The Marine and fear.

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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
The Marine says that a belief based in fear is bad.

Love has no fear.

I believe in love.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Marine or a Marine as there are quite a few on here, I do not like people trying to marginalize a group of very brave and dedicated people who sacrifice much to preserve a way of life. The offhand insults flowing through the forums this past hour have gotten out of hand and the next time someone has something biting to say about Marines I suggest you go take one's place on the frontline so he or she can come home and live out their days in peace. As for the person you refer to, let it go and move on all this is only making it worse and dragging out this farce.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Insult?
  Not at all. I stated what he believes and has said is all.
  He thinks love has fear as he has just said rith in the topic.
  I respect Marines and was merely pointing out his belief.
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  the comments were individual to one who loves his "individual mindset". His avatar has marine in it. We are all very proud of our marines and military forces, they were not collective in the comments made.
  
  that being said, maybe you could give him some orders that would make him stop. Are you a superior officer?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Make me stop?
  
  Does the truth hurt?
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was trying to protect you. "stop" insulting yourself and the image that marines stand for.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am insulting your 1 system belief. It has nothing to do with the marines. Just something your childish mind came up with.
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  Scott.Lifeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you all want him to stop then stop replying.
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  underhiswingsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is good.
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  Lady_Eposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in Love but in the times we live in, Love has Fear.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so love is not reliable. And this happens because love is not perfect, as it's a creation of Man, as all other feelings are. Mind games
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I take it you don't believe in christian god, right? cause love and hell don't go together too well, ya know
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know that someone named King David wrote that if he makes his bed in hell God is there, or if he travels to the uttermost parts of the earth God is there or if he ascends to heaven God is there.
  
  I did read that once.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That definitely is an example of clear answer
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God can be or could be in hell too I would think.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so you mean you believe in christian god? Then stop talking about love, eternal damnation and unconditional love are not compatible.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Once or 100?
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago

Love does have fear.

Why do people fear getting their heart broken by love?

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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  People have fear, love does not.
  Love is not fear based.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not love itself that fears, it's the mind that fears not having love.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is love not a creation of the mind?
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love is a gift from our Creator.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Our mind is our creator.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately it's the mind that got us into all this mess. Love is love, is love. The mind decides what to do as a result of it.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol never fails at getting into messes. I think it is backwards, the mind guides love unless you let love guide the mind.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love is the guide to all things loving and love never fails.
  Love is an action and it takes the action of love at all times and it is not subject to anything.
  Love operates in love and nothing else.
  Love cannot be conquered.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The love of Shiyloh is never wrong neither right? Or is it. Is love absolute?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If love cannot be conquered, what's the point in feeling it?
  If love never fails,why there are a lot of people crying for love?
  Love operates in love and nothing else? and hatred? and lust?
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are speaking of a love of this realm, a humanistic love, an animal love.
  
  It is governed by emotions, feelings and constantly changes.
  
  Many "kinds of love" exist and yet only one love is never changing and cannot be moved by external forces.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  you're wrong. I'm not only talking of human love ,here. I'm talking of LOVE. What you call the 'love that never changes' is an utopy, for that 'love' is every love and all of them
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love is not lust as you mentioned, that is not real love.
  As long as you KNOW what real love is, that's good.
  As long as you do all things in love, that's great.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Every love is real, even if you don't like what's called.Some higher ,some lower, but all is love. I think you know nothing about love.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your thoughts are noted.
  
  I have learned a bit of love being around for over 50 years and raised 3 children and been married for 33 years, I know a bit about it I would think.
  
  I know that many times I have wanted to act without love and yet resisted my own will in order to do the loving thing and give love.
  
  Because I know love to be an action.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What you know about love it seems is not the same as i know . that's because love is relative. different actions for different persons
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And any action should be done with love in mind.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not always Don't be so naive
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His love is absolute!
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The great misunderstanding about Love. Love is not something to conquer. It is everything that prevents us staying in the state of love that is our adversary.
  
  Love is not something you do, it is something you embody and which then effects everyone around you, including the one you are in love with. Love is not an emotion it is a feeling. Get your head around that one!
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  a feeling is an emotion, an emotion is a feeling- Love is not something that you do, but you do a lot of things with it.
  And I think you can conquer love, in the good sense of the word.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Separate it out more. An emotion is different, it is a reaction to an event. A feeling does not require an event in order to have it. Slow down what and how you do things and you will see the difference.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's a state of being. You can chose to love someone depending on what your mind wants you to do. But love in itself is not fear, it is love.
  
