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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Again tk, nothing but class.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
What's that? Nothing but the truth? It is unfortunate that it is sometimes unpleasant.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Truth according to who? You? What makes you think your opinion is the right one? It is disrespectful.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're not going to tell me how well educated you are now, are you?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's your response? Really? I just called your opinion disrespectful.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, you just reminded me of some people...
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who are these some people you are referring too. We are all people you know.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are very, very smart.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are very, very repetitive. Let me see tk top three:
  
  laundry
  read the news paper
  you are very, very smart
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But aren't you very smart and well educated?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am. I also like to do laundry, but I actually prefer reading news online as opposed to paying for the newspaper . The BBC is my favorite website .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I knew it! Someone told me over and over and over and over and over and over and over, so I knew it must be true.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I also know you are super rude, and I just say it because I know it annoys you. My very first interaction with you was a few months ago when you questioned me, and then scolded me for not enjoying attending church services. You do this on other websites too, starting petty arguments.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm afraid your memory has failed you again...
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have the memory of an elephant. The smart intelligent women of the world do not put up with men like you.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In what way did I remind you of "some people" and who are these "people" you are referring to?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They are some very smart and well educated people who never miss a chance to tell everyone how much they admire themselves.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And have I exhibited that?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I asked you a question to find out, but you never answered.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The one about whether or not I was going to tell you how educated I am? Well the answer is no. I only bring up my education/experience if it pertains to the conversation or if I am asked.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I bring it up because tk tells me not too. Also, because he is very condescending and rude. He does not have the right to command what people talk about on this forum.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no reasoning with this, um, person, and no understanding will be reached. I'm beginning to think he has yeah, 'Silence of the Lambs' level issues regarding women, especially, but anti-social tendencies definitely.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The truth according to Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and Caddell, a disgruntled pollster who technically left the party in 1988. Interestingly he says he is a Democrat on the Glenn Beck show, but he just says that to make himself seem more inclusive.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
"the Democratic party is actually more conservative than it was thirty years ago"

And you base this on what evidence?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Many liberal Democrats say so all the time, but you are too disingenuous to see that. Pelosi and the liberals wanted single payer health care and not a public option, but you know Obama is more about the compromises. Obama is much more willing to work with his opposition than past presidents I have seen in Washington. Let us just say Bush would not have bent over backwards to please those who disagreed. In one rare interview he said he was the president and knew best. Chenney said he did not care if people were opposed to the war in Iraq.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "the Democratic party is actually more conservative than it was thirty years ago"
  
  And you base this on what evidence?
  
  Can you answer the question now?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just did, but you were not paying attention. That is one of tk's favorite lines, and I should add that to his list of most said things .
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Many liberal Democrats say so all the time"
  
  Was that the answer? Or was it that Pelosi wanted a single payer system? Where is the evidence the Democratic party is now more conservative than it was 30 years ago?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They compromise on many key issues to make the Republicans happy, whereas in the old days Democrats were more willing to just push for legislation that they wished. Sorry you are so disingenuous and try to muddy the waters. Your bias against liberals is showing all the time really. Why waste my time explaining something to someone who has already made up their mind.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! Good job being wrong again!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just because you declare me wrong does not make it so. However, as I said you enjoy the petty arguments and conflicts.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, take a look at history rather than merely your emotions and see whether you were wrong or not.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That does not make them conservative it makes the people they represent more conservative than liberal! I am not trying to muddy the waters I just think you have no idea what you are talking about! 30 years ago Democrats voted overwhelmingly for Reagan they did it again 4 years later.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually that is not 100% accurate. A lot of people I know did not go to vote in California in the 1980 election because they wanted to vote for Carter, but the election had already been called on TV before the polls were officially closed on the west coast. Reagan was popular because of his celebrity, but you really do not know much about the Democratic party. I know my stuff!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ???????? Forget it!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A lot of people you know?! Well, that changes everything! That kind of scientific polling certainly needs to be taken into account!
  
  ..............
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This was a story talked about in the news you silly. This is why they tell people not to look at the news before the polls are closed on the west coast because of the accusations in the past that elections were already called. Carter was not perfect, but there were a few more people that did feel discouraged from voting for him.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Talked about in the news!? OMG!!!Elections were never talked about in the news before! What a shocker!!!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bizarro Superman make backwards world!
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
I see your point sweetie. I guess he was comparing the two of us then?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No he likes you I believe. He really does not like other people, and wants you to tell him how we are arrogant. I really only say certain things because I get tired of his weird comments and questions. Some days I ignore him completely, and then he quotes me hours later.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And I stand by what I'm saying. I mean it literally.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. He is acting like Hanibal Lecter, who certainly had an obsession with that lady in the movie. Cannot remember her name, but you know what I mean.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We are back to movies again...and you are right about the obsession (!) Wasn't thinking of it quite that way...but, yes.
  
