Physical types are people of passion, those who make love and war, those who eat, drink, and have fun. Sports people or actors who pay importance to their looks and body, who enjoy physical exercise and travel and dancing...

As opposed to spiritual types and intellectual types. It's basically food recommended for developing the mind, body and soul.
Maybe I should not have said lazy for tamassic; I should have said intellectual or passionless.


Onions probably increase the passions!

LOL Kenny, you keep showing me how far I am from understanding of Hinduism

I would never have thought about tamas being linked to intellectual, and intellectual and passionless are not in the same bucket for me either...

Well, time to do some serious reading then

I think it's best to balance all three 'gunas.'  That way we have our options open. We can be intellectual, passionate and physical, with out bias.
Then we can eat anything!

Hey, you forgot why I started this thread - I don't want to brush my teeth

If I have to become spiritual for this - so be it

Look what I found - quote from the archaeological report on Kennewick Man - this guy lived more than 10000 years ago and died at about 45-50. I bet he did not have a toothbrush! Look what they have to say about his teeth:

http://www.nps.gov/archeology/kennewick/powell_rose.htm wrote:

Thus, the amount of tooth wear did not exceed the teeth's capacity to cope. There are no caries or pulp inflammation. There does not appear to be any calculus build up on the teeth, although they have been cleaned and calculus deposits could have been removed. However, it is certain that if there were calculus that it was neither wide spread nor extensive. The left maxillary third molar shows a small trace of calculus deposit.

Certainly, I didn't mention the premolars. Sorry.

Quoting the article : Are humans vegetarians or omnivores?
...Molars are broad flat teeth that are useful in grinding up tough fibrous material - such as plants...
...Premolars are the primary teeth used by meat eating specialists...Humans have four pairs of premolars, which suggests that humans have the ability to process animal food...

When I chew a piece of apple or a meat, I don't really have idea if I am using the molars or the premolars. I believe that both.

I believe that molars and premolars make the same task, supplemented each other to crush. Molars and premolars are the same group of teeth in two levels.

I don't agree with the specialization of the premolars.

The hominid always had big molars and premolars, with a very thick enamel (very developed cheekbones) to chew hard vegetables, that were decreasing as it changed the texture of the foods (fruits) and didn't need so much effort to chew.

When he introduced meat to the diet, reduced the cheekbones, molars and premolars (with finer enamel), what gives us the pleasant aspect that we have nowadays.

P.S. I should insist, it is my opiñon, I am not developing a theory.

Kenny Wordsmith wrote:

We can be intellectual, passionate and physical, with out bias.
Then we can eat anything!

Except stones

I once had a very vivid dream in which Arjuna made me a tuna salad. I'm not sure why!

Yes, everything except stones!

Paraglider, we have so many variants of Hindu myths. There are some very interesting tribal versions of the Mahabharata and Ramayana. Over the years, the Brahmin version prevailed and was aggressively made popular.
In the tribal version, Arjuna would not only make tuna salads but enjoy them as well. The tribal Arjuna is no vegetarian!

Stefan,

Sure, we all putting our own opinions here, I don't think you need to re-iterate this. And I appreciate you trying to help me

Since I'm not an expert in dentition in any sense, I have to rely on someone's word and common sense. So far we have a tie - the guy I quoted and you have opposite opinions about the purpose of premolars. I tried to search more, but did not find any conclusive evidence to support either party yet, so this question is still open...

Thanks

And I want a tuna salad from Arjuna, too But will prefer hot lamb carry any time

Misha wrote:

Love your elephant idiom, Brother Kenny

My wife actually laughs at me saying I'm too lazy to brush my teeth, so I go to the dentist often for him to do the job for me

Let's me get this straight, though - do you think I don't have to brush my teeth if I stop eating processed food and switch to, say, sushi diet? Do you think it will benefit the rest of the body, too?

I think you will get more kisses if you just brush your teeth!!!!!LOL!  You are so funny Misha....

Glad to see you here, Debbie

Yep, I do brush my teeth when I'm in the mood to get a kiss or two

Hi Misha

I'm neither a specialist, only a curious man.

I don't question the truthfulness of the article (I don't have the authority to do it). I don't agree because the article doesn't mention evolution, it analyzes the human of nowadays, and that is not my point.

(pause)

Something interesting in the article about the carnivores:

...Also notice the nasty tartar on the teeth. This tartar, which is highly prevalent in commercial food-fed and cooked food-fed dogs, is absent in raw fed dogs....