  The fear is not about being loved, it's about not being loved.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
How rude, to start a post about another hubber like this. I'm outta here!
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  boo hoo, he trolls in every thread.
  
  see ya.
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ernest,
  Did I detect a hint of humor?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just a hint...
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We may have different views on some things , but you`re o.k. dude.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks! I can be a bit heavy on the zealots.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A zeal for the zealots?
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly!
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes,zealots are a breed of their own.I wish they`d bunch together and go somewhere else because they end up hurting both sides of the issue.I may not agree with you but I will not try to cram my beliefs down your throat.We can agree to disagree respectfully.And yes, you do have a sharp tongue but also a sharp wit. But sometimes that`s an admirable character trait. I, on the other hand try to be less agressive until provoked.If the honey approach doesn`t work, then I go for the vinegar.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is a verse that says:
  "to him that is pure You show Yourself pure and to him that is froward You show Yourself shrewd and froward"
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  Rick Marlowposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But ,remember also that the second greatest commandment is to love thy neighbor as thyself.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
The Marine seems to want to find fault with any belief.

Again, love has no fear and I believe in love.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, not any belief. Grouped belief.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love is not one.
  
  People have fear, love has none.
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
Is there a full moon or something, or is it my fever?
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I don't have a dog in this fight and my only reason for posting is to say there is no reason to start a thread using someones name or avatar. His belief is his belief, and he is entitled to it just as you are. If I thought he was bringing disrespect to the Corps I would be the first to say something!

Semer Fidelis
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He has no belief.
  
  He says that a "government" created God. Never mentions a government, never explains his theory and calls people ignorant every 10 seconds. Baits, trolls, attempts to humiliate. I think he is very deserving of a thread.
  
  I meen, what a unique individual.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How can I have no belief when I believe the government created the bible?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which government created it?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Any grouped belief is government. I don't know which specific party or branch.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The oldest known Bible is the Codex Sinaiticus it dates to 300-350 AD its thought to be one of 50 that Constantine commissioned. Anyway just wondering what Government you thought it was.
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  RCC
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You lost me
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have a specific branch to name. I do know that government prefers to operate as one with followers and not individuals. What easier way to get people to follow than to have them believe as one.
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  sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you ever seen a pie marine?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that but I don't think the group there looking for is necessarily Christians the Churches dogma would be hard to get around.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Explain that please.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Government wants people to succumb to its wishes, if a person feels there is someone more important to answer to they are less likely to cower under the boot of tyranny! Example Muslim terrorists!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I believe any grouped belief can be considered government. Example of the muslim terrorists, they could be considered government in their own right to me because of their grouped belief.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But we are specifically talking about a government controlling Christians, you are saying the government tells them what to think and they are powerless to control themselves because of it. On what do you base this?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am speaking of government controlling government with a 1 belief system. Not speaking directly of a specific government controlling a specific religious group. So in this case, I am saying christians grouped belief to govern christians.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
Even the Marines are taught not to fear.
So what are they suppose to say to that belief?
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Hey Shiyloh...A Marine is taught not to fear because thats all he/she needs to know when they have to hit some beachhead somewhere with a whole bunch of nasties putting up a fight on said beachhead...Try it some time...and then come back and start this same discussion.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, I do not remember saying I had not.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then why do you question what a Marine is taught in boot camp about being proficient in combat...how is this relevant to your discussion on emotions of fear and love?
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is saying that love has fear and yet real love cannot fear or it is not love.
  I brought up the fear factor in the training to show a point.
  If I say love has no fear, he says yes it does.
  He does not know real love then.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have landed in some hostile places in this world and I was plenty scared, fear is something that can be overcome.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You Sir...are a mighty damn Marine! Thank you for your service!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know about mighty but I gave it my best efforts and managed to get back home, I wish they all had!
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Me too...!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know you do and I mourn your loss, Semper Fidelis!
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you...our Marine cared enough to make sure that he had their back...you know...?!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sir, thats what we do!
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm just shaking my head with you in agreement...That's exactly what he did...Ok, I'll stop now...Semper Fi...Well Done, Marine!
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
The topic is fear.

Love having none.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh...Ok...?
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Trying to stay on topic.
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's your topic, my friend...you called it...Please, don't let me stop you...it's getting interesting now!
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quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago
The Marines have a group belief, or how else would they get it done?

Is group belief therefore always a bad thing?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and now what ?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the marines could be considered government also. A group belief system.
  
  Yes, grouped belief is always a bad thing. There is no debate. Individuality does not exist. Free will does not exist.
  
  But, sometimes some must follow for sacrifice. One shouldn't be asked to sacrifice in belief for their entire lives.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can't argue with you about what you believe nor do I care to. This all started with a question of which government created the bible and I have never received an answer. So carry on!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The government I am speaking of is any grouped belief.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What group then? I'm just trying to understand.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the christians put the bible together, I believe they simply put it together for a group control of belief. I believe it has nothing to do with a divine creator.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree that Christianity has been used for nefarious purposes by some. I would even agree that it has been used to control some, but I think that the bible was written by believers of what they had seen.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your conversation, belief, and the time you served. Thank You.
  