  We are good at this, .
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OMG! Do you really, really mean it? That sure is something.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Your level of class just keeps rising tk.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
I better not be Clarice, or I'm running outta here.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think SP is Clarice, actually...though others can fill in, certainly...depends on the day.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
tk I have some questions. Its up to you if you want to answer.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go for it.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Popcorn time. Gotta see this.
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Colebabie and Lita,

I think he has a Claurice like obsession with any woman who do not agree with him. Why is he on the computer badgering people instead of spending time with his wife and son. I am single and I do not have people to answer to, but all this time he spends on the computer is time away from his family. He must feel bored, or either they do not want to talk to him.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's a phony profile, SP... sigh. I'm pretty sure.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is probably the case. I am just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt if he is really married, please go spend time with your wife and not badgering others.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, the psycho stalker stalks again!!!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Waaa! You're mean to me 'cause I'm a girl!"
  
  Powerful feminist message there, sister.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
You can answer all or some. I'm being serious when I ask them.
1. Are you happy?
2. Do you think you're funny/witty?
3. Have you ever posted a comment that didn't include: sarcasm, name-calling, a rolly eyed smiley, something just to prove you're right, or an inappropriate/disrespectful notation?
4. Do you ever want to try to be nice?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  1. Yes
  
  2. 1/10
  
  3. Yes
  
  4. Yes
  
  That's it? For all the build up, those are some weak-ass questions.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are weak. And to be American about it, "You Lie!" But that was to be expected.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, that is so mean...
  
  You will did hurted mine feelings...
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
And your response says otherwise. Why the rudeness again? Its like you can't help by throwing something mean into every post. You just proved my point.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Antisocial personalities really are not like other people. I've never seen a shred of anything decent in anything he has ever posted. And several of us were nice to him (yes, I was) when he was first on here.
  
  So was Ron Montgomery...but it didn't take us that long to figure it out.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  NBC Tuesdays: 9PM - THE (amatuer, completely guessing, bitter and insecure) PROFILER!
  
  DON'T MISS IT!!!!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that is your show. It's actually denoted by another term when a mentally disturbed person does this. Mirroring. Projecting.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does that take place out in the shrubs with the night vision goggles, stalker?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not to mention his typing all in caps, which is shouting. He is screaming about all of this. Tk, I really do not care who you are or what you do, but can you stop being so sarcastic already.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Great. Leave it at that and you'll have less to whine about.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You asked, I answered. Don't blame me if the answers don't satisfy you.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its not about my satisfaction. I wasn't hoping for that last sentence at the end. Your answers were fine, but your attitude isn't.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you don't like my attitude feel free to ignore me. I won't mind, really. But if you ask me questions I think it's only fair that I try to answer them if I can.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, your answers weren't the problem. I appreciate you answering them, because you didn't have to.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My pleasure.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Just say something nice. Please. Come on. I dare you!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are a wonderful person and God loves you!
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh did I forget the part that you actually have to mean what you say?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He pulled this same act with SP...mainly I think so he could continue to talk to her.
  
  As I said, I was nice to him when he first joined here. But now I just see what I see.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is really obsessed with me. I know especially when the same IP address posts on my hub with different screenames.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you out to make yourself look (more) foolish now? Careful...
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well no I do not look foolish, but you and another screen name have exactly the same IP address. I have no reason to lie about it because it lined up exactly. Unless you both live in the same area I find it pretty uncanny. I just found it funny too! Other hubbers have expressed the same concerns as me a long time ago over comments with the same IP. I am inclined to think you are both the same person, but I do not even care really.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you might want to double check your technology there kid, then you can move on to your conclusions.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I have been hubbing on the site for two years and know how these things work. You have only written a few hubs and primarily hang out on the political forum.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said the same thing about History and English usage and we know how that worked out...
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I write really well thank you. I love my writing and history knowledge. You, on the other hand, only put people down. I have helped a lot of people on Hubpages, and I write really good hubs that I take pride in.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  .......................perfect...................
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's fairly obvious. Hate to inform anyone. Especially with a 'style' like that...or whatever you want to call it.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, 'cause you're "a writer," right? And you read the newspaper!
  