If a carnivore eats raw meat, maintains clean its teeth.

(/pause)

Previously I said more or less this:

--- The human's dental structure suggests that was hervibore, later on change the diet and introduced, among others, meat. ---

I should recognize that I made a mistake, I said hervibore. I should say that he fed of fruits, insects, leaves and seeds. From this point of view, there is not doubt that he was omnivorous.

My point is : the human change his diet and he is adapting, when the adaptation finishes, he will no longer need to brushed his teeth.

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I believe that a final idea begins with an opiñon, possibly erroneous, that is refined in the debate. I will be pleased of being in an error (but I would prefer to be right )

Hi Stephen,

Yeah, I follow what you said, and I do understand that we are not talking about exact scientific terms here, but rather about whether humans were designed to eat both meat and plants or plants only.

I found one more interesting article (or rather lecture) on this here: http://ijolite.geology.uiuc.edu/02SprgC … ect20.html

I have some experimental data, confirmed by my dentist

Since I abandoned this thread, I took a habit of eating one whole apple first thing in the morning. No peeling, no cutting, just take the whole fresh apple, bite, and chew. I did not change any brushing/flossing habits.

On my regular cleaning recently, my dentist told me my teeth are much cleaner than they normally where on previous cleanings...

Something to think about, right?

There is the traditional saying - "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" ...

Jenny

Apples do clean teeth naturally to some extent - I thought everyone knew that!  However the acid can eat away at the enamel if you don't rinse your mouth out with water afterwards.

You base your claim that man used to live much longer on Biblical texts.  A great many people - even devout Christians - believe that the Bible (and the Old Testament in particular) is not an accurate history but a collection of originally true stories, embellished over time to educate and inspire the faithful.  So personally, I wouldn't be prepared to take life spans mentioned in the Bible as true.

Throughout ancient history, when people still followed a fairly natural, unprocessed diet, life was short.  You had to grow up quickly.  Alexander the Great was still in his teens when he started his great career. 

When I lived in Africa, in an area where many people still lived a traditional, unspoilt life, I was surprised to discover that 45 years old was regarded as positively ancient.

In Africa, tooth decay isn't a problem because most peole don't live long enough to outlive their teeth.

Jenny,

Yeah, but we don't have such a saying in Russian, so I had to re-invent the wheel

Marisa,

Yeah, I know both the criticism of biblical records and the facts that in primitive tribes people don't leave too long. Even medieval Europe does not really shine in life expectancy, sure.

Well, currently there are quite a few people living in their 80s and even 90s. I personally have a grandma and a step-grandma (not sure it's a correct term - a sister of my grandma) who both are in their 90s and still are more or less active. Look around, and you'll find quite a few people of this age. And vast majority of them lost all or almost all of their own teeth already. My parents in their 70s have almost no own teeth. I lost a half of them even before my 50s. Bridges, crowns, etc. I don't believe the teeth where designed to be a single point of failure to restrict the length of our lives

As for primitive tribes and other harsh conditions - I am not sure we were meant to live this way. I don't have a strong belief on this, but the hypotheses is initially we did not have to strive for food. Some kind of tropical garden with plenty of everything and nothing to defend from - yeah, Eden, you read it right But them we started to expand to the areas of our planet that were not designed for human living - hence the difficulties.

As for the biblical character's ages - I tend to think they still were much higher than we have now in developed countries, let alone Africa and such. If we assume Bible talks about people, not tribes, as fas as I remember there were several generations interacting, that would have required much longer life than we see in tribes now... May be not 800 or 900 years, but still hundred and up...

Kenny Wordsmith wrote:

Their teeth would have been okay. They hadn't invented chocolate or Coke then!

How does one live without chocolate? yes I'm a chocolate lover. But then I am one who takes her teeth in and out do to illness. Not that thats a  good thing either.

Misha wrote:

This question puzzles me for the last several years. As we were meant by our creator, how we were supposed to take care of our teeth? I don't believe the toothbrush was created at the same time we were. And I don't believe we were meant to lose our teeth by the age of 30-35 either.

All animals happily live without toothbrushes - how come we can't? Do we eat something we were not designed for? Does anybody have any idea about this?

Misha -what a wicked sense of humor.
We have very small canines and so should be basically vegetarian or plant eaters.
Apart from this God knows.
Poet Mohit.K.Misra

God definitely knows And I want to know, too

And no, it is not humor. You'll understand when you reach my age