  I don't know if I can say anything else to make my point unless you ask me. lol
  
  The bible answers none of my questions of being from a divine creator. If we are all born different individuals, I don't think a divine creator would expect a 1 belief system.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your beliefs and thank you for your service. I have never said whether I believe or I don't believe and will always leave it that way, my only reason for posting here is to try to understand your views, I understand the other side of the issue because I was raised as a Christian and I believe there are levels of Christian belief. Not all Christians want to ram the word of God down your throat and make you accept it!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You Sir. An open mind is always appreciated. I understand that there are good religionist out there that wish nothing but the best. I have family members that are believers and wish nothing more for them to be content in life.
  
  I simply do not understand why any individual would limit their mind and belief to a single system or book. This is a contradiction to having an individual mind in my belief.
  
  If we all believed and acted the same, I would see no difference in human nature and animal nature.
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Same goes for plenty of history books and they do not get questioned to death.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats very true but some revisionist history is changing what we were taught.
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  magdielqrposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well it is a good thing someone has one or nobody would sacrifice as you say.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. Without followers, no one would sacrifice.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was that not the answer you was expecting?
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You assume I did not see it ?
  Do you assume I sit here and wait for your answers too ?
  
  You cannot say "Yes, grouped belief is always a bad thing."
  
  And follow it with "But, sometimes some must follow for sacrifice."
  
  Making an absolute statement cannot be followed by the word "BUT....."
  That is a contradiction.
  
  By your statements.
  A) following is bad = following to sacrifice is bad
  
  Without sacrifice, we would have no country, so sacrifice is good to follow.
  You will learn to sacrifice for your son I hope.
  
  One thing is for sure, you must sacrifice in order to learn real love.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are capable of learning. Some must sacrifice for the freedom for others to be individuals. They shouldn't have to sacrifice for an entire life as your bible request them to. Yes, without some to sacrifice/follow, there would be no one to do the individuals work.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You did not correct your statement the "following is always bad"
  
  "Yes, grouped belief is always a bad thing.".....unless it is for a sacrifice for the better?
  
  Again, you NEVER admit when you make a false statement.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I said that you are capable of learning. That was my admission. You can see my contradiction, but can't see the bibles? Grouped belief is bad unless it is sacrifice for one/ones you love. A belief should not be loved. A belief is not a person. Argue that enlightened one.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A person can have a belief.
  
  Or a way of life.
  
  A person can believe in a person too...like when a child believes in their father and mother.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And one day they grow up, and realize their parents where no perfect beings at all.
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  quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the parents were wise they would have made that clear to the child all along I think
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  religions don't explain the same for God. God has to be feared, wether you like it or not. He has no flaws, even you cansee a lot of them.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, even when the parents teach the child to have a racist belief. The child should love the racist belief they were raised with, right?
  
  Nothing is absolute.
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
Semper Fidelis: Always faithful

Love: Always faithful
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  manlypoetrymanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Love never fails...ever!
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  10-4
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
Yep
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yoshi97posted 14 years ago
or my personal favorite ...

A man alone on an island can rule over no one but himself ...
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I enjoy a discussion where well thought out beliefs have a hearing. ... and I don't mean mine.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Good answer Lady sensible even ,

Perfect Love casts out fear , but we dont live in perfection.

Tis a good target to strive for all the same
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My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years ago
One things is for sure. love has no fear.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
The word love does not equal love when it is repeated over and over!

It makes love equal insanity!
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fred henselposted 14 years ago
Fear is natural and everyone experiences it. It helps keep us alive.
The fear a combatant faces is also natural and it can drive you either of two ways, fight or flight. A MARine and his comrades in other services and first responders act in spite of their fear. TAhey channel their fear into positive action.
As a forme combat Marine, I say to all my brothers and sisters in uniform, Semper Fi!
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  My Friend Shiylohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Semper Fi=Always faithful
  Love=Always faithful
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Calm down. Marines don't like over aggressive love from other men.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Fred, Thank you for your time and service. Much appreciated. Well said, great thoughts. Semper Fi.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
I feel the love! I'm saved!
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
God is omnipresent and omniscient (sorry if spelled wrong) so yep guess hes all over , everywhere , all the time
quite scientific I reckon.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that absolute?
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LEFT HAND OF GODposted 14 years ago
I have noticed that when I love, I take action.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But it's not love that acts, it's you doing something because of it.
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  LEFT HAND OF GODposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is why I said " I " take action.
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Eric Graudinsposted 14 years ago
Hi Jewels,
Did you get the message I sent you a few days ago?
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