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And it is obvious...very obvious...exactly what you are and what you are not. To anyone.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats the new game, they try and convince others you have alter egos, strange.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  First off Tex it is not even you, okay. If two hubbers are leaving weird comments on my hubs and they have the same IP address it is more likely than not they live in the same location, or are the same person. Maybe the same location, but it seems a little random for that. Anyway, I really do not care, I am just saying.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not even me?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are not part of tk posting weird comments on my hub, so why should you intercede on his behalf? I know the conservatives on here all try to have each others backs, but you can stand alone once and awhile.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was pointing out facts sorry if that upset you.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which wierd comments on which hub?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Demanding that I post my entire hub on the forum, as if people never write hubs about their thoughts instead. That was kind of weird in my opinion.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe he is seriously what those leash-moms, lol, on the other thread are afraid of...or he has the potential to turn into it.
  
  And yes, yes, I'm aware through the diction and...I guess you'd call that 'voice' ...that he is more than one poster-troll on these forums.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This week, on a very special 'Profiler'
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are a hero.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you doubting my sincerity? I mean everything I've said here (including and especially those heartfelt comments that I've been too kind to keep posted) with the exception of any jokes and/or sarcasm that I would hope have been obvious enough.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
No, just reassuring that you knew the rules Thanks for those words.
"heartfelt comments" again with the sarcasm. Is there like a sarcasm chip inside you that we can remove?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only the MIB can remove the chip they implanted.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So should I call Will Smith?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "J" if you don't mind...
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just hung up with him, he said he's too busy gettin' jiggy wit it, and you should fix the problem yourself.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's because it's the summer, summer, summer time. Time to kick right back rewind...summertime...
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look at that. A whole conversation with nothing but fun. So it is possible...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is even probable.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
tex- you just pop up randomly don't ya?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do!
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Just because you think it doesn't mean you need to say it tk.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It does. It really does.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm thinking of John Mayer naked right now. Totally didn't need to say that.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
That's it? And "demanding"? Is that like your impression of 'hate' and 'oppression' and 'preventing you from stating your opinion'? I do recall commenting that you made a hub to hide your *ahem* political views from response, but I don't recall any "demanding" and I don't reall any other screen names. Would you like to explain, or just apologize for being misleading and dramatic?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I would like you to apologize to me, but I will leave that up to you!
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bgpappaposted 14 years ago
Why is it when Conservatives march they are patriots but when liberals march they are traitors.

Just wondering.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Pappa you know why!
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Well I am going to sleep now. Thanks for the fan mail tk. Everyone have a good night
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Later
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Don't hold your breath. And what's all this 'other screen name' shit about?
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
tk, seriously. what do you get out of doing that?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Doing what? Responding to questions and comments?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Calling people vulgar terms.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What vulgar terms do you see?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  None, you deleted it. But to put it in the first place in disrespectful and unnecessary.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't want me to edit my posts when I feel I should?
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'd rather you not say inappropriate things to begin with. You shouldn't depend on the edit button to be your conscience.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would appreciate you report what you saw, Cole.
  
  This is truly ridiculous.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe I will be the judge of that, and I have been quite temperate in my consideration of some people's sensitivities.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Enough is enough.
  
  This has gone far enough and it isn't cute. I've never done what I'm about to do before, but I have seen enough.
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
It has been seen and reported. And we will go another step.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Somebody's getting her night vision goggles out!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's not it. You'll see soon...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is great. Get those psycho stalker skills honed...
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Yeah dumb move tk. I told you just because you think it doesn't mean it needs to be said.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
I just don't get it. tk why post it at all if in 5 seconds you'll realize it is wrong? can't you just read what you write before you post it and edit it then? you really wanna get kicked outta here don't you? its not "some people's sensitivities" it is a general level of respect. I am not a sensitive person at all, and if those words had been meant for me, I would not have been happy.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because it is called 'gaming the system.' He is fully aware of what he is doing. I would not mistake that.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You'll just have to trust my judgement. It's not like I accuse someone of being someone they are not, claim their bio is bogus, try to play amateur profilier, denigrate their education, compare them to an animal, make disparaging assumptions about their family, income level or religion,play Jr. detective searching other sites all over the web for 'gotcha' material or pretend there are other screen names in use when there are not, etc.
  
