few text capsules and spread them throughout the hub!

But later on adding or updating the content is what I like to do best, I've written quite a few articles over at ezinearticles.com and I've completely re written them to include as a hub page or a squidoo page...it's just finding the time to do all of this..!!!

This forum is great for finding stuff out, so just ask away!!

TiffanyDow wrote:

Someone had mentioned that my Hubs don't have a lot of content. Does anyone know what's a good word count? I like smaller broken up articles instead of large ones (especially without the ability to add another left-aligned image), but if I need to add more capsules initially, I will. I planned on adding more content as time goes on, but perhaps there's a good initial number I need to be shooting for?

I would do a minimum of 500 words, to make a Hub "feel" meaty, but 700-1000 is better.

I am curious as to what your objection is to floating images to the right?

I use all sorts of objects to break up large chunks of text - even Amazon capsules, if I can't think of any better alternative!

That Web 2.0 Hub is quite long, so I had to use a variety of tricks to break up the text and make it look approachable - let me know if you can't figure out how I did any of them, and I'll tell you.

Jenny

Inspirepub wrote:

I am curious as to what your objection is to floating images to the right? I use all sorts of objects to break up large chunks of text - even Amazon capsules, if I can't think of any better alternative!

Jenny

No, no objection to the right. What I want to do is have a top right image next to where the text begins, and then - if I have a lengthy capsule, I'd like to align one to the left farther down. Kind of staggering it.

I wouldn't mind being able to do an Amazon capsule, either. If you look at the Anatomy of an aerty section on my lens here: squidoo.com/high-cholesterol-foods you'll see how I do it - an image to the right and a product (or sometimes just an image) to the left. 

But I have to use SquidUtils.com for that since Squidoo doesn't have that capability, either.

Which brings me to a good question - is there anything similar to squidutils.com for hub pages?

Amazon capsules will "fill" on the left just like text. Just leave the Amazon capsule full width and float an image to the right inside it, and you will get the Amazon capsule contents to the left of the image.

I don't believe there is an equivalent utility here, but Darkside is the man to ask - he has a hack for everything that's hackable ...

Jenny

TiffanyDow wrote:

Is this offensive?  To some, I know the whole "make money online" thing is, but it's not meant to be all spammy. I'm going about it the right way I believe.
tiff

The right way, in my opinion, would have been mentioning it in the first post on this thread rather than explaining it on page 2. Either you could have mentioned it or someone from Hubpages could have mentioned it since they seem to have given you their blessing.

And I just saw your bitch session on Warrior's Forum. For the record, I am in IM. It is how I make my full-time living. In fact, I've bought content from you in the past and I expect I may do so again in the future.

I do not have a problem with people making money or with selling information that can be found for free (unless the info is scammy). Time is money after all and some people have more money and less time. But I do have issues with disclosure and since you are basically using the forum to have other people do much of the scut work for you on how this site works (You have to DIG? Come on! You get multiple answers for every question you ask, complete with supporting links, there is no digging), I feel that you should have disclosed immediately. That is all.

As someone who is in IM though, I do shudder a bit when I see new e-books coming out in the WSO forum on how to exploit a particular resource because it has happened more than once that I've seen the well completely poisoned by people who just take the bare bones info and don't follow all the rules of courtesy and fair play that authors such as yourself advice. It isn't your fault, obviously, and you can't give an IQ test to customers first unfortunately, but it does make you the most visible person to blame.

I have no doubt that by allowing you to rummage through everyone's brains in the forums that the Hubpages team is hoping to mitigate some of the impact of any book about using this site to make money by making sure you understand just how strictly things are run here unlike the Squidoo wild wild west, but I also have no doubt that after your first WSO for it, Maddie will be working overtime to stem the tide of spam coming from the subset of folks who will purchase your book, but will only read the headlines and not bother to appreciate the nuances of getting along here that you will be sharing with them.

embitca wrote:

As someone who is in IM though, I do shudder a bit when I see new e-books coming out in the WSO forum on how to exploit a particular resource because it has happened more than once that I've seen the well completely poisoned by people who just take the bare bones info and don't follow all the rules of courtesy and fair play that authors such as yourself advice. It isn't your fault, obviously, and you can't give an IQ test to customers first unfortunately, but it does make you the most visible person to blame.

One of the reasons I wrote Hubpages for Internet Marketing is because  I was bored late one night watching TV and flicking thru the latest hubs list - I think I flagged about 40% of what was on the first couple of pages - its really easy to pick a spammer - because as you say  - most appear not that bright - so if anyone does want to have a bit of fun- check out the latest hubs

-  the ones that are 2 lines long with a link - flag
- the ones in a foreign language - flag
- the ones that have lots and lots of links to a similar site  - flag
- double check the hubs with no photos -especially if the same author has published more than 1 hub on the page - which is usually within the hour - if it looks well written - grab a couple of lines of text, highlight crtl-C  - not from the start - they can be taught to change that but from a middle paragraph: click on google and ctrlV the text into google- the first match should be the hub - there shouldn't be any other matches - if there are its duplicate content -  usually from wikipedia or ezines or another article site - doesn't matter if they are the author its illegal on hP  - flag the hub and drop the url of the duplicate in the notes section to make Maddies life easier!

If anyone should be writing an ebook on how to Hub, it should be Darkside.

He has some of the best Hubs on that subject, but if you're going to use the material in your book, I hope you'll have the grace to credit him.

I have to say, Tiffany, that I am a bit dubiouis about charging people for a book on how to Hub.

Presumably they will be paying out this money in the expectation that Hubbing will help them to make money.

Given that Hubbing as it is designed produces a couple of dollars per 1000 views, only people who are really good at getting traffic make anything like an income from Hubbing.

To use HubPages to get traffic and channel it to another site requires being ten times as good at getting traffic to the Hub, because of the drop-off from arriving as a Hub visitor to exiting via a link.

I can see some SEO value in links from Hubs, but to achieve that value you need a Hub Score over 50 and a Hubber Score over 75, and that requires constant activity on the site to maintain. Drop down, and your links all get "no follow" tagged. Links in comments are "no follow" tagged.

I can't see how you can extract $30 from someone to teach them how to do this without misrepresenting the "opportunity" presented by HubPages.

For someone who is willing to join the community and produce exclusive content for Hubs ongoingly, it is certainly an enjoyable activity and a great community.

However, the best strategy I can see for anyone else is to pay established Hubbers to Hub for them under the established Hubber's ID, which takes away the overhead of effort required to keep the links live.

Jenny

"Heard the Horror Stories About Hub Pages Being Shut Down Without Warning?

Want to Ride the Wave of Web 2.0, But Just Get Confused and Need a Little Step-By-Step "Make It Happen for Me Fast" Guidelines?

Well I'm writing the second of my web 2.0 guides (The first was Social Networking on Squidoo) and this one is called Harnessing Traffic from Hub Pages.

It's not yet complete, but I'm giving you a quick sneak peek into the coming report FREE. It's a short chapter, but if you've ever had trouble with Hub - you'll realize you aren't alone! And you'll discover the similarities and differences between Hub and Squidoo."

Sheesh - another expert who's been here five minutes and can't even work out how to add images. Just what we need.

What's going to be your first piece of advice?

Pretend to be too stupid to work out how the site works, then ask questions on the forum until the people doing the answering are so fed up with newbies asking for some help with their hub entitled "Generating massive amounts of traffic using hubpages." that no one answers any questions any more.