  And when I post something I feel is inappropriate, I remove it. I have noticed that certain people do not share in this practice.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree with TK on this one. It seems that when some of us post our comments, we are denegraded, and called 'rude', often belittled, and some are so condesending that is makes your blood boil. Most of us have been very respectful, but the few who think they are somehow superior because of the number of Hubs, or their constant mention of their academics, are the ones who complain about our post. It looks like double standards to me.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, TK posted a really rude comment about Lita, and a few moments later deleted it. A few people were able to see it, so this part of discussion refers to this fact. Trust me, it was genuinely quite insulting. Can't blame him for loosing his cool though, Lita was outstanding yesterday.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She is such a Hall monitor
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I don't think I am superior at all. I do not mention my academics constantly and I have a right to complain. And "Bitch" to me is inappropriate, degrading and rude. You didn't even know what I was referring to. So if you think that word is anything but, you need to raise your standards.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He called someone that? Who?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  three guesses
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cole, at least read what Lita had to say about Girly_girl on this thread, so you would understand where TK was coming from.
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  blue dogposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  tk comes from a place most of us choose not to go.
  
  right, misha?
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
However you post it knowing it is inappropriate. Then remove it so you will not get in trouble.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no "trouble" here to worry me. Rest assured that anything I remove is the result of my own consideration.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then do you not learn from your mistakes? Because on more than one occasion you posted the same word and then deleted it.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I reflect on my posts and when appropriate I edit them. Seems reasonable to me. Seems like the very reason why that function exists.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Well I just suggest you leave certain words out to begin with. They don't belong here. Good night tk.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Leave that to me.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Or to HP.
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tksenseiposted 14 years ago
Whatever works for ya.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
It has nothing to do with me.
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
I do not care about the specific numbers there, but I am very disturbed by the racist imagery of many of those Obama signs. Anyone who is proud to parade around with those really needs to think twice. Yes, it is disturbing to imply Obama is Hitler, Che, Sambo, or anyone but himself. It is just plain wrong, and if that is all the better things people have to do, that is more reason for me to know I was right for voting for Obama. I would not want to even be within hundred feet of people denigrating someone in that fashion.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should you tube some of the comments and posters of Bush. He was also portrayed as the joker, and hitler. You have every right to be as upset as we were then.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is becoming more vitriol and pervasive than in the days of Bush. Also, I saw this building up after the day of the election when people already started some of these tactics of implying we were headed down the road to ruin. Also, it might interest some Americans to know that the Brits see our behavior as a bit boorish, and disrespectful towards Obama:
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters … l#comments
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you feel like that because you are on a receiving side now. I personally don't see it getting even close to Bush times, especially in mass media, most of which is obviously heavily left-sided.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I do not feel that way now, I felt that way before. Honestly if you as a international person cannot see how ridiculous some of the conservatives act, then I think you are just siding with the loudest group .
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually just yesterday night i was thinking about whom i am siding with, and came to the conclusion that i am siding with the oppressed side usually. At Bush times i was against Bush, now I am against Obama. go figure.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can I be honest? I think you just like to argue which ever side seems to be the loudest and having the most fun. You like to be part of a team, and yes I have noticed. I am on the receiving end quite a lot, and many times it was attacking of me . Things you have said to me were highly uncalled for too, not that I care or anything. I know I have been nicer.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. Although I'd get a little more psychological with it.
  
  Hang in there, Miss SP! Have a good day, .
  
  I'm late! lol
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, being honest is the best thing to do, at least you get it all off your chest and feel better.
  
  I have to disagree about liking to be a part of a team, i always like to play lone hand. yet i would be really interested to hear what others see in this regard, cause having an honest feedback is always beneficial.
  
  As for "attacking" you (or rather confronting your opinions, which is different) - I still think that this was (and still is) highly called for, at least on my books.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can disagree with me all you like, but I noticed I never came to your hubs and said well you think this way because you are such and such. Do as you like, but some of your disagreements with me have crossed the line. I thought about it and you are just having fun, and just cannot fathom the sensitivities others may have. However, and this is a big however, writing comments like you are surprised you agree with me in a blue moon is just weird. I never did that to you. When did I go to Misha's hub or forum post and say "Wow I am finally agreeing with something he said". It is as if you have a need to assert your superiority over me, and yes it has come off that way.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sweetie, the only disagreement I have with you, is when you are constantly personally hurt or appauled or outraged even offended. Not everything is about you. Somethings are about this administration, and about others.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When you and others have made personal comments about my lack of knowledge and how I am going to fall hard, that once again is personal. You have a different opinion than me, but I did not go after you that way. I do not even go to your hubs, some of which I do not agree with, and tell you things are not about you. One time I was expressing my opinions about an issue that directly effects me personally, and you deigned to tell me it is not about me. Sometimes the political is personal, and the assumption it is not is in the eye of the beholder.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If talking politics effects you ina personal way then you should stop!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am one of the people that has been disparaged the most on this forum. I stand up for rude remarks and prejudice, and if people do not like it so be it.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then quit whining and stand up for yourself! You sound like a child when you start complaining someone is coming after you personally! And you may want to quit letting Lita manipulate you into being a victim!
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ........................
  
  Will the Waaaaambulance ever run out of gas?
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But in the forums, when we talk about politics you want to take it personally, as if the disagreement are against you. You are not the president, when someone disagrees with him it's about him. You have made it perfectly clear that you are an educated person, we got it, if you would give feedback without being condescending towards other, we could actually have a great debate.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can I be honest I am not condescending? If anything it has been the other way around with you telling me what I should, and should not feel, or what I should, and should not say. You perceive me as being overly offended, but on several occasions I have found your remarks condescending. Just to share.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can be at times.
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  girly_girl09posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the condescending attitudes on here are ridiculous and uncalled for. Just ignore! It is what seems to quell things around here (and anywhere offline, for that matter).
  
  I do understand how you get personally offended at some of the posters and stuff at the march. Me, too. I highly doubt they represent the entire crowd. I, too, would be uncomfortable marching next to someone with hateful posters. I've dealt with a lot of extremists before, mainly during the primary elections of last year. People need to think before they make signs, they really do. Did you know that the Secret Service does not allow handmade signs to be carried in to many political events where candidates or protected, elected officials are present? I would imagine one of the reasons is to minimize internal bickering and keep tensions down in already heightened crowds.
  
  I have been personally offended seeing signs about Pres. Bush in Kennebunkport whenever the Bush family is in town. People actually come all the way to their PRIVATE home to protest and trust me they are anything but polite. They can't get really close, but they're still everywhere. Getting arrested, shouting, it is insane. It's pretty hard to explain to your little cousin, while you're simply walking down the road to get an ice cream in the summer, why gobs of people are carrying signs calling President Bush "stupid" or "Hitler". It really does go both ways. From what I've seen, there was more negative stuff about Bush, although he was in for 8 years. All I can say is that I hope it is not worse for Obama! I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even someone I frequently disagree with.
  
  It is one thing to disagree with President Obama's policies, it is another to disrespect him or any other President. Personally, my heart does go out to him and I respect him and his position. I respect the office, greatly so, actually. He truly has the most difficult job in the world. That being said, it is my right to respectfully disagree with his policies all I want to.
  
  I think HP could be a fun place to discuss things, if people didn't take condescending tones and confuse disagreeing with policies with disrespecting people. Anyways, it does not seem to be like this here now, so I'm refraining from discussing policy on forums. Just because I do not agree with certain policies does not make me any less of a person. Just because you agree with certain policies does not make you any less of a person.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You have been condescending!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are more than welcome to come to my hubs and say you agree with me.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I actually do not feel the need to do it though. I actually do not mind what other people think, but when others get aggressive about someone else's right to an opinion, I take issue with that. Also, just so you know I have thought deeply and strongly with my positions, and your questioning of them is actually sort of ridiculous. Share your own view point, but stop acting like mine needs to be corrected or improved. Really because I am actually very happy with the way I view things, and I do not need to change my mind to suit your needs.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uh-oh, it was great yesterday, but good things don't last forever I guess. I think I am back to my shell until you start feeling better. If you don't want your positions questioned, don't participate in public forums, or other public venues like publishing hubs with comment boxes. It's THAT easy.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Once again you are telling me what I should do . I feel great every day, and implying I am better some days than others is condescending. I am nice and fair every day, and stand by my convictions. People can participate on a forum without you being overly aggressive, and acting silly about it.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whining again!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well you do know that is condescending comment, right? Telling someone they are whining or not having a good day is usually projecting, but hey whatever suits you best. You cannot control people, and the need to do that is prevalent on forums for sure.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats standing up for yourself! Good job!
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Condescending:
  1. an act or instance of condescending.
  2. behavior that is patronizing or condescending.
  3. voluntary assumption of equality with a person regarded as inferior.
  
  Displaying a patronizingly superior attitude:“
  
  (“‘to let one's self down, stoop, condescend’”)
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jibberish,
  
  You can slant it anyway you like, but many of your comments towards me have been condescending. You told me point blank other people are smarter than me, and I will fall hard. That is condescending and just plain rude. Also, it expresses a need on your part and others to assert authority. Yes you have made condescending comments, and if you cannot accept this that is your business.
  
  Oh and tk is not helping your cause. Glad you all need a team to support your put downs.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What, you don't think anyone is smarter than you?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Personally I know I am very smart about the subjects I enjoy discussing. I may not be smart about rocket science or astronomy, but I know a great deal about history, cultures, and arts and crafts. You and Jibberish have both put down my educational aptitude, my knowledge, and you are worse than she is. You constantly heckle anyone that does not agree with you. The put downs go on for pages and pages, and you are being very juvenile about it. I have never had the need to assert my authority over you. I know what I know, and I do not have to apologize for appreciating what I know. Telling people they cannot discuss what they know or their achievements is disparaging. Every where else in the world I hear people build themselves, especially in the corporate world. Your little comments are way beyond rude, and you know it.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't answer my question. I wonder why...
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Want an example of condescending? How about when Lita says "You have been expressing yourself so much better!" Hmmmm, Thats condescending!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay am I Lita? No. Also, she is not condescending, but is very forthright about her opinions. Since when was that a crime. Not sure why you are so bothered by people that are confident in their abilities and do not parrot your opinions.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever you say, but she is being condescending to you, you just don't notice!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not feel like she is being condescending to me because even if she does not agree with me she respects my opinion. Also, she does not tell me things like I am a whiner, clueless, dangerous, or refers to my whambulance, or other ridiculous comments. I enjoy talking to her, but cannot say the same about several of you.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm shocked you don't feel she is being condescending
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do you keep doing it?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently when it is an opinion you disagree with.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, I was just showing you the only real way to not having your positions questioned.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not always agree with Lita, Sufi, Paraglider, earnest, or pgrundy, but they actually engage in thoughtful discussions. I really admire those hubbers because they know how to disagree with someone without making them feel they ought to know better.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL OK, I am outta here, have to pick up my kids from the school
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Elena.posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Brits only?
  
  It's a pity, a real shame, that some extremist, trollish behavior is what gets showcased of the USA, but that's the way it is because trolls make a lot of noise. And it doesn't only reach the Brits' ears, but the world's at large.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes you are right about the world at large, but I sited the Brits only because that was the article I was referencing. We have several hubbers in the international community that find the trolls to be ridiculous.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly when do we care what other countries care about our beliefs (trolls)? We have been there for every other country, when have they ever come to our aid???
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They never will but we always pull their butts out of a jam!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am afraid I disagree with you guys here, I am not too sure that your interventions were a positive thing on balance.
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They were words of anger, but I am not a very good group player, I am patient, but tend to loose it when it's a constant battle of words without looking at some of the facts. I was the first to disagree and admit it when Bush was out of line, but it's a rare case, even when presented with facts, that some admit they may be wrong.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I bet the Jews in Germany saw it as a positive thing! I bet the French appreciated it, the good ones anyway!
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We only entered the war when we had something to gain.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That makes it less important to the French,British, and the Concentration camp prisoners?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I bet Vietnamese and Koreans appreciated your "help" too, and Iraqis and Afghans are appreciating it now big time. This is leaving aside question about who won WWII.
  
  I think we better not go there, cause this will bring us way off-topic, and frankly won't bring us anywhere. Besides, I am not quite ready to argue those points, so I will chicken out
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am all for Europe.Middle East,Asia solving their own problems! I am happy with our troops protecting us and letting the other "world superpowers" protect and defend other nations!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That I can definitely agree to
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because, believe it or not, we are not better than the rest of the world. We are so arrogant to believe that our current period of glory and power will never end. Turns out the world existed before the United States was founded and it will exist after we have fallen from power. Is it too difficult to consider that they might have some good things to say?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And we sure need Europe in our troubled times, they have always removed themselves from problems!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
What are we gonna argue about today?
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
If you can't see how liberals have behaved for 8 years you are blind!
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
The liberals in general do not hold up signs depicting Bush as derogatory things. Anyone with eyes can see how the signs portraying Obama as anything he is not as denigrating, and pretending not to see it is disingenuous towards your own particular stance.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you suffering from memory loss? A week never went by during the previous administration when Bush was not literally hung and burned in effigy. Some people seem to think that political bias can distort reality.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In his address to the United Nations, Chavez called Bush the devil. The Libs conveniently overlook that.
  
  Hugo needs to apologize.
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
ANother day, another Crisis with Obama! That's why we disagree with him!
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jiberishposted 14 years ago
I will admit, there are time I have to hold back, and i can get condescending and outright rude, but like most, I try to stay on topic, and don't take things personally. I was a great speaker (from my resume), and know when not to speak.
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girly_girl09posted 14 years ago
I am off to school.
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livelongerposted 14 years ago
"Patriots' March"?! Is that what they're really calling it?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't know what they are calling it but it sounds better then Right wing terrorists march!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean "extremists"
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pelosi and Reed prefer the term Nazi.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe McCarthyists would make more sense.
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laringoposted 14 years ago
Whatever I say will undoubtedly get a negative response but I've come to expect that in these forums. Why can't people just give an intelligent viewpoint or opinion on a topic without attacking someone personally. Let someone state their point and give your own point of view without all the personal attacks. How can you raise children to be good people who make a contribution to society when some adults act so badly.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry I attacked Hugo Chavez.
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your mixing apples and oranges;in other words that was not my message.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I understand. I was being silly. We get your message and it is well received. I think most of us participate with the intent of playing nice, but we just don't have the patience to tolerate fools gladly.
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  laringoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Right on!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for your input!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was boring.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She expected different, I hate to be held to expectations!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I expect very little from Texas after the mess Jerry Jones has made.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Especially since he hails from Arkansas!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And, like Bill Clinton, he does not have a license to practice law there.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or anywhere
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know who annoys me more, Jones or Mark Cuban.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I watch no pro sports
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not even baseball? Oh Tex
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Especially baseball! I would rather watch paint dry!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look this is Texas, we have two sports, Football and Spring football! Everything else is just something to do until then!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now you know why I moved back to CA - we have FIVE baseball teams. So there.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry bout your luck!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We also have the 49ers - kick your butt any day of the week
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We have High School teams that would whoop the 49ers and the Cowboys too! We take this football thing serious, you may have noticed they make movies and TV shows about our High School Football! So there!
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nicompposted 14 years ago
This has become very boring. Unless a baseball game broke out at the Patriots March on Washington DC, we need to get back on topic.
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Aya Katzposted 14 years ago
Okay. Back on topic: what are the objectives of the Patriots who are on the march?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scares the crap outta D.C. when the peasants get mad
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I hope so. There are some misguided Libs on this site who think only 6000 people showed up. Or they want to think that.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It eases their mind when they think that we do not outnumber them! And don't forget she claimed she is not a liberal!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...and conservatives who claim 2 million. The reality was apparently 70,000.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Still a hell of a lot more than 6000! McCarthyism? Doesn't really help the cause!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  D.C. Park Police estimate 1.3 million.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can we trust the Police? They are authority figures you know?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or should we trust a hubber who posted a number with no source?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well you know 6000 thousand people WERE there, she did not lie, she just left a few hundred thousand out of the equation!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I assume you mean me.
  
  ABCNews: 60,000-70,000
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  Actually he doesn't mean you, and ABC is not a credible source!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'd say they need to establish the running game and mix in the pass until they have some confidence in Brady's knee.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
How do you know I was talking about Lita? It was on more than one occasion Misha. And it still isn't justified. Just because someone does something you don't like, or you don't like them personally doesn't mean you call names. I didn't mean to call him out on it. But when someone stands up for something/someone when they don't know the situation, and that is obviously wrong, I feel the need to correct it.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I saw TK's post, and while I didn't approve of the packaging, I agreed to the message. Lita was bitching like I never really heard from any respected community member here, without any provocation from Girly_girl side... Shame really...
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Like I said, how do you know I was talking about Lita?

Didn't mean to start anything. Just ignore it. Was just trying to tell jiberish she didn't know what she was talking about to be able to agree with him.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
OK, no sweat, I am silly as usual
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The stuff uttered by you through this thread is unbelievable and uncalled for, Misha. I cannot honestly believe that a grown man 50 years of age and also a senior hubber would would stoop to such a level. You don't even know what or who you are talking about, either, and this is the sad thing. Trying to recruit some hubbers--again, mistakenly--against others is also just...unbelievable... (Kudos to Cole: the girl's got integrity.)
  
  I really doubt if you can even appreciate the fine points of what is a personal insult and what is not an insult, but an intellectual rebuttal (ie, debate attack)...and what I actually said to GG (who I respect far more than you & I think when she comes back...actually I see that she did & did understand.)
  
  I will tell you this: I also understand not all people here are writers/speakers...what have you. I understand all people here do not share my point of view. That is fine. I take great exception...and am not sorry to say it...to the 'tactics' and antics used by certain people on this forum who would call themselves 'conservatives,' but who instead are something of a different nature. In fact, true conservatives would/should be ashamed of these types, as a couple intelligent conservatives posting here and there (there are so few left at the moment) have noted. As I have said before, now is the time for those with conscience and true leadership ability to stand up (GG, IMHO, qualifies in her last post.)
  
  The racism, bigotry, and thinly disguised misogyny inherent (and this has not been 'playing,' either) in some of the recent forum posts I've witnessed is to be roundly condemned. I do not care what political persuasion you profess to be--I feel it is wrong. And I would, yes, condescend to anyone displaying these traits and feel justified in doing so.
  
  As to this 'stuff' (it is just so odd to me, I'm sorry...like a soap opera you are watching) concerning SweetiePie and me 'manipulating' her: She has her own mind and her own strong voice...and was here long before me. I wouldn't respect or call her a friend if she didn't have that voice. Just ridiculous.
  
  I also think this might be good for many here to read, because it was best said here. It pretty much explains how I feel...many of us feel...about the forums these days:
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Fallacy-of-Equal-Time
  
  Written by a very gifted writer and the person who first drew me to Hubpages. I would ask you do not post comments of a certain nature or besiege the author however, or beware the antelopes, .
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
I'd rather trust the DC Park police than ABC figures which might only count the area that their news correspondent is in!
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ABC News says ABC News was sourcing the DC Fire Department.
  
  Obama had 15,000 Acorn employees at his rally. We had 65,000+ from all over the US at ours.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I'm proud of you Ralph! Or not!
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maven101posted 14 years ago
Another apology accepted...Ralph, we have to stop meeting like this....
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SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago
may be interesting to some...but I am getting bored with the bickering and blah blah blah

Please, someone start anew thread if you can't stay on subject or find some common ground
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As if you don't know sis that this is going to happen to every political and religious thread around. Just ignore the noise
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  jiberishposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I started a new forum, it's called what I like about Obama. We only say nice things there.
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is just such a waste of time and energy...just think what we could accomplish if we used that energy to do and say things that found the common ground instead of continuing the rift...
  
  I appreciate the response though Misha...I have been dealing with family issues of late...yukkkk
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
I am afraid I don't have anything to say on that thread
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Feel for you Jewel. Are things getting better at least?
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh it's such a long story...you got a lifetime to hear my lifetime tales of woe?
  Yes, it gets better once I get away from them HAHAHAHAHA!!
  
  tis so easy to love from afar...and through email !
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, right now I am almost done for the day, but if you need a listener, drop me an email
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  SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  nite Misha, thx
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
Your missing a very important aspect of our process, interpretation and precedent.no one was being specific to the actual amendment process
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which process? Based on your earlier posts, it seems as though you don't regard the constitution as coming from a place of truth, or that somehow truth changes over time because we now have new technology. If that's what you mean I don't agree. Is it?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The interpretation process can always be corrupted, no matter which party shoves their judges in there. That still doesn't change the constitution.
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sunforgedposted 14 years ago
I jumped into the forum simply to point out that the constitution is most certainly a living and changeable document

The amendment sidenote was simply a rather obvious proof that this is true

"1. To change for the better; improve: amended the earlier proposal so as to make it more comprehensive.
2. To remove the faults or errors in; correct. See Synonyms at correct.
3. To alter (a legislative measure, for example) formally by adding, deleting, or rephrasing."

Also trying to point out how terrible it would be if we were stuck to the definitions and mentalities of a culture that existed 200 years ago, one in which we no longer have much in common with. Does truth change over time? Perhaps, but Im more concerned with the changing cultural and societal norms many of which are/were caused by the industrial revolution and technology.

Sure, it can be corrupted (is corrupted!) but its a very if not the most powerful way in which our laws including supreme law are translated and enforced. Judicial interpretation

you said "Um, not exactly. Judges interpret the law - it's the legislature that writes them and therefore amends the Constitution."

That would be a paper policy, it in no way reflects how things actually get done
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